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Group for former Muslims threatened by Muslims

upi.com — A support group for people who have decided to leave the Muslim faith are receiving death threats from...you guessed it...current Muslims. Under Sharia law, people leaving the faith are subject to a death sentence.

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  • PatrioticKiwi, on 10/12/2007, -46/+101Ask yourself, people. What kind of organisation threatens to put to death those who dare to leave it after joining? This is barbaric behaviour. Let's say you joined the Rotary club and then subsequently left it. Do you think you'll be put to death? If you joined the Republican or Democratic Party in the US, or the Conservatives or Labour in England, and then you left, do you think you'll be killed?

    I can only think of two types of organisations that kill its ex-members: (A) the Mafia, (B) a religious cult. Islam probably fits the latter.

    But wait, there's more. Check out these images to see what Islam really is:

    http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s55/patriotickiwi/salute2.jpg
    http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s55/patriotickiwi/pal_salute.jpg
    http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s55/patriotickiwi/salute3.jpg

    I rest my case...
    • RadicalRon, on 10/12/2007, -15/+13Pajamashadeen get to the truth - again.
    • Krymore, on 10/12/2007, -65/+24I forgot Islam was an "organisation"... Get your delusional paranoid conspiracy theories off Digg and take your LGF cult friends with you. Go find another site to spam your neofascist agenda.
    • agentofchange, on 10/12/2007, -14/+46has anybody else noticed that a lot of Muslim groups these days are being run like the mob instead of a religion?

      a little line from the Sopranos might remind you of this article:

      "Once you enter this family, There's no gettin out."
    • PatrioticKiwi, on 10/12/2007, -21/+29Also, it may help readers if I quote sources for where Muslims are getting their ideas from.

      Note that these quotes are taken from the Hadith which forms the basis of Islamic Sharia Law. The Sahih Bukhari Hadith is regarded by Muslims as the most reliable and is used by the vast majority of mainstream Muslims. --> See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahih_Bukhari

      ------

      Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57
      Narrated 'Ikrima:

      Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

      http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/084.sbt.html

      ----------

      Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 84, Number 58

      [...]

      There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed.

      http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/084.sbt.html

      ---------

      Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17

      Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

      http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/083.sbt.html

    • Uberdork, on 10/12/2007, -24/+44Islam is a religion of peace. Having divisiveness threatens this. They kill because they love.
    • rolandde, on 10/12/2007, -7/+27The perpetrators should be rounded up and prosecuted under the letter of the secular law. No special treatment whatsoever. Free speech does not include the right to intimidate others under the treat of death. Their religious affiliation is a side matter; the fact that they are threatening somebodies life is the prime concern.

      Plus, come on, a religious institution committing atrocities. You cannot solve religious disputes with reason (2000 years of theology is prove of that). Guess what's left?
    • hiPpymIck, on 10/12/2007, -24/+4i saw the word Islam and i thought oh no not another Daily Mail story.....but no its upi

      then i previewed the first comment photos.... guys giving the straight arm salute like Nazis
      looks a bit simplistic ... sorta like pictures of Russian soldiers goose-stepping

      (i know Russian arent Nazis cos they lost a million men fighting them in WW2)

      not that i can be arsed to check after i realized who had posted the comment

      anyone who thinks the Daily Mail is a reputable news source is wasting their,
      mine and everyone elses time on Digg

      shurely a Kiwi should be thinking of some thing like Gallipoli (famous military blunder)
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1998/10/98/world_war_i/203383.stm

      Gallipoli: Heat and thirst
      Map of Gallipoli
      The Gallipoli campaign was a disaster from beginning to end. The mission was ineptly commanded and poorly equipped. After nine months of deadlock and the loss of more than 100,000 lives the allies eventually withdrew their attack on the peninsula.

      The campaign took place between 25 April 1915 and 9 January 1916. The offensive's ultimate aim was to push through the Dardanelles straits and capture Constantinople, the Turkish capital. If a breakthrough had been achieved, the Turks, who were allied with the central powers (Austria and Germany), would have been unable to prevent Britain and France from joining the Russians in the war against Austria-Hungary and Turkey.

      After the previous failure of the British and French naval fleets to take the Gallipoli peninsula, the allies felt there was little alternative but to attempt an amphibious landing.

      Gallipoli
      The Anzacs were pinned down on the beaches
      On 25 April two landings were made; the main force of 35,000 men under Lieutenant General Hunter Weston landed at Cape Helles.

      This was supported by a smaller force of 17,000 men from the Australian and New Zealand Army Corps (Anzacs) under General Sir William Birdwood. This force landed at what became known as Anzac cove, a mile north of their intended destination and surrounded by deep cliffs.

      The Anzacs were to move inland and seize the Sari Bari heights but soon met with a Turkish counter attack, commanded by Mustapha Kemal, the future president of the Turkish Republic.

      By nightfall the Anzacs had suffered 2,000 casualties and were fighting to stay on the beach.

      The force at Cape Helles had also made little progress and come under attack from the Turks. For two weeks allies remained on the beaches losing one third of their force.

      Much of the failure has been attributed to poor coordination and leadership from the British General Sir Ian Hamilton, who chose to command the whole operation from aboard a ship.

      Another 25,000 men were landed near Anzac Cove and more at Cape Helles in August. The allies made another thrust, but to no avail. Deadlock on the beaches persisted.

      The whole offensive was finally called off in December and troops evacuated.

      Although the campaign had taken some of the pressure off the Russian front, its overall failure encouraged Bulgaria to ally with the central powers.

      During the 10 months the allied forces had been pinned down by the Turks, more than 90,000 had become sick with dysentery and frostbite.

      The Gallipoli campaign also cost the lives of more than 100,000 allied and Turkish soldiers with another quarter of a million wounded.

    • kodak543, on 10/12/2007, -21/+11that's a completely false analogy. First of all, this only applies IN an Islamic states, as an apostate, is considered an enemy of the state (i.e. treason). Are traitors still hung in the United States, or did we get rid of that "barbaric" practice?
    • hiPpymIck, on 10/12/2007, -21/+1ps
      im drunk

      ...and slow
    • twisterrust, on 10/12/2007, -10/+9well , I dont know whats your Point of posting these pictures...
    • nmeadata, on 10/12/2007, -10/+13Somehow it seems like defining Christianity by looking at David Karesh. There are many sects and practices, lets not forget to keep our eyes open to that fact.
      Wikopedia
      "Only about 20 percent of Muslims originate from Arab countries."
    • computerdude33, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15"Ask yourself, people. What kind of organisation threatens to put to death those who dare to leave it after joining?"

      Scientology?
    • mirzamajka, on 10/12/2007, -22/+13patriotickiw - I can see how an idiot like you would stereotype people by the faith you uneducated bastard. Everyone can start pulling out images out of their ass that show any group of people doing something bad. Just remember one thing, Christians killed and forcefully tried converting the whole African and South American content during the colonial times.

