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Gotcha! Olbermann Rips Apart Bush Economy Speech [with video
huffingtonpost.com — Last night on "Countdown," Keith Olbermann ripped apart President Bush's speech on the economy, fact-checking each claim and dismantling Bush's case point-by-point.
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- retiredguy110, on 05/02/2008, -21/+144It is unfortunate that only MSNBC has the balls to research and report on all the lies propagated by Bush and his neocon lackeys. Keep up the good work Keith. We love you.
- kilpack, on 05/02/2008, -46/+10Keith Olbermann == Bill O'Reilly
Both are arrogant, vitriolic blowhards. Chris Mathews is one of the few class acts left on cable news.- rentmitchum, on 05/02/2008, -1/+15Shallow and pedantic..
- kilpack, on 05/02/2008, -22/+4Yeah, he's that too.
- Ryan166, on 05/02/2008, -26/+8Olbermann really is the left's O'Reilly. He has been called out so many times on his hyprocrisy, I'm surprised he's still on the air.
- brufleth, on 05/02/2008, -2/+17Sure he's left wing and can be overly inflammatory. He also makes reasonable and well thought out points. O'Reilly makes broad and ignorant generalizations based on feelings and then uses them to justify stupidity.
Not really the same at all.
- rentmitchum, on 05/02/2008, -5/+8Olbermann '08!
- Pillage, on 05/02/2008, -10/+3And by "we" you mean? All 700,000 viewers?
- BobOki, on 05/02/2008, -5/+7I hate Olbermann, but its refreshing to see someone do EXACTLY what he did.
Take each point Bush makes, and correct it with facts.
Isn't Bush committing like perjury or something?- brufleth, on 05/02/2008, -1/+9He isn't under oath. He can say whatever he wants (and he does) and his supporters eat it up because to them he is their preacher and you don't question your preacher. You just take whatever is said as fact and ignore any opposing information you might have.
- DRINKxREDxBULL, on 05/02/2008, -6/+5Kind of like Obama didn't question his?
- brufleth, on 05/02/2008, -2/+6Well since you're changing the subject, actually he's questioned him and expressed his disagreement quite a bit. But you've apparently chosen to ignore that. Way to go!
- DRINKxREDxBULL, on 05/02/2008, -4/+3After 20 years, and only because people are calling him on it and he wants to be president. But you've apparently chosen to ignore that. Way to go!
- DRINKxREDxBULL, on 05/02/2008, -6/+5Kind of like Obama didn't question his?
- brufleth, on 05/02/2008, -1/+9He isn't under oath. He can say whatever he wants (and he does) and his supporters eat it up because to them he is their preacher and you don't question your preacher. You just take whatever is said as fact and ignore any opposing information you might have.
- JoeVet, on 05/02/2008, -4/+2MSNBC is no better than the rest of the mainstream media. Really the only US based news organization worth watching is the Daily Show. BBC News leads all of our media in accurate unbiased reporting.
- DRINKxREDxBULL, on 05/02/2008, -3/+3Not true. Here is a comprehensive overview of the four types of photo fraud committed by Reuters
http://www.zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/
- DRINKxREDxBULL, on 05/02/2008, -3/+3Not true. Here is a comprehensive overview of the four types of photo fraud committed by Reuters
- DRINKxREDxBULL, on 05/02/2008, -7/+4Whats really sad is that he (and all the rest of the crazy far-lefters) actually believes that he is risking something by being on the air.
Edward Murrow would punch that douche bag in the face he was still alive today.- jezsik, on 05/02/2008, -2/+5Douche bag? You mean O'Rielly?
- DRINKxREDxBULL, on 05/02/2008, -5/+2No, I mean Olbelberman. You fail at reading comprehension.
- kilpack, on 05/02/2008, -3/+1easy mistake, I get those two hacks mixed up, too
- mtthwmiddleton, on 05/02/2008, -1/+3Regardless of whether I agree with you or not every time you state a point of view you are such a douche about it that no one is going to listen to what you say, which only ends up hurting the point of view you are trying to convey. Try using some tact and humility sometimes.
- jezsik, on 05/02/2008, -2/+5Douche bag? You mean O'Rielly?
- crocheoni, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1well said!
- Stormwern, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1It's bad it takes a news show to do the news broadcasts' job.
- mickstephenson, on 05/03/2008, -0/+1Perhaps you should change to the less controversial headline, "did 1200 bush's drown?"
In other news "kill bush and win a metro"
- kilpack, on 05/02/2008, -46/+10Keith Olbermann == Bill O'Reilly
- ArnieLerma, on 05/02/2008, -17/+106In a totalitarian state truth becomes treason
- RSS14, on 05/02/2008, -6/+13WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH - XXXXXXXXXXXXXX, on 05/02/2008, -20/+9So why isn't Olbermann being arrested right now?
- icepick602, on 05/02/2008, -2/+2oh snap!
- yodaj007, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2We aren't in a totalitarian state yet.
- Hangly, on 05/02/2008, -9/+7Totalitarian doesn't begin to describe it. We're going to have to invent new words to describe this government.
- imightbewrong, on 05/02/2008, -3/+16read a book
- tocsy, on 05/02/2008, -3/+0Scrumptrulescent?
- Frnnkdlxx, on 05/02/2008, -9/+5Us truthers have been doing this for years.
- RSS14, on 05/02/2008, -6/+13WAR IS PEACE
- mcgoo, on 05/02/2008, -12/+58Many people have seen the latest reality TV show, fewer have seen the "An Inconvenient Truth", but how many people have seen the movie "Gas Hole"? For the past 30 years, U.S. presidents have admitted that our dependency on oil is a clear and present danger. The GAO and DOE conclude that there is no coordinated federal effort to find replaceable energy sources.
The Hirsch report entitled "Peaking of World Oil Production: Impacts, Mitigation, and Risk Management" was published in 2005 by the Dept. of Energy. "Peak oil" is when maximum oil production is reached and then continually declines afterward. In the U.S. peak oil was reached in the 1970's. Many other countries have already reached peak oil, and global peak oil is predicted to occur between 2010 and 2040. However, the insatiable demand for oil continues to increase as China, India and many third world countries develop.
The U.S. has a small fraction of the world's population, but uses almost one third of the current oil supply. The oil crises of the 1970's have taught us little about energy conservation. Today the mileage efficiency of American autos are one half that of German autos. The countries most vulnerable to peak oil are those with the greatest demand and those without alternative energy sources.
So here we are again at another presidential election. The federal government is essentially bankrupt, there is no coordinated federal effort to develop alternative energy, and the most expensive war in history continues - for a 100 years? I would like to watch that reality TV show, but our tuner has been disconnected since 1985.- Jsmuli2, on 05/02/2008, -6/+8It's because it shouldn't be up to the government, let the economy work it out. If people really care about "renewable" and "clean" energy, they need to spend the extra money on cleaner products so the energy industry can change. But the truth is, people are more pissed about the PRICES and not the EFFECTS.
