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GOP Asks For Advice Online, Gets Swamped By Ron Paul Fans

blog.wired.com — When the Republican party issued a clarion call last week for its grassroots supporters to submit ideas online to build the party's platform, RNC officials probably weren't expecting a concerted push for the dismantling of the Federal Reserve and a return to the gold standard. Ron Paul supporters have made themselves at home on the the GOP site.

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  • Evilblobs, on 07/16/2008, -52/+43No, no. You got it all wrong, Obama is the flavor of the season at the moment.
    Come back when you can get it right.



    Also, dugg.
    • rudeboyskunk, on 07/17/2008, -11/+19Why are you being dugg down? You're right.
      • Hiltonizer, on 07/17/2008, -5/+10rudeboy beat me to it. digg for you sir.
    • gofalcons, on 07/17/2008, -6/+29He's getting dugg down because the Ron Paul wasn't a bandwagon candidate, did you notice how most people only started supporting Obama after he won those primaries? Also because only someone who had no idea what they were talking about would suggest that Ron Paul supporters would switch to Obama, they are polar opposites.
      • Kohaxx, on 07/17/2008, -12/+2There were a lot of people in the position of if Ron Paul can't do it, I need to bank on Obama. A lot of us were forced into the position of voting for the most promising between Obama/Clinton when it became clear that it was going to be McCain in November. Personally Ron Paul would have made a much better candidate than any of the others, had he been given an actual chance by his own party.

        The Republican party is so far gone I have no idea what they could do to redeem themselves, neo-conservatism abandons small government principles for Big Brother style destruction of civil liberties and massive war budget spending. Until they stop campaigning on fear-mongering and ignorant hatred, they are nothing but the "angry old white people" party.
      • gofalcons, on 07/17/2008, -1/+11*****, no one was "forced" to change to Obama. If more people stuck with their values and voted for who they believed in rather than who the media told them could win, we'd see the destruction of the two party system and maybe actually get someone other than a hand picked leader in the whitehouse. No, the Republican's didn't give Ron Paul a chance. So because the Republicans didn't endorse him, you now give up on him? That doesn't make too much sense.
      • chillypacman, on 07/17/2008, -8/+1That is not actually true.

        Obama always had plenty of support just not inspired support, a loto f people were convinced he'd do the best out of any black candidate but not win, his supporters recognized that and cautiously supported both him and Hillary.

        Ron Paul on the other hand WAS going to win, there was no doubt he was going to take the US political system by storm... at least that would be the impression you'd get listening to his supporters.

        When Obama won the first primary it became clear he is a winner-esque candidate and that racism in the US is not relaly bad at all (even if it exists), so Obama became a candidate who could win and his supporters became more optimisitc.

        Unlike ron pauls supporters obama's supporter demographic actually has diversity that extends well beyond the internet, which more than likely helped carry him through. This while ron paul supporters came up with endless reasons aas to why ron paul did not lose x primary and did not lose y primary. It was shockinly hilarious seeing them justify how ron paul won virtually ever primary up until their enthusiasm actually started waining. haha. ah well.
      • Stormwern, on 07/17/2008, -2/+1Out of interest, what if Kucinich gets the vp? Paul has spoken pretty highly of him.
      • rudeboyskunk, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Probably won't happen, it'd make more sense for Obama to choose a conservative to show conservatives he hates black people as much as they do.
      • gofalcons, on 07/17/2008, -1/+5Once again chillypacman, Obama was a bandwagon candidate who people only started supporting openly when the media told them it was "safe" to jump on. You even admitted that yourself. Not diverse, obviously you still get your news from TV and news papers and have never seen the many rallies and marches organized by Ron Paul supporters. By diversity, do you mean racially? The rest of my family and I are supporting Ron Paul, *we are black, sept for my wife* all my friends are as well. It doesn't matter about race, as many people would have you believe that his supporters are only white males, just to play into the whole "OMG, A RACIST DONATED HIM $500, HE MUST BE A RACIST TOO!!!11"

        Yeah, I'll admit, it is pretty frustrating when you have a guy who is telling everyone what's going to happen for 20 years, seeing it come true, and yet seeing people call him crazy and continue to listen to the status quo. Barrack Obama will change nothing, all of you are slowly starting to see that. Have fun with him while he's still a blank slate and you can write your wishlist on him. The honeymoon phase will soon be over and you'll realize that just spouting "hope" and "change" does nothing but get people to swoon over you when you're talking. As for me, I'll continue to listen to Ron Paul talk about our economy and the devaluation of the dollar *which he's been talking about for the last 20 years and I'm ashamed to say I didn't listen before*, invest in gold and support Ron Paul republicans for congress, because if we can't change this country by putting him in the whitehouse, we'll do it through congress. Laugh all you want now, but we'll be the ones laughing when Obama gets in the whitehouse and all we can say is we told you so.
      • chillypacman, on 07/18/2008, -1/+1once again gofalcons, no one cares about ron paul who seems to only exist on the itnernet, bashing obama over it is not going to change a thing.
      • gofalcons, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1Damn, these paulbots have found a way to spam in real life too!!!!111

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFpJGL0jIjI

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OllkHmdjAc

        I guess all of these people only exist on the internets too huh? LOLZORS!!1
  • ordig, on 07/17/2008, -8/+108That'll show them. That's what they get for listening to the public.
    • reed311, on 07/17/2008, -54/+15No, that's what they get for putting something up online. Paulbots are notorious for spamming anything political-related. It was through this form of astro-turfing that they were able to fool a few people into believing he was even close to a front runner. I would wager that this is linked somewhere on the Ron Paul Forums.

