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- Verchiel77, on 07/01/2008, -17/+89This is called "a spine."
Dems take note... - michaelpinto, on 07/01/2008, -25/+78http://www.groupnewsblog.net/2008/06/wes-clark-is- ...
"Clark is right, just because McCain managed to lose 5 Navy aircraft and get himself shot down on one of his first combat flights doesn't make him Mr Foreign Policy guy, in fact his grasp on foreign policy to date has left me about as comfortable as I would be with him in the pilot seat of an aircraft." - inactive, on 07/01/2008, -19/+64It infuriates me when people get so indignant about this. HE SPOKE THE TRUTH.
Getting shot down in a plane does not qualify you to be president. It's like saying getting your lemonade stand jacked qualifies you to be CEO of a fortune 500 company.
Yes, he deserves some 'street cred', that's it. - zoezack, on 07/01/2008, -21/+51Wes Clark for VP!
- supachick, on 07/01/2008, -22/+49
GO WES! - known, on 07/01/2008, -4/+32
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you. --Oscar Wilde - parabolee, on 07/01/2008, -37/+60Right on Wesley Clark! He is my pick for VP, shame Obama just stabbed him in the back! For shame Barack!
- ADVIZR, on 07/01/2008, -5/+22Obama's actions were fine. Try running for president. See how long you last in the face of nonstop lies and neocon propaganda that misleads and distorts every single thing your side does. Obama mitigated the artificial hysteria that the neocons created over it.
There are no ideal situations and actions when you attempt to earn votes from the majority. We're up against a mainstream media that *wants* a close race and a fist fight; so they go easy on McCain and sensationalize everything. Anyway, the neocons are doing what they do best: lying and creating fear. Such hysteria, left unchecked, impresses upon a lot of "sheeple" who lack basic logic and reasoning. - Cuchanu, on 07/01/2008, -6/+23I don't think anybody was stabbed in the back. I'm sure there was a phonecall that went something like, "Hey Wes; You know I have to denounce what you said, right?" "Of course"
- musique913, on 07/01/2008, -18/+33I'm sorry, but commanding a large Navy Squadron is more than Barack Obama has done.
Obama was right to back off from these comments. McCain is a decorated veteran, and his veteran experience is certainly a vaild measure of experience, especially his leadership, while in the Navy. - Shiftgood, on 07/01/2008, -10/+25oldhick,
you know WHY he has to denounce him for speaking his mind? b/c of hicks. Uneducated south/midwestern voters that like to jump on "gotcha" games like flag pins, race, religion and patriotism. It would be devastating to his chances to not sink down and play the games at the "hick" level of intelligence. - WasabiBomb, on 07/01/2008, -6/+21When all you've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
I'd much rather have a President whose first response in any situation isn't "send in the troops". - Goddesscon2001, on 07/01/2008, -16/+30Serving in the military does not instantly make you capable of being the commander-in-chief ...that was the point Wes was making..and he should know being a FOUR STAR GENERAL...who also served in Viet Nam and returned home on a stretcher...
One hero speaking about another hero..but This hero went on to serve his nation for many more years in more war zones then McCain...and by the way..never crashed even one plane..
McCain on the other hand is more of an elitist then Obama could ever be...McCain..the son and grandson of generals..would NEVER have attained that high of a position in the Navy..which means he actually is NOT made up of the stuff it takesto be POTUS..
Wes Clark spoke the truth..and if McCain wants to run on experience of being in the military then it should be looked at with a fine toothed comb as they did John Kerry...
The Swift boat floats both ways..... - Timetheos, on 07/01/2008, -20/+34How do we show Wes our support?
- WasabiBomb, on 07/01/2008, -11/+25More than flying a plane does, anyway.
- Geiiga, on 07/01/2008, -14/+26Absolutely. Obama may not want to take pot shots at McBush's military career, but the fact that it's been basically the only thing he's had to run on, all his other views conflicting with prior statements (or, in the case of contraception, 'Brian, find out what my position is') it's fair game.
And seriously, what Clark said is absolutely true. Finishing in the bottom 1% of your class at Annapolis, then having daddy get you the best assignment in the Navy, then crashing a bunch of airplanes is not experience applicable to winning the Oval Office. In fact, the only job where that experience would matter one way or another is for a job at an airline, where I hope it would be disqualifying. - robopuppy, on 07/02/2008, -1/+12My dad was in Vietnam. He was in a helicopter with 2 of his squad and 2 pilots up front flying the helicopter. At some point, the helicopter was shot down. As the helicopter crashed, my dad jumped out into a big thicket of bushes and wasn't seriously injured. Not so fortunate were the others in the helicopter. He went back to the helicopter and found 2 of them seriously injured: I believe broken necks or backs. My dad proceeded to carry both of them to a rendezvous point where they were airlifted to safety. While carrying them out, my dad was shot in the butt. Yeah, he's basically Forrest Gump. I know, pretty cool, yeah? He eventually got a bronze star, silver star, and a purple heart for these actions.