      So to stoop down to your level, Christianity is barbaric in allot more ways then Islam.
    • saikhan, on 10/12/2007, -18/+24@Patriotic Kiwi

      Did you even read the article? I quote:
      “Ahadi said she and other members of the group have been "terrorized" and have received death threats, most of them sent via e-mail.”

      That could mean that they got threats like “Insallah, I will kill you!” but in reality those messages are totally anonymous and could be the efforts of some childish prankster.

      As far as real Muslim organizations are concerned I, unlike you, have had some personal experience. Last year I went to a Quran Class/Prayer Group with my roommate who happened to be a good and pious Muslim. Out of curiosity I went along with him just to find out what exactly it was that Islam is. It was an hour and half of recitation and reading and afterwards we ate some food and just generally chilled. It was at this time the prayer leader(unsure what official title is) asked me if I had any inclination to join them from now on and become Muslim. I politely declined. He did not try to convert me, he did not kill me, he did not even try to bring it up again. He just gave me a look of disappointment and apologized for putting me on the spot in front of everyone.

      This is real Islam, not the crazy fanatical political organizations that you seem to be referring to in you pictures. Seriously, you need to be able to differentiate between religion and politics.
    • WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2@rolandde
      "Plus, come on, a religious institution committing atrocities. You cannot solve religious disputes with reason (2000 years of theology is prove of that). Guess what's left?"

      Oh My Science! He's right!
      (And don't forget, kiddies...just ten more days to teh next season of South Park.)
    • smartass007, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3this isn't islam, it's a 'cultural' issue
      /sarcasm
    • ozziegt, on 10/12/2007, -13/+13The fact that your inflammatory images are getting dug up and Digg is frontpaging 3 or 4 anti-Islam articles every day, it kind of shows what can happen to a social networking site when a group determined enough to push their agenda gets enough numbers.
    • tinyjesus, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3@uberdork: please tell me you were being sarcastic. saying you kill for peace is essentially the same argument bush is making to justify the war in iraq right now.
    • foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@OP
      Whats wrong with them saying
      "Ave Caesar"?

      Yes... I'm not stupid, I know what that signifies.
    • toytoyota, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I don't see what you're trying to prove by showing people saluting differently and wearing different clothes.
    • gundamoak, on 10/12/2007, -9/+9@ patrioticwiki and other bigot-retards

      So i guess if you can generalize an entire faith and group of people by the alleged actions of a few, then I can say that because so many priests and pastors these days are guilty of the horrendous crime of child molestation and other hypocritical homosexual actions (aka Ted Haggard), then ALL Christians and catholics are gay child molesters. Obviously I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS GENERALIZATIONS BECAUSE ANY ONE WITH A BRAIN KNOWS IT IS JUST A FEW PEOPLE doing these things who happen to be Christian or Catholic (and in the case of the story, muslims in Germany btw, not representative of the world, let alone muslims in the U.S.)

      Jeez, I find myself hoping every day that people won't be stupid and believe every stupid ***** that they hear. Digg is usually the place for people like me (when the retards and trolls aren't around).
    • diggduggjoe, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5"What kind of organisation threatens to put to death those who dare to leave it after joining?"

      The United States did the same when it went to war with the Confederacy. The Constitution does not prohibit leaving, only that a super majority agree to admit a state into the union. A state being a soverign nation. Any right not given to the federal government is left to the states, such as when to leave the Union.
    • omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -9/+11I'm not a Muslim, but I'm tired of the entire religion being painted with the brushstroke of the actions a few radicals. I don't base my views of Christianity on the actions of its followers. If I did I wouldn't be a Christian anymore.
    • uberkling, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2The only comment I have in relation to this story:

      ...Bloody typical.
    • rabidstrikes, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6According to pile of crap koran, apostasy is punishable only by death.. there is no other alternative unlike what these lying taquiya practitioners are claiming
    • kd1s, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8Well, try leaving the Roman Catholic church. You can ask them to excommunicate you until you're blue in the face but they won't.

      At the very least though, they don't hunt you down and kill you.

      Lets face it, Islam is a sick and twisted religion based on the rantings of an opium addled Mohamed. Yet they glorify him as a prophet. You have to wonder how the hell Islam ever took root. But then, it takes root among those with no other education so I can understand how Islam propagates.

      Interesting in the Rageh in Iran clip that was posted a few days ago he said that Iranians value education. So there is hope that Islam in Iran might be forced out at some point.

    • Misesean, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1"What kind of organisation threatens to put to death those who dare to leave it after joining?"

      Hmm...does the name "Lincoln" ring any bells?
    • signal15, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Sounds like a cult to me.
  • puhiawa, on 10/12/2007, -19/+23Sharia Law. See our future under this primitive death cult.
    • omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8About as cute and welcome as some Christians' desire to be ruled under Biblical law.
  • GilbertSundevil, on 10/12/2007, -27/+20Watch this article get buried by the lefties that lurk at digg.
    • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -14/+30This story has been submitted and buried several times already.
    • sanman, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16As a staunch atheist, I really have to condemn the Left-wing nuts who will give a clean chit to Islamists on all kinds of things that they won't do for other religions. Atheism is supposed to be a springboard to rationalism, but the Lefties are just as afraid of that as the Islamists are.
    • TheWedge, on 10/12/2007, -20/+13There's no lefties "lurking" at digg, its predominantly people with common sense and a few conservatives lurking.
    • TheWedge, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13And for the record, I, like most rational people, oppose extremism of any form. I consider anyone who would suggest imposing their religion on anyone not welcoming it is an ***** and should be dealt with accordingly.
    • kflasch, on 10/12/2007, -10/+12I get terribly annoyed at this idea of "lefties love Islam". I certainly vote for and support quite a few Democratic candidates and policies in the U.S., yet I have little love for Islam (or Christianity for that matter).

      This knee-jerk reaction of thinking Leftists unilaterally support Islam and decry Christianity is beyond silly. You folks who suggest it are creating it.

      I'm glad this story was posted to Digg. Let it be shown what Islam demands if you commit apostasy.
    • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -12/+8Impressive that this slipped thru the dragnet of Dhimmis.
    • tomcpp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@TheWedge "And for the record, I, like most rational people, oppose extremism of any form. I consider anyone who would suggest imposing their religion on anyone not welcoming it is an ***** and should be dealt with accordingly."

      So you oppose islam ? Or at the very least the quran ?

      "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do." - Quran 8:39

      Or do you just want to close your eyes completely ?
    • TheWedge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@tomcpp:

      Yes, I oppose nearly everything that's taught in the Quran and the Bible. But the reality of the situation is, that only extremists follow those books to the letter. Most followers (not the ones you hear about) try to find a mix between their own personal rationality and what they're taught by these books.
  • r3volution, on 10/12/2007, -10/+13Big deal. Extremists always like to talk big. But if some nutjob actually harms or even kills one of these ex-muslims then they will simply go to jail and be forcibly penetrated in the most unholy ways, Deutschland-style.