      Although the GOP hasn't been very good with the economy over the past several years, even they aren't stupid enough to return to the gold standard.
      • chukd, on 07/17/2008, -3/+10So you are saying two things here. Only Ron Paul people have the ability to send a message in force. Have you been paying attention to the Obama bots.

        The second is you are against the gold standard. You like the idea that our money has no foundation. Inflation runs wild and is part of the reason why our economy is in the ***** hole. In the 90's, Greenspan and the fed killed the economy worrying about inflation. At the end of the 90's, the fed in an effort to boost the economy they ruined, drove down interest rates and inflation went through the roof. The US dollar is worthless in the world and part of the reason for the outrageous price of a barrel of oil. This system sounds like it is on firm ground.
      • sugarazor, on 07/17/2008, -5/+2"So you are saying two things here. Only Ron Paul people have the ability to send a message in force. Have you been paying attention to the Obama bots."

        Yeah but the difference is Obama can win. He's raised more money than any presidential candidate in the history of the country. He obviously has a movement behind him of millions upon millions of people in everyday walks of life rather than a legion of message board trolls.
    • onetimer, on 07/17/2008, -54/+13The same public that OVERWHELMINGLY (95%+) voted AGAINST Ron Paul? And for the record i'm referring to the primaries, not the straw/internet polls that ron paul supporters jerked off to last year.
      • zephc, on 07/17/2008, -4/+23onetimer: "I'm totally going to troll all these Ron Paul stories" *wank wank wank wank*
      • gofalcons, on 07/17/2008, -4/+18Give it up one timer, he'll never put the needs of Israel over the needs of America. Everytime you see Ron Paul's name you see this guy trying to down on him. You've done about as much good as his supporters who tried to convince Fox News viewers to listen to something besides warmongering and that "bomb them all" isn't an acceptable foreign policy.
    • bestsoccerdog, on 07/17/2008, -29/+1And you wonder why the government hates you.
    • Rich711, on 07/17/2008, -19/+1Or actually one member of the public spamming them thousands of times. If only Paulbots could spam the election.
  • KJSatz, on 07/17/2008, -6/+76A Leader We Can Believe In...bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran!

    The problem isn't with the GOP; it's with the millions who went out for McCain, Guiliani, Romney, and the like.
    • Minarchian, on 07/17/2008, -3/+37It's the GOP leadership who pushed for anyone but Paul. The GOP with the help of MSM that got McCain, probably the most liberal Republican in history, the nominee.

      But then again...let's see what happens at the convention :)
      • appleseed1234, on 07/17/2008, -20/+8The day McCain is a liberal is the day Chomsky is an evangelical pastor.
    • Herkimer56, on 07/17/2008, -33/+6It wasn't just the leadership that pushed for anyone but Ron Paul. It was any member of the party with a brain in their head.

      And just so you know, Ron Paul and his tiny little band of supporters will not be a factor at the convention.
      • gofalcons, on 07/17/2008, -4/+22Did you see the march a few days ago? I hardly call that a "tiny little band of supporters".
      • Herkimer56, on 07/17/2008, -4/+4Maximum of 8000 is a tiny little band of supporters. Have you forgotten that close to 100 million people will be eligible to vote in the fall elections? Ron Paul, if he were on the ballot, would not be able to pull more than three percent of the vote.

        Tiny.
    • Anntink, on 07/18/2008, -0/+2The GOP leadership IS the problem. They have instituted rules that make it impossible to have real discussions on the issues at local republican meetings. In Florida, the head of the Republican Party can kick you out of the party without explanatin and WITHOUT CAUSE! You are expected to follow the platform established by the National Committee, without question. If you do not, you'll get kicked out. Those are the facts... Sorry folks, but Democracy in America simply does not exist.
  • MorganMghee, on 07/17/2008, -4/+21I'm still laughing...since I first heard it went online....
    • oldgal, on 07/17/2008, -0/+4My guess is the Ron Paul supporters are the only ones who use the internet. It is, after all, a pretty progressive idea.
      • MorganMghee, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2Gosh, I've been progressive since '82?
      • CurtHowland, on 07/18/2008, -0/+3Ron Paul supporters are not "progressives". Progressives believe that government can legislate morality.

        Ron Paul supporters are more like "reactionaries", pointing out how the government puts forth failure after failure, but instead of "reforming", they call for ABOLITION!

        For example, the Federal Reserved was foisted on the country by "progressives" who believed that a central bank could stop recessions. But we're heading into the 4th depression (much less recession) since the Fed was put in place. It failed, it's time to abolish it.

        ...Long past time for a serious clean sweep of Washington DC.
  • punkpatriot, on 07/17/2008, -6/+42I'm a Kucinich-ite and I was surprised to find other people who were calling for dismantling the Pentagon, and returning to the National Guard on there!

    Booyah!
    • elephanterin, on 07/19/2008, -0/+1I'm a Paul-ite and a Kucinich fan!!

