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- HalleBurton, on 07/18/2008, -2/+166"It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes." (Josef Stalin)
There is no legitimate reason why our voting process should be in the hands of private interests. - wonderchemist, on 07/18/2008, -9/+129I sure hopes someone decides to hacks them and make the final vote look like:
Stalin: 928,392
Hitler: 929,932
Then we'll have the major candidates arguing which one is Hitler. - nahsrocketeer75, on 07/18/2008, -2/+118This looks incredibly suspicious. And, it doesn't really matter whether it turns out to be actual voter fraud or not: The mere fact that paperless voting machines that are impossible to audit are being used means tampering and/or suspicions of same are inevitable. Until every vote creates a paper trail, there will be continued erosion of voter confidence.
- SimmaDownNow, on 07/18/2008, -2/+99The worse part of this story is our reaction.
Even though this is about Georgia's gubernatorial and senatorial elections, we all have this deep seated suspicion that the presidential election was stolen via these same machines. And as the revelations supporting our beliefs continue to trickle out, we are like, meh.
But seriously, that new Batman movie was as good as the hype said it was am I right? - gravypump, on 07/18/2008, -0/+63You all should watch the movie "Hacking Democracy" to see just how easy it is to ***** with these Diebold machines. They should be illegal, or at minimum they shouldn't be able to keep their code secret.
- ChristPissed, on 07/18/2008, -0/+48Spoonamore, a Republican, is a true American Patriot. He sets an outstanding example for all Americans by putting U.S. citizen's interests before one's own party's interests.
- inactive, on 07/18/2008, -3/+48Ohio Attorney Files to Lift Stay on '04 Election Case, Cites Allegations, Evidence of Massive Fraud by a Number of GOP Operatives
Leading Computer Security Expert Joins Press Conference, Case, Notes Fraudulent Patterns That Should Have Triggered Investigation
Motion to Proceed with Targeted Discovery in Case Explained as Effort to Help Protect Integrity of '08 Election...
"We anticipate Mr. Rove will be identified as having engaged in a corrupt, ongoing pattern of corrupt activities specifically affecting the situation here in Ohio," charged attorney Cliff Arnebeck in a press conference held this morning in Columbus...
FULL STORY: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6189 - slabdigger, on 07/18/2008, -4/+43There will be bizarre polls right up to the election arguing, against all logic that McCain and Obama are in a statistical dead heat. Then, amazingly, McCain wins by .0025%! If it's on TV, it must be true.
- TheLogic, on 07/18/2008, -1/+40We should have all voting done on paper ballots. If you want to vote for the Democrat, circle their name with the blue crayon. Republican, red, etc. Have a color chart for all the parties. Therefore, if your circle goes slightly over to the Democratic side, and you used a red crayon, they (and by they, I mean the politically unbiased 6 year olds we hire to sort votes) will know you meant to vote Republican. They split the piles into red, blue, green, and do this for each office on the ballot. Then, hire third party foreigners who are unaware of the color system, or any of the candidates, and have them tally the votes. Keep the ballots out of the hands of anyone with any clue of what they're doing, and I can guarantee you, sadly enough, the end count will be much more accurate than the flawed systems we have in place today.
- txdv48, on 07/18/2008, -1/+27And this in the nation we expect young men and women to defend on a battlefield. It just makes you want to puke.
- vroom101, on 07/18/2008, -0/+25An electronic voting machine in the United States of America should:
1. Print a "voter's receipt" on paper AND
2. Be open hardware AND
3. Be open source AND
4. Be certified, and documented in a publicly available document, by security experts as free of bugs and backdoors.
Then and only then should We the People of the United States of America *consider * using them in our elections. - scotq, on 07/18/2008, -3/+27Diebold is consistently in the news under speculation for voter fraud, why are there machines still in use anywhere? In case you missed this, "Diebold Accidentally Leaks Results of 2008 Election Early" http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_acci ...
- inactive, on 07/18/2008, -1/+25***** ballot machines. Paper all the way.
- CyphreDias, on 07/18/2008, -0/+23I voted you up, but I almost voted you down for using the phrase "voter fraud" instead of "election fraud", because it is not the voters that are perpetrating the fraud in question. The mainstream media has trained us to use the term "voter fraud" which puts the focus on the voters instead of on the election officials.