    Just like any type of nutjob who breaks the law.
    • tomcpp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Right ... because we all know muslims always cooperate and never protect terrorists ... right ?

      Oh wait ...

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/19/nsharia19.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/02/19/ixportaltop.html

      Forty per cent of the British Muslims surveyed said they backed introducing sharia in parts of Britain, while 41 per cent opposed it. Twenty per cent felt sympathy with the July 7 bombers' motives, and 75 per cent did not. One per cent felt the attacks were "right".

      20 percent "felt sympathy" for the july 7 bombers. For killing innocents. You cannot have a "minority" where 20 percent of people support killing innocents. That's over a million people.
  • JohhnyNeo, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1Well then we'll keep trying....


  • mtcantor, on 10/12/2007, -16/+16Come on guys, lay off Islam. Its the religion of peace!

    right?
    • powatom, on 10/12/2007, -11/+11More like the religion of pieces (of human flesh?).

      Bad joke, I know. There are many different interpretations of Islam - it's just that the violent ones are the most vocal, much like any right wing, fascist group. I really, really dislike it when people just tar every Muslim with the same brush. These fanatics just don't represent the majority of the Islamic population. It's a sick mix of vocal morons and sensationalist media. Yes, the constant death and destruction in Iraq is terrible, but it's not just religion causing these problems, there are very complex political forces at work too. It's completely incorrect to just say 'Muslims are causing these problems'.
    • captaineuphoria, on 10/12/2007, -15/+4Your families will be murdered and your houses will be firebombed shortly for the subtle sarcasm mocking Islam. Allah Ackbar! Death to the kufaar!
    • uberdesigner, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4*rimshot
    • Tarnum, on 10/12/2007, -9/+7It is... peace as in "Rest in Peace".
    • WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2The phrase 'religion of peace' is such an oxymoron.

      Traditionally, ALL the religions have been used by the rich and powerful to keep the poor people at bay, numbing them into paralysis, through beliefs and fears, while assuring that they stay in their place and just keep making more babies -- that can ultimately be used (by the rich) as 'cannon-fodder' in all the wars they orchestrate....to assure continuance of their own power and wealth.
      Can anyone name ONE religion that this is NOT true about?

      Just ONE?
      I didn't think so.
      There is no true religiosity as long as people are totally asleep!
      Egotism + Religion (ANY religion) = divisive, fanatical, self-assured, arrogant, murderous egotism!


  • Roger, on 10/12/2007, -11/+20Sharia law != Islam
    • PatrioticKiwi, on 10/12/2007, -11/+13Sharia (شريعة transliteration: Sharī‘ah) is the body of Islamic law. The term means "way" or "path"; it is the legal framework within which public and some private aspects of life are regulated for those living in a legal system based on Muslim principles of jurisprudence.

      Source (Wikipedia): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
    • Roger, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15@patriotickiwi

      From what I understand, many Muslims actually reject Sharia law.
    • uberdesigner, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6isn't Sharia is the purest form of Islam. Sort of like Catholics following the Pope's edicts.
    • xutopia, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11@uberdesigner "isn't Sharia is the purest form of Islam. Sort of like Catholics following the Pope's edicts."

      Very few Catholics are fundamentalists who go to such lengths as what all of the Church preaches. The few I have met who do are Jesuit priests, they all did a vow of celibacy and poverty(well the ones I met anyways). They also help anyone they can anywhere they go and fight for human rights and equality whenever they have a chance to.

      As far as I am concerned the "purest form of Islam" is following the 5 pillars of Islam which if you read what they are you'll see are quite benign (one is to give to the poor). Learn more on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam#Five_Pillars_of_Islam

      Although it does sound like I am defending Islam and putting down Catholicism here, my point is that all succesful religions have some form protection system that kicks in when the religion is under attack. The protection system lays dormant when nothing is on the horizon but as soon as something hinders or threathens the religion it goes on attack mode.
    • Archimboldo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Well, is or isn't Sharia == Islamic law? I'm so confused.

      I realize that in any religious tradition one has orthodoxy on one hand, and commentary and added material on the other.
    • PatrioticKiwi, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3@ archimboldo

      You are right
    • chaosmachine, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5a large body of moderate followers enable the smaller groups of radicals to exist. this is true of all religions.
    • tomcpp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1This is obvious ... I wonder why it has to actually be stated. I mean how stupid can you be ?

      islam == sharia

      Otherwise why would muslimah's wear the veil ? Tell me. ( the ONLY occurence of the veil is in sharia law, the quran and hadith merely tell women to "lower their gazes", nothing more).

      Also :

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/19/nsharia19.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/02/19/ixportaltop.html
  • twisterrust, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6not that I doubt UPI credibility, this is one extreme group doing something under the name of Religion. It just happens that we find it easy to redicule Islam bcoz it is always in the news. I bet it wont even make it to the news if a group in chechania threatens a family in Chechania coz they dont wanna be christian anymore
    • PatrioticKiwi, on 10/12/2007, -10/+10Actually, Chechnya is Muslim. The Muslims killing apostates are carrying out Sharia Law - this is Islamic Jurisprudence as outlined in the Hadith. A number of countries - including Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan legally sanctions the killing of apostates.
    • Paroparo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Very few people on digg care about what happens in a small country around the Caucasus, but a lot of people are very interested in seeing articles that support their world-views on the front page of digg.
    • tomcpp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Perhaps it's also got something to do with the fact that the quran does indeed call for mass-murder. It gives direct commands to muslims to commit mass-murder.
  • TheIguana, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3And to think algebra came from their ancestors. *shakes his head*
  • keysersoze9, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2That's my religion of peace!
  • CitizenDuck, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4@Krymore

    'I forgot Islam was an "organisation"'

    For your edification:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ummah
    • omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3It is precisely because Islam has a lack of a unified leader that extremist elements have been able to hijack the religion for their own purposes, and why Osama bin Laden is able to issue fatwas without any official blessing to do so. I think that's why Krymore was getting at.
    • omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2And before you digg me down, even JihadWatch agrees:
      http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/009527.php
    • tomcpp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I fail to see how that article agrees with you. Quote from the author :

      -----
      And in the absence of that, when these clerics speak out about the "hijacking" of Islam, I can't help but wonder if they are just engaging again in the deceit of non-Muslims that is so widespread. After all, in the whole world over there is not a single program run by Muslims to convince their fellow Muslims that violence is not the true path of Islam. Much-ballyhooed programs of that kind have been shown to be fraudulent.
      -----

      This does not support your case. Just the opposite in fact. "islam" = opression (translation of the arabic word)
  • suntzu2007, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5Maybe those claiming Islam to be a "religion of peace" could explain the following for non-believers and non-islam experts as myself:

    "when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free." (v5, c9)

    "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day," (v29, c9)

    "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty" (v123, c9)

    And while we're on the topic...http://www.classicalideals.com/chronology.htm
    • keysersoze9, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Peace-denier!
    • lukehh, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8three scentences out of the entire Koran. way to go.

