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- FreakyD, on 10/10/2007, -6/+131He's lucky he didn't get tazered
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+82No t-shirts. Period. The kid and his father KNEW he was going to get in trouble for it. that is why he did it.
- brutalentropy, on 10/10/2007, -5/+66Whatever happened to "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to my death your right to say it"?
- Boshow, on 10/10/2007, -4/+61What part of the dresscode did he violate?
- DeathfireD, on 10/10/2007, -9/+56"Clearly, this violates his protected right to free speech"
I was always taught we had no rights when in school. There's a specific limit to where you have rights. For example protesting has to be approved by you city/town hall before hand. - PismoDuo, on 10/10/2007, -22/+61Why do people get outraged over things like this? The kid got busted because he broke the dress code.
When I was in high school, if you broke the dress code, you had a chance to change your clothes/ borrow something from the nurse to get through the day. If you refused, then you got a detention, or something. Typically the only time you see kids with suspensions is when they do it repeatedly and refuse to change each time. The fact that this kid is already considering a federal lawsuit against the school leads me to believe he probably was a jerk about it when school officials asked him to turn his shirt inside out, or to change it, or to not wear it again.
So really, it wasn't that he was wearing a John Edwards shirt, it was that he broke the rules, and very likely refused to cooperate with school administrators. - spookyttws, on 10/10/2007, -0/+33That's what I was wondering. I'm prone to suspect sensationalism. Is it a uniform only dress code? Maybe the shirt was overly baggy.
- yamyogurt, on 10/10/2007, -3/+33No more John Edwards shirts? Now he'll never get elected.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+26A lot of schools don't allow shirts that have ANY type of writing on them, must be *solid* colors.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+23NOT a violation of free speech, as school ress codes have already been held up in courts. He was suspended for violating the dress code, not for wearing a John EDwards t-shirt.
- andburn1, on 10/10/2007, -5/+24Are you ***** joking me right now? This story is OBVIOUSLY sensationalist, because dress code is clearly within a school's right. If they can demonstrate that this rule applied before he walked in that door, then the suspension is completely valid. The blog entry said nothing about the rule he was supposedly violating.
- Marc39, on 10/10/2007, -0/+18I used to feel the same way until I got in a serious auto accident and the guy who ran me over and his and MY insurance company tried to screw me over.
- cheviot, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18Sigh. This has been done before and the student lost. The school bans all t-shirts. All students are required to wear polo shirts. Student wears political/religious t-shirt and gets sent home. Perfectly legal.
Sometimes the school allows t-shirts but none with any message on them. As the school doesn't discriminate based on the message they're still in the clear.
This complaint, much like the christian girl with the religious t-shirt, is going nowhere. - Tangaroa, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18Read up on the black armbands case. I forget the name, but in the late 1960s or early 1970s the Supreme Court rules that schools could not forbid students from wearing armbands to protest the Vietnam War.
This echoes the college campus free speech movement of the 1950s-1960s. The core question is not whether the T-shirt violated the rules, but whether the rules respect students' right to free speech. There is not enough information to tell from the little snippet of an article in the link. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16People realized their ideas got a lot farther when they changed it to "You don't have the right to say anything if you don't agree with me."
- Zarokima, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16We're still being taught that. Everyone has rights so long as they've been pre-approved by the people in charge before you exercise them.
When the ***** are people going to learn that free speech means protecting what you find offensive and not just what you like? - whatthefu, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Just imagine what they would've done to him if he wore a Hillary shirt.
- Mimorox, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14I know at my school any graphics, images, logos, etc larger than the size of a thumb were banned. No nike logos, no words, no amzingly witty shirts from hot topic. If his school had a dress code like this, then this makes lots of sense.
