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- littlebylittle, on 10/11/2007, -21/+107We used to be the Nation that stood against this kind of thing. These Losers leading our country have Bastardized everything we once stood for. I have no tolerance for Fascists.
Oh I'm sorry. Is that Politically Incorrect to say?
Look up what fascism really means if you never have. - hiphoc, on 10/11/2007, -15/+81Amazing, politicians are actually saying on TV that they condone torturing human beings. Its as if they will do anything to protect government power, or American blood is more sacred that others. Their policies are whats causing the hatred and spilling of US blood. So their answer is to spill more blood. Or as White House Counsel John Yoo says "crush the testicles of children with pliers". As crazy as Hitler was he did his dirt in the dark of night. As crazy as Stalin and Mao were, they didnt run/campaign on torture death and eternal wars between Oceania and Eurasia. So if these madmen kept their torture and death somewhat behind closed doors. How much worse are things going to be here when all pres candidates aside from Ron Paul are advocating war and continual war and torture as foreign policy.
What if a muslim leader starts saying "hey we need to attack Amerika over there, so they dont attack us here", vote for me or we will have another Iraqi invasion except it will be on our soil." We would think they were ***** nuts.
The scariest part was the audience clapping about fictional characters and ticking time bombs and things the CIA says are usually not the case. Notice that one person Ron Paul is speaking about following laws (Constitution) and international laws and State laws. I want everyone to remember all the dictator laws Jorge Boosh has passed, Patriot act, Military commissions, getting rid of habeas corpus. Bush may not use these laws, but the next person will have them in his arsenal. The purpose of Bushs presidency was to be the fall guy for unpopular laws and ideas, then let the next demon take over the chariot of death called the Amerikan Empire. Even if Ron Paul cant win. His presence is exposing the Fox News shills, the Hannity and Limbaugh shills. The longer the candidates don't answer tough questions, the more Paul exposes them as one horse/one topic war mongers. Almost every candidate is saying the same ***** disguised as different bags of *****.
We don't need new policies or laws. We need to follow the constitution. Certain parts of this country people cant smoke in their cars. But ***** bag politicians can break as many laws as they wish. We all need to pray/Positive thoughts, burn candles/ sacrifice chickens whatever. But something has got to stop this machine. Look in the mirror folks. This system will last only as long as we choose to bend over and ***** over and over again as long as the person has a D or an R behind their name.
This massive bukakke gang bang of the American people must stop. - flernk, on 10/11/2007, -21/+72What is far more frightening is how loudly the crowd cheered when these candidates vowed to torture our prisoners. What the hell is wrong with people?
- littlebylittle, on 10/11/2007, -13/+62Serious Question: If we torture, how are we any better than those we label evil?
- jamie1415, on 10/11/2007, -26/+57It is stuff like this that makes people hate us for reason. We know what we think of extremists (9/11 and no comparison at all) but I'm almost sure that "immanent death" qualifies as extreme to someone else. I wouldn't like it....
- futureb, on 10/11/2007, -25/+55ignore the rhetoric. islamic extremists don't hate us because of our *freedom*. they don't kill us because of our *way of life*. they are fighting against very specific american foreign policies. but if we were to acknowledge that, we may be forced to change those policies.
this is the heart of the HUGE strategic error committed by the bush administration. instead of containing the enemy by limiting our conflict to a specific set of issues in a small number of countries, they escalated the war by turning the conflict into a battle over the future of modern society. in doing so we have elevated a fringe islamic group to superpower status.
"Know your enemy and know yourself and you can fight a hundred battles without disaster."
--Sun Tzu - dasilva333, on 10/11/2007, -18/+47Giuliani sounds to me like another bush, he better not be elected if the american people have any intelligence...
- dukeeeey, on 10/11/2007, -11/+36we aren't.
- gharding, on 10/11/2007, -5/+25Uh.. torturing is the most idiotic form of interrogation. It only ends with what the interrogator wants to hear, not the truth. I'd tell you I got horse AIDs by ass-***** Seabiscuit's corpse if it meant the torture would stop.
- michaelb1, on 10/11/2007, -4/+23Its an absurd question.
