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- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+63Results or it didn't happen.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+42Crooks offer immunity but they can't hide from justice forever. "I was just following orders" is not a valid excuse for criminal behavior. Treason against the United States of America by top-ranking officials and their employees--those who forgot the meaning of "public servant" and to "protect and defend the constitution"--is a severe, punishable offense.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/10/2007, -0/+29Whadd'ya mean? I know LOTS of people with contempt for Bush and his staff.
- shabumike, on 10/10/2007, -1/+27As i watched alberto gonzales wipe his ass with the constitution the other day whilst testifying in order to protect that pile of totaltarian feces you call an administration that was very questionably voted in, I decided the USA is no longer a democracy. A congressional research service aint gonna do jack something more extreme needs to take place.
- urbannomad23, on 10/10/2007, -0/+24About time the Dem's/ and the agenc(ies) got their ass in gear.
- TruthWillWin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18The U.S. people are so far down the path of a police state with a "elected dictator...
The game is rigged....... heavily...... politically..... economically... - thefirstenemy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18Be careful how you use all of that contempt. It is, unlike oil, a finite resource. Did you know most that most people can't tell the difference between you using 50% contempt, and 50% audacity?
- pintomp3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15but will it impeach?
- MasterThief117, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16The question is: What took them so long?
- Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13*Saying* that they feel the actions are illegal and actually *charging* someone so it ends up in court so that the decision gets made are two different things. As I've said in other forums ... USA vs. Nixon. The US has had to literally charge their President to force him to give up his cronies to the Watergate investigation. Now you have to do it again because you've got another ***** who snuck in. Get the ***** on it already. Sitting here in Canada watching all this dithering and fencing is infuriating.
- KhanneaSuntzu, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13This is just white noise and laying and posturing to make the US look like a democratic system abroad. Completely incredible.
- RushBaby, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11CRS is not an "agency"; it is an arm of Congress, itself. I think that is important to note.
- Stormflux, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12535 days in which Bush can set himself up to be a permanent dictator, you mean. And even if he leaves office at the end of his term, that's no guarantee the next one will be any better. No. Congress needs to make an example out of the Bush admin - and they would, if they weren't just as ***** corrupt as he is.
- krnldmp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10A witch hunt is when you are looking for evil that is not. This is different.
- Stormflux, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Sitting here in the USA and watching it is doubly infuriating.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8I wonder if the GOP tossed the word "treason" around so much as a two-fold strategy:
1. Demonize your enemies with a shocking word.
2. Later, if the public finds out all the crap they've been up to and is thinking of getting the ropes and torches, the word "treason" will seem to be little more than an ad hominem attack, lacking the punch it used to have, in spite of the fact it describes their behavior perfectly. - Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7I honeslty don't know how it can be fixed short of intentionally breaking the system to build it anew. You have to ban lobbyists and their money, ban corporate donations, switch to a proportional representation system to allow other parties access and re-assert the balance of power between the three sides of government. All of that will be more or less impossible when the foxes are already in the henhouse.
- Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Are you at all surprised that they haven't found any examples of criminal wrongdoing? The executive can withhold any document or witness that they want to. You would have to be a psychic to actually prove wrongdoing when the criminals have the luxury of deciding what evidence you as the prosecutor get to see.
- krnldmp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Specter: "Mr. Attorney General, do you expect us to believe that?”
After Gonzales spews a whole pack of complete *****. The man is a professional liar. - doug141, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Executive priviledge might not protect them, but a pardon will. Recent presidents have ramped up the use of pardons to ridiculous ends.
- siszam, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6"Get out" That seems to be the only solution Bushies have for those who don't tow the line. This isn't a dictatorship where you have to follow the rules or leave. Not yet anyway. The people with that attitude shame America. You stand against everything this country is built on. You should want people to have different opinions and thank those who question authority. Maybe you "get out" people should leave. Move to to China or North Korea where people can't question the government. It won't be so funny when a Democrat takes office only to carry on with the same agenda. Then you'll be screaming too.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Well, he is a lawyer.
- Stormflux, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6If by "Help yourself", you mean invade Canada and Mexico on false pretenses, shame on you. If you mean abandon the US instead of fixing it, double shame on you.
- obliviousfool, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Actually this sounds like what they did with the word "impeachment" during the whole Clinton thing.
- UnstableMind, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5God, this pisses me off. I feel completely helpless. Where is our V?
- sprutnik, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4"executive privilege protects current and former White House officials from criminal contempt citations by Congress."
I wonder if the "current and former" portion of this was drafted to protect Bush and Dick because they knew that whoever becomes the next president he/she would have those two on a stick! - weebit, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Yes and unfortunately he might could pardon them somehow I believe. But He can't do anything if they are convicted.