The government needs to stay out of the energy department because they might end up choosing the wrong form of energy. Only the economy (the consumers) can promote any real change.
If anything, the gov't should give some sort of tax breaks to companies that use solar/wind energy, something along those lines. But that's it.- flip2trip, on 05/02/2008, -9/+6I agree the government should stay out of the energy business and allow drilling for oil here at home.
- amoirae, on 05/02/2008, -4/+5flip2trip: So we can have another Enron?
No. - kholburn, on 05/02/2008, -0/+9If they just gave the same subsidies, tax breaks to solar/wind companies as they give to the oil companies we would all be a lot better off.
How many billion do they give to the oil companies?- soulkitchen, on 05/02/2008, -1/+4I'm almost with you on the "Govt out of Business" concept, but me thinks we're about to miss the boat entirely on clean energy. Sustainable energy/building/agriculture and the like are going to be the next big industry worldwide. And since we're about to be pushed out of the service sector partially, and the manufacturing sector completely, it wouldn't be bad to become the world leader in this industry as a job replacement. In fact, we're perfectly positioned to take the lead in this field.
Despite our current blunders about the world, we're pretty ***** good at major innovation when the government actually gets behind the effort. Take the Manhattan project and the Apollo program for two examples.
Even if your a climate-change skeptic, and even if you care nothing for the environment, I think we can all agree that we would like cleaner air, water, and soil. You may consider that the average person today has lead and mercury levels many times that of our ancestors. I'd cite that, but I'm lazy right now.- Jsmuli2, on 05/02/2008, -1/+3Becoming a world leader in an industry doesn't necessarily mean the gov't takes part in any of it. But my thing is, if they were to, they should treat every business the same with their energy sources.
- soulkitchen, on 05/02/2008, -0/+5@Jsmuli2 "if they were to, they should treat every business the same with their energy sources." === I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean subsidize oil the same as new technologies? Or do you mean subsidize Oil companies for their research in new technologies? Something else entirely?
A lot of people in business and politics are afraid that a drastic shift away from oil would cause one of the U.S.'s biggest industries to collapse and cause serious macroeconomic troubles. One solution would be to help turn oil companies into clean industry thereby assuring their continuance and using their vast capital and research capacities to jump start the effort. The rub is that they've shown themselves to be, shall we say, irresponsible stewards in the past. - Jsmuli2, on 05/02/2008, -1/+2@soulkitchen - my thing is this, If the gov't is gonna subsidize no matter what, they shouldn't just pick one aspect of the industry (ie. oil) They should kinda of level the playing field, by subsidizing all of them. I am not saying that's what I want, but people believe that the gov't "should" do something about how we get our energy, so that is my suggestion as a compromise. That's why I said "if they were to..."
I am a firm believer in the economy and I know that that gov't should stay out of it, but that will never happen, there will always be some sort of gov't regulation/subsidies.
- soulkitchen, on 05/02/2008, -1/+4I'm almost with you on the "Govt out of Business" concept, but me thinks we're about to miss the boat entirely on clean energy. Sustainable energy/building/agriculture and the like are going to be the next big industry worldwide. And since we're about to be pushed out of the service sector partially, and the manufacturing sector completely, it wouldn't be bad to become the world leader in this industry as a job replacement. In fact, we're perfectly positioned to take the lead in this field.
- Jtheletter, on 05/02/2008, -0/+3Do you realize how much energy/fuel the government and its various agencies consume? The US government and military is directly responsible for a significant portion of the energy purchased by the US, essentially one of the largest customers. If the government doesn't make an effort to switch to alternative energies then it's still your economy at work, they drive a big portion of demand. Think of it like Walmart, they're the 800 lb gorilla that can change the entire market simply by shifting its buying habits.
- Jsmuli2, on 05/02/2008, -1/+1Very true and I kind of kept that out of my argument, didn't think I had to go there.
You knows thems Econs Texts books
- Jsmuli2, on 05/02/2008, -1/+1Very true and I kind of kept that out of my argument, didn't think I had to go there.
- TidusX, on 05/02/2008, -1/+4The consumer holds so much power, if we demand cleaner energy and support it with our money then it will become more popular and thus become cheaper. This is the same principle that goes for big screen tv's so why, so lets start to open our eyes and show that our dependance on oil is not the way we want it to go.
- Hangly, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2Link to documentary?
- dougdiggerton, on 05/02/2008, -7/+3didn't ask for your life story
- solid12345, on 05/02/2008, -2/+1You are right, we rely on too much oil exports from such unstable nations as Canada and Mexico and even the US itself, we need to end this now!
- diggimator, on 05/02/2008, -0/+5> The oil crises of the 1970's have taught us little about energy conservation.
Thanks to Reagan for lowering car efficiency standards.- mcgoo, on 05/03/2008, -0/+1I heard that President Carter installed solar panels for the Whitehouse in order to set an example for the government. President Reagan had them ripped out.
- iiiears, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2I think there were tax incentives given for alternative energy. Unfortunately, When a recent bill was introduced to extend them it failed. There were too many pet projects included and congress threw up their hands in frustration at it's inability to filter the worthwhile from the pork.
- Jsmuli2, on 05/02/2008, -6/+8It's because it shouldn't be up to the government, let the economy work it out. If people really care about "renewable" and "clean" energy, they need to spend the extra money on cleaner products so the energy industry can change. But the truth is, people are more pissed about the PRICES and not the EFFECTS.
- duggtodeath, on 05/02/2008, -8/+26"April the 4th, 1984. To the past, or to the future. To an age when thought is free. From the Age of Big Brother, from the Age of the Thought Police, from a dead man...greetings."
- williethakid, on 05/02/2008, -0/+6"In accordance to the principles of Doublethink, it does not matter if the war is not real, or when it is, that victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won. It is meant to be continuous. The essential act of modern warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labor. A hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. In principle, the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects. And its object is not victory over Eurasia or Eastasia, but to keep the very structure of society intact. Julia? Are you awake? There is truth, and there is untruth. To be in a minority of one doesn't make you mad. "
- ScienceDoc, on 05/02/2008, -6/+49Mission Accomplished - The rich have all your money!
- diggrnumber1, on 05/02/2008, -2/+8here is a list of countries by income equality:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_ ...
if you put the countries in order by CIA Gini coefficient (most equal to least equal), the U.S. is right below Côte d'Ivoire. We have one of the least equal income distributions of any country. - dougdiggerton, on 05/02/2008, -10/+4income equality is not what America stands for. If you want total income equality become a communist.
- fivefootfour, on 05/02/2008, -0/+4Because that's the only other option; Either total free market capitalism or a communist state. It's no wonder you're so angy.
- diggrnumber1, on 05/02/2008, -2/+8here is a list of countries by income equality:
- macweirdo42, on 05/02/2008, -8/+35It's just too bad it was Olbermann that was calling Bush out - not that I personally have any problem with him, but its just gonna get conservative shrieks of bias, regardless of how on-the-mark he was.
