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- ChessPieceFace, on 10/11/2007, -9/+45"The Candidate that can't face Fox, can't face Al Qaeda" Ahh...so Fox does equal Al Qaeda.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+26Maybe Roger Ailes and the rest of the FOX crew should ENLIST and show those Dems how to do it right.
Right there on the front-lines fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq and Afghanistan. - EntropyMan, on 10/11/2007, -6/+20@thcobbs, I don't know. You have Mr. GOP in Arkansas calling for more terrorist attacks on the US, Mr. 911iani saying to elect a Republican or we'll get hit again, and now Mr. Propaganda himself saying that dealing with Fox news is critical for dealing with Al Qaeda.
I think the truth is finally coming out. Al Qaeda can only kill us. The real terror happens at home. - quakerorts, on 10/11/2007, -7/+21That's what I was I thinking. Did Ailes just compare Fox "News" to Al Qaida? I think I see his point!
- JCSaint, on 10/11/2007, -9/+21We all know that Fox News and Al Qaeda both want to destroy America....
- IrishJoe, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12So the fact that the Republicans have refused to debates sponsored by Air America would mean that they're even afraid of a little radio network. Air America even told them, "Look you can show the world what cowards the Democrats are by participating in a debate hosted by us." The Republican candidates said, "No thanks." Which means "We're cowards and will only be in debates held by the Corporate MSM who know which side their bread is buttered on." They way the MSM treats Ron Paul, Mike Gravel and Kucinich shows that they know which side their bread is buttered on. I'd like to see a debate with the three I just mentioned. At least we'd hear more truth than when the "mainstream" candidates get all the debate time.
- Trublmakr, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14Anyone else think Fox News CEO Roger Ailes looks like the biological result of Cheney humping a walrus?
- dtfinch, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14Fox is comparing itself to Al Qaeda?
- EntropyMan, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14Nope. Saying "we don't negotiate with terrorists" is not denying they exist. It's simply understanding that negotiating with them can only make things worse.
Same with Fox News. - JohnReb, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7How would there be more "spin" or lies on a FOX/Congressional Black Caucus sponsored debate than any other?
The broadcast would still be live, people could still watch and hear the actual statements from the candidates just like on CNN or MSNBC. All the nets have after debate talk shows, if you don't want to hear what the FOX talking heads say, you can simply turn to a more comfortable set of mouthpieces.
All that would be different would be how tough the questions would be on those particular candidates. Is that what they are afraid of? - flernk, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10@thcobbs
All of your arguments are reinforcing the fact that Fox News is a right-leaning and biased news organization. The Democrats aren't turning their back on Fox because they're afraid, they're turning their back because Fox is a pretend news station. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+11Fox needs the Democrats more than the Democrats need Fox.
Thanks for confirming that, Roger. - identifiedlogo, on 10/11/2007, -5/+9How about this, FOX=Al Qaeda ...Retards
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I don't hate the Democrats at all. But this posturing of theirs does show that they lack, shall we say, intestinal fortitude.
- swrostmore, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6I'm tempted to say fox news has done more harm to America than al Qaeda has, but that would be a little over the top. One could certainly make a valid argument to that effect if one chose to do so.
- eagle22s, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5And for all you who don't understand...Fox news has the highest ratings of all the cable and mainstream televised news.
- Waiting2awake, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6 I beleive it does make sense, if you look at it in a certain light...
Just for an example.....
Fox is a media company. They make their money from their advertisers, not the watchers.
The advertisers, should care about what the viewers say, but clearly it doesn't matter.
The average American couldn't stop watching TV if they wanted too, and after years of the tube, they don't want to.
Thus, viewers will always be there, thus the advertisers don't have to care, thus the media doesn't care.
The good news is it is up to the American population, all they have to do is stop watching it.
The bad news is they can't stop watching it. - polyGone, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6If the Republicans are 'afraid' of how a little news station will treat them, how would they stand up against Al-Queda?
I am not a fan of the democratic party, but your logic seems reversed just three comments down.
Fox News has a neo-conservative agenda, not conservative. They rip apart conservatives, also. *ahem Ron Paul
I can't see anyone other than a neo-con wanting to be on there. - JohnReb, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3“Would it be good for America to have Bill Clinton back living in the White House?”