      BOOYAHHH!!
  • digitronix, on 07/17/2008, -11/+88Way to be there, Paulites! I hope the Republican Party loses in September, just for the way it treated Ron Paul over the past two years. Even though Obama is *hardly* presidential material, I hope his election gives them time to pause, look at the past, and realize their party is a flippin' joke.
    • skiboy352001, on 07/17/2008, -18/+2September???, Ohhhh, I believe you may mean November,the month that elections for president are held, but being the upstanding, involved, well informed Ron Paul citizen activist, you knew this!!
      //Sarcasm//
      • greevar, on 07/17/2008, -1/+11No, he is talking about the Republican convention in Minneapolis this September.
      • skiboy352001, on 07/17/2008, -3/+1How does a party lose its convention???
        I guess they could tho, the way things aqre going for the m
    • Eric3k, on 07/17/2008, -15/+1Why would the Republicans treat him well when he is not Republican? He's a Libertarian. If he ran as one he would lose even worse cause nobody likes a Libertarian.
      • tehawesome531, on 07/17/2008, -0/+10I like a libertarian. Just throwing that out there, as if anybody cares.
      • 0nslaught, on 07/17/2008, -0/+16Would this mean anything to Republicans?

        "If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism." --Ronald Reagan

        "Barry Goldwater, Jr. Endorses Ron Paul"
        http://youtube.com/watch?v=W7r27Az_Mns

        "Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country." --Ronald Reagan
      • learnmorepanda, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1Oh *****, that is a BURN!

        When a party leaves it's founding principals completely, I think it needs to find a new name.
  • baldr, on 07/17/2008, -3/+59they really should have had people telegraph in their suggestions if they actually wanted people that were supporting McCain.
  • MendotaLee, on 07/17/2008, -17/+5haha so money..
  • rz8472, on 07/17/2008, -17/+9They should have had some way to confirm that you make more than $250,000/year. Because we know that's the GOP's real constituency.
    • xcheats, on 07/17/2008, -5/+11That's why the basis of the Republican Party is made up of rural constituents, not those living in Suburbia or Cities, right? And all those farmers make $250,000/Yr. Give me a ***** break and if you're going to generalize, make some sense with your generalization.
      • bigj480, on 07/17/2008, -0/+8 Pfff, you're obviously mistaken. The GOP is for the rich slave owners and the democrats are for the poor hard workers! /sarcasm

        It's really astonishing that the "divide and conquer" strategy works so well. Both sides struggle for power, both get it while being cheered on by their puppets. Group think, ain't it grand?
      • jcfisher3rd, on 07/17/2008, -6/+0Well it's people with high capital gains incomes and then the religious morons.
      • Eric3k, on 07/17/2008, -11/+1And paulies are basement dwellers with computers. So your point?
    • VoodooPunk, on 07/17/2008, -5/+6The GOP constituency consists of people that work hard for what they have and aren't interested in placating those who are a dredge on society. Anybody with a sense of personal responsibility ends up being a Republican. Libs are those that want to steal from productive members of society instead of doing what's necessary to be self sufficient. But you already know that.
      • MadKennyP, on 07/17/2008, -6/+3"Anybody with a sense of personal responsibility ends up being a Republican."

        ... from that comment, it seems like anyone with a giant ego and overinflated sense of self worth. Go F**k yourself.
      • EvilJelloMan, on 07/17/2008, -4/+3Funny, because I have a sense of personal responsibility - I feel it is my responsibility to do my part to help those less fortunate than myself. I sure as ***** don't call myself a republican, though. I don't call myself a democrat either, though, but I'd rather be called a democrat, or a donkey-raping ***** eater, than be called a republican.
      • VoodooPunk, on 07/17/2008, -1/+4Evil, how exactly does advocating spending other people's money on the less fortunate equate to taking personal responsibility for the issue? That's typically all Democrats do. If you really feel that it is your responsibility to "help the less fortunate" then I assume you donate as much time and money as you can to the worthy cause. I find that most Democrats talk a good game when it's not their money and time on the line.
  • rudeboyskunk, on 07/17/2008, -13/+24If they want sound advice, here it is: Disband the Republican Party.
    • Narrwald, on 07/17/2008, -0/+5One party politics are a worse idea than two party politics, you know.
      • alaskanassassin, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1another broader party will take its place.
      • rudeboyskunk, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3Well I personally think the Democrat Party should disband, as well.
    • zeabu, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Indeed, why doesn't Ron Paul start a Libertarian party? I think there's nothing wrong with having more choice than between 2 parties.
      • rudeboyskunk, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2Or he could re-join the already established Libertarian Party. There's also the Boston Tea Party.
      • zeabu, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1I've dugg you up, but if he joins another party, he will once again be one of many. Why don't he form a party, and let the 2 parties fuse.
  • soot, on 07/17/2008, -1/+12Ha! Ha! Show them online!
  • OutsideSupply, on 07/17/2008, -5/+74Ron Paul is awesome. He could really CHANGE America for the better. Only fresh ideas out there. Rest just wanna keep spending our money whilst they confuse, difer, and deflect our attention from the real problem. We are broke, broke, broke.
    • bigj480, on 07/17/2008, -1/+25 No, no, no! We have all kinds of money! Come on, socialized medicine! Yaaay! More taxes, even more spending! FREE medicine! Rob the rich! Let's do it Amerika, YES WE CAN! CHANGE! HOPE! /sarcasm
      • greevar, on 07/17/2008, -9/+3Yeah, because socializing our, libraries, fire department, police, schools, public utilities, and postal service really turned out bad didn't it?
      • MrWhite7, on 07/17/2008, -0/+8... stop.... breath.... now recognize that with the exception of the Postal Service, those things that you named are handled by state governments...