My dad is a really great guy, one of my favorite people. He's gone on to be one of the best lawyers in Arizona, and has received several awards for his efforts. Could he be president? Yeah, probably, but getting to the presidency means a lot of political swindling and bending and breaking of your core beliefs just to get elected. My dad is not that kind of man. He doesn't use his war experience to further his position. In fact, he prefers not to talk about it at all. That is what I call quiet dignity. My dad knows he's a great man for what he did, and he doesn't throw it in your face or use it as a reason for his accomplishments or an excuse for his shortcomings.
I guess we differ on our definitions of leadership. Compromising personal convictions means you can't even lead yourself. What happened to you, McCain? Oh wait... ROVE! (shakes fist) - inactive, on 07/01/2008, -6/+17I'm not voting for them either.
- vault, on 07/01/2008, -10/+22But serving for 3 years as a senator does qualify you to be president?
- publiclurker, on 07/02/2008, -2/+13It's not torture it's enhanced interrogation. Get with the program.
- briankoenig03, on 07/01/2008, -3/+13You're bringing *age* into this? Really?
- gasoline, on 07/01/2008, -2/+12I've met him and in no way is he bitter.
- Disregard, on 07/01/2008, -5/+14American's just can't get past the military worship.
It was a stupid needless war of aggression, but he "wore the uniform dammit!. He stepped up to the call, got in the plane and did what need to be done. Sure, he crashed that same plane shortly afterward, but he DID HIS DUTY.
And hey, where was Obama during Nam?? Oh right, at home playing with toys!" - Haecceity, on 07/02/2008, -1/+10*****. Clark was wounded in Vietnam and airlifted home. Do you make up this crap or do you just uncritically pass on what the other lying Republicans say?
- Cuchanu, on 07/01/2008, -4/+13It seems to be the consensus that getting caned it a mud hut doesn't qualify as experience for being the president or leading the military, and I'd agree as well. It also made him hate Vietnamese which probably has no value. But in defense of McCain it does probably make you a hard-ass which might help if he becomes president.
- Wargalas, on 07/01/2008, -5/+13I don't think that people are pissed about the comments, as so much the hypocrisy of Clark's statements. He disparages McCain, but in 2004, he plays up Kerry's military record.
http://www.rightwinglunatic.com/2008/06/wesley-cla ...
The above link is a great spot to find out the hypocritical nature of General Clark. - theodicey, on 07/01/2008, -3/+11"which has been part of Serbia for hundreds of years."
You seem to have an axe to grind. Let me guess, you're of Serbian descent?
I guess that would explain why you're repeating a bunch of lies about Clark, who was nowhere near Waco, and whose actions towards a couple hundred annoying Russian soldiers came nowhere near starting World War III. Please.
http://www.realchange.org/clark.htm
P.S. Sorry about the bombing of Serbian civilians, but when your country is in the middle of a five year genocidal campaign, karma is a bitch. - meandmyatm, on 07/02/2008, -2/+10He's not arguing that McCain's service to this country is worthless or not important (on the contrary, I think Clark has admiration for what McCain had to go through). Rather, he's arguing that being a POW does not necessarily mean you have foreign policy experience or the know-how to best deal with world leaders.
- Ridgeliner7, on 07/01/2008, -15/+23"We can no longer afford to build ourselves up by tearing someone else down. We can no longer afford to traffic in lies or fear or hate. It is the poison that we must purge!" -- Barack Obama
Obama said: "For those like John McCain who have endured physical torment in service to our country, no further proof of such sacrifice is necessary. And let me also add that no one should ever devalue that service, especially for the sake of a political campaign." “Senator Obama rejects the inaccurate and wrong words of General Clark yesterday." - durruticolumn, on 09/18/2009, -2/+10
Wait, hang on, which situation is more like the presidency? - drewbacsi, on 07/01/2008, -11/+19I think these comments are a litmus test - there is definitely some coordination behind the scenes with the Obama campaign.
General, just keep on firing! - Kiwi90fsu, on 07/01/2008, -17/+24Great job, sir! You were right on target.
- emkaysmith, on 07/02/2008, -2/+9Clark was a field commander in VN and came home on a stretcher. He received a Purple Heart and a Silver Star for continuing to lead his unit after being shot up. And how much time have YOU spent in the service?