There will NEVER EVER EVER be a situation where a terrorist is strapped to a chair in a govt building somewhere, and he knows where the nukes are and the only way to save the children is to torture him. Even if this situation did exist outside of a TV show writers mind, the terrorist would not tell. He would lie.
Give me a break. You watch too much TV. - bimtott, on 10/11/2007, -2/+20Better correct your last statement. We are now, and have always been, at war with Eastasia. That kind of ThoughtCrime can get you sent to Room One-Zero-One faster than you can sip your Victory Coffee.
- michaelb1, on 10/11/2007, -6/+22Giuliani is attaching his cart to the wrong horse. Does he not see the sleeping tiger is starting to awaken?
America is finally waking up to whats been happening since 2001 and this guy is still spouting the "they hate us for our freedom" *****.
Rudy -
A lot of people know that Al queda attacked us on 9/11 as a response to our foreign policy not for some marketing sound bite that uses the words "evil", "hate", "axis", "freedom" etc.
A lot of people know that you didn't do all that much on 9/11 except walk around with a dust mask and do interviews because you insisted your crisis response center be built inside the biggest terrorist target in the city.
A lot of people resent the suspension of Habeus Corpus, domestic spying, and the utter hypocrisy of the torture policy.
This is incredible. Its like a candidate following Nixons discrace by running the same campaign.
- SpaceDreamer, on 10/11/2007, -6/+21" Audience Applauds " are the key words that should be in the title.
It's not shocking that politicians offer what the audience wants.
What is shocking is that the audience approves of torture in the first place. - MadMaxx426, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18I highly recommend everyone buying their guns now...because, ladies and gents, we're getting damn close to a very very bad state of affairs.
- tazx, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18“No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.” —The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 5 (1948)
- Voted overwhelmingly by the UN general assembly; the Soviet Bloc and Saudi Arabia abstaining
http://www.ohchr.org/english/law/cat.htm
Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, New York, 10 December 1984 - Signed & ratified by USA
http://hrw.org/campaigns/torture.htm
http://www.amnestyusa.org/Torture/Get_Involved/page.do?id=1031009&n1=3&n2=38&n3=1053
http://www.usawatch.org/archives/cat_us_torture.html - jamie1415, on 10/11/2007, -11/+25I'm on your side - I live/was born in Texas. I believe extremists are the worst people ever. I also believe that you need to have a higher ground or a morality to call a people or a person a terrorist. To call someone else a terrorist means that you have a higher authority and that you condone "terror" and aren't guilty of anything that could be held against you as such.
- dukeeeey, on 10/11/2007, -5/+18and if the goverment thought you were a terrorist and a threat
you would aprove of this ?
'whatever it takes'
'america ***** yeah'
? - gini1, on 10/11/2007, -3/+16@VRFour
>The candidates were asked if they would support "enhanced interrogation techniques" under a scenario in which a nuclear
>device has gone off in the United States, more nuclear devices are about to go off, and we have some of the terrorists
>responsible for the attacks in our custody. Think Progress conveniently forget to mention this.
Politics of Fear anyone? That must be the must ***** up question ever presented to a presidential candidate. - flernk, on 10/11/2007, -6/+19@xGORDOx
I watched the entire debate and was disgusted by them. Torture is almost always useless and is ALWAYS immoral. It makes me sick that those who condone torture the loudest are Christians. Christ said "Do good to those who hate you" and never EVER said "...unless circumstances are extraordinary, then ignore what I said and torture the hell out of them."
If I'm a moron because I believe that Christ literally meant what He literally said, then count me in. My vote will go to those who don't torture our prisoners. - spindrift, on 10/11/2007, -8/+20@therightside
The sad thing about Digg is that sometimes you really can't tell if someone's being sarcastic. - MAdaXe42, on 10/11/2007, -3/+159/11 was bad. Hitler is plotting to kill Jesus. Can I have some money now?
- SwissCamel, on 10/11/2007, -10/+21The irony is, when I was waterboarding Giuliani he was acting like a complete pussy about it.
- zioxide, on 10/11/2007, -5/+16***** idiots. Torture is not an effective interrogation method. If you get any information, it's just going to be lies to try to get you to stop the torturing.