        The poor already have Federal and State sponsered healthcare. Medical coverage is not a right. You are not entitled to it. If you want it, live extremely poor... or work for it.
    • Aidje, on 07/17/2008, -2/+4No, no, no. Obama is the change one. Ron Paul is just the guy who thinks the status quo is seriously messed up. /sarcasm
    • oMeSSiaHo, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1I know man! I spent like $3000 total in health care until I lost my job, lost my coverage and spent $3500 getting better. That $3000 I ALREADY spent was so much better invested.

      Its also not like illness costs more to treat then it does to prevent.

      /sarc
      • Chakat, on 07/17/2008, -0/+8The problem is that due to the tax structure, we've tied healthiness to employment. If we got rid of the tax breaks, and had a real free market health care system, you could have still afforded to pay for insurance. The health care mess is on a large scale caused by government meddling.
    • n00ptic, on 07/17/2008, -5/+1Paul is a standard Libertarian, and their platform hasn't changed in 30+ years. I really wouldn't call those fresh ideas.
      • Aidje, on 07/17/2008, -1/+5Lowercase, friend: libertarian.
      • alaskanassassin, on 07/17/2008, -0/+5more like the original ideas.
      • OutsideSupply, on 07/17/2008, -0/+7They are fresh because they haven't been instituted. Lets see Obama wants more taxes, BEEN DONE, MCCain Wants Less Taxes, BEEN DONE. Ron Paul wants to stop spending except on those constitutional declerations and thus cut taxes.

        Stop spending money. Very fresh, yet most Americans can do it with their household budget and checkbook.
  • godphase3, on 07/17/2008, -24/+1Spam/=/Support
  • randyzaia, on 07/17/2008, -29/+3News flash - Ron Paul supporters are poll spammers. This is news?
    • bigj480, on 07/17/2008, -1/+18How about this:

      "News flash - Ron Paul supporters give a ***** enough to let their opinion be known, they aren't dumb schmucks that just sit and complain, they spread the message. This is news?"
    • elephanterin, on 07/19/2008, -1/+1oh my goodness randy, you can repeat what you heard on tv!
  • Hiltonizer, on 07/17/2008, -2/+58The best part is... since his campaign has been suspended.... inflation reports and the degrading capital markets have proved we would be much better off in a country based on his positions. Suck on that naysayers.... hope your social security and useless income taxes are working out for you.

    Too bad having Bob Barr as the Libertarian nominee is evidence the Libertarian party has sold out :(
    • rudeboyskunk, on 07/17/2008, -3/+13I'm a communist and even -I'm- disappointed that the libertarians didn't pick a real libertarian. I enjoy healthy competition from the best, which is why I had hoped Ron Paul would have run as the libertarian candidate.
      • bigj480, on 07/17/2008, -11/+4 You're a communist? What a ***** idiot! Socialism/communism sucks!

        Seriously though, communism sucks.
      • rudeboyskunk, on 07/17/2008, -0/+5Well I'm convinced.
    • DigDugDigger, on 07/17/2008, -0/+5I don't think they sold out, but are merely playing the game. Should they have named any Libertarian as their nominee... like in 2004 with Badnarik, the airtime they'd receive would be minimal. Since Barr was a Republican, his odds of him getting airtime are better. So far it's worked. I've seen far more Barr experiences on TV so far than I did with Badnarik.
      • Hiltonizer, on 07/17/2008, -0/+4I'm in no position to really argue with you since I have no hard facts... but I think a lot of Libertarians cannot forgive his atrocities in congress... and therefore will write-in Ron Paul or flip to the Constitution party. (I have yet to decide what I will do...).

        Conspiracy theorist (which in some cases I am have no basis to argue with), feel that Bildeberg/The NWO have staked their claim in the Libertarian Party by making Barr the nominee.

        Wayne Allyn Root was the presumptive nominee before Barr came along, and he has had far more media exposure in the last 5-6 years or so than Barr could ever hope of getting. All hail the King of Vegas baby.
      • Nysul, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Yah but even though Badranik is a loon at least I voted for someone with principals last time. Now I might as well stay home.
      • Nysul, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Edit: holy ***** I should have just stayed home last time as well. From wikipedia: "taking 0.34% of the popular vote and placing fourth, just behind Ralph Nader." What a waste of time. Is there any country out there with even slight libertarian views?
      • alaskanassassin, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2@Nysul, nah you just keep telling people they are free while stealing more rights., its been working for quite awhile.
      • qh4dotcom, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1I don't like his questionable past or his VP but I am still voting for him, sending him small donations and I hope that his polls numbers go up....someone needs to go to the debates and talk about liberty and Ron Paul's principles...I can't understand why those who are criticizing Barr want the millions who will be watching the debates to be brainwashed with Obama and McCain's big government talk....and after the debates someone needs to keep making media appearances to talk about liberty and Ron Paul's principles.
  • Notasheeple, on 07/17/2008, -5/+21Would you really expect anything less?

    Ideas can live beyond any election!