      Why are you people insistant on this fight? emboldening a clash between "them" and "us". There is more to Islam than your quotes, as there is more to Christiantity than those people who bomb abortion clinics.

      It's so useless to drive up hatred for "Islam" like this. What does it accomplish? How does this help America? You? Are you trying to dehumanize and classify something as evil that you plainly don't understand? how far do you think this will get you in the long term? How will this make you safe? What will the consequences be of demonizing a a group of people that 'feel' opressed?
    • truthteller, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6You take anything out of context and it can be misunderstood, for example :

      Mathew 10:34 : Jesus is quoted as saying: "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

      Just like Christians dont misunderstand that verse, I dont misunderstand those verses you mentioned. All of those are verses that were revelealed during war time at the time of the prophet. Not only did you take those out opf context, they are not a universal rule, let's say for example, praying 5 times a day.

      For anyone who wants to know why killing apostates is not part of islamic law, I suggest reading this article :
      http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=286
    • InfidelAl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0The link didn't do much to further your stance that Apostasy is not punishable by death. In the article you linked the author even allows the following
      "I must also point out here that there is, more or less, a consensus among the scholars that an apostate should be killed. However, I think that the basis of this opinion of the Muslim scholars is questionable. I do acknowledge the possibility that the opinion of the majority of the Muslim scholars is correct, but I request all those who read this reply to please point out the error in my reasoning that follows, rather than informing me that I have presented an opinion that is different from the majority of the Muslim scholars."
      Great you found a guy that does not believe what the "majority of Muslim scholars" do. But, in case you hadn't noticed, the beef is not with the gentleman who wrote that essay, but with that "majority of Muslim scholars".
  • WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5(from the article description)
    "people leaving the faith are subject to a death sentence. "

    They have that same policy in Cheney's inner circle of evil.
  • Troika37, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Silencing opposition (in this case, with death) only proves that your views do not stand up to debate. I find myself extremely conflicted regarding issues like this simply because of my experiences. I know not all Muslims are terrorists, nor do they all advocate the death of apostates. The simple unavoidable fact, however, is that those who do not support every verse in the Koran are cowered into submission by members of their own religion. We never hear the voices of the proverbial 'moderate' Muslim because they know that to voice opposition is to invite death. This is just one more example of that.
  • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -12/+5This is actually not "extremist, radical" behavior -- death for apostates has a long history in Islam starting from the beginning of the religion itself -- it emerges from the actions of The Prophet. Muhammud himself ordered the deaths of those who left Islam, and since Islam considers Muhammud the "Perfect Man" whose every action should be praised and imitated, the Muslims threatening to kill ex-Muslims are simply being faithful.

    excerpt from
    http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=25068

    When The Prophet “forced his entry” into Mecca, according to his ninth-century biographer Ibn Sa‘d, “the people embraced Islam willingly or unwillingly” (Ibn Sa‘d, II.168). The Prophet of Islam ordered the Muslims to fight only those individuals or groups who resisted their advance into the city – except for a list of people who were to be killed, even if they had sought sanctuary in the Ka‘bah itself. One of those was Abdullah bin Sa‘d, a former Muslim who at one time had been employed by Muhammad to write down the Qur’anic revelations; but he had subsequently apostatized and returned to the Quraysh. He was found and brought to Muhammad along with his brother, and pleaded with the Prophet of Islam for clemency: “Accept the allegiance of Abdullah, Apostle of Allah!” Abdullah repeated this twice, but Muhammad remained impassive. After Abdullah repeated it a third time, Muhammad accepted.
    • Roger, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods, do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

      Recognize that? Its from the Bible.

      http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2006/christians-killed-apostates-too/

      And did you actually read the quote you posted? Muhammad actually had pity on the guy and didn't kill him.
    • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3Another "You did it too" argument. Silly.

      I'm no expert on ancient Christianity, but I don't hear any ex-Christians or ex-Jews being killed nowadays. However -- as we saw in Afghanistan in the Abdel Rahman case -- death for Apostates is still very close to the Islamic heart. And why wouldn't it be? After all, the "Perfect Man" -- the Prophet himself -- ordered killings of ex-Muslims.

      oh this is the second part of above story:
      As soon as Abdullah had left, Muhammad turned to the Muslims who were in the room and asked: “Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?”



      The companions, aghast, responded: “We did not know what you had in your heart, Apostle of Allah! Why did you not give us a signal with your eye?”



      “It is not advisable,” said the Prophet of Islam, “for a Prophet to play deceptive tricks with the eyes.”
    • Roger, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9I'm no expert on Islam either, but I can probably refute most of your "evidence".

      =>"After all, the "Perfect Man" -- the Prophet himself -- ordered killings of ex-Muslims."

      Well first of all you're disregarding the context in which these killings were ordered. And from what I understand, in both Christianity and Islam, exceptions are to be made in times of war.

      If anything, your quote proved that Muhammad was merciful.
    • AhmedOmran, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Mohamed didn't force his way into Mecca. If you really want to know what happened, watch "The Message" starring Anthony Quinn, directed by Mustapha el Akkad. Then you'll know the true story of his entry into Mecca.

      Not only have you proven that he's merciful, I'll prove it to you even more, if you refuse to understand:
      Do you know what he did once he entered Mecca, after years of conflict with its inhabitants? He gathered the people of Mecca and asked them: "What do you think I would do with you now?"
      They replied: "You're a good brother, and the son of a good brother"
      To which he said: "Go now, for you are free.."

      Yes, he said that to the VERY SAME PEOPLE who had tortured his friends, boycotted him and his family, harassed everybody who embraced Islam and drove the whole lot out of Mecca a few years earlier (also to be seen in the movie).

      There was not once single incident of bloodshed upon his entry to Mecca. I guess you must feel pretty foolish now.
  • andypiccin, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4for of all your all retarded.

    I don't think in sharia law, theres such a thing.

    This is just ***** ***** disturbers who like aggravating people.