- fuzzmeister, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12You don't get how digg works. If people bury the story, the story takes far more diggs to get to the front page than a story that hasn't been buried by that many users. If a large enough percentage of people bury it (as opposed to digging it), it disappears entirely. So yes, it may be "censorship", but its "censorship" by the users, and since users control digg, that is really the whole point, and is not bad in any way. Also, your comments were not deleted, its just a crappy comment system that doesn't save comments properly.
- 30thElement, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11Why not simply use the reply button?
- jdh24, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10You're making the situation worse. I support Ron Paul, but you're just a whiner. Shut up. Also, off topic. Go away. kthx.
- andburn1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10It is wholly within a schools right to ban political statements on clothing. However, they cannot be selective about which statements they ban. There is not enough information to make a judgement.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8It's Tinker v. Des Moines. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_v._Des_Moines_ ...
A student's civil rights do not disappear when they enter the schoolyard gate... - MattB123, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8As long as all political shirts are banned I'm not too bothered by this. Since she didn't mention it I bet that's the case. Whether I or she or anyone thinks that sucks, the school has a right to enforce a dress code.
- ward42, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7I hope none of you are surprised to find out high school students don't have real rights. They are subject to unlawful searches at the discretion of school administrators, cannot wear certain kinds of clothing, cannot have a slovenly appearance, etc. This isn't news.
Also, am I the only one bothered by a high school kid considered a "supporter" of a political candidate? But hey, I'm sure his parents gave him both sides of the story...
It's indoctrination, plain and simple. And considering the secular leanings of digg nation, there'd be a lot less people who cared about this story if this were the case of an indoctrinated Christian kid not allowed to be a Jesus freak at school. - gmprunner, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Logic hath no place on Digg, heretic.
- Phyltre, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Actually, yes, that specific school. (Unless you can afford paying thousands a year for private.) At least, that's how the laws are in my local area and I can only assume it is the same in other places.
- TheWorm, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Because kids don't have the ability to think for themselves and form their own political oppinions.
- FatShady, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Maybe next time he should wear a "My parents are retarded attention whores!" t-shirt.
- 80hd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6A school decided they don't want to be a venue for political advertisements. Big effin deal
It's their right. Admins can create any sort of rules so long as they justify them with a demonstratable intent to best promote an atmosphere of learning. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I wore a John Edwards T-Shirt to school and all I got was this lousy suspension.
- IMustBeEmo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7DeathfireD, by your comment I am reminded of the "arrested in Circuit City" ordeal. This is what Michael Righi wrote about choosing whether to just let it go or to fight on.
"I am interested in living my life on strong principles and standing up for my rights as a consumer, a U.S. citizen and a human being. Allowing stores to inspect our bags at will might seem like a trivial matter, but it creates an atmosphere of obedience which is a dangerous thing. Allowing police officers to see our papers at will might seem like a trivial matter, but it creates a fear-of-authority atmosphere which can be all too easily abused."
It's the same principle here. He could have changed his t-shirt, or he could have had his free speech removed. - xadhominemx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5And some schools restrict color on top of that.
- rspeed, on 10/10/2007, -5/+10"Clearly, this violates his protected right to free speech, and is the subject of a federal suit that he anticipates filing within the week, should the situation not be resolved to our satisfaction."
I'm surprised you have any doubt that it's sensationalist. This is just some uppity parent looking to get their 15 minutes by leaving out pretty much all the details. Five bucks says the kid was suspended for doing something after being told he was violating the dress code. They're not going to suspend a kid for a dress code violation. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -9/+14If it's against the dress code, it's against the dress code. Why do people always have to test the limits. Some rules are ridiculous, if you don't want to follow them... go somewhere else. No one forces this kid to go to that school.
- cbuddha42, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6At the very least I'm guessing the school bans political shirts becuase they know they will cause issues and they want the kids to be able to focus on learning. I'm sure they would prevent you from wearing a shirt with any message likely to cause issues among peers or teachers.
- IMustBeEmo, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7Err, actually the law forces you to go to school.
