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- AngryDeuce, on 10/21/2009, -10/+977Yup, nothing wrong with our current system. Nothing at all...
- profgiles, on 10/21/2009, -12/+590Wow. Just. Wow.
- Maddoktor2, on 10/21/2009, -13/+471This makes Palin's charging victims for rape kits look humanitarian in comparison.
- deerheart7, on 10/21/2009, -9/+387This makes me crazy... I am an independent insurance agent and I still cannot believe that there are people who think our health system does NOT need to be reformed when there are stories like this everyday. Amazing.. wake up people WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM that needs reform!!!
- JuanDCope, on 10/21/2009, -2/+367Best Health care system in the world. .... in THE WORLD.
- ElectroOverlord, on 10/21/2009, -7/+338My lack of support for private health insurance companies is a pre-existing condition. ***** them!
- mickman17, on 10/21/2009, -54/+354That truly is as Un-American as it gets.
- Chooxo, on 10/21/2009, -53/+289Slightly over-the-top headline and description, there.
She got raped. She took precautionary post-exposure antiretroviral medication. Fortunately she wasn't infected. Then, insurance companies wouldn't take her on because they got suspicious of the HIV connection, thanks to the medication she had taken.
This is dumb and harsh of the insurance companies, of course, to ignore the fact that
1. She isn't infected with HIV
2. She doesn't engage in high-risk behaviour related to HIV infection (there's no choice in being raped)
Still, the headline seems a bit emotive. - ColonelSlanders, on 10/21/2009, -14/+220life itself may as well be a pre-existing condition
but don't forget what the republicans tell us, we have the best health care in the world!!!! - Hosaki, on 10/21/2009, -3/+205The most important card in my wallet doesn't say "VISA" or "driver's license"... It says "OHIP". That's "Ontario Health Insurance Plan" and it means that I can walk into any hospital or doctor's office and get the help I need, quickly and without any cost. No one is denied an OHIP card, and there's even programs to help homeless people get them. That's how bloody important we Canadians think our healthcare is. I can't see how any decent country could deny the same to their citizens. Shame on you, USA. Fix this.
- inactive, on 10/21/2009, -28/+184How is it un-American?
America is about capitalism, making money at no cost - providing care would be giving up this money.
Greed does make up most of America's success, you know! - Blade2000, on 10/21/2009, -9/+150She had a vagina before the trip, therefore it was "pre-existing". Case closed.
- Cannonballkid, on 10/21/2009, -5/+141I TYPE IN CAPS TO BE NOTICED! I USE EQUAL SIGNS IN NON MATHEMATICAL SITUATIONS! HULK SMASH!
- alexacastrato, on 10/21/2009, -8/+138This is absolutely retarded. She's completely HIV-free and it's a simple blood test to prove it.
Next, they'll tell us being able to breathe is a pre-existing condition. - hmcook87, on 10/21/2009, -3/+127What, so in the USA you can only get insurance if you've never been sick before? Because sick people are too expensive? Why on earth don't these companies realise that the costs to them for treating the expensive sick people are offset by the savings they get from taking money from the majority of people who are healthy and cheap. Thats how the entire concept of insurance works. Imagine being denied home insurance because there was an earthquake 20 years ago...
- AngryDeuce, on 10/21/2009, -7/+121GIMME BACK THE MIC KANYE!!!!! =D
- aufte, on 10/21/2009, -7/+108As long as Americans keep bending over, Americans will keep getting the shaft. Burn down a few insurance buildings and see if they ever ***** with you like that again.
"You let 'em kick you five times, they'll kick you five times. You let 'em kick you four times, they'll kick you four times... You break their *****' feet, ain't gonna be no more kickin' goin' on." - EarlOfLade, on 10/21/2009, -15/+112Let the free market sort things out, it always works...
- According to the Ron Paul crazies and other tea-baggers. - globetrecker1, on 10/21/2009, -8/+97This is absurd. Heard the other stories about the babies families being denied this week in Colorado because the baby was too small or too chubby?
If the U.S. can afford to enter a fake war, the U.S. can afford to ensure that ALL Americans, not just the wealthy, receive health care....I am so tired of the republicans saying we cannot afford to reform the pathetic entity they call health care...it is time put a stop to executives and their companies profiting from health insurance...health care is a right, and not a privilege.
A slogan written on a banner waved by one of Obama's opponents stated "HEALTHCARE IS NOT A RIGHT" That sums up the pathetic state of U.S. health care, which is utterly and completely un-American.
Healthcare should NOT be run as a for-profit business, that is counter productive to the interests of good health.
There are only two types of people against health care reform: people who stand to lose money from the competition of a public option, and people who have been fooled into believing the lies spread by the first group, such as those about rationing, euthanasia, et al. Worse still is that those common people who are so passionately fighting this reform would be the very people who would benefit from it, they've just been tricked into fighting for the wrong side.
Public option now! Let's finally do something right in this country.... - ayeroxor, on 10/21/2009, -13/+98..and?