- anonymiau, on 05/02/2008, -10/+13Who cares what conservatives think. They're a bunch of loonies being taken for a ride by a wanna be dictator. They have no critical thought and lack any other ability than being compulsive egomaniacs. These idiots are destroying America and perhaps the entire "free world". Ridicule and marginalize them, like they did with anyone who didn't agree with their dirty little genocide for oil. They don't deserve any better.
- macweirdo42, on 05/02/2008, -3/+10I refuse to sink to their level, and I'm sick of partisan politics, that's why. It used to be, in this country, that liberals were the heart, and conservatives were the brain. Now, ever since the Reagan administration, that balance has been thrown off center. While I wish desperately that the equilibrium would be restored, I have no desire whatsoever to fall into what the Republicans have become.
- anonymiau, on 05/02/2008, -3/+5I admire you for that, but they'll probably just walk all over you with their sociopathic lack of respect for both niceness and dignity. If McWar gets "elected" now, I'll be looking for another planet cause this one will be a goner...
- chaosium, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1Arguing with them is like arguing with Creationists, they can lie all they want in a debate, and are encouraged to do so.
- flip2trip, on 05/02/2008, -2/+11For the record I'm a conservative but no longer a fan of Bush, he has disappointed me and a lot of other conservatives.
- chaosium, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2Why vote for someone who acts and walks nearly identical to him?
The problem with bush is because conservatives WANT and ENCOURAGE him to be like that, to defend their nebulous "values".
- chaosium, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2Why vote for someone who acts and walks nearly identical to him?
- jfowler27, on 05/02/2008, -4/+8Things are not as black and white as you may think they are. Although the majority of the people who voted for Bush probably considered themselves conservatives does not mean that all conservatives are "a bunch of loonies". Conservatism, like most political philosophies, is complex in nature. To whitewash an entire ideology is simply ridiculous. I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of what you said could be pinned onto certain groups of liberals and independents as well.
- serif69, on 05/02/2008, -4/+2I would argue that what he said can describe the Obama supporters on Digg. Any blind supporters of a leader are just following the pied piper.
- anonymiau, on 05/02/2008, -1/+1If you don't see the difference between following Ghandi and following Hitler, you're demented...
- macweirdo42, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2I didn't mean to imply that I thought all conservatives were a bunch of loonies. I was simply referring to the group that will reject information simply because of who presented it.
- chaosium, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1"Things are not as black and white as you may think they are. Although the majority of the people who voted for Bush probably considered themselves conservatives does not mean that all conservatives are "a bunch of loonies". Conservatism, like most political philosophies, is complex in nature. To whitewash an entire ideology is simply ridiculous. I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of what you said could be pinned onto certain groups of liberals and independents as well."
The problem here is that a great number of conservatives still fully support bush and fully support the war, and that conservative candidates always play up the loony aspects of the philosophy, never needing to approach the legitimate ideas.
- serif69, on 05/02/2008, -4/+2I would argue that what he said can describe the Obama supporters on Digg. Any blind supporters of a leader are just following the pied piper.
- macweirdo42, on 05/02/2008, -3/+10I refuse to sink to their level, and I'm sick of partisan politics, that's why. It used to be, in this country, that liberals were the heart, and conservatives were the brain. Now, ever since the Reagan administration, that balance has been thrown off center. While I wish desperately that the equilibrium would be restored, I have no desire whatsoever to fall into what the Republicans have become.
- noangelcame, on 05/02/2008, -7/+10Since you mentioned Bush, the wanna be dictator, .. I'm wondering,. how is it that Bush can say something to the effect of "A Dictatorship would be a lot easier, as long as I'm the dictator.",.. and not catch any controversy for that statement from any in the MSM.,.. However, someone Obama knows says something,. and it's this huge controversy? I just don't get it.
- anonymiau, on 05/02/2008, -8/+11Cause Bush is a very successful wanna be dictator and controls the MSM. Obama however, is a threat to the status quo of the rich and powerful and everything that can tear him down can and will be used against him.
- chaosium, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1"Cause Bush is a very successful wanna be dictator and controls the MSM. Obama however, is a threat to the status quo of the rich and powerful and everything that can tear him down can and will be used against him."
Bush is very successful because people want to be fooled.
The MSM are lazy and stagnant and go with whatever tabloid ***** they can be the first to vomit forth.
Obama isn't a threat to the status quo of the rich and powerful exactly, but he is certainly less pandering to them than the other candidates.
- chaosium, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1"Cause Bush is a very successful wanna be dictator and controls the MSM. Obama however, is a threat to the status quo of the rich and powerful and everything that can tear him down can and will be used against him."
- flip2trip, on 05/02/2008, -8/+2First of all Bush was joking (I hope) and Rev. Wright wasn't--Obama didn't just know Wright--this man was his Pastor, counselor and mentor for 20 years.
- lamiaconfitor, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2Anything a Reverend say can be dismissed, they believe in an invisible man in the sky controlling all of the world.
- frygar, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2*****.
- brufleth, on 05/02/2008, -1/+6Because people like flip2trip makes up a large part of our population. Anything negative about their holy leaders slides off them and anything positive sticks. So they get this rose colored view of what's going on and then attack anyone who doesn't share the same illusion.
- anonymiau, on 05/02/2008, -8/+11Cause Bush is a very successful wanna be dictator and controls the MSM. Obama however, is a threat to the status quo of the rich and powerful and everything that can tear him down can and will be used against him.
- anonymiau, on 05/02/2008, -10/+13Who cares what conservatives think. They're a bunch of loonies being taken for a ride by a wanna be dictator. They have no critical thought and lack any other ability than being compulsive egomaniacs. These idiots are destroying America and perhaps the entire "free world". Ridicule and marginalize them, like they did with anyone who didn't agree with their dirty little genocide for oil. They don't deserve any better.
- jdthree, on 05/02/2008, -13/+16If I ruled the world......... Olbermann would be the replacement for Couric on CBS' Nightly News. He may not get a huge influx of new viewers (except me) but at least we'd get some truth in the corporate media!!!!
- Digger1218, on 05/02/2008, -3/+6Because MSNBC isn't corporate media.
Oh Wait. - Jackson0909, on 05/02/2008, -6/+6No, just the truth the way you want to hear it. People like you are as blind as followers of O'Reilly. Just because you happen to like what he says, doesn't make it fact. Thanks.
- Pillage, on 05/02/2008, -2/+4That's crazy talk, O'Reilly has people on his show that disagree with him.
- gw8t3st, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1If you rule the world, you're the one he'll be bashing on.
- obamayomama, on 05/02/2008, -0/+0Thank God you don't then.
- Digger1218, on 05/02/2008, -3/+6Because MSNBC isn't corporate media.
- noangelcame, on 05/02/2008, -3/+29Bush seems more nervous and less confident than usual in this speech he gave. Seemed to know what he was saying was bs.
- AndrewDB, on 05/02/2008, -3/+1That's like saying the Devil knows and says it's cold in Hell.