    I really don't think you die if you leave islam. Islam condemns violence of any sort? so why would one die if you leave the religion.

    idiots - don't call religions mafias or cults, if you don't have the facts straight.
    • suntzu2007, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6@Idiot
      From my reading of the above and other, there are plenty of solid facts around. But do show us some facts that counter the above.
    • CitizenDuck, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/084.sbt.html#009.084.057

      "Narrated 'Ikrima:

      Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

      This stream of thought is widespread in mainstream Islam. You may not like it, or want to believe it, but it's a fact. Instead of just believing what you want to believe, try doing a little research.
    • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5An impressive argument. I especially liked this retort: "This is just ***** ***** disturbers"
      Your own Prophet demanded the death of Apostates. It's not just made up from "all your all retarded"
    • gundamoak, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8@ patriotic and suntzu

      You guys pull a verse or two from the thousands in the Quran and Hadith and use it to broadly paint Islam in a negative light. The same can be done with Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, etc. Your motives, however, are too apparent. Stop being bigot retards and generalizing an entire faith from the actions of a few or a few verse plucked that, on their own with no context, support your narrow and racist opinions.
    • InfidelAl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Ummmm. huh? "The same can be done with Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, etc"... there's no difference? None? Let me explain something for you. Say that the Bible commanded their followers to do something absurd like... cut off the feet of people who have brown hair. Now, I would have a problem with Christianity on those grounds. Would I have a problem with Christians? Only if they followed such a command. And that's the problem. You can find any number of wacky quotes from any number of religions but it's not relevant if the followers of that religion do not practice it.
      And FYI, I'm an atheist.
  • there, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14
    A death threat to a convert Muslim atheist in Germany doesn't mean 800,000 Muslims all wish Sharia law. All it means is that the individual that wrote the threat is an idiot. This incident really isn't that different than so called Christians that wrote death threats to the Dixie Chick for daring to question the Gulf war. Does this mean that all christians which to kill us unless we convert? Unlikely.

    Having said that it's important to mention many Muslim countries do routinely execute people that convert from Islam. That is clearly wrong and something that members of the Muslim diaspora need to communicate back to their original homeland.

    People should be able to choose their own beliefs as free of coercion as possible. If force is required than it isn't a real choice.... just bullying.



    • brownmear, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0The dixie chicks are ***** not because they disagree with the current war, they went to a foreign country and disrespected our president.

      They want to come home and say they are down home country. Sorry, those of us down home and in the country respect the current president, regardless of who he is.You want to disrespect, take it to the voting booths. Don't go to a foreign country and say ***** that you don't realize will be publicized world wide. Stand by it "chicks" as you move into obscurity. Awards don't make fans, fans buying records make musicians. chicks will probably be a footnote in history.
    • there, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3
      Last I checked freedom includes the freedom to criticize. And just because you personally think "their *****" doesn't mean they deserved death threats from so-called Christians. It's both illegal and immoral.

      You just tried to defend the indefensible guy.
    • cannabinemsi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1respect the president regardless of who it is? this is democratic *****. when i personally disagree with my countries policies, i am allowed and obliged to say that i don't think as those who rule in my place. this is what democracy is about. staying quiet waiting for the next elections won't show anybody how the people wants it to be done. demonstrate, stand up for your rights and wishes. this is what democracy is about.
  • PATSCRU, on 10/12/2007, -9/+18between PatrioticKiwi and AdmiralAdama, we could have a whole anti-Islam museum here. But really guys, if you're interested in Islam, or it's evils, i would suggest you go to an Islamic country, because trolling LGF and JihadWatch and Wikipedia are terrible places to learn about the religion and culture.

    This is Digg, it's not the fukn Crusades. Get over it.
    • CitizenDuck, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6"...because trolling LGF and JihadWatch and Wikipedia are terrible places to learn about the religion and culture."

      I agree. The Koran and Hadith are much better examples. And as I cited in my comment above, they speak for themselves.

      "This is Digg, it's not the fukn Crusades. Get over it."

      Hey, this is Digg! And not all of us march lockstep with your belief system, and we Digg stories we think are of interest as well. So, in your own words, "get over it."
    • lukehh, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Or, if you can't hop a plane, but want to see and Islamic country check this out:

      http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4679426685869498072

      yes its true! they don't all goose step and salute like nazis......
    • saikhan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9lukehh, It is so sad that you post a link to a VIDEO that shows how countries in the MidEast actually are, but are dugg down anyway just becuase people don't like the truth, and infact shows how wrong they are.
    • there, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4
      I'm an atheist so I think all religions are dumb... but I don't hate them more like feel its ignorance. I do fear miltant islamic extremists but I feel much the same way about militant christians and jews too.

      If I had to narrow it down to a demographic, the real Islamophobes are almost exclusively made up of very vocal ultra right extremists from Christian or Jewish origin (even it they're atheists). However I don't think the majority of Jews and Christians are like this. In fact my mom's a Christian and she thinks that Muslims have been getting the shaft. I also have a few Jewish friends that think many Israelis are pricks for the way they've treated Palestinians over the last 60 years.

      Unfortunately many people live off stereotypes (and only negative ones at that). They collectivize in order to justify killing their stereotype then pin medals to each afterwards for being "heroes". This isn't that new a phenomena (as evidenced by the holocaust).

      I really wish there was a way to diagnose these people early because they obviously have deep psychological issues (who else would spend countless hours a day looking to spread dirt on somebody's religion?) I sometimes hypothesize they're like this because they're very unhappy with life and that somehow striking out against some cartoon characterization of "evil" fulfills the vacuum of their existence.
  • Trat, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2Yeah... Islam = peace...
    • Roger, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13I see what you did, how original!

      Lemme try one...

      Yeah... America = land of freedom and tolerance...
    • Trat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0America is no religion, also America = ignorent.
  • typecase, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18Digg's turned into Islam hate central. Every hour there's a new "Muslims suck" story. I wish it was still about just about technology.
    • scabbers, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Yeah it's been taken over.
    • AhmedF, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Amen.
    • CitizenDuck, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3There's a technology main nav item at the top which will restrict to that category.
    • calvmari, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3I wouldn't actually say that. There's been plenty of submissions showing the extremities of anti-gay sentiment from radical Christians. All these stories are submitted by users as well, so if you see a story of atrocities by other religions you should submit those stories as well.

      I wish Muslim communities weren't committing these harmful acts that cause so much negative perspective on their religion :(
    • omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9@calvmari: People shouldn't be blaming the religion. They should be blaming the individuals and their overly zealous interpretation of it. Extremism and fundamentalism are bad news no matter what the religion.
  • WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -9/+15Just to illustrate the obvious point that ALL the religions have something sick and violent dogma in their traditions -- for those lazy and stupid enough to follow dogma -- here's something from the 'Bible'...specifically the 'Old Testament' AKA 'The Torah', applicable to those who call themselves Jews or Christians, just as 'Sharia Law' is thought to be applicable to those who call themselves Muslims. (By ignorant observers, anyhow.)

    It's a nice read....enjoy it!
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Sick Bible Verses

    Here are some Holy Bible verses you might find "interesting."

    "The Lord is a man of War!" -Moses (exo 15:3)
    "people lamented because the Lord had smitten many people
    with a great slaughter" (1samuel6:19)
    "Take the HEADS of the people and hang them up before the Lord against the
    sun!" (Numbers 25:8) …a grisly sight im sure!
    there is a very sad story in judges about how this father sacrifices his
    daughter to God, she was offered as a burnt offering! Judges 11:30-39

    Concerning the LOVE of children; I would have to say there is none!
    "Happy is he who dasheth thy little ones against the stones" Pslams 137:9
    (pslams are considered the most wonderful in the bible!)

