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- inactive, on 08/28/2008, -6/+66FTA: But what is clear is that America's unipolar moment has passed - and the new world order heralded by Bush's father in the dying days of the Soviet Union in 1991 is no more.
Let's hope he's right. - wikisky, on 08/28/2008, -8/+59Great article. Unfortunately such articles are never appearing on front pages of US and UK medias filled with junk like "Europe must stand up to Russia", "Russian aggression..." or "Poor democratic Georgia is under attack...". Probably publishers are too worry about their readers that they wouldn't swallow article if there more than two colors - black and white.
- murk, on 08/28/2008, -5/+56Its easy to reject a country's independence when its not your own.
Most (if not all) cnn/fox/bbc viewers don't have a goddamn clue about where South Ossetia is or of the tensions that have always existed in the region. The 1400 (conservative estimate) civilians murdered during Georgia's invasion make up about 2% of the population of South Ossetia.
What if 6 million (2%) americans were murdered in a 9/11 type attack?
But FOX news still only reports on the 90 or so georgian victims from an accidental russian bombing of an apartment complex.
Digg me down, I dont give a *****. My country is now recognized by Russia, my family's house in Tskhinvali is still standing (albeit with no roof). Im happy.
bush's and his freedom crusaders only care about freedom when their own ass is on the line. - eviltandem, on 08/28/2008, -6/+44Weird. Almost like the rest of the world resents that we treat them like our play-thing. Don't they understand we just conquer and kill them for their own good?
- inactive, on 08/28/2008, -7/+40"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it.
The only question is whether World Government will be achieved
by conquest or consent." -James Paul Warburg (while speaking before the United States Senate, February 17, 1950)
(1896-1969) son of Paul Moritz Warburg, nephew of Felix Warburg and of Jacob Schiff, both of Kuhn, Loeb & Co. which poured millions into the Russian Revolution through James' brother Max, banker to the German government, Chairman of the CFR - TheImaginator, on 08/28/2008, -3/+35I agree with the whole article - right on the (oil) money.
- DoctorDiamond, on 08/28/2008, -2/+30Particularly striking note from the article:
"As Kishore Mahbubani, Singapore's former UN ambassador, observed in the Financial Times a few days ago, 'most of the world is bemused by western moralising on Georgia.' While the western view is that the world 'should support the underdog, Georgia, against Russia ... most support Russia against the bullying west. The gap between the western narrative and the rest of the world could not be clearer.'" - olliholliday, on 08/28/2008, -4/+26Superb article.
- joeisacoolguy, on 08/28/2008, -3/+21Good for Russia sticking up for itself and refusing to be pushed around by US foreign policy. It's too bad more countries don't do the same. Of course then they might get "liberated" like Iraq. Good luck "liberating" Russia. But of course, like a true bully, the US only attacks much smaller, weaker countries where victory is guaranteed.
- freshgrease, on 08/28/2008, -6/+24I hope Russia knocks sense into the smug bastards in Washington. I'm tired of fighting wars as the world's police.
- joeisacoolguy, on 08/28/2008, -3/+20Good for Russia sticking up for itself and refusing to be pushed around by US foreign policy. It's too bad more countries don't do the same. Of course then they might get "liberated" like Iraq. Good luck "liberating" Russia. But of course, like a true bully, the US only attacks much smaller, weaker countries where victory is guaranteed.
- Theisos, on 08/28/2008, -1/+15Your version of WWII is very sad. The Russians destroyed up to 80% of Germany's land forces. They took heavy losses but without their enormous sacrifice - the Germans would have crushed Europe despite the intervention of the US. America's lending to Russia during the war was negligible, considering that most attribute Russia's victory to their own enormous production power. The West did a fine job of downplaying Russia's role in World War II during the Cold War. You're a product of a regrettable propaganda.
- murk, on 08/28/2008, -1/+15hey pweegar, try having your city bombed and your relatives sitting in basements without electricity or running water.
actually, just go back to watching fox. - inactive, on 08/28/2008, -2/+15hi. american here. the person i voted for has done everything to run my country into the ground, yet i voted for him again, and as he's beating the last nail into the coffin, i still defend him. even though i dont support the war in iraq, i still support the troops and all the horrible acts they commit in a country we shouldn't even be in. i'm very nationalistic, but because of negative connotations of that word, i use another word: patriotic. because the education system in my country is so flawed and pathetic, i don't know much about the world, so i rely on credible sources like fox news, cnn, and bbc to teach me. even though i claim i support freedom and independence for all, when it comes to countries that favor russia over the us this rule doesn't apply. i'm a proud american, though what i'm proud of exactly i couldn't tell you.
- BooLag, on 04/23/2009, -0/+12They hate us for our freedom!
- dcbpe, on 08/28/2008, -0/+12Russia got an ass kicking in WW2? In what parallel universe? Sure they lost a whole lot of people, but they also took over all of eastern Europe. They came out better than anyone except the USA.