- fokov, on 05/02/2008, -2/+1But he knows the country will buy it...who gives a ***** about whether it sounded confident? They are screwing this country over, yet any time a patriot says it the conservatives that say Jesus wouldn't allow it. Moronic pieces of ***** = "LORD" Jesus followers. They are ***** this country over, wake up.
- amar5677, on 05/02/2008, -24/+10heres a video of the theme song of the show "The Fresh Prince of Bel Air" http://youtube.com/watch?v=mcsNe7PtmUs
- Gonasadude, on 05/02/2008, -4/+3Thanks!
- franksalvo, on 05/02/2008, -3/+5Irrelevant. . . yet completely awesome!!!!!
- pooty2, on 05/02/2008, -2/+1OGC
- nastronomical, on 05/02/2008, -20/+7Yeah lets NOT drill in Anwar and ask other countries to drill more and charge us more instead.
- JoeVet, on 05/02/2008, -1/+4Yeah lets destroy our own yard so we can save 1 cent a gallon at the gas station.
- nastronomical, on 05/02/2008, -52/+6Part 1
In just one year . Remember the election in 2006?
Thought you might like to read the following:
A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate
(stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!
Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work
with what's handed to him.
Quote of the Day........"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the
history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
-- Barack Obama
Part 2:
Taxes... Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics
enlightening and amazing.
Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250
Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax rates
It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think
Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If
Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax
cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above
can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul
Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what
happened.
PART 3:
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this:
Boy am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the
Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us.
I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.
I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until
they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I
have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens
each year by state governments.
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs
such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal
aliens.
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of
English!
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &
social services by the American taxpayers.
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by
the illegal aliens.
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two
and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their
children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that
crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from
Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin
and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass
deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of
between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to
their countries of origin.
14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes
Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States."
The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
Are we THAT stupid?
If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message. If, on the other
hand, if it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, I hope you
forward it to every legal resident in the country including every
representative in Washington, D.C. - five times a week for as long as it
takes to restore some semblance of intelligence in our policies and
enforcement thereof.- franklymister, on 05/02/2008, -3/+18Are you just going to keep copying and pasting this article-length rant until you get banned?
- nastronomical, on 05/02/2008, -18/+2Blow a cow
- Jenadae, on 05/02/2008, -0/+7Blow a cow? And how does one do that? Id really like to know...
- inajeep, on 05/02/2008, -0/+6I think he mistyped 'Yes.'
- JoeVet, on 05/02/2008, -0/+4That reply by nastronomical was expected. What else would a mindless drone who can only muster enough 'creativity' to cut and past some one else's work say except insults.
- Nanite, on 05/02/2008, -0/+3If anyone knows how to actually perform this maneuver, It's nastronomical. :)
- nastronomical, on 05/02/2008, -18/+2Blow a cow
- Antimatt, on 05/02/2008, -1/+2Is anyone else worried about those *alleged* tax increases? I only take home 62% of my earnings as it is, and I use most of that up on monthly bills.
- Infidelcastr0, on 05/02/2008, -1/+7Wow illegal immigration costs almost as much as the bush tax cuts did! I too would like to see an end to welfare, Corporate Welfare, that is! Why should we spend money helping poor people when we could just hand it over to reckless businesses who exploit cheap foreign labor and take absurd risks with other peoples' money. So what exactly did the democratic congress do to cause these problems? surely you know.... or are you just reaching to try to make an association where there is none? Life WAS better under Clinton, Taxes or no taxes, you see, when your neocon buddys drive the value of the dollar down with their tax cuts and reaganomics, while wages stagnate, it results in everyday items, such as gasoline, costing more, which means less money in your pocket. So you see tax cuts really help anyone as much as they hurt the country, and really everybody, overall. Of course maybe America could afford the tax cuts if we got more tax revenue by giving immigrants a reasonable opportunity for citizenship and added them to the tax base.....
- JoeVet, on 05/02/2008, -0/+3How sad when you can't even find your own website to plagiarize like str0ngbad. No you could only manage to plagiarize the post above your own. How lazy is that???
- franklymister, on 05/02/2008, -3/+18Are you just going to keep copying and pasting this article-length rant until you get banned?
- shoopdawoop, on 05/02/2008, -23/+5Olberman can kiss my ass in hell.
- skyshock1, on 05/02/2008, -10/+22*sigh*
What's Keith Olbermann going to do when Bush is out of office? Will he continue to have a career?- peestandingup, on 05/02/2008, -1/+4LOL, yeah. I'm starting to think this guy doesn't care much for Bush ;-)
- consonance, on 05/02/2008, -2/+10John McCain looks like he's set to continue Bush's policies, and since Obama and Hillary are murdering each other in the primary fight...
- seomike, on 05/02/2008, -1/+5He'll have a personal recession =)
- franklymister, on 05/02/2008, -3/+10There will always be nutball conservatives for him to go after: John McCain, Ted Stevens, Larry Craig, Sam Brownback, Hillary Clinton...
- flip2trip, on 05/02/2008, -13/+4He doesn't have a career now--he's a washed up sports reporter hack who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.
- SaperKain, on 05/02/2008, -2/+6Seriously Flips. Put some flames on that cross. It would suit you better. What are you doing here anyway? Spreading faith in Holy George and your heavenly father Chaney?
- flip2trip, on 05/02/2008, -2/+2I will say this one more time I have nothing for Bush or Cheney--don't assume you know me.
"Put some flames on that cross. It would suit you better."
Just what are you trying to imply? - RoshanK, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1YO MAMMA
- flip2trip, on 05/02/2008, -2/+2I will say this one more time I have nothing for Bush or Cheney--don't assume you know me.
- SoulDrift404, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1he sure as HELL knows more than Bush does, any idiot can tell THAT.
- SaperKain, on 05/02/2008, -2/+6Seriously Flips. Put some flames on that cross. It would suit you better. What are you doing here anyway? Spreading faith in Holy George and your heavenly father Chaney?
- fokov, on 05/02/2008, -10/+4Funny, the socialist (democrats for the retarded) aren't much better they just waste tax dollars on fake promises just like protecting people (from health bugs!!!!!!!!) You are all *****, and yet you keep voting to continue the dick up your ass.....hahhahahahha
- skyshock1, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1Republicans and Democrats both spend wastefully. Only difference is the Democrats are honest enough to tell you they're going to raise your taxes to do it. The Republicans think they can keep spending and just put us in debt.
- biotch, on 05/02/2008, -1/+3how naive.... you're assuming Fox and its attack dogs will just stop once Bush is gone? There will be plenty of yammering from both sides. Plenty to give Olbermann more than enough material to continue.
- jonnyboy1544, on 05/02/2008, -1/+1ESPN has openings.
- joebaloney, on 05/02/2008, -1/+1I thought (hoped) Rush Limbaugh's career would end when Bush was elected, but somehow that piece of garbage is still all over AM radio.
- obamayomama, on 05/02/2008, -1/+1Maybe he'll go back to filling in for Paul Harvey... we can only hope.
- Anachronus, on 05/02/2008, -19/+3Its so easy to be critical when one has no responsibility for the outcomes.