- inactive, on 07/18/2008, -14/+36Our entire gov't is criminal!
Resist the NWO/globalists who seek to destroy U.S. sovereignty! - UltimatrixmaN, on 07/18/2008, -0/+19I've never trusted any electronic voting system.
No matter how the votes are tallied, all someone has to do is push a button and the numbers change.
This is one of the few things I advocate paper for.
I want a reciept for my electronic transaction as well. - wiretapped, on 07/18/2008, -0/+18The government decide who the next president is not its citizens.
- whatknight, on 07/18/2008, -0/+18there must be a breaking point though. i mean, i hope there is a breaking point.
- reflectionsv37, on 07/18/2008, -2/+17I've been a software developer for nearly 35 years. I posted this http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/21/22137/105 ... at the DailyKos in November of 2006. It didn't receive much attention but it's a very plausible explanation of how a programmer can write a program that includes "real time tuning". And it's surprisingly easy to do. For a quick programming lesson and an insight into why touchscreen voting should never, ever be allowed in this country.
- inactive, on 07/18/2008, -8/+22That's amusing!
- darthchaosrspw, on 07/18/2008, -0/+13If it happened in Georgia in 2002, it could have theoretically happened all across the nation in 2004 and could happen again in 2008.
- JKap, on 07/18/2008, -0/+13Time to end bipartisan black-box, Stalinist-style elections once and for all. The integrity of the vote has been corrupted by the use of electronic balloting and vote-counting systems running proprietary software that cannot be audited by the public, effectively rendering the count of the vote in secret.
The basic unit of representative democracy has been undermined. This must stop!
Time to return to an age when elections had integrity, when all votes cast were write-in votes. Time to return to paper-balloting with the count done in public. As far as I am aware human beings can still count.
http://digg.com/politics/HBO_Film_Hacking_Democrac ...
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ - psyjoniz, on 07/18/2008, -1/+13sure there is. if it wasn't, do you realize how hard it would be for them to rig the elections?
- DooM, on 07/18/2008, -3/+13It's a few million deaths different just to start...
- muckemuck, on 07/18/2008, -0/+9http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4463776866 ... .. and if you're too rushed to watch the whole thing then skip to the last 10 minutes or so. That's when they do the mock election and show how it's done.. then go back and watch it from the start because they show how even the current "paper trail" process most states use is fairly pointless. (see NH primaries for a better example of this.. how about those stuffable boxes and reusable "post-it" note labels/seals)
- Intercon, on 07/18/2008, -3/+12This is what I've been expecting all along. I'm pretty sure that this election, barring some unforseen slip-up a la Jesse Jackson, Obama is going to win by a landslide. But then I see these polls on TV that would like me to think otherwise.
And now Rove is right where they need him to be. Sitting behind the desk of a "News" program, slyly tweaking the story as events unfold, so that you, the viewer, can get a "fair and balanced" viewpoint.
Goebbels would be impressed. - sodade, on 07/18/2008, -2/+10But but we must privatize EVERYTHING!!! Unrestrained free markets FTW
- scabbers, on 07/18/2008, -1/+9From what I've seen, all politicians are corrupt morons.
- Hangly, on 07/18/2008, -0/+8Looks like every story that was ignored over the past 10 years because it was too radical, paranoid or tin-hatty will make the front page this week.
As someone who has been researching this stuff since the late 90s I find this incredibly surreal. Great, but surreal. - Hangly, on 07/18/2008, -0/+7Actually I assume everything on TV is a lie.
- inactive, on 07/18/2008, -2/+9Everyone should get a receipt and they must mail them in so it can be cross checked. hell even that has its problems but its better than what we have now.
- wsuvtx, on 07/18/2008, -2/+9Interesting, but old news. Many news stories on this and a documentary. However, Democrats never do anything about it. You know that if the election would have swung the other way the Republicans would have been all over it.
- allan17, on 07/19/2008, -1/+8@DooM
Hey, give them a chance. Either one has the potential to make it billions. - obliviousfool, on 07/19/2008, -0/+6I've been researching stolen elections since 2000. At this point I'm tired of it. We've had stolen elections. The math bears it out. I don't know how to change it. It's scandal fatigue, I guess.
