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- JamesBondJr, on 01/05/2009, -5/+37And even if both of them close, the government will still do top secret stuff like that and we'll never know, what ever happened to some transparency?
- Morticae, on 01/05/2009, -4/+19And what, exactly, would be the harm in presenting your evidence to a judge and letting someone impartial decide if you have enough evidence? Or is that just letting the terrorists win?
- itisme1760, on 01/06/2009, -2/+16People in Guantanamo get better health care than some people living in the U.S. - Michael Moore.
- lemur, on 01/06/2009, -3/+14I think the premise of our system is based on a universal sense of human dignity (eg we hold these truths to be self evident...). If we can't hold others to the standards of justice to which we hold ourselves, then we're nothing more than the filthy oppressors that they claim we are.
- Seminarian, on 01/06/2009, -0/+11In addition to the word "suspected" the other operative word is "indefinitely."
- inactive, on 01/06/2009, -2/+12SUSPECTED
You know. Innocent before proven guilty. - defektiv, on 01/06/2009, -2/+12I can't believe it's still open. And I can't believe people don't see the damage this does to our FUTURE. Imagine when the families of those tortured grow up and get an ability to lash back.. it's ridiculous that people think they can hold secret wars and torture and that there won't be any fallout from those actions in the future.
You reap what you sow.. no amount of denial will excuse a person (and the innocent people around them) when your actions come around full swing and smack you in the face. Have we learned nothing? Nevermind, don't answer that, I know the answer. - TreeTops8, on 01/06/2009, -0/+9I think North Korea tortures, you like torture, I don't like torture. Which two go together?
- mcnees287, on 01/06/2009, -3/+12except they may not be. many are just captured and held without ever been charged. if they're terrorists then fine charge them as terrorists and let them face trail. The current system is contradictory. on the one had we say we are a nation of laws but we fail to use laws when they are needed most.
- WhiteHatTrick, on 01/06/2009, -1/+10If you have evidence to say they are terrorists, why not present that evidence and do things legitimately?
- inactive, on 01/06/2009, -4/+12Every dickless Republican is here to explain why we need to lock up brown people with no proof.
- TreeTops8, on 01/06/2009, -0/+7Wow! So, in your world, if the your rulers do it, then it must be right. Wow again.
- protogenxl, on 01/06/2009, -1/+7A Gitmo Grows in Afghanistan
- inactive, on 01/06/2009, -5/+11"Crying foul because we apprehend terrorists and don't put up with their ***** won't stop them from killing you and the people you care about. And they wouldn't pause or think twice about it."
Oh Jesus, what a bunch of chicken-little *****.
If these people are so guilty, why the need for secret prisons? - emazur, on 01/06/2009, -0/+6Out of the frying pan and into the 60 million dollar gulag:
"So the Pentagon has decided to build a new prison to replace the current Bagram Theater Internment Facility, a converted hangar used by the Soviets during their occupation. The new facility, expected to cost at least $60 million" - scallon, on 01/06/2009, -1/+7when the hell was the united states government ever transparent?
- kc8yds, on 01/06/2009, -3/+9Obama:
shut down bushes horrible prisons
start new prisons 100 times worse and call it change - rdoger6424, on 01/06/2009, -1/+7"THEM DAMN A-RABS IS EVIL"
- Infowarsdotcom, on 01/06/2009, -3/+9I like to read the news, when delivered by Dr. Seuss.
- Murdats, on 01/06/2009, -1/+7if you were shot by one of these guys then surely you have evidence to lock them up, you know, innocent until you present the gun, witnesses, the bullet and medical reports.
- kinseyincanada, on 01/06/2009, -1/+7***** i would live next to one, what kind of dumbass terrorist would attack his neighbor?
- whatthefu, on 01/06/2009, -2/+8Yes, I love my freedom so much I'll let my government set up secret prisons and allow them to detain anyone they want in the name of fighting the blanket-term that is terrorism. I love my freedom so much that I'll give it up for security because I wouldn't know what to do with my freedom anyway.
- kronzdigg, on 01/06/2009, -3/+8isn't obama going to take care of this? Other secrete prisons will be opened on his watch. More of the same. BushBama
- mcnees287, on 01/06/2009, -4/+9How the hell does this stuff even happen?
***** idiots who set this stuff up do not represent the interests of America at large.
Drastic change is needed or we will fail as a nation. America will go the way of all empires before it . - reaper527, on 01/06/2009, -6/+11give them what they are entitled to, a military tribunal. these are NOT american citizens, they are not entitled to use the american court system
- grumpyrain, on 01/06/2009, -1/+6Here is semperfi524. He is a terrorist. I can offer no proof of this, but you can't always prove the guilty guilty now can you?
Now how do I get my thousand buck bounty? - mcnees287, on 01/06/2009, -1/+6actually america was foundedas a country of laws. Random dudes in the cia and military are not allowed to do whatever the ***** they want.
- vtbarrera, on 02/03/2009, -5/+10What we see happen in Guantanamo will never actually cease, the US will just circumvent human rights protocols and find other avenues to imprison suspected "enemy combatants".
- rdoger6424, on 01/06/2009, -2/+6Dugg for spelling Guantánamo with the accent
- mcnees287, on 01/06/2009, -2/+6So who decides these men are terrorists then?
i doesn't even matter if they are indeed terrorists, send them to trail and then let the law decide. stop listening to limbaugh, your point has little weight. - InfinitySnatch, on 01/06/2009, -2/+6What a poetic title.
