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- ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -10/+110giuliani has just put the nail in his own coffin
which repub is gonna shoot himself in the foot next.... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+93If Lincoln started a civil war, sowing unrest throughout the Middle East, and jacked up terrorism rates to never before seen highs, then yes.
- nokla, on 10/12/2007, -7/+83A modern day Lincoln? Well, they both suspended habeas corpus.
Hint: That's not a good thing. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+80ramiro:
>So the Middle East was a paradise of peace before the war... wow!
Compared to the rest of the Middle East, Iraq was, yes. - PATSCRU, on 10/12/2007, -8/+71hey jcm and johoshua......
PLEASE let me know what unholy substance you guys are smoking that would bring you to compare W. with Abraham Lincoln. - Paroparo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+44Looks like he's trying to get the votes of the remaining Bush supporters. A pretty bad idea considering how few they are nowadays.
- thelastcivilian, on 10/12/2007, -4/+42I dugg this story just so it could get enough exposure to be torn apart by the community.
Seriously, a great president? What's his legacy? The one thing he wanted to do - the Iraq invasion - he's failed at. Unless we're counting fattening the wallets of his friends, in which case, maybe the best president ever. I can't wait for the next war - I'ma be all over those military contractor stocks... - Itazura, on 10/12/2007, -4/+37Well that is what happens when you are part of a party that is anti-evolution, you tend to not learn from your mistakes.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34Nice knowin' ya, Rudy.
- stupidverizon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+34Giuliani is seriously not in touch with the reality.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28And they would be doing crazy things like posting metrics and statistics that show what a failure the chimp in chief has been. Crazy number lovers.
- nokla, on 10/12/2007, -6/+28Well, if you love liberty you don't have much choice but to dislike him.
- nokla, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26I guess it just shows houw out of touch Giuliani is.
- auctionwally, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24Wow Rudi, way to back the wrong horse at the wrong time. What did you do, hire John McCain's campaign manager? Get that high heeled pump out of your mouth Rudi!
- JigoroKano, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21The Republicans seem to be doing everything in their power to lose.
- dgh1973, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19This just in... Giuliani diagnosed with severe mental retardation.
- nirvanix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16There are still too many fascist psychos that like King Dubya. I can't believe that there is still 28% of the population that support this guy. That must be the same 31% that couldn't name the vice-president of the US.
As far as Guliani goes, New Yorker's hated the guy's guts before 9-11, then it seems he went grand-standing around after the event and then some marketers started calling him America's mayor! Well the truth is that NY firefighters and other 9-11 responders hate his guts even more now because his actions after the event. - chicoer2001, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Rudy get off the crack. Bush has a approval rating under 35%.
- thepompano, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17@jcm267
Rudolph Giuliani: "He will be, I believe, a president who will be viewed by history for this one decision as being a great president."
Fidel Castro: "Condemn me, it does not matter: history will absolve me." - dime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13It's good Giuliani is finally showing his true colors. Those of us living in NYC during his administration knew he was a pandering hypocritical whore...
Somehow coincidentally being mayor on 9/11 and doing what any borderline competent mayor would have done made him a national hero. Now its time for him to get back to his grassroots and spread his legs on the national stage.
Go Rudy! Hah. - cywar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12The "powers that be" can re-write history to suit them.
Kind of like the way they keep telling us ==> everythings fine...don't worry....go shopping!!
"I'm the commander guy"
I wonder how this "wonderful period of history that we are living through" will be put in the history book of America?
Why do you think Dubya is so sure history will portray him as an excellent president?
They lie..................they write history to suit their own agenda. - Murdats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11"There are too many crazy liberals that hate President Bush on this website."
so by your thinking 30% of americans like him, and defiantly less then that outside america so its still much greater then 70% of the world that must be crazy liberals
so everyone is crazy except for you hey? right! - therealrico, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19How can you blame Clinton for Waco? What did he have to do with those crazies?
- bsmang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Learning from your mistakes is one of the strongest signs of intelligence. Bush doesn't even know he's made any mistakes, let alone learning anything from them.
- JoeOfParma, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Jesus, he's really going to tank if he keeps this ***** up.
- mrrealtime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Both Giuliani AND Bush benefitted tremendously from the terrorist attacks at 9/11. They continue to accept benefit. They benefitted more than anyone in the muslim nations including Osama Bin Laden. If it werent for 9/11, bush wouldnt be president and Giuliani would be a relative nobody.
They are both greasy bastards for continuous political milking of 9/11. Greasy. - lagrange, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Attention Republicans, nobody believes your psycho neocon lies anymore.
Also a reminder, you are not going to:
Turn back time and eliminate abortion.
Turn back time and being back "the south".
Turn back time and reduce women to sexual servants.
Turn back time and make homosexuals hide in the closet.
Turn back time and be the great white masters of the world again.
The world has moved on. We are not going back, ever. - thelastcivilian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@KhyberPass
Oh, that's right, I forgot. "Mission Accomplished" - jnosanov, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Sad, amusing, and true.
- BarneyF, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@jcm267 for the record Giuliani totally busted the NYC budget. Left it with a record dificit.
- hawkeye17, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12"Bush is a modern day Lincoln"? Abe is rolling over in his grave right now. Bush could nuke Dallas tomorrow and you 28%er's would find a way to rationalize it. Grow up..and wake up while your at it.
- reed311, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I swear I'm living in the Twilight Zone.
- Motrax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@ Khyber
Funny, I don't remember wolf saying anything about how the South should have won...Nor hinting at it. I guess I just can't read between the lines. - bsmang, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7king and jcm -- you guys sound like you think you're speaking for the majority of Americans or something. Guess what?