- EntropyMan, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13The correct answer IMO to the question of "a bomb about to go off" is:
If I knew a person had information that could save countless lives and the only way to get it was to torture him, I would do _whatever_ was necessary to save those lives. However, I would clearly be breaking the law, and as such, I would expect to meet the consequences, especially if I turned out to be mistaken. If the American people, the Congress, or a court of law, having all of the facts and some calm time to deliberate, felt I was in error, I would resign and meet my punishment. But the law should always remain that torture is illegal. - synaesthesia, on 10/11/2007, -5/+15Maybe the US should adopt a policy like city police departments do- In order to taser someone, you must first be subjected to a tasering. In order to pepper spray, you must be subjected to a pepperspraying. In the same way, in order for a US official to authorize waterboarding, they could be subjected to it themselves- its nonlethal and causes no bodily harm, just severe discomfort.
- VRFour, on 10/11/2007, -5/+15I'm not sure why you're getting buried because you're absolutely correct.
The candidates were asked if they would support "enhanced interrogation techniques" under a scenario in which a nuclear device has gone off in the United States, more nuclear devices are about to go off, and we have some of the terrorists responsible for the attacks in our custody. Think Progress conveniently forget to mention this.
Giuliani danced around the question and never outright said that he supports "water boarding," just that he supports "enhanced interrogation techniques."
In similar fashion, McCain never outright said that he opposes "enhanced interrogation techniques" but said that he opposes torture.
It's all rhetoric and to try to spin it either way is foolish. - misfit410, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12Not one of you idiots knows what torture is, the methods we use are humane but effective. I'd love to know
why all of you who are so appalled by it, who run your ignorant little traps about how "This causes them to hate us", where the ***** are your objections when they behind innocent civillians? where are you objections to Iraqs rape rooms? why were you not bothered that our soldiers were letting children out of cages when we first arrived?
IGNORANCE IS BLISS!! - vertinox, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11Actually, in WWII it was proven that you get more information by positive reinforcement than negative.
Many information officers got a good deal of reliable information out of Japanese POWs (who you would think would commit suicide before caving in) by simply talking with them, sharing cigarettes and chocolates, and playing card games with them. Since Japanese POWs were few and far inbetween they usually had no one else to talk to and quickly bonded with their US captors.
Had we been torturing them, they might simply just made up information thinking it would help their country fight these monsters. - mastershake1, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12Why stop at waterboarding? What if waterboarding wouldn't work but sawing the guy's arm off would? Would you saw off his arm to save millions of lives?
What if the guy is impervious to physical torture, but if you rape or kill his wife or children, that would save millions of lives. Acceptable?
I have no idea how anyone can claim to be pro-life and then turn around and endorse a kill-to-save mentality. At least Guliani doesn't pretend to be anything but inconsistent. - hawkeye17, on 10/11/2007, -14/+22We are sacrificing basic American values in this country to fight the 'war on terror'. THAT is exactly what the Bin Laden's of the world were looking for us to do in the aftermath of 9/11. Bush is allowing the terrorists to win when we resort to the use of torture, wiretapping without warrants, etc. These men who support the use of torture reveal themselves to be men of little moral integrity. Everyone in this country should be sickened by these men's words and instead...the Righties applaud. I fear for our nation's future.
- BeefBaron, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Let us waterboard Giuliani, see how he feels about it then.
- Spencer10, on 10/11/2007, -5/+12Anybody taking bets on how many times he will mention 9/11 before the election?
- vertinox, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9@"Would you support waterboarding captured terrorists? "
No because torturing said terrorists would give us unreliable information and possibly lead the authorities on a wild goose chase.
Remember, if you torture someone... They'll start confessing to things that aren't even true. Next they'll just assume they know more about the plot and give out information and names of people that had nothing to do with the bombs.
So we kick down a door of his neighbor while the actual bomb is a thousand miles away.
Secondly, you can't say for sure if you know that torturing someone will prevent the next bomb. Either they know or not... But you don't know if they know. Even if they do know torturing may provide the wrong or exaggerated information. - DavidYeah, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9And so you're going to be using torture to gather intelligence, which has never, ever produced any actionable intelligence beyond unreliable? You hardliners talk a great game, but your views buck up against a reality that says torture doesn't work.