    Go Ronulans!
  • mikestrawman, on 07/17/2008, -1/+30Americans fundamentally believe in liberty.. We need a major party that champions the cause of the people.
  • gofalcons, on 07/17/2008, -3/+32Wait a second, now all of a sudden the GOP cares what people think?
    • greevar, on 07/17/2008, -0/+9Lies! They just want you to think that to save face.
    • BJLStorm, on 07/17/2008, -0/+7They recorded the ip addresses of everyone who commented and sent federal agents to their homes to take them away to Guantanamo for waterboarding.
  • mishaco, on 07/17/2008, -1/+12what they get is better advice than the government is used to getting .
  • VoodooPunk, on 07/17/2008, -26/+3I would have taken a closer look at Ron Paul if his supporters weren't such obsessive freaks. When you attract complete nuts and insane conspiracy theorists, it makes it hard to take you seriously.
    • chukd, on 07/17/2008, -1/+7Have you met Obama followers?
    • chessmasterjoe, on 07/17/2008, -0/+4When you can make a reasonable argument and quit calling me names then I wont bury you.
  • muckemuck, on 07/17/2008, -1/+34So where are all of the McCain supporters on there? Or are there any McCain supporters? I've seen 2 McCain bumper stickers so far this year.. and that included going to a state GOP convention and walking around the parking lot looking for them.

    btw.. I'm a Paul supporter and haven't bothered to add a comment on the GOP site. The GOP didn't listen to what we've been telling them at the local GOP meetings, the county conventions, the state conventions, etc.. so why are they going to listen now? They won't. The GOP will lose in November because they were too stubborn to admit that they've gone down the wrong track with the neo-cons.
  • kolinkoolface2, on 07/17/2008, -0/+26liberty never sits down.
  • j.carcinogen, on 07/17/2008, -0/+19I only see 1 platform idea from a user. The GOP must have decided the others were unacceptable and deleted them. Great way to win over people in your own party.
  • Idiggapony, on 07/17/2008, -1/+24The Republicans refused to listen to Dr. Paul in the primaries, but like it or not, they're going to hear his convictions enuncipated now!

    Dear RNC: If you're going to ask what We the People think, then be prepared to feel our mighty wraith. For once awokened to the sweet, sweet scent of liberty brewing in the kitchen, true Americans do not return glimly to slumber.

    Ron Paul!
  • SomaAddict, on 07/17/2008, -1/+7What I seriously wonder is whether the new progressives and Paul fanatics can come together and make some real changes. Granted, there is a gulf of difference between the two, and many future battles. But in terms of our foreign policy, civil liberties, and general opposition to the traditional two party madness that we have now, both groups could actually come to power with a very large constituency. If it doesnt happen though, then I am afraid the know nothing middle will continue to be co-opted into buying into administrations that take their vote for granted.
    • alaskanassassin, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3no they can't, they are the opposite of each other. progressives want more government intervention and equality, paulbots want more individual liberty with personal responsibility.
    • nosecohn, on 07/17/2008, -1/+3I agree. I really wish somebody could put together a coalition of progressives and libertarians to form a new party. There are certainly some issues about which they disagree completely. However, the country is in such a mess right now, that if they just concentrated on the areas where they agree, the people might really benefit.
  • Jamsie567, on 07/17/2008, -1/+9This started as matchbook fire last year now it is an all out inferno blazing across America.
  • thecatcantalk, on 07/17/2008, -2/+17Sweet zombie Jesus in a starship! As if the "Democratic" party were a better choice...right, as when Clinton signed NAFTA into law, thereby turning the U.S. into a colony of Mexico (you desk jockeys will get it, when YOUR job gets outsourced to a foreigner who has offered to do your job for 50% less). Assholes.

    Yeah, Democrats are "more honest and less corrupt"...just look at Detroit and Chicago! /rofl
    • BotchaMcCoola, on 07/17/2008, -0/+8Sad observation though. Due to the dollar devaluation, I am now doing my job for about 50% less than before.
  • stringerbell, on 07/17/2008, -11/+6"We need to abolish the Federal Reserve and go back to the gold standard. Not just any gold though, I heard about this stuff, pure-strain gold that has been around since God created the universe. That's what we should base our currency around since it is so close to God."
    Now, I love Ron Paulies and such, but I think I spot a couple flaws in their argument: 1. God didn't create the universe. And, 2. When the universe was first created, there wasn't any elements whatsoever. It wasn't until a few minutes later that the first hydrogen (and some deuterium and helium) formed. The first gold wasn't formed until thousands and thousands of years later, after being burned up in the center of stars and supernovae.
  • mikestrawman, on 07/17/2008, -1/+15Here is my submission:

    The Republicans should once again embrace the beliefs of the common man.

    We should champion the free market and personal liberties. There are commonalities amongst Americans and the GOP has a unique opportunity to tap into the groundswell.

    Allow people to live their lives, for liberty is inherent to all people. Our liberty is not granted by government, rather by human nature (or God if you choose to believe). The GOP should champion individual rights and restore the american dream.

    The GOP's cause should be the cause of liberty, of individual responsibility. These are the principals that our country was founded on. These are the principals that are still popular with the people.

    Currently, no party embraces these fundamentally American ideals.

    Let us end the meddling in foreign affairs and restore the value of the dollar. Let us resist government intervention and allow people to determine their fate.

    This message will resonate with the people. They are hungry for it. Do not cling to what the party has become under the current administration.
    • mikeee789, on 07/17/2008, -11/+0Thanks for letting us know it was your submission, because as i was scrolling down and saw your comment i was like "what the hell is that thing in between all the other comments". it confused the hell out of me until i read your first sentence but now i get it, Thanks.

      (that was sarcasm, your a dumbass)
    • geauxtig3rs, on 07/17/2008, -10/+0How are we going to restore the value of the dollar? There is NOTHING to back it up....