Foolish people.- rhoffer21, on 05/02/2008, -3/+6it's easy to be critical when a president blatantly lies about issues that matter and has no remorse or care whatsoever.
- flip2trip, on 05/02/2008, -5/+3Oh get off it--got any thing new--anything? Huh? He's leaving, gone, vamoose, asta la vista baby can we move on to something else?
- rhoffer21, on 05/02/2008, -3/+6it's easy to be critical when a president blatantly lies about issues that matter and has no remorse or care whatsoever.
- gdagreat, on 05/02/2008, -10/+17god i hate bush...
- flip2trip, on 05/02/2008, -5/+3You looking for dig ups or something?
- Dylson, on 05/02/2008, -1/+1Are you?
- ralph12c41, on 05/02/2008, -1/+1Proud of your "hate"??
- je12u, on 05/02/2008, -0/+0I'm proud to say I hate him too
- Litchfield, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1god is dead
- flip2trip, on 05/02/2008, -5/+3You looking for dig ups or something?
- motorhead9999, on 05/02/2008, -20/+7And in other news, immediately after an Olbermann speech, a digg user posts an article linking to a youtube video of it, with some form of obligatory sucking up type phrase included in the digg title....
- rhoffer21, on 05/02/2008, -4/+1You obviously didnt follow the link, or read for that matter That was the title of the news article......
- TidusX, on 05/02/2008, -4/+6How in the world did we get two "different" people posting exactly same too poorly spaced to read response? Some thing is not right here.... Hmm..
- JoeVet, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1Low intelligence goes hand in hand with all the Bush apologists. They may be the same or they may just have one script left justify their Texas teabag habit.
- minox, on 05/02/2008, -7/+6So in other words, we aren't in a recession and no amount of groveling will change that fact.
- Gonasadude, on 05/02/2008, -9/+19***** our president. What we need is a Hero. A Hero to come and snipe both Bush and Cheney out of our ***** nation.
*gets taken away by the FBI/SS/NSA/CIA*- CrivensMcJugs, on 05/02/2008, -7/+3Yeah, because the assassination of two presidents at once wouldn't provoke a huge over-reaction by the government on the level of the Patriot Act, at all.
Nice one, *****. - nekama, on 05/02/2008, -0/+51/20/2019.
- CrivensMcJugs, on 05/02/2008, -7/+3Yeah, because the assassination of two presidents at once wouldn't provoke a huge over-reaction by the government on the level of the Patriot Act, at all.
- 223Sniper, on 05/02/2008, -11/+3bush is a bitch. can ***** up a great nation in short order...hes like Nero or Caligula, only reason he couldnt take the country as a dictatorship is because there are too many people like me. Crackshots and not afraid.
- SaperKain, on 05/02/2008, -4/+3People like you are the reason he end up in the White House in the first place.
- 223Sniper, on 05/02/2008, -3/+1hey dumbass i voted for the other guy. think before you speak numbnuts.
- SaperKain, on 05/02/2008, -4/+3People like you are the reason he end up in the White House in the first place.
- JoeYboo, on 05/02/2008, -14/+6Good LORD it is the same ***** every day on Digg. Only one point of view is EVER reinforced here. I guess the Freedom of Speech liberals cling to every time they protest, does not apply to anybody but them.
Can't we please debate something wouthout people just voting crap down it is rediculious. Nothing will every get solved this way and the dogmatic views liberals and conservatives have today will only get more and more bitter.- rhoffer21, on 05/02/2008, -3/+4want to see the other side of the argument? Turn on a TV. Good day.
- arw371, on 05/02/2008, -3/+6What the ***** are you talking about? Free speech? Who is being denied the right to say what they want? Was there something in the reddit registration that marks you from being unable to submit stories for being conservative? This is a democratic website, and you are not used to being a minority. It's kinda ***** isn't it? Remember that feeling.
- flip2trip, on 05/02/2008, -7/+4I don't mind being a minority maybe a libby will give me some welfare or affirmative action.
- SaperKain, on 05/02/2008, -4/+1Burn that cross Flip, Burn it. I know you want it.
- Julik, on 05/02/2008, -3/+0How is being a conservative and talking about liberals mean the same as burning crosses to you?
- makeitloud, on 05/04/2008, -0/+1In English, please.
- WileEPeyote, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2So in that comment you point out your prejudices...
1. All Liberals want to give a handout. Well, I'm a Liberal (of the George Washington variety) and I don't want to give handouts. I would prefer a country where everyone has the opportunity to do well, but not everyone has equal opportunity.
2. Minorities get the handouts. My mother was on welfare for about 5 years when I was a child. Most the people in the welfare offices we went to were white.
- flip2trip, on 05/02/2008, -7/+4I don't mind being a minority maybe a libby will give me some welfare or affirmative action.
- WileEPeyote, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1JoeYboo,
There is a huge array off opinions on this site. Otherwise I wouldn't get into so many discussions...or...uh...arguments. - makeitloud, on 05/04/2008, -0/+2You mean, "Can't we all just get along?"
No. Nor should we.
That's why there's a rating system for the comments. If the numbers bother you, don't look at them.
By the way, none of the world's problems will ever be solved by posting comments on Digg.
- TidusX, on 05/02/2008, -1/+23I am absolutely sick of how our politicians sit there and put the blame on the other party instead of thinking of solutions and taking responsibility. I mean is it asking too much to ask for responsibility when mistakes are made? That is the first step in fixing problems.
- JoeYboo, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2Yeah but the problem is that politicians CAUSE most of the problems that need their fixing. Just get rid of them all.
- fuhlavaflave, on 05/02/2008, -3/+4The Democratic party doesn't provide solutions. When they do, people no longer want to support the democratic party. They just use words like "change" and "hope."
- StarlessKnight, on 05/02/2008, -1/+3Actually the first step is acknowledging a mistake was made in the first place. The second step is acknowledging your responsibility for that mistake. The third step would be deciding to act on that responsibility. The fourth, figuring out how to fix the problem. You see, Bush has a problem with step one; it'll be a long, long time before he gets near step four. Remember the 2004 election debates? He couldn't think of one thing--one, small, little thing--he'd done wrong in the first four years.
- serif69, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2"Under democracy, one party devotes its energy to proving that the other party is unfit to rule and both commonly succeed, and are correct." - H.L. Mencken
Apologies to whomever I stole this from.
- mehss, on 05/02/2008, -34/+6Part 1
In just one year . Remember the election in 2006?
Thought you might like to read the following:
A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate
(stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!
Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work
with what's handed to him.
Quote of the Day........"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the
history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
-- Barack Obama
Part 2:
Taxes... Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics
enlightening and amazing.
Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250
Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax rates
It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think
Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If
Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax
cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above
can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul
Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what
happened.
PART 3:
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this:
Boy am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the
Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us.
I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.
I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until
they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I
have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens
each year by state governments.
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs
such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal
aliens.
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of
English!
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &
social services by the American taxpayers.
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by
the illegal aliens.
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two
and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their
children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that
crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from
Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin
and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass
deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of
between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to
their countries of origin.