- Qposter, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5How can you get sick of a guy that says he will abolish the IRS? I have paid over 200k in income taxes. So the government. Has stolen a house from me. No they never needed the Federal Reserve. They never needed income tax. It is all a pure sham. Yes I still pay income tax. I am 41 so in another 20 years it will cost me another 150k. Is any other candidate saying they will fix anything?
- ricree, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4That isn't necessarily true. There's a lot we still need to know about the situation before we can hope to make any kind of judgment. For example, we don't know what the exact rule was, we don't know anything about how uniformly it is enforced, and we have no idea what sort of warning this kid got before received a suspension (although it was only an in school suspension, this does definitely seem a little harsh for a minor dress code violation).
- josell, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4buried because i had to go somewhere else to get your joke.
- synaesthesia, on 10/10/2007, -2/+61. Snot-nosed kid wears shirt depicting support for their politician, religion or political view of choice.
2. Administration punishes kid for disobeying rules which prohibit shirts with any such message, not because of anything against the specific politician/religion/opinion but because rules are rules.
3. Kid/Parents post online in an attempt to make it seem as if believers/supporters/followers are under fire and this is only one symptom of their nationwide oppression.
4. ????
5. Profit (fame, acclaim and interviews galore!) - jessehadden, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Lots of people are taught that they don't have rights, for lots of reasons. It's always a lie. Rights are like your eyes and your ears -- you're born with them. They can't be granted or taken away by anyone else -- and if someone tries to, the degree to which you resist is the degree to which you are free. (I'm paraphrasing Utah Phillips there.) Unfortunately, the blatant "authoritarianism over individuality" indoctrination that we have confused for a national education system is churning out generations of increasingly docile Americans. If you can leave your rights at the school door, and at the corporate workplace door, then you can (and likely will) leave your rights anywhere.
- draebor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Here's the deal... if the school has a policy banning all t-shirts and the boy willingly broke that rule, then expulsion shouldn't be an unexpected consequence. If, on the other hand, the school is choosing to single out t-shirts with certain subjects then they're on a slippery slope. Would a student be suspended for wearing a shirt that said "I love Jesus", for example? Personally I'm unaffiliated with any religion or political party, but I respect the rights of individuals to express their opinions as long as they don't infringe on mine.
- mrkmrk, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5The fact that the rule makes little sense means nothing to you?
- IMustBeEmo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3There are 2 situations here, one is that the student attends public high school. Then the law forces him to go to THAT school, there are ways around these like zone variances but these are only given so students can attend things like Magnet schools. This student would not be eligible for a zone variance. Or two, he attends private school and all that I said doesn't matter. But chances are he attends public school.
- boonesfarm, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Narks? Come on. It's not "pro-establishment" for some schools to implement a dress code. They can be used to keep profane shirts out of the classroom, remove the sexual distraction of a halter top two sizes too small, and lessen the materialistic oneupsmanship of today's spoiled youth. If you don't care who you piss off, you're in luck when you become an adult. At 18 you can, for the most part, piss off as many people as you like. Then, you can be the proverbial liberal, and wear your feelings on your sleeve. To clarify, Edwards shirts aren't patently offensive, not even in Texas.
If your individualism is stiffed by a dress code, what does that say about your character? Clothes do not make the man. - Bartboy919, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3So, What you are saying is that to be fair/better for the country, a person like Dick Cheny should pay the same amount of taxes as Someone living on Minimum wage? That sound reasonable
- Lax32, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Saying that a school cant punish your kid for violating the dresscode because you have a first amendment right is like saying a restaurant cant throw you out for walking around yelling about how you hate jews because you have a first amendment right.
People who actually think the first amendment right exists in high schools apparently weren't paying too much attention in school. - f0rr3st, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Because high school kids are known for their ability to hold an enlightened discussion without fisticuffs?
- bratpack8, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3As long as the dress code is enforced consistently, then what's the issue. A private school has strict dress codes, as it is their right to do so (i.e. property rights). This sounds like total sensationalism.
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