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- yourmom, on 10/12/2007, -8/+180im in ur justice system stealin ur class equality
- PsychoticClown, on 10/12/2007, -2/+93How much for not getting dick-stabbed in the showers?
- RomeyRome, on 10/12/2007, -8/+60Shut your broke ass up and go back to general population.
- SickFinga, on 10/12/2007, -1/+48Not good enough.
Now, this is a cool jail.
http://rankyspanky.com/2007/03/26/austrianprison/ - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+36Lesson learned: In America, have lots of money. It makes life easier.
- Johan87, on 10/12/2007, -0/+31Not just in America.
- schroeder, on 10/12/2007, -5/+29Looks nicer than my bedroom where i spend 80% of my time. Give me a laptop and broadband and being a criminal doesn't look so bad!
If prison was like that for everyone it would only be a minor deterrent. People who have the money for those places arn't gonna be raping each other or ***** like that. Rich people should get the same as everyone else. - Cyberen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26more like Capitalism at its worst. Prisons have become a buisness you know. Tougher laws are there so they get more "customers".
Ironic that those who committed the most heinous and far-reaching of crimes (Tom Delay, etc) can afford this when they should be ass-***** for every American they stole from. - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26Finally, capitalism and the privatization of prisons come together like peanut butter and chocolate.
- Haphazardness, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25Are conjugal visits included?
- s33k4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20theres a picture in the article you dumbass
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/04/29/us/29jail.xlarge1.jpg
Nicole Brockett is serving her sentence for drunken driving in a pay-to-stay cell at the jail in Santa Ana, Calif. - RomeyRome, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21The poor person has the same rights. He just can't afford it.
They both have the right to hire a lawyer, but the broke guy is gonna get stuck with the public defender. - barc0001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17@dfick:
Where the hell did I say "the stronger people should get an easier time in jail"? I just pointed out that *is* the way it works right now. You're a 350lb slab of muscle, nobody screws with you unless they want to be missing a few teeth. You're a 130lb weakling in there busted for having a joint, and you're everyone's bitch, literally. That's the current reality, and it's WRONG. If you get sent to jail to serve a sentence imposed as a punishment by the courts, the jail should at least be capable of keeping you safe from other inmates' violence, but that's not the way it works. And with the high incidence of disease in jails too, it's just sickening what can happen. Go to jail for 30 days, you might come out assraped and HIV positive. Tell me how that's not cruel and unusual punishment. - Johan87, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16I don't plan on committing any crimes, or if I do I sure as hell don't plan on getting caught for them.
However if i was to get thrown in jail for something, my skinny white ass would pay many times this rate to keep itself safe and FAR away from Bubba! - barc0001, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16I think the bigger problem is that the "regular" jails are so damn dangerous to anyone who isn't a "hardened" type. It's a JAIL. Everyone in a jail is supposed to be under control, so why is it that the US jails are hellholes for anyone who isn't capable of physically defending themselves? Even the article points out that one of these posh places used that information as advertising:
“Our sales pitch at the time was, ‘Bad things happen to good people,’ ” said Janet Givens, a spokeswoman for the Pasadena Police Department.
WTF? How about fixing that instead of creating a separate system to isolate the ones with the cash? - iamjames, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17@dorxincandeland
There are pics, can't you see the photo on the main page? Looks the same as the local jails. Same ***** blankets and thin mats and everything. Text says they get cellphones and sometimes laptops which is definitely not something you get here.
My question is: if they can afford $82/day, how come they couldn't pay a good attorney? Guess it's a last resort after paying the attorney and getting the sentenced reduced as far as possible. The 22-yr-old girl in the story is a bartender that got 21 days for drunk driving and paid $82 a day up front for the nice rooms. That's $1,722.
Story says it brings money that tax payers don't have to pay to upgrade jails and people paying fight less. I still think it's unfair. Means the rest of the jail's just going to get worse and they're only going to focus on people willing to pay. Also how high can they go? Sky's pretty much the limit, as high as people are willing to pay. If someone pays a little more can they get cable? Satellite? Showtime and HBO? Leave for a few hours a day? How much to leave all day? It's a downward spiral. - SlvrEagle23, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13I'm sure they have plenty of pics on travel-ocity.com...