    God orders child murder and rape in Isaiah 13:16-18! It is all in there.
    "Their children shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes!! (sick twist to
    force them to watch?!) Their houses spoiled and their wives raped…dash the
    young men to pieces… Have no pity on the fruit of the womb, the children
    shall NOT be spared!"

    The above crimes are committed several times in the bible, and there are
    scripture showing the apparent sadistic nature of god by lines such as "The
    Lord shall ENJOY destroying you" Castration is also advocated as a
    punishment to enemies in deut 33:11!

    Showing the twisted nature of this god there are quotes from him such as "I
    will corrupt your seed and spread DUNG on your faces!" (Malachi 3:6) Can you
    imagine the holy hand of god smearing ***** all over your face! Nice stuff
    huh?

    There are stories such as the one about the profit Elisha who was bald, and
    when some kids snickered at him for that fact -God sent bears to tear the 42
    children limb from limb! As Elisha grinned! This is used to scare into
    submission children who might question or in any way disobey "holy" men.

    Righteous men routinely, offer their virgin daughters to crazed mobs to rape!
    Yes it is true! They even plead with them. "I have two daughters that have
    not yet known man let me I PRAY YOU! Bring them out unto you and you do to
    them what is good in your eyes, only to these men do nothing!"(genesis 19:8)
    (ya see dear ol’ dad had company, and the mob wanted the two men he had over)
    Dont worry the daughters were not raped and killed by the mob, they were
    lucky -they got to have sex WITH THEIR OWN FATHER later in genesis
    19:33!!!!! But wait! He was drunk, and THEY wanted it! Where have I heard
    this before? Oh from degenerate incestuous child molesters! Great biblical
    men right? Praise the lord!

    Moses was on one of his killing sprees and he had just fished off the last of
    the men. As he rode with his massive army into the village the women and
    children probably were terrified. Would they be driven into the desert?,
    would they lose their food supply? -It was much worse. Moses calmly tells one
    of his captains to KILL EVERY MALE CHILD! Panic erupts. Mothers scream as
    soldiers rip the babies from their breasts and slit their throats! Or perhaps
    impale them with spears! Moses sees that the mothers are too horrified to be
    of any use so he orders Kill all the mothers! Scampering toddlers running,
    stumbling,and falling to the dust are butchered by Moses’ grimy army. After
    the slaughter Moses turns his demented gaze, and an evil grin spreads over
    his face. His gang of butchers howl when he tells them "save the little girls
    for yourselves!!!!!!! Girls, 12 and under, in shock, shaking, too terrified
    to
    speak, are RAPED by maniacs dripping with the blood of their mothers and
    family! (numbers 31:15-18) *really try to "see" this, fill in the details.
    We are taught to look to these biblical heroes as models! Monsters who
    actually know the sound an infant makes when it’s throat is sliced! PRAISE
    THE LORD!

    What about David? He was called "a man after God’s own heart".
    Well let's for a moment imagine you are one of his victims. You are strapped to a table of
    some type in a subterranean dungeon of horror. You will be dismembered with
    old saws! F*#king SAWS! This is NOT an efficient way to kill BUT it is a
    torture, Your pain will soon be overshadowed when you look in the eyes of
    your family, as they are forced into a BURNING BRICK KILN!!!!!!!! And they
    die screaming your name!!!!!!!!!

    Imagine you are a mother holding the hand of
    your daughter, trying to comfort her; you tell her not to worry that it will
    be over soon, you force a smile, wanting only to spare her from the pain. You
    hug her and tell her you will be there with her, you give a kiss, trying to
    hide you tears and fear. The guard opens the huge stone door, a blast of air
    swirls around. You hear the deafening roar of the fire you clutch onto her as
    you are shoved in to the oven!!!! PRAISE THE LORD! (2samuel 12:31)

    There are tons of these stories. Everything that you find sick and evil
    are advocated by God in the bible.

    When soldiers slaughtered the native American peoples the preachers
    would quote from the lovely pslams "ask of me
    and I shall give you the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost
    parts of the earth for your possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of
    iron and scatter their pieces like a potters vessel!" Ya see GOD said it is
    ok.

    Women are taught their place also "That women adorn themselves in modest
    apparel, with SHAMEFACEDNESS! And sobriety; not with braided hair or gold or
    pearls or costly array…Let the women learn in SILENCE with all
    subjection…suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp the authority of the man
    but be in SILENCE!" (1Tim 2:9-12) this in the good ol new testament. "the
    Promise Keepers" have a female branch called "suitable helpers!" Yuk!

    Nothing else has caused so much misery than their hateful god. Our science
    was suppressed, the Greeks calculated that the world was round and measured
    the circumference to within about 80 miles more than 500 years before
    jesus!!!!!!!! Romans had central heat and plumbing, but this was scrapped as
    vanity, and suffering was good, so it was lost. Christians burned the library
    at Alexandria, more than 700,000 scrolls, the knowledge of the earth, was
    burned!

    Historians calculate that we were set back by 2,000 years! (Think
    what it would be like if it was about to be the year 4,000 instead of 2,000!)
    Women in old Europe used to be healers, they had knowledge of herbs and other
    sciences, but they were burned as witches, ..ever wonder why men dominated
    the medical field? Well because the women were burned for it, and over time
    were taught their place. Women were not allowed to vote, they still dont have
    equal pay, discrimination is rampant, and a host of other injustices.
    Why is it a lesser crime to beat a wife than beat a stranger? One word; PROPERTY!
    Think about it daughters are the property of their fathers, "Who gives this
    woman to be wed…" It is in the lines we use in marriage, and in many other
    things that we may not think about. Who does a suitor have to deal with and
    "get past"- the "Father", who is the one traditionally you ask for permission
    to marry his daughter? Biblically the crime of RAPE was a crime against who
    ever owned the woman, either the father or husband etc. You will do more time
    for stealing a TV than raping a woman!

    Lets hear how the great men of Christianity view women:
    "When you look upon the face of a woman, consider that you not face a human
    being, but the devil himself. The voice of a woman is the hiss of a snake!"
    -SAINT Anthony
    "Girls begin to talk and stand on their feet sooner than boys because
    weeds always grow faster than good crops." - Martin Luther, Protestant hero
    "Every woman should be filled with Shame by the thought that she is a
    woman"
    -St. Clement of Alexandria
    "And do you not know that you are an Eve? The sentence of God on this sex
    of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the
    Devil’s gateway: you are the unsealer of that tree: you are the first
    deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was
    not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God’s image, man. On
    account of your desert -that is, death - even the Son of God had to die." -
    Tertullian
    ""woman is temple built on a sewer" -Boethius
    "To embrace a woman is to embrace a sack of manure" - Odo of Cluny
    St. Thomas Aquinas suggested god must have made a mistake: "nothing
    defective should have been produced in the first establishment of things, so
    woman ought not to have been produced then"
    "…because being formed from a man's rib they are only imperfect animals
    and ‘crooked’ whereas man belongs to a privileged sex from whose midst Christ
    emerged." -Malleus Maleficarum, or "hammer of the witches" (An inquisitorial
    handbook)
    Women are often understood to be impediments to spirituality in a context
    where God reigns strictly from heaven and demands a renunciation of physical
    pleasure. As 1 Corinthians 7:1 state, "It is a good thing for a man to have
    nothing to do with a woman."