- kluikart, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@ jigorcan
Sorry, I've tried twice to get it in the right thread! That's an interesting comment. You have to wonder if that is the plan for the elite because the bottom line is that neither party really cares about the average American. If the Democrats win, the American people will fall asleep again believing that the new party in power will fix the dastardly deeds of the previous administration. If the Dems really cared, then why haven't they called for impeachment and actually proceeded? - Morelia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Giuliani is an opportunist, always has been and always will be, until he sucks his last bit of air. He looks out after his own personal interests nothing more, nothing less. Could you imagine a world populated with egos such as his? Women are not attracted to him for his looks, that is certain! Hahahaha!
- Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6If GuiliNAZI gets into office, you can kiss freedom Goodbye.
He turned NYC into a police state and was an unholy scumbag of 7 years and 10 months. - smek2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Obama or Clinton scarier than Rudy? What are you smoking??? Seriously though, i agree, politicians are all the same. In the end, it doesn't really make a big difference. And that's what really is scary. It's almost like we've constructed our own prison and don't even realize it.
- ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7nice analogy itazura
- carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11he is in touch with the base though.
- GettinReal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I just dropped another Rudy in the toilet.
This guy is really scary. If elected he will turn America into a giant prison....for our own good of course.
I dont blame some peasants living in caves on 9-11, or jihadists, or islamo-facists.... I blame Rudy and W.
Everytime these guys talk about terrorism they get a hard on. Bottom line is that when "terror" happens, these guys become more popular. Thats a dangerous game. - wolferz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"What should Lincoln have done differently? If you were the President at the time and the South broke away and elected their own President, what would you have done? Would you have let them secede? That's all I am asking."
He should have gone to war at that point. By that point he had already made the mistakes that resulted in the need for war.
My entire point is that those mistakes could have been avoided. My entire point is that the south had no reason to succeed till Bush... I'm sorry, Lincoln... had stepped on them and told them that they WERE going to end slavery or the federal government was going to come down there and force them to.
I actually did type bush the first time, i started to erase it but realized it ties things together so well.
OK seriously now I'm gone for real. - ichbinladen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Death nail.
- w3bsmith, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Hmm ... made it to the front page ... maybe those crazy liberals like watching the Republicans make an ass out of themselves. It's definitely to their advantage.
- hays, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Oh there's a war in progress? Who did we declare war against? Better not cut funding or they might win! And by win I mean have to continue their stupid infighting without Americans getting shot up in the process.
We're effectively engaged in a peacekeeping process in Iraq. It was a war for all of 3 weeks maybe.
That peacekeeping process is not worth funding any more, because the Iraqi's have squandered every chance we gave them to create a strong and wealthy new state. *****'s, Sunni's, and Al Qaeda was to blow each other up and we've been caught in the middle for too long. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Hahaha, there goes Rudy's chance for Presidency.
The last thing this country needs is someone who praises Bush to be in control and follow in that *****'s footsteps. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10@carpespasm
No he's not... his ambiguous abortion stance, his gun control stance, his personal life are all big problems with his base.
I'm curious as to whether he's for school vouchers, as I'll take him at his word that he doesn't view gun control is something that should be done at the federal level.
I like his tax cutting, budget balancing history in NYC yet I dislike the tactics he used to cut crime in NYC (streetcorner cameras in Manhattan, eminent domain abuse, door to door police raids). Perhaps his crimefighting mindset would suit this country well with the War on Terror going on...
Is Giuliani a perfect candidate? I don't know if anyone believes that he is, but he can take several "blue" states and hold his own in the South, especially if the Democrats put forth the wrong candidate. If you'd rather see a moderate get to the white house than see the far left Democrats get full control of Congress and the Executive branch, Giuliani isn't a bad choice - wolferz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@KhyberPass
You missed the entire point. I'm not saying the south should have won.
The civil war had more effects than that and in truth the view that the civil war was about slavery is wrong. It's misinformation spread in public schools to villainize the south in the civil war so that when the north wins at the end they look like the good guys.
Slavery is wrong, inherently wrong, and is against everything that the US Constitution is meant to stand for. It was one of the major, if not THE major, issue that sparked the events leading up to the civil war. However, the civil war boils down to the rights of the states vs the powers of the federal government. Do the states have the right to make any and all decisions for themselves or can the federal government tell the states how to conduct themselves. Can the states succeed from the federal government or are the states and their lands property of the federal government. Slavery was the big issue that pushed the souths hand and put it in a position to test these questions. Anti-Slavery laws passed by Lincoln are what finally set that bomb off.
Before and during the civil war Lincoln passed many laws that have not been well liked. The policy that the American military not be turned against American citizens has to my recollection only be ignored twice in history. First by Lincoln and second by Bush. Lincoln's use of the military was much more judicious and Americans were killed. In that respect Lincoln was MUCH worse. Lincoln instituted the draft which didn't even exist till then.
The effects of laws Lincoln passed have a much more far reaching scope than just slavery and further more the south might never have tried to succeed had Lincoln tried more diplomatic methods to bring slavery to and end instead of demanding that they stop or else.
Your point is valid though, once it reached the point of civil war, with the benefit of hind sight, it could have been much worse had the civil war not been won by the north. I'm just saying the the southern states desire to succeed was a symptom of Lincoln's bad policy and decisions. - nixfu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6>Maybe, when WWI came along, the South would have had the good sense to fight alongside Germany
>instead of the French. Germany would have won the war and then conquered Russia, and we wouldn't have
>had communism. Damm! You guys are so right on. The South should have won.
Well, it makes for a **GREAT** SET OF BOOKS that follow that alternate history timeline anyway...
http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/Series666.htm - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You people don't understand how Rudy is using the word "great". I quote from dictionary.com: "3. unusual or considerable in degree, power, intensity, etc.: great pain." Indeed, Bush is a great pain, wielding an unusual and considerable amount of power.
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