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- LevMyshkin, on 06/25/2008, -42/+176Dobson is such a tool. I was raised on that power happy hate monger. Now I'm a pro-life atheist who thinks homosexuals are wonderful charming people; I trust science; I love the thought of universal healthcare; I hate needless violence; I smoke; I write books; I make videos, and I'm voting for Obama.
Thanks Dobson. You really made a difference in my life. If not for you, I would never fully understand the nature of the deep and shameful ignorance that's peddled in the name of god.
I eat Evangelicals for breakfast now, and I enjoy the taste. - romistrub, on 06/25/2008, -20/+108"homosexuals are wonderful charming people"
Wrong. Homosexuals are people. Their homosexuality does not predispose them to be any particular type of person. - booksnmore4you, on 06/25/2008, -11/+87I'm a middle-aged evangelical, an Obama supporter, have listened to Dobson's broadcast for decades (though barely at all in the past two years or so), and read a few of his books.
There is a lot of good in what Dobson has said and written - for example, if your spouse is having an affair, you can probably do none better than heeding Dobson's advise in his 1983 book _Love Must Be Tough_.
But Dobson has grown hardened and narrow in certain of his views over the decades. And he specifically contradicted his earlier views, today.
Formerly, Dobson advocated that evangelicals look at all the issues, realizing that no one will find the "perfect candidate", and cast their vote for the person most in keeping with their values.
No longer.
Today, Dobson just cannot see beyond his hardcore two-issues: abortion and gays. And, he is advocating that Christians not even vote unless they can find someone who gives evangelicals their quite full plate.
Yet Dobson is ignoring that issues like ending the War, fighting Poverty and caring for Creation are Christian values. He's saying that abortion and gay marriage trumps these issues.
Look, I hate abortion and want to see it become rare and tragic when it does happen. And I do not think gays should enter "marriage" but instead civil unions, which would be available to anyone without reference to bedroom behavior, such as like two middle-aged widows, and not just gays.
But I, for one, disagree with Dobson's position. And I think Frank Schaeffer is right. - Thrombip, on 06/25/2008, -9/+63I'm afraid that Dr. Dobson, who started out well as a Christian Child Psychologist, has in fact been seduced by political power and media notoriety and has lost the message of the Good News -- points that Frank Schaeffer made quite well.
Here's hoping that truthful responses, spoken in love will sway the masses and carry the day -- perhaps even among conservative evangelicals. There's room at the table for many different viewpoints from people of passion and principle. - xenoc1de, on 06/25/2008, -12/+57The sad part is, Obama actually made a great speech on keeping religion from being decremental to politics, and somehow his critics think it is a good idea to ridicule it years later.
- zeitgueist, on 06/25/2008, -5/+49This article fails to convince me that this incident was at all significant. Most people won't even notice.
- asskicker32, on 06/25/2008, -13/+47I dont want to get into a semantics debate with you, but lets debate semantics and ignore the point.
- aladrin, on 06/25/2008, -4/+34So you're all for having 'civil unions' which is be just the same as 'marriage', but under a different name? Simply to segregate homosexuals from heterosexuals?
'Marriage' stopped being a religious thing when the government started charging for licenses. It should be allowed for everyone. Calling it a 'civil union' instead is just pointless segregation.
I've heard the arguments, and they don't hold up. "What does a name matter?" you say. "Exactly!" I say. If the name doesn't matter, why are you trying so hard to name it differently? Anything you try to say is unimportant and fight against is automatically important.
No, I'm not gay. I'm just sick of the ***** when it comes to gay marriage. - mockupscaledown, on 06/25/2008, -5/+35How does an under the radar non-event like this hand Obama a presidential victory?
- romistrub, on 06/25/2008, -3/+30Evangelical on Digg?! How do you survive the comments?
- busybenj, on 06/25/2008, -5/+27Another great example of why religion and politics don't mix. From Dobson's viewpoint, you're going to hell if you don't support Bush. What a ***** joke.
- scarysnow, on 06/25/2008, -14/+35So if Obama quotes the Old Testament, he's fabricating Christianity?
More of a step backward for Dobson and his "ala carte" Christian cronies. - SQLserver, on 06/25/2008, -6/+24Obama really got it right with his faith: He completely understands where and why Politics and faith should not mix.
For everyone, I suggest watching/reading the following:
'Call to Renewal' Keynote Address
http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060628-call_to_rene ...
Obama on Atheism:
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid35 ...
Barack Obama: Homophobia is Not Christian:
http://bloggernista.com/2008/03/03/barack-obama-ho ... - Mejari, on 06/25/2008, -2/+18It appears by being rational, understanding, and by not trying to force views on others.