Freshgrease didn't say anything to support Russia, or their hegemony in the region. He said we in the USA need to stop acting like the World Police...these things are worlds apart. Especially now...we are borrowing money to maintain an empire in decline while the Russian's and the Chinese are making money hand over fist to support construction of new ones.
If we had any strategic brains, we'd back off and let the Russians and Chinese fight it out.
If we Americans want our Republic to last another few centuries we need to stop worrying about what the Russian's are doing in Georgia and take care of our own problems. - Dragoslav, on 08/28/2008, -1/+13This article sums things up very well
- SpamBuntu, on 08/28/2008, -0/+11"The Russian message was unmistakable: the outcome of the war triggered by Georgia's attack on South Ossetia on August 7 is non-negotiable - and nothing the titans of the US empire do or say is going to reverse it. After that, the British foreign secretary David Miliband's posturing yesterday in Kiev about building a "coalition against Russian aggression" merely looked foolish."
wow, reading this in western press... it's so surprisingly... objective. - vxp19, on 08/28/2008, -3/+14Wonderful article, agree with it fully.
- murk, on 08/28/2008, -4/+15this would have been a genocide if Russia wouldn't intervene.
- Paulginz, on 08/28/2008, -2/+12I think percentages are the best gross estimate for the psychcological impact of death.
Equal percentages imply equal chances that friends and family get killed or that the destruction is witnessed first hand.
So, yeah. It's reasonable to say that Ossetians should be equally pissed off at Georgians killing 2% of their population as Americans should be if 2% of their population were killed.
If it were raw numbers of deaths that mattered, regardless of groupings such as nations, then the hundreds of thousands of Iraqui civilians dead as a direct or indiret result of the war should get more air-time than the 4000 or so american soldiers killed. This simply doesn't happen because each group cares for it's own with very limited interest in what happens to others. - SirReally, on 08/28/2008, -0/+10The fact that he happens to come from the UK doesn't in any way compromise his ability to be objective or insightful.
- neurobox, on 08/28/2008, -6/+15Let's hope this isn't just part of the show, and the start of something "bigger." That's the level of manipulation these people plan for. You bet Bush & Co would see "America" fried if it suited their cause, just as I'm sure they'd still benefit financially, wherever they run off to.
Anyone notice Obama calling for NWO in Germany (see youtube), and Presidents of Georgia as well as Turkey both saying that what's "needed" is something like a new world order (again, see youtube). I'm not sure how many layers deep the politics go, but now that we're used to being force-fed disinformation, who knows? - Graug, on 08/28/2008, -7/+16Suppose that there was not unipolar world until now because of impetuous development of such world powers as China and India and gradual rise of Russia.
But georgian's agression (organised by the USA) has just convinced the rest world about multipolarity. I wanna believe that the United States do not get involve in ventures that could push them deeper in the hole of break-up. - JPHR, on 08/28/2008, -0/+9Do you remember Bush, you know that guy who considered it absolutely necessary to go to Iraq even if he had to misinterpret intelligence with respect to WMD and may even have used fabricated evidence with respect to the Osama-Hussein link. That is the same guy who thought it funny to produce a video looking for WMD's in his office. How much lives has this "decider" on his conscience? That's the same guy, who after after arming and training Georgia and inciting nationalistic tensions, still thinks that the world will take him seriously when he takes the moral high ground. The Russians in the UN responded with quite appropriate rudeness to the USA envoy trying the same approach. By the way Georgia is only a sideshow in comparison with Bush letting the ABM treaty lapse against the wish of the Russians.
Support Vincent Bugliosi (google for his book, which most major publishers did not want to touch afraid of your democratic government). Forget impeachment, but go for criminal proceedings. - regeya, on 08/28/2008, -0/+9Certainly Russia, China, and other nations have no intentions of global imperialist expansion.
- joeisacoolguy, on 08/28/2008, -4/+12The original poster was being sarcastic. HELLO!!
Do you want to know why the rest of the world disdains you? It's because your government has trampled over other people/countries to further its own agenda (read: enhance profits of American corporations) I could go on forever, but there just isn't enough time or space on this message board. - hamobu, on 08/28/2008, -0/+8Not to mention the fact that Russia has nuclear weapons. I dont know about you, but I do not think that Georgia is worth risking the end of the world
- trollick, on 08/28/2008, -1/+9Glad to see that informed people still write articles. I was kinda tired of all that "Russia - bears, USA - Jesus" crap.
- Riccallo, on 08/28/2008, -1/+9Though the Guardian is a well known and read UK media source... I have no doubt there will be a corisponding piece in the actual newspaper.
- Napiertt, on 08/28/2008, -0/+8I don't see them with troops in foreign countries thousands of miles away that they invaded 5 years earlier
- 1ncu3us, on 08/28/2008, -1/+9That would be true if USA = NWO .. but unfortunately it's bigger than just the US
I can only hope that Russia really is opposing the NWO - ubundriva, on 08/28/2008, -0/+7When making a comment like this , you have to consider China's position on various issues, not just the Russia-Georgia incident: China has two autonomous regions that are plagued by increasing separatism: Tibet and Xinjiang. Although China is not a puny state like Georgia, they would still perfer that no one meddles with their affairs, especially at a time when ethnic tension and terrorism (mostly from Uyghur militant groups) are making things really ugly.