- Alheithinn, on 01/06/2009, -1/+5FTA: "The Obama transition team has declined to comment on whether U.S. detention policy for enemy combatants will change with a new Administration. Nevertheless, the U.S. military is building a new prison for what it calls "unlawful enemy combatants" at Bagram that won't be finished until Obama is well settled in the White House. "The Obama Administration is inheriting not so much a shrinking Guantánamo as an expanding Bagram," says Tina Foster, executive director of the International Justice Network, a nonprofit legal group based in New York City."
If the Obama team hasn't commented then nothing is written in stone. Obviously, he'll be dealing with a great deal of inertia from policies put in place by the outgoing administration. - thcobbs, on 01/06/2009, -0/+4Its the process of discovery that can be very harmful to US national security.
- whatthefu, on 01/06/2009, -3/+7The whole thing about terrorism is it instills unproportional fear in governments and people. To deny those apprehended people basic rights guaranteed by our own constitution (especially since many turn out to be innocent) is the opposite of what America is about.
- grumpyrain, on 01/06/2009, -0/+4> Again, back to my point, they are so innocent, then why doesn't their own countries want them back.
You seem rather naive.
What if I was to offer, in cash, 18 months worth of average income for every terrorist you could hand over? Let us assume that your country has been in civil unrest for 25 years, and that power is controlled by waring tribes.
Hmmm, the equivalent of 75 grand, and all I have to do is hand over those bastards I hate. Now they want me to take them back? No thanks. - TreeTops8, on 01/06/2009, -2/+6For those Fathers, Mothers & Daughters, we need to INVESTIGATE 9/11, find out who the terrorists are, and pursue, capture, imprison them.
- SelfAbortion, on 01/06/2009, -1/+5Obvious troll is obvious
- carbonfilament, on 01/06/2009, -1/+5you're right. They are entitled to visits to a doctor. I have to pay 395/month for insurance, and 25/visit after that. But given that the cost of that health care is eternal internment without trial or parole, I'll take the medical bill, thanks.
- carbonfilament, on 01/06/2009, -0/+4*citation needed
- NerveBand, on 01/06/2009, -2/+6Wow, the ignorance in your post is an extremely sad reality we face today.
- grumpyrain, on 01/06/2009, -1/+4Yes. I do believe that some of the detainees were picked up off the streets. There are some well documented cases of exactly this. I believe this to be the policy of offering bounties was abused by local warlords to remove their enemies and get rich at the same time.
Other detainees are terrorists who should rot in jail. That is why we have courts you know; to determine whether the person actually committed the crimes they are charged with. Find me any place in history without an independent arbiter where corruption wasn't rife. I have no time for the bastards who seek to destroy the things I love. I do however have great concern for those innocent caught in the crossfire. - inactive, on 01/06/2009, -0/+3Over 20,000 undeclared inmates are held on prison ships operated by the CIA/US Navy.
- reaper527, on 01/06/2009, -0/+3"Military tribunals sound sonorous and, ah, sternly appropriate, yet there again how can non-American citizens be prosecuted except for offences committed on American soil ?"
your kidding, right? did you follow something called world war 2? just like the nazis in nurenburg (who never set foot in the usa), these terrorists are enemy combatants, and we are absolutely within our rights to detain them and put them in front of a tribunal for crimes commited against our troops. - CosmicSurfer, on 01/07/2009, -0/+3Just NOW paying attention? This is another Rummy scheme put in to full spin .. We aren't just screaming to get our rocks off....
Did you REALLY THINK GITMO was the sole prison? Bush and Co with their cadre of black hearted spooks have them set up throughout the world with a potential for one on every base (Army Regulation 210-35, In effect Valentine's Day 2005). Those of us who have been working with Congressional members to close them down have been working to close them ALL down. There is no accurate count as to the actual number but look at the number of military installations in the world and you have the number of potential GITMOs - If you want to help, go to AIUSA and AI International... - semperfi524, on 01/06/2009, -1/+4"Yes We Can"
- inactive, on 01/06/2009, -1/+4And the Democrats you guys voted in will keep doing it.
- nullcodes, on 01/06/2009, -1/+4Many people would take the ones cleared of any wrongdoing and falsely accused, if they actually allowed this. Actually recently there were some detainees almost released into the US that a group was making this offer to .. it became a big deal because the govt. almost allowed it and then rescinded at the last minute.
First they said OK: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7658045.stm
Then, the white house blocked it: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7660399.stm
Of course you never bother to hear those stories. - dmightx, on 01/06/2009, -1/+4Obviously they are doing something they shouldn't be doing. However, does that justify giving no trial and torture?
- carbonfilament, on 01/06/2009, -1/+3Actually unless some major happens I win. In reality I'm self employed and was forced to cancel my insurance because I can't afford it due to the lack of work when the economy tanked.
So I'm hoping that the new administration takes some of their billions they are handing to bankers and gives basic health coverage to those of us that can't afford it. All I really want is one visit a year and a guarantee that I won't go bankrupt if I manage to survive getting hit by a bus. - schkura, on 01/22/2009, -0/+2Report on Bush Administration falsehood regarding Gitmo recidivism from Seton Hall Law:
http://digg.com/world_news/THE_MEANING_OF_BATTLEFI ...
Who knew that speaking out against your detention constitutes a "return to the battlefield"? -
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