      Money IS debt, plain and simple. It's something that every state must live with.

      http://youtube.com/watch?v=vVkFb26u9g8

      It's a very well constructed five part series that every Ron Paul supporter needs to watch in order to realize the irreperable damage that their policies would do to the world financial market.
  • flashingcurser, on 07/17/2008, -2/+19Freedom is popular.
  • bsmeteronhigh2, on 07/17/2008, -0/+10I know! Let's start a new Party! We'll call it the "Fed Up" party. Now all we need is an animal mascot and a television news network devoted to us. It'll be fun. It could take the country by storm. Imagine if every time a news crew went out for the six o'clock news and everyone they interviewed said, "I'm Fed Up!"
    • mikestrawman, on 07/17/2008, -0/+5Screaming from my window: I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore....
  • chukd, on 07/17/2008, -0/+17The republicans went wrong when they moved from true conservatism and went to moral conservatism. They set themselves up for failure. No politician will ever win a moral battle. They lie, cheat and pander to people to gain power. These are not acts of a moral person.

    Ron Paul is trying to set the republican party straight. He is one of the few voices in the Republican party trying to move them to smaller government and rights to the people. He voted no on the Patriot Act, renewal of the Patriot Act, no to FISA, and does not vote for raises for people elected to office. These are values the Republican party was built. This is why they will lose the election.
  • Burnse, on 07/17/2008, -1/+13The Federal Reserve is the single most dangerous thing our nation faces. It has been since 1913.
    Get ready for the Depression!
  • oMeSSiaHo, on 07/17/2008, -14/+2The Republican party should ignore all lessons learned in the last 100+ years and give companies free reign to do whatever they want. I want all my purchases to be at the company store. I also believe we should go back to the gold standard even though I dont totally understand it. I do have to commend you on your fear of black people and jews. I also know you caused 9/11 so just cop to it. To summarize, everything should be extreme and done without thought to its effects.

    Signed,
    Ron Paul supporter
    • thecoolestguy, on 07/17/2008, -0/+6What lessons have we learned in the last 100 years?

      *America got involved in World War 1 in order to "protect democracy", when in reality Germany was more democratic than Great Britain. World War 1 resulted in America losing 100,000 men and the Versailles Treaty being forced on Germany, which set the stage for Hitler and the Nazis coming to power.

      Lesson: Interventionism creates terrible consequences and carries a heavy price in wealth and lives.

      *The Federal Reserve was created in 1913, which centralized in the nation's banking system. Sixteen years later, in 1929, the artificially induced "roaring twenties" came to an end and the US was hit by the worse crash in its history, followed by the Fed following a deflationary policy thereby exasperating the great depression.

      Lesson: The Federal Reserve does not make the economy more stable.

      *Since Nixon took the US off the gold standard in 1971, median wages have barely increased. For the 25-34 demographic, median wages are actually lower today than they were way back in 1972, 36 years ago.
      That median wages were higher in 1972, in a time before multi-GHz processors and the internet, than they are now is absolutely OUTRAGEOUS.

      The reason for this is that, with the dollar unhinged from the gold standard, the Federal Reserve has had free reign for the last 37 years to expand the money supply to enrich its banks:

      “In the 34 years before Nixon closed the gold window, the money supply in the U.S. grew less than two fold. In the 34 years after Nixon's action, the money supply expanded 13 fold."

      Lesson: Giving the Federal Reserve private banks the power to issue a fiat currency results in the country getting poorer, and the banks getting richer (personal debt is at its highest level in history, the median wage per hour of labor has stopped increasing since 3 decades ago, and the financial sector makes up the largest percentage of the entire economy that it has ever made up in history).
  • tehawesome531, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3Here is where you are supposed to see these suggestions:
    http://www.gopplatform2008.com/RPC_Issues.aspx

    Its not working for me, however. It says that no one has submitted anything under any of the categories. It also doesn't display correctly in Firefox 3 (the calendar looks messed up).
  • More4, on 07/17/2008, -13/+1most popular policy changes demanded by Ron Paul supporters:
    1. allowance increase from Mom & Dad
    2. sad they can't vote again for Village W. Idiot
    3. more gov't handouts for us privileged white guys
    4. more corporate socialism
    • mikeee789, on 07/17/2008, -5/+0lolz at 1, so true
    • neuron79, on 07/17/2008, -0/+8Wow... you really know nothing about Ron Paul, do you?
    • nosecohn, on 07/17/2008, -1/+31 may be true, but 2, 3 & 4 are completely opposite of what RP supporters would want. Here's your list slightly modified for McCain supporters:

      1. no allowance for the grandkids
      2. sad they can't vote again for Village W. Idiot
      3. more gov't handouts for us privileged white guys
      4. more corporate socialism

    • kemp34, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Can't get much more out of it than that.
  • Nysul, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3Yah but even though Badranik is a loon at least I voted for someone with principals last time. Now I might as well stay home.

    Edit: holy ***** I should have just stayed home last time as well. From wikipedia: "taking 0.34% of the popular vote and placing fourth, just behind Ralph Nader." Is there any country out there with even slight libertarian views?
    • gbates31, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3What's so loony about Michael Badnarik? I saw this guy give an 8 hour lecture on the US Constitution and it permanently changed my perspective on law and politics. If you ever have the chance to see this guy speak. do it. It'll blow your mind.
  • jerrycurley, on 07/17/2008, -13/+0just another embarrassing day for RonPaulians in thinking that their spamming a website matters.
  • geauxtig3rs, on 07/17/2008, -12/+0I honestly can't believe that people are so stupid to believe that the Ron Paul plan would do anything but completely ***** over the entire world economy.