Wait, you're right, how does someone like that survive on digg? - awtripp, on 06/25/2008, -1/+17Agreed. I can't stand a lot of straight people and I can't stand a lot of gay people. But there sexuality has nothing to do with that, it's just facts of life that ***** dumb asses can fall in to either category.
- vexingmodstwo, on 06/25/2008, -17/+33Oh sweet. So Obama has won? Can we stop the Obamaspam now?
- XxtraLarGe, on 06/25/2008, -11/+27While I really don't care for Focus on the Family, I know that on at least 2 occasions when I've heard his show, he mentioned how we should have compassion for homosexuals, not hate them. Maybe you could give some examples where he's mongered hatred toward homosexuals?
- ytsejam29, on 06/25/2008, -4/+19People like Dobson make me sick - proselytizing and politics should not mix. But really, the only people who listen to him are those who would never vote for Obama in the first place.
- mkameli, on 06/25/2008, -3/+18Not to be a tool, but I think the word you wanted is "detrimental." "Decremental" means decreasing in number or amount. Brought to you by your friendly neighborhood grammar nazi.
- DutchGuilder, on 06/25/2008, -0/+14Obama has a clear lead in the polls many months before the election, therefore he will win. Just like Ducacus, Gore, and Kerry.
- BaudiIROCZ, on 06/25/2008, -14/+28When will people understand WE ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!!!!
- LMControl, on 06/25/2008, -6/+19Another HuffPo article makes the front page.... surely Digg isn't biased.
- inactive, on 06/25/2008, -0/+12the government should only recognize civil unions I believe. Marriage is religious and if there is a church that marries gays, so be it. It shouldn't be any concern of the legislature or executive office.
In fact, of a study done of the 2400+ distinct cultures of the world, only just over half (like 52% I believe) were found to be of a hetero monogamous nature. All others were poly or same sex in some ways. - inactive, on 06/25/2008, -11/+23I think its important to point out that Dobson has been a very motivating force in my life. Specifically, he's motivated me to hate Evangelicals, Right-Wing nuts jobs, and anybody who quotes the bible on a daily basis, takes the scripture out of context, and tries to preach a message of hate with it.
The kind of ignorance he breeds and sets loose upon American society is scary to say the least. - Xondar, on 06/25/2008, -0/+12The government shouldn't be in the marriage business in the first place. It's not their place to say who can get married any more than they should be allowed to grant "licenses" for it.
- Xondar, on 06/25/2008, -1/+13There are more of us than you think.
- inactive, on 06/25/2008, -3/+14Wait a minute. According to Huffi, victory has been handed to Obama about ninety-seven times. He's going to be President for the next 388 years (not including leap years).
- neurobox, on 06/25/2008, -1/+12By turning the other cheek, my friend.
- Xondar, on 06/25/2008, -0/+11I once remember reading an issue of one of Focus on the Family's children's magazines (the title escapes me now,) where it talked about the Big Bang Theory and how it's actually a very Christian idea (nothing existed, then suddenly everything that has ever existed, will ever exist, explodes into existence.) I was just a kid at the time, but I knew the magazine was right.
Somehow I think that Focus on the Family could never, ever print such a thing now. People like Dobson would say it was anti-Christian, an "evolutionist" idea (despite the fact that the origins of the universe have nothing at all to do with evolution.) - SlvrEagle23, on 06/25/2008, -4/+15Yes, those are all certainly trendy things to believe. Don't get me wrong, I applaud you for giving logic and reason a greater influence in your life, but the way your post is structured seems to imply you believe those things mostly as retaliation against the poor representatives of the opposing beliefs that you grew up with.
You should be careful to not take the ideological swing into the other extreme, in particular by hating your newfound opponents or showing unusual affection to others. As was said above, homosexuals are standard individuals who are still subject to being considered cool or sucky based on their actual personality traits. The point of equality there is not to prevent them from getting crap, it's to prevent them from getting crap for biological things they exerted no control over. The rest is still fair game.
Also, maybe you don't want to indirectly suggest that the viewpoints you have are mutually exclusive to non-Christians. When you say things like "I'm an atheist, I support universal healthcare and Obama", you make the indirect association between the first item and the second two. This might not seem like a big deal until you consider the huge amount of pride most American Christians feel in their own belief structure. If they consider opposing universal healthcare to be a way of identifying with that belief, they'll oppose it on those grounds alone, so you don't want to invite that.
If you arrived at each of those ideologies separately and based on their own merits, then that's a good thing. If, however, you picked up one or two and the rest by association, maybe you should try to establish some viewpoint on them based on more solid foundations than that. There's still the very real possibility that you'll reach the exact same conclusions all over again, but as it stands right now it seems a little like a trendy coincidence. - LinkGCN4, on 06/25/2008, -2/+13He's clearly stating that they are similar in that they are extremely slanted and distort facts to convey a certain political ideology.
