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- inactive, on 07/01/2008, -1/+32This is exactly why the Iraqis oppose the SOFA so vehemently: in the original proposal US troops were going to get immunity from prosecution by Iraqi Law. It is perfectly clear to the Iraqis they already have immunity from US Law and this is more proof.
- inactive, on 07/01/2008, -1/+27Terrorism is acceptable as long as it is Americans performing the terrorism.
- hamobu, on 07/01/2008, -1/+26This is horrible! We need to tone down "support the troops" rhetoric in this country. Troops are not sacred. We need to criticize the troops.
- bwisok, on 07/01/2008, -1/+26I guess nobody massacred anyone, eh? bw
- spongya77, on 07/01/2008, -1/+19I guess Nuremberg only applies to the losing side. I hope those bastards will burn in hell.
- MH94, on 07/01/2008, -1/+18What double standards!!!
- Truzseeker, on 07/01/2008, -1/+17Remember when these marines return to Amerika and join "law enforcement" they won't hesitate to crush your head, taser or just shoot your ass.
- Fallout911, on 07/01/2008, -3/+18But...these Naz....uh Americans are heroes!
- commernie, on 07/01/2008, -1/+15Terrorism is acceptable as long as it is American police or military officers performing the terrorism.
There, fixed it. - inactive, on 07/01/2008, -1/+9If there is no law enforcement, people tend to think that there is no law and will begin to act like there is no law. So that might make things very ticklish for Bush, Cheney and McCain. The could be perceived as targets of interest by some.
- inactive, on 07/01/2008, -1/+9We will all suffer dearly for what our government has done. I am convinced that American life as we know it is very soon to be history.
- flavioribeiro, on 07/01/2008, -1/+7Blackwater can do it too.
- commernie, on 07/01/2008, -1/+7There is plenty of fire in hell for both the soldiers and their superiors.
- BishkekBuddy, on 07/01/2008, -1/+5I hope their SUPERIORS (all the way to the top) burn in hell....
- inactive, on 07/01/2008, -0/+3Yea, it's a big training mission. The filter will be that only the 'puppychunkers' gravitate towards it (and are accepted) to feed their newly aquired and nurtured sick tastes.
- toddcat, on 07/05/2008, -0/+1Ah...so we know the US soldiers are innocent. Apparently the war was justified. Good to know. end snark What a big dump on the families of those killed. On behalf of many Americans, citizens of Iraq, I apologize for our invasion and crimes you have suffered at our hands.
- angeladtao, on 07/02/2008, -1/+1I already feel nostalgia for the America I used to know. I am a retired military officer and was always proud to wear the American flag on
my uniform. I saw Bush coming a mile away and went into virtual mourning after the robber, uhhh... election. I never believed there were
WMD in Iraq. When the Bushies started the invasion into Iraq, I once again retreated into my "safe place" to recover from the shock. I have watched everything they have done with suspicion and mounting horror. I have friends all over the world who were initially hesitant to mention anything about the war to me. I soon put their fears to rest on that score. I want all the Bushies, including his lawyer enablers, tried for war crimes. As for the troops, I can make no excuse for this horrible massacre other than I have been told by returning soldiers incredible tales of orders that come down the chain of command that don't follow any kind of decent rules of engagement. What happened here, I don't know. I do know that that is the story behind some of the horror stories you hear. These kids are told to kill any person who moves - including any kids present. Our troops are suffering massively in this fiasco. They are caught in this dilemma of following orders and not wanting to do so. PTSD is a wide spread problem for our troops. No, that doesn't excuse every crime that a soldier commits. Part of the problem, too, is the military's need to lower recruitment standards to fill its ranks. Not many people want to join when they know that it is almost a certainty that they will be sent to Iraq multiple times. Consequently, the military is now accepting kids without high school degrees, with drug issues, with some types of psychiatric issues, and with some types of FELONIES!. I'm sorry to yell, but it makes my blood boil that they have done this. Even if the felonies these criminals were convicted of were not murder or rape or something like that, I believe that a sociopath in an environment like Iraq where there a few restraints on behavior will commit
worse crimes that he would in a structured society undisturbed by war. These troops deserve to be tried and punished for their crimes. If you check into it, you will find that military lawyers and judges who are military officers, too, have been subjected to pressure from above to go against their own best judgments and interpretations of military law. Leaks about it are starting to come out. I don't know if that is the case here, but I am suspicious. As for criticizing our troops instead of supporting them, you are putting blame in the wrong place. As was true in the horrible situation in Abu Graid, only the very lowest rank soldiers were punished. Those of us who have been associated with the military in the officer ranks for years know the game. These kids didn't decide to do those things on their own. They were told to do them. They didn't have to enjoy it so much, but they didn't initiate them. That's the way it is in the military. Now, evidence has come out connecting Rummie directly to this episode. Shocked? Well, mercy me!
Since I retired, I spend my time as an advocate for our troops. The public really has no idea of what they are going through. Bushie makes a big show of "We Support the Troops", but he and the Reptiles fight any effort to improve their situation. They want money for guns - not people. It took an outside expose to get something done about the horrible state of Walter Reed and the VA. I live outside
the gates of the other medical center that receives the wounded from these wars, and I volunteer there. My husband lost a nephew
in Iraq in 2006. My Godson was terribly injured in an IED blast over a year ago. I follow their unit and talk to their families. The stories
of how these men are suffering are heartrending. The Army is not helping. They don't get a fair shake in the system for rating their injuries which determines their disability pay when they are discharged from the military. A friend of mine has organized a free legal clinic to represent these guys in the system. A friend of a friend of mine is trying to do the same here. My best friend's husband is
organizing a conference regarding PTSD, TBI, and similar issues for the private sector since the DoD isn't stepping up to the plate. The shock waves of these issues are starting to reverberate through this country. The troops are doing the best they can. They do what they are told to do, go where they are told to go, when they are told to do it. They are given sub-standard equipment when state of the art equipment is already available due to heavy lobbying. They know this. Are there rotten apples? Sure there are. And there are soldiers who have been damaged mentally who are cycled and re-cycled to Iraq without proper treatment or stateside time to get their bearings, if that is even possible after 3 or 4 tours. Look up PTSD. Ask yourself what a soldier might do if he has an episode during a battle or if he perceives a threat similar to one that contributed to his PTSD. I am all for personal responsibility. But I am just saying that it should be placed where it belongs.
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