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- mstnpb, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26seems to be the official line of the republican party: "someone else gave me bad information. it wasn't my fault."
- totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18So when Hastert said "the buck stops here' he meant "with some low level staffers"?
- warox, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Deny, deny, deny: it's the official line of politicians who are about to get burned. This year, its the Republicans. After 15 years of power, it'll be the Democrats again. I suppose it's wishful thinking that we'll ever have an honest politician.
- NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Is it just me or does this just strengthen the argument that HE should resign?
- deanlowe, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Even though I'm part of the "party of personal responsibility" nothing is ever my fault.
- iiftmlis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9The blame for sexually preying on minors falls on Foley.
The blame for doing nothing about it for a couple of years falls on the GOP leadership. - glaive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Yeah, but think about what that means about the efficiency of the Republican party! They were corrupted in only 8!
- iiftmlis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6William,
You say the Democratic list is soooo long and then you give an example limited to the city of Chicago and gerrymandering which you admit is not a particularly Democratic problem.
Don't fool yourself into thinking you've supported your assertion.
I agree there are individually corrupt politicians of both parties but I don't know that the degree to which corruption has become embedded in the GOP as part of their culture has ever been matched in the Dem culture. At least not in my lifetime.
I think cjazz's question still stands. - shoelace414, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10You people have to stop painting Democrats with the Republican scandals. "everyone is corrupt", not true, and right now it's the LEADERSHIP of the Republican party that is corrupt.
- dgaspard, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@ Diabolickungfu.You know I agree. But in all fairness, that's the official answer from the Democrats as well.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7actually the pundents are still trying to pin this entire thing as a democratic october surprise stunt.
I still am not sure if they really expect people to be more upset at the dems than a pedophile..
or maybe the dems just kept the pages greased up to temp foley..
EH these guys are really shooting themselves in the foot...
I think the dems would be wise to sit quietly on the sidelines while this plays out.
But i have never known the dems to be wise. Fortunately for them, i dont think they can out screw up the GOP on this one. - jaythree9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@iiftmlis
dugg for use of the word gerrymandering! a word for our times. - AMCer, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9You guys are amazing.... The majority of the posts are "how the Republicans are corrupt and lie"... amazing!
BOTH PARTIES are CORRUPT and they BOTH LIE!
Wake up idiots. - dangerweasel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Scooter" Libby, anyone?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+13He's a Republican. Does anyone honestly expect him to tell the truth, or accept blame for anything? The official Republican answer to any sort of negative situation is: lie about it and blame it on the Democrats. It's a good way to gauge their guilt. If they try to blame a Democrat (or an underling) for something, it's obvious that they're guilty.
- deesnutz, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10What happened to taking responsibility?
I thought the Republicans always griped to
Democrats about having responsibility.
But I guess it doesn't appy to them.
Republicans are so full of it.
It's getting beyond pathetic.
If you vote Republican, you might as well tattoo the word "idiot" to your forehead.
Here was a copy of Foley's campaign poster before he resigned. Ironic, isn't it?
http://www.democratgiftshop.com/cgi-bin/store/store.cgi/571511948/thewhitehouse/1941082 - jjtechno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Labor , woman's rights, fair taxation, the working poor, single payer healthcare. If any of these concern you, vote green. Maitain the satus quo, republicrat or demoplican is just more of the same.
- johnnyrocket, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Man, another cop out. Just spread the crap all around so everyone 'smells'. Let's review shall we:
Ken Lay & Co. - Enron debacle ( in bed with Bush/Cheney)
Jack Abramoff - Pled Guilty
Claude Allen- Arrested for Theft - Pled Guilty
Richard A. Berglund - Pled Guilty
Gus Boulis - Murder Trio - Indicted
Ed Buckham - Named by Prosecutors as Unindicted Coconspirator
John Colyandro - Indicted
Duke Cunningham - Pled Guilty
Tom DeLay - Indicted
Brian J. Doyle - Pleads No Contest
Jim Ellis - Indicted
Robert Fromm - Named by Prosecutors as Unindicted Coconspirator
Shaun Hansen - Indicted
Scooter Libby - Indicted
Chuck McGee - Pled Guilty
Bob Ney - Pleaded Guilty
David Safavian - Convicted
Michael Scanlon - Pled Guilty
Roger Stillwell – Pled Guilty
James Tobin - Found Guilty on Two Counts
There's plenty more, still waiting for them to nail the kingpin Bush. - Fastfwd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I’m tickled to see what sort of domino effect burning these underlings might hatch.
- repins, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8The person to blame for the "Mark Foley scandal" is Mark Foley
- ichbinladen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@Jagdhund
haha nice try. - cjazz108, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8Not at all trying to start a flame, but honestly want to know...
When were the democrats corrupt? Clinton got frisky. Traficant was an idiot and yes he was corrupt, but I'm still not sure where the large scale corruption was. Again, I'm not saying it was or wasn't there, but I don't remember dem's on the take, dem's covering up other dem's with major issues, dem's ever being accused of rigging voting machines, or dem's redistricting to make their districts "safe". It's wholly possible I'm missing a bit though.
I would just like some info. I hear lots about how "everyone" was corrupt, and I just don't remember it that way.