    Christianity taught us to be ashamed of our bodies, and of sex. Etc.
    etc. A woman risks being labeled a slut or some such title if she expresses
    the enjoyment of sex. Young girls are programmed well, they verbally tear in
    to any girl who dares cross the line by refusing to be ashamed of her
    sexuality.

    Young men also are greatly effected; they may not hold their
    tongue, but when discussing some sexual matter they will very often be rude
    and crass, and actually quite hostile. You see the idea that sex is "evil"
    still is in their minds also even if they won't consciously admit it. So when
    discussing the "evil" subject they will act "evil". It is a rude disgusting
    subject so they will behave rude and disgusting. The guilt they feel is
    projected onto the women as they are a more convenient target. The woman they
    met and had sex with is now refereed to as a slut or a lowly whore. He cant
    have consensual sex and still be friendly. OH no ...the guilt of the
    "improper act" must go somewhere, and it of course falls to the girl. And so we
    continue our little dance of guilt and sin and hate concerning sex and it
    just spirals down, because we rarely think about it. One of the many many
    wonderful gifts of Christianity.
    If interested I suggest you read "sacred sexuality" by A T Man and Jane
    Lyle

    There are a million things Christianity has done to cause the misery of
    humanity. Many people see this and blame religion in general but it must be
    realized that many cultures had advanced science and were continuously
    getting better that were not Christian. Although some people will point
    towards the Muslims in defending Christianity’s treatment of women, two
    things should be noted; Muslims & Christians have the same main god, and it
    is not that they are so much worse in their system BUT they follow the ideas
    formed in the bible WORD for WORD. Besides pointing at another does not
    excuse the wrongs of the criminal.
    Christianity’s main ideas are: Accept that you are a scum deserving of
    death from birth, and you are only "saved" from god’s wrath by his suicide.
    You see the "loving God" was so filled with anger that he destroyed the world
    with flood, and slaughtered millions, but not being satisfied with that he
    came down to earth and killed himself to appease his own rage! You must
    realize that suffering is a good thing. And you must renounce the "world"
    meaning most everything that might bring you pleasure. You will degrade women
    and beat your children (as the bible orders you to do), and you will only
    value your fellow man as a potential "convert". Anyone who opposes your
    hateful system is in league with your devil, etc. etc. etc. It goes on and
    on.

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ "THE DARK SIDE OF CHRISTIAN HISTORY" by Helen
    Ellerbe , Morningstar books.

    [The above, final comment about some book, is not from me but was part of this file that I had saved from somewhere.
    --WaterDragon]



    • junkalam, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5congratulations to waterdragon for breaking the "longest comment on digg" record !

      has some good points though...dugg
    • CitizenDuck, on 10/12/2007, -10/+0Who claimed Christianity was exempt from anything.?

      When you digg your "Group for former Christians threatened by Christians" story, I'll digg that one, too.
    • PATSCRU, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4good stuff, waterdragon, maybe if some of these people read the bible instead of speculating about Islam, it might expand their worldview.
  • campstriker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10yet, another muslim story aimed to change people's views.
  • Isidore, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6Muhammad killed apostates and POWs after they surrendered at Banu Qurazya, took female prisoners as slaves and had sex with them (ie rape). He is called the perfect man and mercy of mankind in the Quran which came out of his mouth. Jesus and the Buddah did kill or rape. Most Muslims and diggers are unaware of these facts and imagine that Muhammad was just another holy man. Unlike Jesus and Buddah, Muhammad took political power and used it ruthlessly at times - this is why mosque-state separation is more difficult in Islam.

    These death threats are not an isolated incident, most Muslim-majority countries have civil penalties for those who leave Islam.

    We need more Muslims like www.irshadmanji.com - author of the Trouble with Islam Today who urges liberals not to whitewash unacceptable Muslim practices but to help to reform Islam by challenging unjust practices.
    • WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3And unlike 'Jesus', Mohammed and the 'Buddha' actually existed as more than characters invented for propaganda purposes.
      Unfortunately, the Koran apparently also propagates the fable of a 'Jesus' having existed literally.

      So it seems like just more BS, in the same fear/manipulation tradition of the bible / torah.

      Here;s a bit of (Persian-like) poetry:
      "Even a rose becomes ugly ...when its thorns are shoved into someone's eye."

    • nwatkins, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@waterdragon

      It has been proven that Jesus existed. He was not created as a propaganda tool.
  • cannabinemsi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6why would you take fundamentalists as an example for a whole religion, a whole culture? there are examples for extremism in every religion that ever was or ever will be. it's in it's nature, for believe has to be extreme to become religion.

    maybe, if all the hate spreading ended, people would finally realize that they're not so different as they're often led to think. both sides are being played off against each other. by the same type of people. they just act in different ways, yet achieve the same. fear and hatred among the population of the "others", that come to kill us. be it the message of an islamic cleric, who damns the allied troops in their holy and sacred places, or that of the leader of "the free world", who makes us worry about all those terrorist-attacks that are about to happen, but actually never take place (and no, homeland security isn't just doing a helluva job). peace is not what they want. it is not their business.
    • Bytor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Quite simply because fundamentalists are in the majority in Islam. It is a fundamentalist religion.
    • Bytor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2...
    • cannabinemsi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@bytor

      this is just not true. if it really was like that, and the majority of more than 1 bilion people were like those pitty souls in the pictures everyone claims to be "normal" for islam, do you really think we could live as we do right now? if it really was like this, this would top WWII by far... try to look beyond the propaganda. it's not that hard...
    • Bytor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Based upon what facts? Where are the moderate mosques in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan, Iran, et al?

      Where is Islam practiced that doesn't have the Quran preached as the literal and un-alterable word of god?

      Do you even know what fundamentalist means?

      fun·da·men·tal·ism (fŭn'də-měn'tl-ĭz'əm) Pronunciation Key
      n.

      1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.

      This is how Islam is practiced from Saudi Arabia to Canada. Just Ask Irshad Manji or Tarek Fatah (both Canadians) what speaking in favor of moderation got them (short answer death threats).
  • calvmari, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Just FYI to those who are hating all this religion talk. This is the political branch of Digg, and politics is never pretty. I recommend staying away from this section if it makes you said. I think I'm turning this off myself :(
    • AhmedF, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9This isn't 'politics'

      Its the ravings of one lunatic used to 'illustrate' a billion people.

