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- MrDNA, on 05/11/2009, -12/+367This article is 5 years old. Not that it makes it any less disturbing if true, but it seems worth pointing out.
- badlogik, on 05/11/2009, -31/+187Buried for no reliable sources. Sorry, as much as I hate the previous administration, some guy telling you things about a video that he may or may not have seen is not exactly someone I'd trust.
- inactive, on 05/11/2009, -82/+216Looks like the USA has been borrowing things from the IDF playbook. This is disgusting!
- inactive, on 05/11/2009, -24/+127Hey look, RBPCP is defending them. This means that RBPCP supports child rape. Great job there RBPCP.
- ApokalypseNow, on 05/11/2009, -19/+96The NWO? You blind fool - that's just what the Bavarian Illuminati wants you to think, through their lapdogs at the Trilateral Commission. That's why they had Marilyn Munroe and Princess Diana killed - they had found out the true, sinister purpose of aglets and were about to tell the world and shed light on the *real* conspiracy.
And just wait till you find out about the ancient Roman order that has turned into the modern-day Gay Mafia... beware the Mauve Hand, and don't you dare tell them that those pistols make their asses look big!
I have to go now, I hear black helicopters! They're afte%&`+'${`%&NO CARRIER - dshPls, on 05/11/2009, -14/+78A rare picture of the NWO: http://tinyurl.com/d9vmv7
- mithrasinvictus, on 05/11/2009, -8/+62As long as the government refuses to investigate the (alleged) torture and won´t publish all the records, some guy telling you things is all you get.
- sheasie, on 05/11/2009, -33/+86Cheney.
- JoeMondo, on 05/11/2009, -15/+64First the Repubs will say "It never happened".
Then when it is verified they'll say "It was just a few bad apples".
Then when it turns out it was directed by Bushco they'll say "It was necessary. And besides, it's not that bad anyway." - bjornski, on 05/11/2009, -4/+51Oh c'mon, raping those children made America safer.
/s for the impaired. - catbeller, on 05/11/2009, -8/+55Yes. They were raped over five years ago. Hersh pointed it out years ago. Now, did YOU hear about it then? No? Then it's news. Especially with the giant memory hole machine that Americans have switched on.
- presidentraygun, on 05/11/2009, -60/+102Somewhere wingnuts are reading this and masturbating to "Proud to be an American" by Lee Greenwood.
- sprNmgcHlmt, on 05/11/2009, -31/+62with george bush as president you know what America has to be proud of?
not a goddamn thing.
and if there were any justice, a hell of alot of people would, at the minimum, be in jail.
but since this is america, where money makes the rules........don't count on it. - catbeller, on 05/11/2009, -5/+35Hersh isn't a clown. He was on Cheney's ***** list during the Nixon administration for his work in uncovering the president's men. He's earned and re-earned trust in his reporting, especially during the last eight years when he covered the war and the torture regime when no one else did.
At this point, knowing what you know, such as the fact that innumerable tapes have been destroyed, that torture was in fact committed daily at AG, Gitmo, and former Soviet torture prisons by our contractors, the nod goes to Hersh instead of those destroying the evidence. You are 'Rathering' Hersh, concentrating on a tiny piece of the story when you know all the facts point to its truth, insisting that every point be nailed down, or ipso facto the other facts don't exist. - kemp34, on 05/11/2009, -21/+50Remove your head from the sand.
- jnisme, on 05/11/2009, -8/+36I found the article rather hard to follow clearly, but as I read it, it says that it was an Iraqi translator who did this, not US forces.
- Scrappy1850, on 05/11/2009, -26/+53in before pedobear... wow, that phrase looks creepy when i read it.
- rotundo, on 05/11/2009, -5/+32No surprise at all that this happened. It's been documented over and over and over throughout history and in many controlled studies. Once you start treating people as less than human (imprisonment without trial and torture are a good start), it is only a short time before greater depravity sets in.