- neptytune, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4What I find ironic is that Bush wants to invade on our civil liberties and even forces congress to stay until they change the FISA agreement. The people that agree with this say "Unless you have something to hide, you should be fine with it." I'd like to pose the same thing to the Bush administration about the Judicial firings. Unless you have something to hide, just hand over the people and the documents. You know the street goes both ways.
- obliviousfool, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I've said this before. This is no witch hunt. We know where the witches are. This is more like a whole bunch of people waiting around with marshmallows and kindling.
- Caffeinate, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4AMEN! Every week they discover something "wrong" that this administration has done, but instead of acting on it, they discuss it to death and guess what? BushCo is *still* in office. When it is time for him to go, he isn't going to go quietly. What will Congress do then, discuss it until BushCo declares discussion illegal?
- Jmuduke, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Well duh, everyone already knows that their claims of immunity are *****. I really don't get why they haven't got the Sargeant at Arms to arrest all these bitches. The law is blind, and everyone is equal under it. EVERYONE should be treated the same with respect to the laws of this country. Unfortunately, they've perversed the law so much in the last few years that the rich can weasle their way out of almost anything.
- Caffeinate, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Get their asses in gear? Are Bush, Cheney and the gang still in office? If the answer is yes, their asses are most certainly not in gear - they are sitting on their fat asses doing absolutely nothing but talking a good show. It is time for action, not more discussion on whether or not they have done the wrong things. We can discuss every wrong thing BushCo has done for the next 10 years and probably will only scratch the surface. Get them out of office first, and then discuss.
- inactive, on 10/29/2007, -0/+3Dr. Lawrence Britt, a political scientist, published research on fascism in which he examined the fascist regimes of Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Suharto and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each fascist State:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarceration of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists; terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military are glamorized.
5. Rampant sexism - The government of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are intertwined - Government in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation are often the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated, or are severely restricted.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassinations of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Benito Mussolini - who knew something about fascism - had a more straightforward definition: “Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.”
Abraham Lincoln stated, “I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me, and causes me to tremble for the safety of our country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people, until wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the republic is destroyed.” - bradbeattie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I for one welcome our new inefficient overlords?
- mbelleghem, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3SPOT ON.
(sorry for the caps) - precog29, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Whoever has the authority to put justice to action needs to do so asap at all costs, even while risking their own life.
This is simply ridiculous that we have gangsters controlling America - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Do you mean like the millions of cowardly illegal immigrants who abandon Mexico and other nations seeking a better life in the U.S. instead of having the intestinal fortitude to stay in their own countries to fix their problems? I couldn't agree more.
- bkemper, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3That was almost coherent. He COULD pardon them (or preemptively commute their sentence), but ONLY if they were convicted first.
- siszam, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2In Iraq fighting imaginary terrorists.
- johnwdoe, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I don't have a congressman; I'm European ;)
- rationalist, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Those who are sincere about wanting things to change should read "A Force More Powerful". There is plenty of historic precedent for peaceful, dramatic change of direction, often at times people said it was "impossible". When the people's discontent reaches a critical mass, things do change. We're just not there yet, folks are too comfortable.
- wil2200, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2how are they getting into gear by still passing FISA? what is OSL gonna stop making calls now that the US has passed legislation to spy ON THE US?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2There is a separation of these branches of government for a reason For those crying for an impeachment, there has to be a crime investigated to warrant impeachment. The administrations actions were just stupid, not criminal. This is a fishing expedition to try and trap someone in to committing perjury, much like the Republicans went after Clinton for lying about getting a blow job. Getting a blow job wasn't illegal, just stupid. (The only reason it was stupid was the skank he chose to suck dick, not the actual getting dick sucked.)
- McGrude, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You're right. People often get this wrong. "Staff" is a single entity, a group of people. Same with other groups like corporations, churches, unions, etc. Microsoft _is_, The Catholic church _is_, The UAW _is_. You're referring to the singular entity. If you're referring to the individuals in the group then it is plural. Microsoft employees _are_, The church members _are_, but the congregation _is_. This is such a common mistake. Thanks for bring it up.
- rationalist, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1In order to get them out of office, a super-majority of 60 votes are needed in the Senate.
Let me guess - you didn't vote last time, because "the two parties are the same". Now you are complaining because the votes aren't there. - drakethegreat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1*****
- AlbinoRaven, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Who is this agency specifically? The Congressional Research Service is the newspaper clipping service of the congressional branch of the US government. Their job is to clip news articles and do research on whatever a congressman(woman) requires about current affairs.
While I think it's admirable that yet another govie group is standing up and saying "Bush yer a ***** sucker", it might as well have been the FCC's radio control board of the blue band shaking their fist.
Until something with a bit more teeth than the news clipping service pops up, I'd just take notes for now. Wait until the army rolls back in and starts pointing fingers. Then the ***** will start to fly. - McGrude, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1That's ok. It was justified in this case.
- karel747, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1iM iN UR CONGRiS, DOIN' NOTHIN'
- Terr01, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Frist's Post!
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