    US banks are only required to have one dollar in reserve for every 9 dollars of loan amount. If we were to go back to a "gold standard" then 90% of the money in circulation in the US would be absolutely worthless, furthermore the world economy would crash, since the money that we have invested abroad would devalue overnight, crippling not only ourselves, but every other country that we do business with. But wait, critical thinking is frowned upon here.

    This isn't the comment you're looking for. Move along.
    • muckemuck, on 07/17/2008, -0/+8You're absolutely right.. what we currently have makes much more sense.
      /sarcasm
      • qh4dotcom, on 07/18/2008, -0/+2http://www.politicalforum.com/elections-campaigns/ ...

        Ron Paul says:

        Well, we should follow the law, and the law is the Constitution. And the Constitution said only gold and silver should be legal tender. We don't really have clear authority to have a central bank. Jefferson and Jackson got rid of a national bank, because they didn't like it. We've only had a central bank for a relatively short period of time. But we can't get rid of the Fed in a day or a week, but we could legalize competing currencies. I mean, we compete with currencies around the world all the time. Why can't we have gold and silver competing as a currency and let people save. Get the taxes off currency. You can't tax money. So there's a way to develop a competing currency under the current situation. And if people don't like the fiat currency that continues to lose its value, they can opt out and start dealing in gold and silver.

        ***********************************

        Does that answer your concerns? You were suggesting that Ron Paul wants to return to the gold standard overnight...no, that is not the case.
    • cgbspender, on 07/17/2008, -0/+7If you can loan 9 dollars with having just one, then 8 dollars are worthless. If money has no value and is just a piece of paper printed at discretion of a few rich then it is worthless, too.

      The US economy is in a very bad state, dragging down the world economy, already, without the gold standard.
    • gbates31, on 07/17/2008, -0/+7A gold standard would cause the global economy to collapse? True, going back to a gold standard right now would cause an extreme contraction of the money supply. Everything from wages to prices to corporate earnings would be violently reduced. Then again, I don't know if you read the news, but this is the first time in history that every nation in the world has a central bank. And what's about to happen? A global economic collapse. What is the purpose of central banks? To stabilize inflation and prevent collapses. We have quite a bit of the former and are about to have the latter. The central bankers have failed miserably to fulfill their stated aims.
    • dmjarrington, on 07/17/2008, -1/+3@geauxtig3rs

      With all due respect, I don't think you know very much about the world economy.
  • Idiggapony, on 07/17/2008, -1/+13The Ron Paul revolution lives on! Not by wealth nor power of its footsoldiers, but by fundamental sanctimony of principal.

  • LoveWidescreen, on 07/17/2008, -1/+13Oh, *****. I don't buy the whole thing about "Ron Paul" supporters. Look, I've been a republican for many years and I can tell you that the Republican Party has gone so far off base that they don't even deserve to be called the Republican Party anymore. The vast majority of republicans that I know are and always have been closer to the center than to the right. THAT'S the core Republican base, which just so happens to be where Ron Paul is.

    This incident was the core base of the Republican Party telling those asshats in Washington to get their pathetic asses back onto what the core principals or Republicanism are *supposed* to be -- smaller government, fiscal responsibility, strong defense, free market where the *public* are the primary beneficiaries (not the greedy CxOs), and the oh-so-politically-incorrect idea that all men are created equal, not privileged. (Need I remind people that a higher percentage of Democrats voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 than did Republicans.)

    Correlation is NOT causation. This was not a scenario of Ron Paul supporters but rather of a segment of people of whom a subset are Ron Paul supporters ganging up on the Republican Party, which they so very much deserve. But of course this is Digg.
    • alaskanassassin, on 07/17/2008, -4/+1generalizations and stereotypes make me feel safe.
    • TonyLocNE, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2True, but as a traditional Republican who are you supporting this election cycle?
      You stated, "This was not a scenario of Ron Paul supporters but rather of a segment of people of whom a subset are Ron Paul supporters ganging up on the Republican Party, which they so very much deserve. But of course this is Digg."
      Ron Paul in very many ways is the epitome of the traditional Taft Republicans, and if that statement is correct, then doesn't correlation prove causation?
      Aside from the recent converts from the Democratic Party, I believe that Paul supporters ARE the Republicans in which you, your friends, myself, and others belong to..
      I guess I am confused on what you're trying to say.
      • LoveWidescreen, on 07/18/2008, -1/+2My point is that Digg is a bunch of Ron Paul masturbators. I **highly** doubt that this particular event had anything to do specifically with Ron Paul supporters making some collective attack on the RNC, but Digg being what it is decided to twist it around. Or, if anything, the article submitter twisted it around in order to get it to the front page, which sadly worked.
  • busta, on 07/17/2008, -12/+3Ron Paul has some good ideas, but listen to me closely you silly diggers: Abolishing the Federal Reserve and going back to the Gold Standard is a *foolish* idea. You sit here and criticize Fox news for spreading idiocy throughout America, but everyone on Digg has the same one-sided opinion style that Fox news follows.

    Piece of advice: Take a course in Macroeconomics. You will understand that the U.S. has the Federal Reserve, just like Canada has the Bank of Canada, and same with every other modern market economy in the world. You don't understand that these systems operate in a way that maximize the U.S.'s economic potential within the global economy. Bringing back the gold standard would do nothing but lower your standard of living.