14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes
Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States."
The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
Are we THAT stupid?
If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message. If, on the other
hand, if it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, I hope you
forward it to every legal resident in the country including every
representative in Washington, D.C. - five times a week for as long as it
takes to restore some semblance of intelligence in our policies and
enforcement thereof.- SoulGrub, on 05/02/2008, -2/+3You know it makes absolutely no sense to add some of those numbers up right?
- nalen33, on 08/29/2008, -2/+3It makes even less sense that this is the third time someone has posted the same *****...
- flip2trip, on 05/02/2008, -10/+5How dare you post an opposing view using statistics to prove your point on digg!
- JoeVet, on 05/02/2008, -0/+3I'm surprised you are smart enough to type or do you have help?
- Nanite, on 05/02/2008, -0/+5I'm blocking every ***** that posts these ***** republican talking points. Go get your political information from somewhere other than Rush or your email inbox, you stupid bastards.
- SoulGrub, on 05/02/2008, -2/+3You know it makes absolutely no sense to add some of those numbers up right?
- shyboy2008, on 05/02/2008, -10/+5If this democractic congress gave Bush what he wanted, we wouldnt be in this mess. Their hatred for Bush is bringing down this country and thats not fair for the American people.
- rhoffer21, on 05/02/2008, -1/+2proof please. For years this was imminent.
- snds, on 05/02/2008, -1/+3I don't see how when refineries are at 85% capacity that building more would help. Would you mind explaining to me how when refineries are still at their most efficient and aren't being pushed to 100% that adding more refineries would alleviate gas price increases (in a timely manner not by 2025 as the prediction models suggest). Why would digging for oil in a wildlife reserve help reduce gas prices? There are many other places where oil is prevalent and we aren't even using them to their fullest extent. This is largely due to localized conflicts, such as constant middle-east fighting, whether from the Iraq war or the continuing fighting in the Gaza Strip. Take your pick of crises, it doesn't matter which, sectarian infighting and military unrest will get you higher gas prices. These facts are objective and do not hate Bush, it's people like you assigning these facts as Anti-American that make most everyone in the nation hate Mr. Bush.
In the latest polls, Bush has dropped down to an abysmal 28% approval rating, just 4% from Harry Truman's ratings and just 6% from Richard Nixon's final approval rating, doesn't that say -anything- to you? After repeated and obviously different statistic samples you cannot tell me or any other sane American that Bush is a) doing a good job and b) isn't the cause of the majority of problems plaguing this country. His policies have been nothing but confrontational, his friends in Congress have done nothing but brow-beat any legislation that could have helped alleviate these ongoing issues. And all because a few grouchy old men want more oil profits. They would gladly eat up the higher price for gas in order to make their stock portfolios sky-rocket. And this is at the behest of the overwhelming majority of the American public. Please for the love of God get your pompous head out of your gaping ***** and pay attention to the facts, not your own distorted visualization of reality.- flip2trip, on 05/02/2008, -3/+3"And all because a few grouchy old men want more oil profits."
You do realize that the oil companies make 8 to 10 cents per gallon regardless of the price right? The oil companies are making those huge profits because we are using more gas than ever--it has nothing to do with the price of a gallon of gas, so I would suggest you look up your own ass, I think you might find your head in there.- StrikerF35, on 05/02/2008, -1/+1[citation needed]
- PhantomZmoove, on 05/02/2008, -1/+1I'm thinking that all those OPEC jerks are raking in a lot more profit than any oil company here in America.
- flip2trip, on 05/02/2008, -3/+3"And all because a few grouchy old men want more oil profits."
- StarlessKnight, on 05/02/2008, -1/+2Wait, wait, hold on there, Sparky. You mean the 6 years of Republican leadership and Republican majority in House and Senate that Bush enjoyed? You mean the Republicans that didn't get challenged by the President? Vetoes were all but unheard of during that reign? Remember those times, where anything they wanted could have been done if they actually cared to do it? Yeah, the "Democratic Congress" is his problem. Of course it is.
All things being equal, I think it's the President that's the problem. Seems to be the common thread between the Republican Congress and the Split Congress.
- JoeYboo, on 05/02/2008, -5/+7Since when does has a single entity been responsible for the US economy? I think the only time a president can actually be blamed for a downturn is if his policies infringe on the free markets. This whole line of BS that any president is responsible for a bad economy is BS...whith the exection of some...CARTER...who infringed BIG TIME on the free markets.
- nekama, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2You mispelled Reagan. While only one man, his interventionism was a catalyst for the troubles of today.
- antivirus88, on 05/02/2008, -9/+6The only thing I'm going to say is that Olbermann's first argument is debunked by the fact that he has put words in Bush's mouth. When did Bush say that it was the Democrats fault in Congress? He jsut said Congress hasn't passed it, and he's right. It was only Olbermann who wished to push his own agenda further, and make it seem like Bush was singling out Democrats.
The other stuff I have no comment on either way. I'm assuming proceed to once again bash / bury the guy who tries to check out both sides of the guy who claims to be checking out both sides of the argument.- snds, on 05/02/2008, -1/+6Bush didn't say anything directly but he is blaming Congress, albeit indirectly, for not passing legislation that HE wants passed. This does not keep in consideration any other proposals being brought to the table. Bush is trying to make it seem like he's doing something when in reality all he is doing is stalling Congress by proposing legislation that he know won't pass. It also does not help that the Republicans will not allow passing of any opposing legislature (even if it actually does more good for the economy). So Bush can then shift blame to Congress by saying (and I'm paraphrasing here), "Congress won't pass my legislation, guys. See? Look it helps alleviate -some- of the problems. And thanks to all the numb-skulls in Congress, this way I can draw away your attention from all the help I'm giving to my oil buddies. I want to help them build more refineries, I want to help give them more space to drill oil. But really I'm thinking of the little guy...while I'm raping him with bloated gas prices. Sorry." Ok, maybe I went a bit over the top but you get my point. Bush's proposals just digs the grave of America that much deeper. It doesn't help, it just stave's off the greater wound.
- Nanite, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2It's obvious to anyone who is paying attention. Like the poster above me stated, he very obviously lays out the problem, claims to have a personal solution to it (without giving any real details about this plan) and then chides congress for not voting on it. Only an idiot would not see where he's shifting the blame. The buck does not even PAUSE at bush's desk.
- Jackson0909, on 05/02/2008, -13/+3Keith Olbermann is a arrogant, pompous prick. It amazing that you all think he is so brilliant simply because he is a left wing nut job. Every time I see the man I want to punch him in the face. I believe he literally thinks he is smarter than everyone on the planet. Maybe he should think about going back to ESPN. At least they get respectable ratings.
- gak001, on 05/02/2008, -2/+8I'm guessing you like your news from O'Reilly? At least Olbermann has his facts straight.
- Jackson0909, on 05/02/2008, -4/+1Opinions are a wonderful thing.
- flip2trip, on 05/02/2008, -2/+4roflol--thanks for the laugh.