Winning a moral victory by not torturing is merely cherry on top of a victory of not wasting resources on questionable intelligence. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Torture is a crime.
Torture is wrong.
This isn't a debate. - purdueAl, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10@ukyedu
A terrible tragedy indeed happened in his back yard, but that does not give him the right to torture. By your logic, the torture victims (who are usually innocent btw), or those who live in the backyard of the victims, then have the right to torture Giuliani, etc. Someone needs to break the cycle of violence. - Hetman, on 10/11/2007, -6/+12I say its to late to even be considering torture at that point. Obviously someone willing to kill themselfs in a nuclear explosion is not going to give up any usefull information under torture.
- Tigrou, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10So...if American bombers hit my house, kill my wife and children, and I decide to capture a US solider to find out what the next attack plans are so I can maybe get my brother's family out of the way, then I'm free to torture that and you won't complain? That's just "new warfare".
I mean it's either one, or the other... - dukeeeey, on 10/11/2007, -22/+28living in England ..
I can say for sure that 7/7 was an inside job.
The most obvious give away was the fact they just happened to be running a drill on that day where the exact same trains and the exact same bus would get hit at the exact same times and locations. And 'strangely' as this drill was running the events unfolded. This was casually announced a few times in the mainstream press then forgotten about ever since.
You can see a video of it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Unxs_-J4p8
So it was no surprise to me when Blair or Bliar as we like to call him flat out refused to have an independent 7/7 inquiry. - combustion8, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9yep and imagine if these care bear pussies were around durring WW2, we'd all be speaking german right now.
- kaiser44, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7I'm just talking about water boarding, my ***** brothers did that ***** to me but they called it teaching me how to hold my breath.
America has turned in to a country of sensitive women.
How are we ever going to win a war when we do not let are little precious children play dodge ball on the playground at school.
This country is screwed. - IslandDog, on 10/11/2007, -5/+10"You people are complete idiots. "
They are young liberals, not much of a difference. They think the global warming myth is more of a danger than islamic terrorism, and they worry more about what some other idiot in France thinks about them. - ATHEISTinHELL, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@cornswalled
we did not need extreme interrogation tactics to stop 9/11. it happened because of gross incompetence and lack of communication from the FBI and CIA. try reading the 9/11 commission report. so whats the administrations plan lets create another organization (department of homeland security) to confuse the whole situation. - mastershake1, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9Tancredo and Guliani are a couple of pansies for relying on platitudes like "do whatever it takes" and "we need Jack Bauer." Which is it - would you allow torture, or wouldn't you? It's pathetic that these guys rail against political correctness so much, yet they REFUSE to directly say what they believe. Stop with the stupid soundbites and be honest for once.
- danarama, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Whatever 'technique' they employ the point is EXTREME DURESS. you can do this any number of ways and it kills people and seriously traumatizes the most innocent of people. They'll employ it on anyone in any circumstance regardless of guilt or not. There's men who are stopped at road checks in Iraq on their way to work who are jailed and TORTURED because of a shovel and a cell phone. It's wrong and if you want to get specif you arn't going to get any decent information from them anyway. Terrorizing people with even the threat of this is terrorism.
- purdueAl, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9@cornswalled
"The administration has announced that it's foiled seven 9/11 scale attacks in the last six years thanks to the intelligence information they've gathered through extreme interrogation tactics."
Look! it says "gullible" in the sky! - yogiri, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9I love the differences between the questions asked to presidential candidates in your country and mine:
Mine: "Will you improve education? How about health? Job opportunuties, a better ground for bussiness?"
Yours: "If some terrorist wants to kill you and rape your daughter, would you rip off his head and drink its blood?"
And pardon my english ^_^ - Dustin00, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8In the scenario they were given, they are screwed. You are simply not going to get the information you need in that short of a time. You'll get nothing, then you'll get lies, and then it will be too late.
- clearzen, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7But as Americans shouldn't we have a higher moral standard than the radicals we are fighting? Shouldn't we uphold what our constitution advocates and respect the people we are fighting as humans with basic rights? Torture is not a proper treatment for any human.
- shootdashit, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6i agree. the "christians" clapping don't understand this because it's not gift-wrapped in an unborn baby package. THIS IS A MORAL ISSUE. we should not be torturing people.
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