    It is NOT a conspiracy. Why the hell would it be a conspiracy? This is how a modern economy operates, most countries operate with a FIAT money system just like the U.S.. Why would the governments of yours and all these other countries be out there just to screw everyone over?

    Come on people. Think!!
    • gbates31, on 07/17/2008, -2/+4"Why would the governments of yours and all these other countries be out there just to screw everyone over?
      "

      Because that's how most every government has operated in the history of history? And what would lead anyone to believe this gov't is any different?
    • thecoolestguy, on 07/17/2008, -1/+6The fed is a government sanctioned private monopoly over currency creation. Only banks that are part of the Federal Reserve System can issue USD credit (in effect, US banks can create up to 10 times the dollars that they have in reserves, by giving out loans which are backed by the US treasury). It is a cartel system and it is inherently anti-competitive, centralized, and heavily regulated.

      What we object to is the government putting restrictions on competition to USD printed by the federal reserve system. There's no reason why a privately owned cartel of banks should be given a government-backed monopoly over the national currency and the power of loan issuance.

      That people like you aren't concerned that corruption could be taking place in a situation like this, with so much money at stake and a centralized, politically appointed, system with so little transparency controlling it all, really disappoints me.

      --It is NOT a conspiracy. Why the hell would it be a conspiracy? This is how a modern economy operates, most countries operate with a FIAT money system just like the U.S..--

      Nonsense, it is a conspiracy. The Federal Reserve was conceived by major bankers at jekyll island. This is a matter of historical fact. For some reason you can accept that powerful interests getting rich off the military-industrial complex, yet cannot fathom how banking interests can get rich off the government-federal reserve complex.

      --You don't understand that these systems operate in a way that maximize the U.S.'s economic potential within the global economy. Bringing back the gold standard would do nothing but lower your standard of living.--

      The Fed was created in 1913, before the roaring twenties started. It was the Fed that was responsible for the wild swings in the US economy from the 20's to the 40's (the roaring twenties and then the great depression).

      In the 150+ years before the federal reserve, when the United States was on either the gold or silver standard, nothing like the great depression occurred, and unparalleled economic growth made America into the industrial super power of the world.

      Now, America's financial sector is bloated and bankrupt, the fed is limiting the damage and socializing the losses, and Chinese competition is challenging American industry.
    • chessmasterjoe, on 07/17/2008, -1/+5You are the one that needs to think. Money as debt will only lead to bankruptcy. We need a sound money supply. Just because everybody else has it wrong doesn't mean that we have to follow suit.
    • avengingturnip, on 07/17/2008, -0/+4"Why would the governments of yours and all these other countries be out there just to screw everyone over?" - Are you kidding? Two words for you: wealth and power. This may shock your rose-colored glasses enough to crack them but there are actually people in the world who basically have the mentality of thieves. They want your wealth and they want power over you so you cannot do anything about it.
    • TonyLocNE, on 07/18/2008, -0/+2I see what you're trying to say, but there are inherent problems with fiat monetary systems.. A prime example of one of the problems with fiat money is the potential for abuse of spending, which is quite evident in this current day. A return to the gold standard would require the government to spend only within their means, thus restricting frivolous spending.

      And regarding your macroeconomics class, I have taken both micro and macro and have seen an overwhelming bias towards Keynesian Economics. In Keynesian, the government plays a more influential role in the shaping of economic growth, as opposed to a laissez-faire free market system based on individual demand rather than aggregate demand.
  • xxxFRIARxxx, on 07/17/2008, -1/+4http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2qsukp2&s=4
  • silicongat, on 07/17/2008, -1/+10The revolutions is bigger than Ron Paul. The author either doesn't realize it or she just wrote that trash to categorize it.

    Great quotes, ***** article..
  • Macam, on 07/17/2008, -11/+1I don't know what's funnier: the response the GOP received or that Paulites think they're still relevant. Some gifts keep on giving.
  • VBVBeach, on 07/17/2008, -0/+7Write in Ron Paul in Nov.
  • Veretax, on 07/17/2008, -0/+5Here's the truth, I was neutral early into last year. I was really hoping Fred Thompson would have been more articulate and convincing, but he backed out before my state's primary. I also liked Huckabee, though I disagreed with him on a couple of issues, but when it came time in may to choose between Mike Huckabee who was clearly just waiting for McCain to sure up the delegates needed, Or John Mccain, or Ron Paul. I found myself voting for Ron Paul, because I felt of all the republicans running, Ron Paul's delegates would be the most likely to argue to keep the platform conservative.

    As it happens I found that website, and have actually submitted a few ideas. One it seems, McCain spoke about at the NAACP this past week. Although it sounds like he only wants to target inner city schools in his speech. Anyhow, here's hoping the lesson to the WE that starts off the constitution.

  • chessmasterjoe, on 07/17/2008, -0/+5I just went back to this site to see if they ever posted my comment and it only shows what was posted today. Great way to run a site. Keep the people in the dark They don't really want to know what we think. I guess I will have to post every day to get my point across. I told them to read the Constitution and to follow it to the letter.
  • Poydflink, on 07/17/2008, -0/+4If they buried it we will digg it.
  • speciallyblend, on 07/17/2008, -0/+7www.lettertogop.com read it sign it and spread it!!! press release coming soon, 10,000 have already signed and over 75% are REPUBLICANS, ALL VOTERS WELCOME, enough of the corruption and unethical tactics by the gop/mccain people who have brokwen their own by-laws in many states. STOP THE MADNESS

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