- emmyroo, on 06/25/2008, -0/+10I agree with this comment so very much. Every union of two people - gay, straight, or whatever - should be granted a legal civil union, which bestows the legal rights of marriage. Then individuals can have a wedding ceremony where they marry each other in the eyes of family, friends, and - if they wish - God. I feel that having the government get its slimy paws all over the sacrament of marriage devalues the spiritual connection between two people who have devoted and sacrificed themselves to become one.
- SQLserver, on 06/25/2008, -0/+10I agree infinitely more with Rev. Wright then some idiot like John Hagee or Ken Hovind.
- pcrow, on 06/25/2008, -0/+10Seeking advice in difficult situations is a good thing. Books are a valid source. Having the wisdom to separate good advice from bad is important.
- emmyroo, on 06/25/2008, -1/+11Just because my religious beliefs are of a more conservative Christian ilk doesn't mean squat about who I'm voting for. I'm slowly becoming convinced that Obama is the more Christlike candidate, since McCain is the one who forgets the greatest Commandments. These other commenters have said it as well as I ever could. Yes, I am a Christian, and my faith affects everything I do and believe, even in politics. Yes, I believe that abortion yields the end of a very innocent life and should not be performed unless absolutely necessary, and yes, I believe that individual churches should be allowed to decide whether or not they recognize homosexual marriages. I wish people weren't so prejudiced against Christians. If I were black or gay, no one would treat me so rudely when I have done nothing to them.
- boonesfarm, on 06/25/2008, -2/+11I hope nobody considers Huffington a news source
- DragoonWraith, on 06/25/2008, -0/+9He didn't say straight people weren't charming and wonderful; he could very easily just have an extremely optimistic viewpoint where he considers every person charming and wonderful.
And regardless, it was clearly a literary choice of words, not a philosophical one. He chose that phrasing because he wanted to highlight the contrast of the before and after.
Words are for communication, and he communicated eloquently and efficiently. Do you honestly think that he now feels that being gay automatically makes someone entirely pleasant? - DrDigg, on 06/25/2008, -0/+9When everyone knows it's Patrick's fault
- Phearce, on 06/25/2008, -0/+9You missed the point. RTA.
- eir574, on 06/25/2008, -1/+9"tolerance is in short supply when it comes to dealing with Christians"
I don't know about you in particular, but I think at least some of the Christians who say they're oppressed and that people are intolerant towards them confuse intolerance towards their beliefs with intolerance towards them. An attack on a person's belief is not an attack on the person or on his right to hold that belief. Certainly there are some people who are intolerant towards Christians, but I also see a lot of people on digg complaining about intolerance towards Christians when in fact what they're observing are just disagreements with or attacks on certain Christian beliefs rather than on the people who hold those beliefs. Some people seem to think that in order to respect someone, I must show respect not just for that person's right to believe what they want, but for the beliefs themselves. - drazen77, on 06/25/2008, -9/+17Dear god can we stop with the huffington post BS?!?! Don't you monkies have anything better to do than spout off overly opinionated garbage?
Ariana makes Ann look like a puppy to her pitbull with this crap.
Make it stop, for the love that you all hold dear... make it stop!!! - inactive, on 06/25/2008, -7/+15lol @ the jesus freaks who still take this guy seriously, and ROFL @ the jesus freaks who after like 2 decades are finally starting to realize that they've been led astray by a political party organized principally to advance secular financial interests. It seems that any republican who can at least mumble something about jesus and adam and eve or whatever has been able to command their feverish support. Kudos to senator Obama for recognizing the strength of this "message." I'm pretty sure Obama is secretly an atheist, but then I'm also pretty sure George Bush and John McCain are too.
- basefx, on 06/25/2008, -1/+9So how do you determine how much training and expertise someone needs before they are allowed to talk about it?
- asskicker32, on 06/25/2008, -2/+10The point is this guy was brought up being closed minded and now he has expanded his mind and sees Dobson for what he is and sees the futility in hating people for any long held religious beliefs.
Whether or not he chooses to say "[the homosexuals I know are] wonderful and charming" or what he said above is beside the point. - Technohamster, on 06/25/2008, -1/+8He attacked sponge bob for making children gay.
- hapax, on 06/25/2008, -1/+8He's half-black.
- gryphon50, on 06/25/2008, -5/+12how is it "drinking the kool-aid" to come up with your own set of opinions?
- Kinnkster, on 06/25/2008, -2/+9Good values have nothing to do with religion.
- saintgenius, on 06/25/2008, -21/+28More HuffPo articles about Obama, please.
- LinkGCN4, on 06/25/2008, -2/+9You think this is bad? Wait till Obama loses in November. Think of all the articles about "If Obama was Prez...."
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