- Haecceity, on 07/02/2008, -3/+10The Waco raid was carried out by the FBI. Wesley Clark was in the military. Those are different organizations.
The Russians in Serbia occupied one end of an airport, and Nato troops occupied the other end. No orders were given to attack Russian troops.
In other words you're full of crap. A typical lying Republican. - inactive, on 07/01/2008, -16/+23Watch video of Wes Clark on MSNBC defending his comments about John McCain.
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Wesley_Clark_I_m ... - CamperBob, on 07/01/2008, -4/+11As opposed to McCain's reality, which is more Brownian in its motion.
- Castlekeep, on 07/01/2008, -10/+16Come on folks isn't it waaaay past time that we stopped shooting the messengers of truth? I have thought the same thing of McCain (he really never saw battle) and that seems to be his ONLY claim to be prez - do we really need another fool that thinks bomb bomb bombing everyone is the answer? Get a grip.
I stand behind Wesley Clark and believe every thinking American should do the same. I'm sick unto death of this crap being shoved down our throats about what a "hero" McCain is. I'm not making light of his service or POW experience but....it is not a qualification for the highest office in the land. We need someone who can actually speak the English language so we can - get ready - negotiate - gasp! with our enemies. If you can't talk, all you can do is KILL. Basta! - robopuppy, on 07/02/2008, -1/+7Jesus ***** christ. All of this so-called controversy would have been avoided had Clark been a little bit more eloquent with his language. All he had to do was switch out "qualify" with "prerequisite." "Getting shot down in a plane is not a prerequisite for being POTUS." Same meaning in the context of the argument where he was defending Obama from Scheiffer's statement (which was something like "but Obama has never done any of those things either, including getting shot down in a plane!"), but far more eloquent, and as far as I can tell, untwistable. It would have also put Scheiffer in his place. Now Clark and the Dems look like ***** morons... not that conservatives would understand what prerequisite means.
Clark and everyone else need to be extremely careful with the WORDS they use, regardless of context. Anything that can be twisted will be twisted. We're dealing with Karl Rove and his goons here, not someone who will be dissuaded by logic or "doing the right thing." If it's a good sound byte, you bet they'll twist it.
I can just imagine Fox and Friends saying something like "Did you hear what Clark said? He said McCain is not prerequisited to be POTUS! Umm, wait, that doesn't even make sense." - Fordi, on 07/02/2008, -0/+6"the willingness to fight for your country, put your life on the line and suffer the brutality McCain suffered as a POW"
Makes you a military grunt. No more, no less. It doesn't prime you for becoming the cat-herder and bureaucracy manager that is an effective President. - Stevanoski, on 07/01/2008, -11/+16Of course Clerk stands behind his remarks. He was sent out by the Obama campaign to make those remarks, knowing O would disavow them, thus gaining good will of the angry gun totin' crowd. He will get Sec. of Defense for doing this, maybe VP. Glad that Brit stopped Clerk from starting WWIII with China. What an idiot.
- wendelgee2, on 07/01/2008, -6/+11compared to mccain, who doesn't know the difference between a sunni and a shiite, he IS an expert on foreign policy.
- aookay, on 07/01/2008, -2/+7It's my belief that if you tout a credential through out your campaign, you should be questioned, especially if that claim is touted as the reason you are strong in Area A. I hardly see Mccain actually backing up his service by telling us his accomplishments, instead he/his campaign is just firing back with remarks like "that is sad" or other various personal attacks. Will be interesting to see if they can rise above it.
- Jackson0909, on 07/01/2008, -3/+8What truth? His entire argument is based on opinion. It is possible to for two people to look at the same bit of information and draw different opinions. Neither one has to be wrong. It's called perspective.
- SaladCactusKing, on 07/01/2008, -2/+7God, are you people ***** retarded? If Obama stood by Clark's statement, McCain would win easily on moral ground alone!
It's like you WANT McCain to win based on how dumb some of you guys play your politics for Obama. - inactive, on 07/02/2008, -5/+10Is this the same Gen. Wesley Clark who nearly started WW3 with a blunder in Bosnia and was slapped down by British General Mike Jackson and then was fired from NATO for being incompetent? Same guy?
- SoulDrift404, on 07/02/2008, -1/+6Wait, so any military person who becomes a Democrat is automatically discredited based upon some real or imagined fault, but Republican military personnel are considered heroes no matter how real, imagined or relevant their experiences were?
Am I close? - lisaawesome, on 07/02/2008, -2/+7Am I misunderstanding your comment or did you just say 0 experience is better than 0 experience?
- SundayBrunch, on 07/01/2008, -6/+11what about all that time he spent in the senate, does that qualify him? *****.
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