      The layman term for this is 'propaganda'
    • calvmari, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Well then, we should have a propaganda category in Digg and shove these type of things in to it ;)
    • AhmedF, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Concurred

      Or even better - "People with singular agendas"
  • gadlaw, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3You know, Christian history is full of things and behaviors that we are ashamed of and which we now denounce. The inhumanity of the Inquisition, the lack of rational thought when dealing with people who disagree with the 'true religion', the conversion by the sword, all sorts of bad things. We need to denounce those things as they exist now, even if they are under the cover of religion. It is inhuman and immoral to kill people who disagree with your religion, it is inhuman and immoral to kill young women or anybody who doesn't want to be in your religion any longer. Period. If you don't denounce that sort of behavior then you condone it and are worthy of being denounced yourself. Simple.
  • AhmedF, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6The submitter revels in digging anti-left/anti-muslim articles.

    Agendas and the like :)
  • ne0shell, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9gee Robbie, you pretty much submit nothing but anti-muslim propaganda and anti-aclu (not that I'd defend the ACLU) articles. Are you getting paid for all your hard work or is this how you kill time between O Reilly episodes?
  • Bytor, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5This happens over an over again everywhere. The problem is not a minority of extremists.

    The problem is that the majority of Islamic practitioners are fundamentalists. Fundamentalists in any religion are the source of extremists. From abortion clinic bombers in Christianity to the suicide bombers and terrorists of Islam. More fundamentalists == a bigger pool for extremist killers.

    I have seen it in my country, Canada, as well. Irshad Manji lived behind bullet proof glass in Canada do to constant death threats. Tarek Fatah started the Canadian Muslim Congress and was it's leader stepped down because of threats to himself and family. His crime attempting moderation, opposing Sharia Law.

    Islam is not a religion of peace, moderate Islam is a tiny minority under siege from a fundamentalist majority.
  • RatTrap, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2these muselims need to STFU like right now there really starting to piss me off.
  • davetheman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Theorically, Baha'i Faith is an offshot of Islam. The founder claimed himself as another prophet after Muhammad. That's why in Islamic countries like Iran, Baha'is are prosecuted and deemed as apostate.

    http://www.us.bahai.org/
    • PatrioticKiwi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4How the hell did a post about repression of the Bahai faith get dugg down? Is anyone SERIOUSLY denying that Bahais are being persecuted in Iran? Get real! I can understand people here defending Islam - there are two sides to every conflict. Denying the unjust killing and oppression of a very vulnerable religious minority is just insane.
  • JesusIsSatan, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2More Jew propaganda to demonize the Muslims. Hey, stop stealing the Arabs' land!!! It's sad that Jews have brainwashed gullible Christians into helping them slaughter Palestinians so they could steal their land. Christians are so stupid. They think that when the Jews re-occupy all of Israel, Jesus will return and The Rapture and Judgment Day and all that other crap will happen. That's why it's important for the Israelis to take back the land the Palestinians are living on right now. All for Biblical prophecy.
    • PatrioticKiwi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7The Jews didn't steal anyone's land. When the Arabs invaded Israel after its declaration of independence in 1948, the Israeli leaders tried to persuade the Arabs to stay and build a state together. Arab leaders told the Arab population to leave so they wouldn't get in the way of advancing Arab forces.

      Nuri al-Said, the Iraqi Prime Minister said: "We will smash the country with our guns and obliterate every place the Jews seek shelter in. The Arabs should conduct their wives and children to safe areas until the fighting has died down."

      In the same conflict, 900,000 Jews were driven out of Arab countries.

      Get your facts right.
  • Dewhead, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I don't know how anyone can deny that there is an evil terrorist militant group of muslims. If 911 didn't convince you, what about the Madrid, Bali and countless other bombings of infidels in the name of Allah? How you forgotton how violent thousands of muslims got over cartoons??? Of course, thousands did not get violent, but a whole hell of alot are very radical. I don't see how discussing the issue is anti-Muslim, but it is anti-violence and anti-terrorist. How can anyone defend these monsters? By exposing the hate and violence, maybe just maybe that will help with the reformation of this religion.
  • gromnie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Another Fine Product
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  • bkmbr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0The Muslims are uncontrollable. Every day we found news about extremist actions by them. First forcing Hindus convert, now that, and no one can't say nothing about it or half Middle East is set on fire. Why the Muslims can do anything? They really think all they wishes are above the rest of the World. Sometimes it seems the Middle East never leave the medieval age.
  • suntzu2007, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I find it amusing how, as soon as an article/comment/post/caricature appears that criticizes Islam it's being surrounded with angry Muslims. Why don't you proof us wrong? Start posting articles of great Muslim humanitarian movements, show us how Muslim countries are concerned with human rights and freedom of thought/religion? Instead of bickering, burning your little flags, cursing Jews, telling people to ***** themselves, storming embassies and sending death threats, why not denouncing violence / the behavior of certain militant Muslims? Explain (in a "peaceful" manner) why we misinterpret phrases out of the Qua ran (like I asked for in my previous post)?
    • suntzu2007, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0wow...13 minutes and I haven't been dugg down yet :)
    • Trat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0You wont find that, cause there aren't any. Islam = peace, you know.
  • ismailtaju, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0muslims and the leftist colab. are just about distroying the west.

    waterdragon, first you need to understand that the word christian means christ-likeness i.e, to be like Jesus and i suggest you go read about jesus, not old-testament(you don't see us practice any ritual of the old testament save the 10 commandment), so all your trols is just bunch-bundle nonsense.

    everytime muslims kill and really they can't help themselves its the very foundation of the madness called islam, you leftist-librals rush to look for a parallel in christianity and judaism offcourse they pull up histroy again, nothing but tales. just wait tomorrow muslims will strike again........and you will pull the same non-sense.

    leftist and christian-hater gone completely mad.

  • PyroSkank, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"Islam = peace, you know."

    Actually, the words Islam and Salaam both derive from the same ancient S-L-M root arabic word, but they mean different things. Salaam is used the same way that Israelis say Shalom or Hawaiians say Aloha. It means Hello/Goodbye/Peace.

    Islam, on the other hand, has a very different translation. It means "submission". That is, submission to the will of Allah, as interpreted by Ol' Mo'. Sort of a religious tyranny, if you will.
    • PyroSkank, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I see that my post has already been dugg down.
      Looks like SOMEBODY'S afraid of the facts.
  • TheReelBubbaman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0These kinds of articles illuminate the sorry state of Islam today. Stuck in the 7th century these adherents better discover a wholesale reformation lest we all perish in a mass conflaguration. The saddest part is that's exactly what they desire.
  • Flamingmoth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0A typically peaceful resolution by members of a peaceful religion. Medieval in approach but, death becomes them. Perhaps we should allow them the liberty of killing each other off.
  • Flamingmoth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Appears to be a reasonable and peaceful solution via a reasonable and peaceful religion. Death becomes them. Perhaps we should allow them to kill each other off in Medieval fashion without interference from the boots on the ground.
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