(Thanks... I will now sit back and await the ***** storm.) - kingygk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The Democrats knew about this in May.
http://www.harpers.org/sb-republicans-1160492797.html - amoirae, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Without a doubt. That bloated gas bag needs to be deflated.
- iiftmlis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Compare the corruption of the two parties going into this election. I think there's a clear corruption king.
"Both parties are corrupt" is just a bed for you cowards to hide under. - andrewrama, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2There should be a Republican Lie Gauge:
Blame it on Clinton: President Bush and Congress has failed to respond to something or just plain ignored the warning signs
Blame it on Immigration: Congress and the President has neglected the economy by lining their own pockets and now repercussions are starting to blossom.
Blame it on Democrats: Code red! Caught with our hand in the cookie jar.
Blame it on my Staff: My entire party is in trouble. I'm in danger of losing everything.
* a rarity * Blame it on China: We should have never called N. Korea an axis of evil or stopped talks midway through 2004, in attempts at broadening the scoop of Iraq as a legitimate war. - chownrus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Jaghund
>The phrase means that the corruptions stops before him, not with him.
>At least that's how Teddy used it.
Teddy? The phrase was made famous by Harry S. Truman, and referred to his refusal to "pass the buck" a.k.a. blame someone else.
"You know, it's easy for the Monday morning quarterback to say what the coach should have done, after the game is over. But when the decision is up before you -- and on my desk I have a motto which says The Buck Stops Here' -- the decision has to be made." ~Harry S. Truman - WilliamTanksley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I agree with you, but the Libertarians would have the same problem as the Republicans, and for the same reason: both have a strong branch of the party that believes that Government is an evil that must be controlled. Bring either one into power in the government, and they MUST compromise that principle, or rule ineffectively.
- WilliamTanksley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I didn't say the Democratic list was SOOO long. I contradicted the original poster's claim that the Democratic party wasn't guilty of the corruption that the Republican party is.
My contradiction stands as a counterexample. Even if it got dug down (why? If the original claim was a good question, my answer was also good).
Oh -- I admit that I did claim that the list for the Dems was longer. That claim would take a LONG time to prove by example, obviously. I think any fair-minded person who can look at history will see that corruption, like every evil, isn't specific to a single party; so the party that's been around the longest will have the longest list of abuses of power (assuming that both parties have actually HAD power, but in this case both have). As Solzhenitsyn wrote, "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties, either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts."
I don't think the Republicans are good or evil, nor the Democrats. I think anyone who DOES is a partisan idiot, and is allowing themselves to be led by the nose by people with ulterior motives. Because that's what it's about -- people. Find the people, not the parties. More importantly, find the ones that have crossed Solzhenitsyn's line. - Perjorative, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You know why there aren't many Republican librarians?
Librarians don't like bent-over pages. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0and the Republicans knew about it in 2000. What's your point?
- stanleypane, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4I just love how sh*t always rolls downhill.
Isn't he responsible for his staff in some manner? I assume he oversees their work as a whole. If his staff isn't performing to his liking, shouldn't the responsibilty start with him?
What this says to me is that Hastert wasn't doing his job to begin with.
I can't tell you how many mismanaged companies I've seen with this same attitude. Responsiblity starts at the top and works it's way down. If he can't claim responsibility for this matter, then why should his staff? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2They often blame the staff, Bush said he didnt know crapo about katrina and blamed Micheal brown, even though there is proof micheal brown was telling bush that the ***** had hit the fan down there... yeah this is inbetweeen the emails of him asking what he should wear...
The plame thing was just rove forgetting to tell the president he was involved(yeah i know he wasnt busted but he was involved and bush did say NONE OF HIS STAFF WAS INVOLVED)
It is standard practice to blame the help for not bringing this to yoru attention.
ALso notice the admin claims to never read any report that reports bad things on the admin.. there favorite line when asked to reply to charges is that "they havent read that yet" - sethj, on 10/12/2007, -12/+10Republican or Democrat it doesn't matter - they're all the same.
I think Richard Pryor had it right: "Vote None of the Above." - deanlowe, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Not according to those sunday morning talking heads.
- loquito, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Aaahh..... nothing like a liberal propaganda website to bring us the truth. Vote libertarian people and lets get out of this idiotic two party system. It's not the best, but we have to start somewhere.
- WilliamTanksley, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2You can't possibly be serious. The list of Democratic corruptions is longer than the list of Republican corruptions (hint: the Democrats are the older party, and so have had longer to build the list :-).
The Democrats ran the city of Chicago as their own personal machine. Gerrymandering (redistricting) is ancient, not started by dems nor run to new heights by them, but constantly practiced by all politicians in power. Including Dems.
Every point on your list is just plain wrong. You really need to study history. You won't wind up voting Republican if you do; don't worry. History isn't pretty to either party. But your claims are just SILLY. - jjtechno, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3Mr.Speaker says," Blah, Blah, Blah". One more circus act, who wants to hang onto his power. Warox@ is correct, the democraps will be at it in due course. All the more reason to vote green.
- Jagdhund, on 10/12/2007, -15/+3The phrase means that the corruptions stops before him, not with him. At least that's how Teddy used it.
Uh... Hastart sucks... yeah that should keep me from being modded down for my statement.
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