See, every move made by a major power is calculated, It's all about their own interests. Arguing who is right and who is wrong is pointless when it comes to politics. - hammelman, on 08/28/2008, -0/+7Vatican City, San Marino, Monaco, Liechtenstein, Tuvalu, Nauru, Palau, Saint Kitts & Nevis, Marshall Islands, Antigua & Barbuda, Dominica, Andorra. All countries with a population smaller than South Ossetia.
- eviltandem, on 08/28/2008, -3/+10Good thing we got in the middle of it then! I'm quite sure after 2000 years of killing each other all they really needed was some of us to kill. I suspect kittens, rainbows, and peace to rain out of the sky any day now. Those typically follow unilateral military invasions of sovereign nations.
That seems to have fixed things right up. $4 trillion dollars, and it looks the same to me now as it did before we spent all these lives and money. - bffoley, on 08/28/2008, -1/+8Gee, aren't you guys glad our military is tied up in a unnecessary war with an unforeseeable end? Even if we had a good reason to put boots on the ground in Georgia, we couldn't. And Russia knows this.
- BotchaMcCoola, on 08/28/2008, -2/+9Bush and the Neocons cut and run pretty fast from countries that have actual military power. My my, how brave and patriotic they are, and what fine support of NATO.
- scabbers, on 08/28/2008, -1/+7What year do you think this is?
- neurobox, on 08/28/2008, -0/+6just let's hope they do it covertly.. not on a mass scale... please
- apackofmonkeys, on 08/28/2008, -3/+9Don't you know that the Middle East was a lush grassland with unicorns and everybody lived in one big love-commune until Bush stuck his nose over there?
- Modulo, on 08/28/2008, -1/+7pweegar, you may be the only person I've ever seen on the internet that has said something that makes you look so unbelievably stupid that you might technically be able to sue yourself for defamation.
- devophl, on 08/28/2008, -1/+7Bush has had a consistent foreign policy.
1) The US will not negotiate with his enemies - Why would you if you are the world's single superpower. The neo-con's main international doctrine is to use this superpower status to expand the US's influence around the world. We did break with this to a certain extent with North Korea but Bush has been consistent with other groups.
2) Use the threat of military action to persuade countries to give in to US interests. Or in the case if Iraq, just invade and take out the rogue government. If the State Department now essentially works for the Pentagon, you really have no other way to work with countries.
3) Expand NATO and isolate Russia. Bush has spent 7+ years all but ignoring Russia and recently doing all it can to antagonize them. The neo-cons believe Russia's days on the world stage are over and the Bush administration is doing all it can to minimize Russia's role in the world stage. McCain has vowed to take this a step further.
4) Expand cooperation with countries US corporations have strategic interests in. This is mostly oil and natural gas interests. This is why we're in most of the old Soviet republics, in Iraq, and even Afghanistan (which has been key to a natural gas pipeline to India). Its interesting that we took out Saddam Hussein because he would cooperate in the oil markets, flooding it with cheap oil to pay off his war debts and try to overcome sanctions. We are cooperating with China even though 40 years ago we would have isolated a communist country like them.
If you look at Georgia, this region has been disputed for a long time. That whole region is so fragmented, its tough to draw any boundaries. The huge oil pipeline going through Georgia is why we were in there to begin with. If it weren't for that, Russia's actions would have been mostly ignored. - ISEEDEADPEOPLE, on 08/28/2008, -0/+6Dude don't be so Gullible, Russia didn't invade Georgia.
Georgia attacked South Ossetia and as the Russians recognise that as an independent nation they agreed to help defend Ossetia, but as it is a disputed area the western media have decided to stir up the crap and claim the Russians have invaded.
Have a little read up before you just believe everything you read?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_wa ...
Bet you believe the Chinese Liberated Tibet too! - Aethirig, on 08/28/2008, -0/+6It might be good to remember "those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it" as well as "the sun never sets on the British empire."
- neurobox, on 08/28/2008, -1/+6Freedom? No it's called Liberty... as in granted certain revocable permissions, as long as you pay for "protection"..
- hammelman, on 08/28/2008, -0/+5Pweegar, grow up. Top Gun came out a long time ago and the world has changed a lot since then. They're not commies anymore, much like we are not the shining beacon of democracy we once were.
- Stonekeeper, on 08/28/2008, -0/+4"In fact, we should have interfered to protect Ossetians, telling Georgia to back off."
Do the words "Arab problem, arab solution" ring any bells or are you too young? - joeisacoolguy, on 08/28/2008, -1/+6I think you've got it backwards, the US wants another cold war with Russia. After all, they're going to have to sell large military spending to the American people somehow.
- neurobox, on 08/28/2008, -2/+7Let the world disdain the US gov't then.. which is so far removed from the interests of it's people that they are also outraged yet trapped in a useless "two-party system," which unfortunately puts on a good show..
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