Of course we have to remember it is only a small minority of Americans who engaged in this, but there's _always_ people who will sink to these depths once you've given them the go ahead to think of someone as less than human.
Can the people who want to justify torture please accept this fact and get back in the bus with the rest of the civilized world? - MistySteele, on 05/11/2009, -4/+30Exactly. Did I miss the connection to some recent event? Where is this documented?
- andrew9406, on 05/11/2009, -3/+28Hulk Hogan's grandfather Prescott Hogan even tried to overthrow the U.S. government back in the 30's.
- goot776, on 05/11/2009, -19/+44**TO ALL DIGGERS: THIS ARTICLE IS FIVE YEARS OLD.**
Something to keep in mind. - shanealeslie, on 05/11/2009, -8/+32RUN! RUN! I'll meet you at the rendezvous point - I'll bring the lattes, you get the biscotti!
- inactive, on 05/11/2009, -17/+41There's a number of other articles implying these things, but no further evidence was ever released. I wonder why.. hmm, could it be a cover up?
God damn america is great.
there's also two other diggs about this. But like everything in this country, the mainstream media ignores it so no one even knows. They're too busy obsessing over gay marriage, and how it's destroying our 65% divorce rate. - Chode2235, on 05/11/2009, -4/+28Plus the guy is Seymour Hersh. After the crap he has broken, he has earned a little credibility.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh - rchargel, on 05/11/2009, -6/+30As a leftist nut job myself, I have to agree. Prove it or STFU. If you're going to accuse someone of the absolutely horrific details that Hersh describes, you'd better have some damn good proof. I'm not saying it didn't happen in possibly isolated incidents, but in the scale he says, I seriously doubt it.
- UberNick, on 05/11/2009, -19/+43I give it about a week before Fox News and my right-wing Christian friends vehemently defend forced sodomy on children. Then talk about how it's good for America and that liberals are unamerican sissies for condemning it... then call them hypocrites because, somehow, Clinton did it first.
- funkyloki, on 05/11/2009, -12/+34Than you very much. It's all hearsay till someone actually produces the tape,
- bking7698, on 05/11/2009, -6/+28This sheds some light on the recent letter from Sen.'s Lieberman and Graham begging the Prez not to release any more info on Abu Ghraib - wonder what they know?
- VitriolAndAngst, on 05/11/2009, -5/+26Wait!
The idea that being shocked at the Crimes committed by the fricken' BUSH ADMINISTRATION, is somehow hating America and the troops is also 5 fricken' years old.
All crimes happen in the past, so we might as well move on, right?
What's the statute of limitations on being an idiot? If you are just as stupid today as 5 years ago, should we be listening to you? NeoConBlues wants something done about it, because these same jerk-offs have never seen an investigation, and BushCo pundits and loyalists going to come back and be listened to, because we have not yet run out of idiots. - ChuyMatt, on 05/11/2009, -6/+26It will be taken that it was an extension of the US power given to the translator. A=B, B=C then A=C.
- mithrasinvictus, on 05/11/2009, -4/+24@shwavay What has already come out is enough to prompt an investigation. If you believe there was no wrongdoing, an investigation will put an end to rumours like this.
- MOJIRA, on 05/11/2009, -7/+27Pedobear has no place in articles where real children may have been really abused.
At any rate, why the ***** is this being posted when it's 5 years old? - MWeather, on 05/11/2009, -5/+24Child rape has no statute of limitations.
- lhbaker, on 05/11/2009, -3/+20Yeah, Seymour Hersh, nut job. Also a Pulitzer prize winner, and is the they guy who uncovered the Mai Lai massacre in Vietnam. Also, he has won Pollk Awards (for journalistic integrity).
- greendalek, on 05/11/2009, -11/+28Horrifying (and yes, evil) news, and I dare anyone to feign surprise if it does become verifiable fact, but let's HOLD ON before we all jump aboard the outrage bandwagon with this one, huh? Really do need to see something a little more substantive than something reported thirdhand in a blog about a video about something overheard by someone else.