- SaperKain, on 05/02/2008, -3/+2Keith’s ratings are now on par with Billo’s. Suck on that douchebag.
- nalen33, on 08/29/2008, -1/+3No, actually they aren't. Just found this sifting through google. The gentleman uses Nielsen numbers and it basically makes you look like an ass, if you want to call people names like douchebag.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/05/01/oreilly-vs-ol ... - flip2trip, on 05/02/2008, -2/+2No they're not--not even close O'Reilly averages about 3 times the audience of OH-bermahn.
- avaugha4, on 05/05/2008, -0/+3That doesn't change the fact that O'Reilly is insane, and Olbermann is right on with just about everything he says. Unfortunately you are right about the ratings though.
- nalen33, on 08/29/2008, -1/+3No, actually they aren't. Just found this sifting through google. The gentleman uses Nielsen numbers and it basically makes you look like an ass, if you want to call people names like douchebag.
- darthschriver, on 05/02/2008, -1/+3Go to wikipedia and search "ad hominem" Jackson.
- Jackson0909, on 05/02/2008, -3/+0Ridiculous. What "evidence" do you have that everything Olbermann says is fact? The answer: You don't. You just happen to "feel" like he is because that is what YOU believe. Perspective is a wonderful thing. Thanks.
- darthschriver, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2Sure all of that may be true but nonetheless you are attacking the man and not his argument. Thus you are committing an ad hominem fallacy, which only serves to discredit your own "opinion".
- Jackson0909, on 05/02/2008, -2/+0So what? I do not like the man's personality. In fact, I can't stand him. There is nothing wrong with me stating my opinion of the man.
- darthschriver, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2Sure all of that may be true but nonetheless you are attacking the man and not his argument. Thus you are committing an ad hominem fallacy, which only serves to discredit your own "opinion".
- Jackson0909, on 05/02/2008, -3/+0Ridiculous. What "evidence" do you have that everything Olbermann says is fact? The answer: You don't. You just happen to "feel" like he is because that is what YOU believe. Perspective is a wonderful thing. Thanks.
- gak001, on 05/02/2008, -2/+8I'm guessing you like your news from O'Reilly? At least Olbermann has his facts straight.
- warringgael, on 05/02/2008, -17/+7I ate Oberman. Hes like a not-funny wannabe Jon Stuart with far fewer valid points. Youre not witty, Obermann. Youre not insightful. You are an annoying *****.
- sleeknerve, on 05/02/2008, -4/+5you're a retard
- warringgael, on 05/02/2008, -3/+4Care to back that statement up? Maybe include logic in your next post?
- sleeknerve, on 05/02/2008, -1/+3Jon and Olberman are two completely different types of guys, Olberman is not trying to BE Stuart, they have two totally different demographics. Oblerman states his facts clearly and persuades you, while stuart just kinda jokes about that same things for more comedic affect. They are both brilliant, but please do no state that Olberman is not inisghtful, he is, and if American people watched him,they would much more informed. If anything Stuart is a wannabee Olberman, who is one of the best anchors alive. I deeply respect both of them. But you, sir, are probably the most mentally challenged person i have ever seen. I know Olberman is nice and plump, but please, do not cannibalize yourself. although, i wouldnt blame you since you seem to be mentally retarded.
- warringgael, on 05/02/2008, -3/+4Care to back that statement up? Maybe include logic in your next post?
- Neticule, on 05/02/2008, -5/+3Go watch oreilly :P
- warringgael, on 05/02/2008, -3/+3I dont like a horribly left win comedian/newsanchor, so I automatically like the polar opposite? Im after more unbiased news, not news biased in the opposite direction. O'rielly is even worse than Obermann.
- Hangly, on 05/02/2008, -2/+7I ate 'is li'l face, and I ate what he did on the rug!
- warringgael, on 05/02/2008, -2/+1WTF?
- Hangly, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1simpsons.
- warringgael, on 05/02/2008, -2/+1WTF?
- PrismoFillusion, on 05/02/2008, -2/+0Oberman and Stuart?
Lern 2 spel. - Pillage, on 05/02/2008, -2/+1And now it's time for "Great Moments in Journalism"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5qb9IkMcNvU - trloatis, on 05/03/2008, -0/+1Do you find him annoying because he is so accurate in his analysis of the administration?
- sleeknerve, on 05/02/2008, -4/+5you're a retard
- gak001, on 05/02/2008, -3/+23Watching Bush speak makes my head hurt.
- Hangly, on 05/02/2008, -1/+6He makes me dizzy. He leans like a Batman villain.
- SoulGrub, on 05/02/2008, -1/+0It's like watching David Brent do the office dance
- TheObviousChild, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1True...In Fact, he makes my pride as an American hurt.
- eth3l, on 05/02/2008, -8/+8I hate ESPN - they are totally biased to east coast teams!
- StabbyClaus, on 05/02/2008, -5/+8thanks msnbc for not stalling on rhetoric about rev. wright.
- Hangly, on 05/02/2008, -4/+13Just once in my life I would like to see something in America improve.
- flip2trip, on 05/02/2008, -9/+4Just once in my life I'd like to see people quit bitching and moaning.
- robthom, on 05/02/2008, -2/+4Methinks most elitist regimes share your sentiment.
- flip2trip, on 05/02/2008, -2/+2And your point is...?
- robthom, on 05/02/2008, -2/+4Methinks most elitist regimes share your sentiment.
- fokov, on 05/02/2008, -2/+4That will not happen as long as wanna be Christians and conservatives run things. Freedom is the only way to Heaven.
- robthom, on 05/02/2008, -1/+2"...wanna be Christians..."
At a quick glance I mistook your post for Christian bashing. But I'm glad that its not and I agree with you.
People who do bad things in the name of Christianity give the rest of us a bad rap. I wonder if Muslims feel that way. - darthschriver, on 05/02/2008, -1/+2well said rob
- serif69, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1If freedom is the only way to Heaven, then those of us who like the idea of Heaven probably shouldn't be voting for people who wish to increase the scope and power of the federal government. That includes politicians from both major parties, including Bush, Clinton, Obama...
- robthom, on 05/02/2008, -1/+2"...wanna be Christians..."
- flip2trip, on 05/02/2008, -9/+4Just once in my life I'd like to see people quit bitching and moaning.
- sleeknerve, on 05/02/2008, -5/+10Olberman does it again
- nastronomical, on 05/02/2008, -5/+2in his rear
- Pillage, on 05/02/2008, -1/+2Takes his script right from Media Matters......
- nastronomical, on 05/02/2008, -25/+4American Suicide..................Very sobering
Wherever you stand, please take the time to read this; it ought to scare
the beejeebers out of you!
We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context
his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an
immigration overpopulation conference in Washington , DC , filled to
capacity by many of America 's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant
colleg e professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his
latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and
illegal was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would
march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American
Dream.
Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and
gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America
The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the
destruction of the United States . He said, "If you believe that America
is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, t hen let's destroy America
It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages
of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and
fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations
commit suicide.'"