- Iztikeit, on 07/18/2008, -0/+6Our money and votes are soon to be fully digitized and then we will have truly lost. If Thomas Jefferson feared paper money so much imagine how much he would have feared digitized money and votes?
If the masses allow this to continue pretty soon everything will have the potential of being easily manipulated and controlled. When will we notice that such technologies aren't only convenient but potentially enslaving! What what little convenience is bestowed they serve is hardly worth potentially putting our country in ruin.
Here are various related Thomas Jefferson quotes.
http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jef ... - notoneofus, on 07/18/2008, -0/+6Tie it into a national lottery and people would probably do it.
- spookyttws, on 07/18/2008, -0/+5My question is, why do we need to have voting machines to begin with? Yes, it takes a bit longer to count, but what was wrong with pen and paper? It makes things cheap, easy and most importantly easily audited. Simply because we have the technology must we use it for that specific purpose?
- elhaf, on 07/18/2008, -0/+5Please donate to Open Voting Consortium. They are the only ones who stand a chance of overcoming this.
- AmerPatriot55, on 07/19/2008, -0/+5NO, it wasn't the Florida voters either, it was Katherine Harris, FL State Supervisor of Elections who was later rewarded with a nice job in the House for her loyalty to the Bush family AND the Supreme Court that stopped the re-count and declared Bush won! The same thing happened in Ohio in 2004!
You should really get your facts straight before spouting crap!
One precinct in FL actually had a NEGATIVE number of votes for Gore, when he actually won that precinct! Go to Black Box Voting, they did extensive research on this! - bjornski, on 07/18/2008, -0/+5Apt name.
- sapphire9488, on 07/18/2008, -0/+5Even if all voting machines that are used did have a paper trail, that wouldn't ease any concerns I have for about them. It's a huge threat to a true democracy, and as long as they are being used there will always be doubt if outcomes of elections are actually genuine.
I live in Georgia and it's infuriating to that the reason Perdue & that ***** Chambliss are in office is likely due to fraud... - fokov, on 07/18/2008, -0/+5how would you prove the code that they released is the code that is running? It is very easy to make a mock-OS, even better with linux you can control the whole pipeline of communications, just as if it were real and no one would know.
If you can solve these problems many industries like gaming would love you. The problem is, no matter what gizmo security system exists, the human element can still be corrupted either with direct vote tampering/rigging or system fixing (as in the electoral college/not get on ballot style of rigging elections). - enclaved, on 07/18/2008, -0/+4The crayons will have the colors clearly labeled on them silly. Have you not colored recently?
- netsql, on 07/18/2008, -1/+5...the land of the freeeee, and the hoooome of the brrave.
Not so much. - Habit4ming, on 07/19/2008, -0/+4Personally, I don't want any type of electric, electronic...whatever voting MACHINE. I want paper. I am more than willing to give my time for FREE to sit there and count votes...the powers that be can have as many witnesses for the COUNT as deemed necessary. I have written this to my Reps...of course, I have heard nothing back... I also recently wrote my State Reprs. to have the paper ballot issue put back on the 2009 agenda since they didn't take action in 2008....I am not the only one who is willing to COUNT paper ballots for FREE.... (the reason I bring up about counting paper ballots for free is that the argument is made that it would take too much time to count, too expensive)...and really even if it did take extra time, do we not have the right to an honest election??
- kd1s, on 07/18/2008, -0/+4RI uses paper ballots but they're scanned after you mark them. The ballots are kept for a period of time and if challenged they can be run through the master computer. If that doesn't satisfy you, you can manually count the ballots.
And how does one vote? You simply complete a line with a magic marker. That line forms and arrow pointing toward your candidate of choice. - inactive, on 07/19/2008, -0/+4Because of the Floridatards that couldn't punch a hole through a piece of paper and thus got Bush elected.
- dextrocardia, on 07/18/2008, -0/+4Why wouldn't you just put your receipt into a locked ballot box, like we did with the original paper ballots? Mailing them in after the fact opens up whole other avenues of possible fraud.
- inactive, on 07/19/2008, -0/+4Hitler - Mustache
Stalin - Mustache
Saddam - Mustache
Franco - Mustache
McCain and Obama - No Mustache - Hangly, on 07/18/2008, -0/+3Watch me here I go, vroom.
What, exactly, would you propose ordinary citizens do about this? -
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