That question was actually asked of the Republican candidates in the first debate this year by Chris Matthews on MSNBC.
Even if Fox would ask the question you proposed, why would that be worse than this one? - halleyscomet, on 10/11/2007, -5/+8@thcobbs
It's not an issue of fearing FOX news. The fact of the matter is FOX is a propaganda arm of the republican Party. There's no point to go on a propaganda outlet whose sole intention is to make you look bad. Running for President is a full time job, and it would be a waste of their time to go on FOX.
Are the GOP candidates going on "Air America" for interviews? - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3They're not "ripping" apart Ron Paul, they're ignoring him as they should. He's a fringe candidate that almost no one cares about and he's not going to be a factor in the next Presidential election. He's not news worthy so why cover him?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"They make their money from their advertisers, not the watchers."
Without watchers you can't get advertisers.
"The advertisers, should care about what the viewers say"
They do and the viewers seem to be happy with Fox news. You don't watch so they don't care what you're saying.
"Thus, viewers will always be there, thus the advertisers don't have to care, thus the media doesn't care."
Really? Shows are canceled all the time for a lack of viewers. Air America went bankrupt because no one was listening to it. If no one is watching or listening the media and the advertisers care a great deal.
"The good news is it is up to the American population, all they have to do is stop watching it."
That's the only thing in your entire post that is correct but your problem, when applied to Fox News is the fact that they're killing the other news stations in the ratings. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5"As a Canadian, I find it interesting listing to right wing Americans. They are so incredibly far right, in relation to the main countries, and they never even notice it. "
We find it interesting how far to the left everyone else is... I find it interesting that the rest of the world thinks it should matter to us how far to the left they are - Cmonkey67, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6@thcobbs
"so if you can't stand up to the pussies, what are you gonna do when the bad-asses come to town?"
I think you summed up Mr. Ailes' argument. However, as you so eloquently put earlier "It's a presidential campaign after all." and the democratic candidates are chasing after liberal and moderate voters, not conservative FNC watching voters.
To put the argument between you and irishjoe into context, I would say that the Republicans don't want to debate on air America, not because they have low ratings, because in political circles they don't, it's because they don't feel like trying to convince a group of people that they probably can't convince. The same holds true for the Democrats and Fox News.
It's called party politics. Welcome to America. - AlexLibman, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6Fox News has done a thousand times more harm to me personally than Al Qaeda could ever dream of.
- eagle22s, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4@admiralmpj The Dem's running for president refuse to have their debate on Fox news...as you say they are afraid of having their "words twisted"
Here is how a debate takes place for those that don't seem to understand. A question is asked...the candidates answer their views on the question...other candidates comment on the question and the other answers...the VIEWER'S watching the debate decide what they think of the answers.
How do tell is that twisting the views of the candidates? - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4You could've made the same argument at one point about whether or not the world was flat. The USA is too far to the left in my opinion, and I think we need a hard right turn. If only Ron Paul didn't have the "bring the troops home now" position I'd say he's the guy.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5Why is thecobbs being dugg down? How old is Roger Ailes? 60? I think that "why don't you ENLIST" argument is beyond stupid in this case. And as always I throw this back into their faces, if you opposed the war even moreso than I support it shouldn't you be dedicating your life to the cause? There are groups out there for you, join up with N.O.R.M.L. and travel the country "fighting the good fight". Honestly, it's less of a sacrifice than going to Iraq. You should be doing it if you aren't already.
- bimtott, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3@thcobbs
Ailes thinks that getting browbeaten on his network actually has something to do with standing up to terrorism, and it looks like you agree.
Give me a break. Nobody pretends Fox News is "fair and balanced" anymore, and Democrats generally don't watch that network. The only people watching will be mostly Republicans, who don't vote in the Democratic primary. What other reason do the Democratic candidates need? It's as simple as that. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+6More Democrats and Independents watch Fox than CNN, Headline News, and MSNBC combined. I personally never pretended Fox is 100% unbiased but it's actually much less biased than just about any other mainstream tv news source. Fox is a right leaning TV outlet in a sea of socialist agenda driven news organizations, and you people can't stand it.