"Here is how they do it," Lamm said:
"First, to destroy America , turn America into a bilingual or
multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can
survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing
languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be
bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The
historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put itis way: 'The histories of
bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories
of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada , Belgium , Malaysia , and
Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press
for autonomy, if not independence . Pakistan and Cyprus have divided.
Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with
Basques, Bretons, Corsicans and Muslims."
Lamm went on:
"Second, to destroy America , invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage
immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that
all cultures are equal; that there are no cultural differences. Make it
an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due
solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other
explanation is out of bounds.
"Third, we could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without
much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As
Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent
success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural experiment might have
been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance
that once dictated ethnocentriy and what it meant to be an American, we
are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.' Lamm
said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and
culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl
metaphor. It is important to en sure that we have various cult ural
subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as
Americans, emphasizing their similarities."
"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least
educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated,
and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass
have a 50% dropout rate from high school."
"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations
and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in
ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I
would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the
fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all
minority failure on the majority plation."
"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship,
and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I
would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people
worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they
are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is
against most historical precet. People undervalue the unity it takes to
keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed
that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language
and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part
in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia , threatened their liberty.
Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors:
local patriotism and geogr aphical conditions that nurtured political
divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- >From many, one. In that
historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of
the 'Unum,' we will "Balkanize" America as surely as Kosovo.'
"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits. Make it taboo to
talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word
similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and
paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion
and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having
established multi-cultum, having the large foundations fund the doctrine
of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our
immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has
been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every
individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of
millions of them."
In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound
silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson
Davis's book 'Mexifornia.' His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to
destroy America . If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't
read that book."
There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous
cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that
room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically,
quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today.
Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the
foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even
barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation a re growing
as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third
World as corporations create a Third World in America Take note of
California and other states. To date, ten million illegal aliens and
growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that
story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building:
"War is peace," "Freedom is slavery, " and "Ignorance is strength."
Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the
conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is
deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration
monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California
wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American
Dream.
If you care for and love our country as I do, take the time to pass this
on just as I did for you.
NOTHING is going to happen if you don't!- Breyker4711, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2Yes because no nation has ever survived with several with a multicultural set up.... except maybe Canada, China, Italy, Greece, Turkey, etc....
- JoeVet, on 05/02/2008, -0/+3So what happened to the idea of this country being a melting pot of different cultures?
- Nanite, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2More copy and pasted republican talking points. When did you get this ***** emailed to you? I bet you just couldn't wait to infect the masses with your intellectual filth... I bet you didn't even do any fact checking first, just started vomiting it up to anyone near you. Disgusting. You are nothing but a political parrot, just chirping out whatever your republican overlords give you to say. Grow a ***** and balls, then a brain and think for yourself, *****.
- Breyker4711, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2Yes because no nation has ever survived with several with a multicultural set up.... except maybe Canada, China, Italy, Greece, Turkey, etc....
- GryGhost01, on 05/02/2008, -14/+6Olbermann, once again, is a tool.
- malex, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1Can you be more specific? Such as anything regarding his critique of Bush's speech?
... Or perhaps you're the kind of man who knows that the criticism must be wrong without even a moments consideration, purely on the basis that it's coming from someone who disagrees with you. And by "kind of man" here, I mean "tool."
- malex, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1Can you be more specific? Such as anything regarding his critique of Bush's speech?
- flip2trip, on 05/02/2008, -9/+1You take a big bushy mustache and put it on Olbermann---ta da Groucho Marx!
- gnomead, on 05/02/2008, -7/+1What will Olbermann do when BillO retires?
- PrismoFillusion, on 05/02/2008, -3/+0Not sure....your mom?
- Pillage, on 05/02/2008, -1/+2go back to the tub?
- Griberal, on 05/02/2008, -1/+0Have more than 2 viewers?
- OverZealousHobo, on 05/02/2008, -8/+1I agree with keith, but god is he a dick...I guess he has to be...like, when he was a child he said "I'm going to grow up and become a professional dick" at least he's a correct dick...but I wouldn't be his drinking buddy...
- Arkons24, on 05/02/2008, -1/+6Anyone else think it's pretty ***** hilarious that someone actually started one of these types of stories with a "Gotcha"?
- phrenzy, on 05/02/2008, -4/+7posts saying "I hate Olbermann" = posts saying "I can't refute the points he just made, so I'll talk about how much I hate him"
- Arkons24, on 05/02/2008, -6/+1Oh yea, and you all make me sick to my stomach.
- Evermin7, on 05/02/2008, -1/+1My sick stomach is caused by people like you. People who, in the name of America, close their eyes and accept blindly the current government.
To stand for America does not mean to stand for the current state of the American government.- Arkons24, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1My sick stomach is caused by people like you. People who, in the name of America, blindly believe anything they hear as long as it reaffirms their already established views.
To stand for America does not mean to stand and encourage hacks like Olbermann to continue their vapid commentary on our political system.
- Arkons24, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1My sick stomach is caused by people like you. People who, in the name of America, blindly believe anything they hear as long as it reaffirms their already established views.
- Evermin7, on 05/02/2008, -1/+1My sick stomach is caused by people like you. People who, in the name of America, close their eyes and accept blindly the current government.
- Pillage, on 05/02/2008, -1/+7And that's this, the 724th day since the declaration that "Karl Rove will in fact be indicted".
- Shaman760, on 05/02/2008, -2/+17No wonder the world thinks we are ***** idiots. With a leader like this, how could you not?
- kosser, on 05/02/2008, -4/+4This is all true, yet not a single person is going to do anything about it. We are all whiners and complainers, just sit around on social networks digging stuff Wahh'ing it up. Do something, then cry. If you haven't talked to your local city representatives, don't complain just take it up the ass and stfu, then watch this country crumble and become the next Mexico.
- MoDinero, on 05/02/2008, -5/+3All this politics stuff gets old real quick. Gonna go play GTA IV.
- PlaztikJeezus, on 05/02/2008, -0/+3idiocracy...
- Rotzooi, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2I dugg you up, because sarcastic or not, this is why America is in shambles.
- shiftclick, on 05/02/2008, -10/+2Olberman and the the Huffington post guys go to Obama c_ck sucking parties together. It's all over the tabloids...
- insonh, on 05/02/2008, -8/+1more people watched FOX last night
face it OReilly owns cable and all the dems are falling over themselves to get on FOX
why?
fair and ballanced!- Nanite, on 05/02/2008, -0/+3Hahaha! Hilarious!
- bgovern, on 05/02/2008, -7/+1Whether or not Bush's 'plan' will work or not, I hope people aren't fooled into thinking that The Huffington Post is an actual news source instead of the a mouthpiece.
- oboredone, on 05/02/2008, -1/+5President douche can't even speak ...
- obamayomama, on 05/02/2008, -1/+0You haven't exactly shown your eloquence either, I'll note.
- banderwocky, on 05/02/2008, -0/+3the political and economical situation in the states if pretty disgusting.
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