- dreamstretch, on 05/11/2009, -0/+17What would be sufficient moral justification for torturing young children?
- downneck, on 05/11/2009, -0/+17every culpable person involved needs to be investigated and brought to swift merciless justice or we're ***** worthless as a society.
- buckrogers1965, on 05/11/2009, -4/+21Read up on Hersh, look at the history of every story he has ever broke.
At first the government always denies it.
In the end every single thing Hersh has ever said has proven to be a fact.
Every time the government has lied and denied the allegations and every single time they have been proven to be liars. - DouglasQ, on 05/11/2009, -6/+22No dude. No.
- rmxz, on 05/11/2009, -4/+20The reason it's relevant now is that 5 years ago the only people who believed it (or weren't to scared of the bush administration to say they did) were considered conspiracy theory crackpots.
With
1. the new administration, and
2 years more supporting evidence that makes these claims more believable and most importantly
3. current discussions of whether torturers should be prosecuted
to the average citizen it's an appropriate time for these issues to be re-opened. - rchargel, on 05/11/2009, -3/+19It's just as stupid to believe that your country does nothing but good, as it is to believe that your country does nothing but evil. There is more than enough documented proof (including the government readily admitting to it publicly) that links the US government to friendly military coups (that would become guilty of mass murder in the hundreds of thousands) in democratic countries in Latin America, not to mention illegally testing drugs on US citizens, allowing a group of African Americans to die from syphilis (just to see what it does), flooding black neighborhoods with drugs to stifle the civil rights movement, etc. All of these things happened (as recently as 2002 in Venezuela, though in that case the US and Chile just backed the coup, they didn't actually provide logistical support, which is probably why it failed). Nor is the US government all bad. The US has played a leading role in the establishment of AIDS prevention and treatment programs around the globe, as one example of many. In general the American people mean well, but their government is too short-sighted. They were worried about a growing democratic socialist movement in Latin America, so they funded fascist coups and death squads (that sort of ***** creates major blow-back). They were worried about the Soviets in the Middle East, so they created the Taliban and the Mujaheddin (we know how well that worked out). It's not like the US is the first country to play these games, nor will it be the last. Every state that feels itself powerful at least toys with the development of an empire. Whether it's the Athens, Persia, Macedonia, Rome, Egypt, France, Spain, United Kingdom, USSR, or the United States.
- rchargel, on 05/11/2009, -3/+19The golden rule (He who has the gold, makes the rules), applies everywhere. Not just in the USA.
- Residents, on 05/11/2009, -3/+19I can't imagine how that would ***** you up in the head. Possibly for your whole life too. That's so wrong, how could you live with yourself if you did that to a kid!
- MisterRik, on 05/11/2009, -0/+16You've yet to provide an analogy that makes sense and has a practical real life application
Would it be right for the doctor to inflict the pain on the child, so that the others might live?
If your argument holds, then it would be right for a doctor, faced with 5 children who require a heart, lung, kidney, kidney and liver transplant respectively, to kill a healthy child for the transplant organs. - ebbv, on 05/11/2009, -20/+35THIS ARTICLE IS FROM 2004.
- inactive, on 05/11/2009, -1/+16... capable of making Darth Sidious look like a kind nun?
- rchargel, on 05/11/2009, -1/+16This is where we disagree. I don't believe it's the little guy on the ground that should be punished for what his superiors engendered.
- catbeller, on 05/11/2009, -6/+21Because you all ignored it then, so it's news now.
- inactive, on 05/11/2009, -10/+25The article is only 5 years old. I'm sure the Dems are real close to actually providing proof instead of just lame accusations.
- inactive, on 05/11/2009, -9/+24wow, what a bunch of sickies. they've officially sunk to IDF level.
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