Seriously, messing up URLs is like switching "its" and "it's" in a published article. How many people writing for major publications still think the Internet is a series of tubes? - Jayphen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10This reminds me of San Pedro prison in Bolivia. The entire prison is sectioned into different star ratings, and the inmates have to purchase their cells. The richer inmates (politicians etc) have a 5-and-a-half star section complete with cable tv, ensuite bathrooms, etc. The entire prison has its own economy system, and inmates run shops and restaurants as well as buy and sell 'properties' (cells). The prison also houses cocaine labs that the guards tend to turn a blind eye to (in return for constant bribes), and is actually a major source of cocaine in the country. Of course, the Bolivian government denies it all.
There is a book about the prison called "Marching Powder", by Rusty young. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marching_powder .. I highly recommend it. - Comatose51, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Welcome to America is more like it. Believe it or not, there are actually places and countries in this world where the people are smart enough to not let these things happen. I believein Finland the traffic fine is calculated as a portion of your annual salary to hit both the poor and the rich equally.
Who are we to complain though? We have a democracy and if things suck it's our own damn fault. "Democracy is guarantee that a people will get no better than what they deserve." -Georger Bernard Shaw - greenbeanz69, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9welcome to life.
- meishme, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Prisons made by politicians, just in case.
- LexisNexis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7It looks nicer than my dorm room : (
- Mithrander, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"We're all Americans, but some of us are more American than others."
lol...very true. Your 'american-ness' is directly proportional to the amount of money you make in a year.
This is ridiculous. Fear of jail is what helps many people stay on the right side of the law (I'm thinking specifically of people thinking about driving drunk). Why, if you knew there was a cozy day-spa in town you could stay at if you got caught, would you not do it (except for the fact you might kill someone, but hey, they probably made less money than you anyway...) - EdgarVerona, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6No worries, I think most of the posts in this thread will be absolutely dripping with sarcasm.
But we'll all be paying our 83$ a day, so at least we can safely pick up our bar of soap while we're still wet with it. ;) - EdgarVerona, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6LOL! Damn, I didn't think of that... that's really, really lame. I mean, it's almost like whipping your ***** out and pissing on the justice system if you pay for your luxury cell with the very stolen funds that landed you in jail. I don't know if you could consider it ironic, but it's definately sad. I think if we identify anyone that's doing that, we should have Bubba give them a forced conjugal visit in their deluxe cell.
- Comatose51, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Go privatization!
Now a rich person can commit a crime and not only be able to hire a top notch lawyer but also get to stay at a relatively nice place to serve their time. From that picture, it looks much nicer than some of the hostels I've stayed at in Europe.
"...with justice for all!" - Junkyarddawg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6$82 per night for a clean motel-room-standard room? They're overcharging.
In Sweden, you get it for free. http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0407/09/NYHETER-09s28-cell-82_368.jpg
(That's quoted as "An ordinary prison cell" by Swedish tabloid 'Aftonbladet' - it is where the murderer of Swedish foreign-affairs minister Anna Lindh serves his time) - laserblazer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It would appear rich people don't like to be raped in prison.
- therearenorules, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Wow, that is ridiculous. Us poor people have to suffer for our crimes while the rich people get to serve their time in luxury. :(
- EdgarVerona, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Well, we can't have our former child actors in Gen Pop can we?
/sarcasm
Seriously though, I agree that it's pretty sad. Jail should be jail, no matter who you are and what you did. if what you did was severe enough that a jury/judge (depending on the case) ruled you should go to jail, I don't think they were imagining that you'd be getting preferential treatment while you were there. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Dude... drunk driving kills a whole lot of people in America. And the 21 days she got is probably for her 5th or 6th offense or something crazy. Three weeks in jail is not a harsh penalty for selfish actions that could have resulted in the deaths of a lot of people.
- leonidas333, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5 This is carp. I just recently sent a a-hole away for online fraud and identity theft and he has been able to defraud innocent online victims of millions and millions, non of which the government will be able to take away. Now on top of every thing someone like him would be able to pay to 'Upgrade' their accommodation.
this stinks so much. If the gov want money, make a holess like him do somthin constructive like design websites or more manual labor to pay for their accommodation. - EdgarVerona, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Indeed true iamjames. How long will it be until you can pay a fee to simply stay at home instead of even showing up to jail at all? I suppose it's somewhat already like that when judges give out "X days or X dollars" punishments, but I think most people find that to be unfair as well. Well, at least I do as someone who'd have no choice but to choose the "X days" option. =(
- EdgarVerona, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I posted this earlier today... http://www.digg.com/offbeat_news/Upgrade_your_Jail_stay_in_California , but someone said that it required them to register. What is it about this link that made it so you don't have to register? I'm asking purely for educational purposes, because the guy gave me a lot of unnecessary ***** for it, when I was just trying to post what obviously many people consider to be a valid story.
- pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4so the poor people who made a mistake deserve to get beaten and raped? i believe that noone should be beaten and raped in prison. this just makes it so the people who benefited most from their crimes financially can escape what everyone else goes through.
- laserblazer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This seems like a clear message: crime is now an industry in America and we encourage you to proceed without fear of being treated like a peasant if you're successful enough.
We're all Americans, but some of us are more American than others. - egrumling, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@sickfinga
That prison looks like that because it isn't for punishment, but for rehabilitation. Prisons in this country started out as a place for rehab (not the Betty Ford Clinic kind, but the "make you a better person contributing to society" kind). At some point (maybe after Texas got statehood), prisons became punishment. Add the war on drugs and the dollars that brings to an area, and soon convicts contribute more to society by remaining criminals rather than getting a real job. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Same thing happens in India.
In fact in my country if you haven't spent much time in jail and don't have many warrants against you, you are not working hard enough.
1/4 of Indian parliamentarians are involved in some type of court case.
I will blame M. Gandhi for this, he is responsible for glamorising jails. - EdgarVerona, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Indeed, it's much nicer than even some of the dorm rooms I stayed in during college. There's one in particular I remember where even just the space they show in their picture is significantly larger than the room I stayed in for a year and paid over 800$/month for while getting my higher education. =) (though I suppose it'd cost significantly more per month to stay at this "deluxe cell", that's not quite the point... seeing as how they should be in Prison, not a tennis club. ;) )
- EdgarVerona, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Heh, I think this is finally an issue that (it seems) everyone on all sides of the political spectrum can be enraged at. Who knew?
- KhyberPass, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Having worked in a jail for 5 years, I don't disagree with this. Many people make mistakes and they DO learn from them. I don't think that because they made a mistake that they should be further punished by being beaten or raped.
- EdgarVerona, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Indeed, and I think that's most people's point here. Take two people who commit the same crime (Say, DUI like the girl in this article).
One of them is rich, and buys a luxury cell. No prison raping for her.
One of them is poor, and goes to GenPop. Careful with that bar of soap.
See, now one of them pays a more significant penalty for the crime committed simply because of her income level. What people here are proposing is that we ought to be taking more significant steps to prevent this from happening in the first place. And indeed, your idea of seperating based on severity of the crime is one of many valid options that would help to reduce that. Paying to get out of the situation doesn't seem like a fair deal however. - digiguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2She's hot. Is she looking for a roomie?
- SultanTravi, on 10/12/2007, -18/+20What the *****? No criminal will be influenced not to commit any more crimes by their prison stay if it's like a damn hotel.
This is ridiculous. Elitism at its worst. And I'm not usually one to complain about "elitism." Justice should be blind. - rm999, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3iamjames
I don't think it will be a downward spiral, because the jails realize they are still jails and have limits. From the article, they explain these jails have existed for about 15 years, and have had virtually no problems. People who are willing to spend 2500/month aren't the types to cause trouble and prolong their sentences. - chootia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Looks 10X nicer than my residence room in Waterloo uni.
- pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3this is pathetic.
1. if you are rich you can get yourself a better defense than your average joe. this means you have better chance of getting off entirely. our judicial system is already pay to play.
2. white collar crimes don't carry nearly as harsh a punishment as other crimes. looting the retirement plans of thousands of people is somehow less of an offense than robbing a bank.
3. now you can buy yourself a more comfy jail cell in case your high-priced lawyer couldn't get you off.
there is already enough inequality in our legal and justice systems. this taking it to a new level. i guess the next step will be to pay extra for house arrest. then pay some more and just get probation. - pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3the article talks about rich people being able to buy themselves a lighter punishment and you are worried about the term "ipod"?
- EdgarVerona, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@SilvrEagle
... but that's what my Congressman told me! And they always tell the truth...
...
right?
@schroeder
You're in luck! Most of the places they listed allowed you to bring in your laptop! Hell, it sounds better than the sh**hole I live in right now! =) -
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