- aceg1357, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Besides the obvious fact that he is above the age limit to enlist and couldn't serve even if he wanted, your comment is moronic at best.
- Waiting2awake, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4 When will the tripe about the other main news channels being "Liberal" die? All the news channels are owned by Republicans aren't they?
As a Canadian, I find it interesting listing to right wing Americans. They are so incredibly far right, in relation to the main countries, and they never even notice it. - polyGone, on 10/11/2007, -4/+4@thecobbs
You can't shoot the people who twist words. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3I think Ailes was right
- chaesar, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3And who is facing Al Qaeda? Name one politician of any party who has actually faced Al Qaeda, instead of just throwing money and young Americans at the problem.
Hell, Al Qaeda is probably easier to deal with, at least they'd listen to you. - thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -9/+9Minor points...
1.) He's too old
2.) He's overweight
3.) They'd probably use him in a PR aspect if they ignored 1&2 - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+4The Democrats are alienating themselves... It's kinda funny that when the Democrats have the best chance to win the White House (without a strong right leaning third party) in 30 years they're doing ***** like this. Keep marching leftwards you morons. I think the reason half of the right wing pundits are saying they're worrying about Hillary is because they know this country will never elect her. The Democrats are blowing it.
- blaze4metal, on 10/11/2007, -5/+5I watch Fox News and I'm an Independent. Do I watch it for news? No. For entertainment? Yes.
- ripstuntz, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3So true.
- aceg1357, on 10/11/2007, -5/+4If the republican candidates acted the same way as the democratic candidates, there would be no debates on ABC, CBS, NBC or CNN. Luckily they are not as weak and childish.
- bimtott, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3But do they take it seriously?
- aahpandasrun, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3This is exactly WHY the democrats won't do a debate on Fox News
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2"The Democrats are blowing it."
Where did we hear that before.... Oh yeah, just before the GOP lost both houses of Congress in the last election.
The nation is moving left because of the right wing's failures to deliver on it's promises. The right promised that they would reduce the size of government and that would magically make everything better. They delivered astounding incompetence instead. They failed miserably in two major national crises, allowing the worst attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor, then failing to respond to a natural disaster. More Americans are without healthcare. More Americans had their homes foreclosed. More American jobs moved overseas. Real inflation blew through the roof. The gap between the ultra rich and 99% of us widened dramatically. The GOP went on an orgy of corruption and malfeasance squandering the public treasury in the outrageous display of corruption and vote selling. The Democrats suck and they are still light years ahead of the GOP. I'm not a Democrat, I'm just sane and I have seen all I need to know about the American right wing.
Dude, YOU guys are who blew it. - AtHomeBoy2000, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1I agree with swrostmore.
- Osjpr, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1gg, eagle22s, where to start... surely you know that it's a lot more complex than simple question/answer? Part of the key is recognizing average people are ignorant of manipulative devices in speech. I'll post a couple of links in the hope you get the point. So a question is just an innocent question, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_question
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_many_questions - Waiting2awake, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1 @JCM,
Good point. You could have made that claim, in certain circles but not the entire world. In fact only a very small minority beleived that the world was flat, unfortunately, that minority of people is where we get most of our history. The vedics in India, long before the flat earth theory started, had already mapped out the stars - as had the Asians.
In other words, if one country thinks one thing(flat earth / far right), while the rest of the world thinks another ( sun centric universe / liberal ideals), the odds are is that the one country is missing something, rather than everyone else missing something.
- Cmonkey67, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2"Is George Bush a great president or the greatest president, Mike Gravel?"
- Waiting2awake, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1@JCM
You know what "they" say though. If you think one thing, and everyone else thinks something else; someONE is wrong. - Afreyt, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1If this hurts the democrats so much, why are you so angry about it. I thought you hated them? You should be happy.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1Tyra Banks has more viewers than Fox "News."
On election night 2006, when cable news drew it's largest viewing audience, both CNN and Fox combined drew fewer viewers (3.4 million each) than the Spongebob Squarepants movie (7.2 million) on Nickelodeon (a repeat.) And the broadcasters dwarf cable ratings.
No one cares if you are the world's best selling ***** sandwich. You're still a ***** sandwich. -
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