/monocle-wearing republican fat cat - mkriss5681, on 10/21/2009, -15/+96With Republicans current attitudes towards rape, I'm sure they'll agree to a law banning this sort of thing.
- skeen07, on 10/21/2009, -7/+79Damn America, you scary!
- AngryDeuce, on 10/21/2009, -6/+71"The only thing worse than insurance companies would be government-run insurance"
Brought to you by Aetna and the Health Insurance Lobby.
"I just don't want to be dragged into the bureaucratic hellhole with you"
Feel free to move to a country without socialized medicine then. - TheEggAndI, on 10/21/2009, -1/+66did you?
- RogerMcDodger, on 10/21/2009, -1/+65Why offset when you can make more profit?
- Purplekat, on 10/21/2009, -4/+66America... ***** YEAH!
- DarkGerbil, on 10/21/2009, -2/+63Just because our military isn't in the news everyday for killing puppies doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
- icexe, on 10/21/2009, -1/+62last time I checked you had paved roads to drive on, dams to provide you with power, clean water, snow removed from your street in winter, trash picked up every week, elevators that were reliable, cars that were safe to drive, the Internet, and a host of other things.. So what was your point again?
- RogerStrong, on 10/22/2009, -2/+60You mean like World War II, where the U.S. conducted business-as-usual with Germany for a couple years while Canada was already fighting? (And already training American pilots, etc.)
Or WWI where the U.S. finally showed up as it was winding down?
Or that failed U.S. invasion of Canada back in 1812?
For the record - on affordability - Americans currently pay more TAXES for health care than countries with universal health care.
That includes those Americans who are denied it anyway, because they can't afford to pay a SECOND time, for insurance, out of pocket.
It includes those Americans who HAVE also paid the second time for many years, only to be denied it because of "pre-existing conditions" like this one.
We can't afford the current American system, but we CAN afford something much better. And we have it. - Gerz1219, on 10/21/2009, -1/+59But many countries have adopted healthcare systems similar to the one Obama is proposing, and they all have better, cheaper and wider care than we do. It's not like he's proposing some radical untested cure like handing out $900 billion worth of genetically modified leeches or something.
Fear-mongering only works as a counterfactual. We have the facts on highly regulated universal healthcare systems with a government-run component. They are better and not worse. - SilverBlade2k, on 10/21/2009, -5/+62You never hear about these kind of absurd immoral stories from CANADA, where we have universal health care coverage.
- Dauntless1, on 10/21/2009, -2/+56From their perspective they do. Their healthcare is free forever for them and their families, private insurers line their pockets with money made off of the deaths of hard working Americans that republicans vilify and wish were dead anyway for the crime of not being rich. See? There is no downside to the current system in the eyes of republicans.
- 4rp4n3t, on 10/21/2009, -7/+57Getting Dugg down because the truth hurts, perhaps...
- teamgwho, on 10/21/2009, -1/+48the public option provides 43M americans without insurance, coverage for their medical problems.
this means people going to the doctor and getting treatment before it becomes really bad or worse, causing death. americans in better health reduces absenteeism and improves productivity.
if you have insurance, you still have it.
the added cost of providing this insurance to the 43M will be offset (to some extent if not dully) because we already pay for their care now, it's called charity care, but it comes as a steep price. hospitals won't be passing off the costs of providing care to those w-o insurance at all onto the rest of us in higher price tags. also by reducing the complexity on the back end in the form of huge paperwork and phone calls.
fewer people will be declaring bankruptcy, and fewer people will have to choose between medical care or paying their credit card bill, rent or mortgage. Good news for the credit card companies, the landlords and the banks.
and finally... many of us already are in a beauracratic hellhole dealing with our insurance companies. Again, if you have insurance already, NOTHING CHANGES FOR YOU.
So quit your bitching. - uncleosbert, on 10/21/2009, -0/+46would it have made a difference if you read the story?
"Turner's story about HIV drugs is not unusual, said Cindy Holtzman, an insurance agent and expert in medical billing at Medical Refund Service, Inc. of Marietta, Ga. Insurers generally categorize HIV-positive people as having a pre-existing condition and deny them coverage. Holtzman said that health insurance companies also consistently decline coverage for anyone who has taken anti-HIV drugs, even if they test negative for the virus. "It's basically an automatic no," she said." - alpharaptor, on 10/21/2009, -1/+46Sweden.
- xerodustrial, on 10/21/2009, -5/+50This is really ***** sick.
That's really all I have to say. - dmcaudio, on 10/21/2009, -5/+49We're screwing people for profit. What could be more American than that?
- eekrano, on 10/21/2009, -3/+46/s
there, fixed it for you.
My sarcasm makes your sarcasm sarcastic, which (as a double negative) sets the previous comment back the way it was- which was what the poster intended- since there was NO NEED FOR A "/s" because it should be obvious.
Note: the original poster obviously didn't care for idiots... - Ubermann, on 10/21/2009, -4/+45That's what happens if you put the profit factor in healthcare.
- teamgwho, on 10/21/2009, -4/+44actually, its as american as it gets... health care is a bastion of capitalism... those w/money get the best care, priority treatment, those without either don't get care or if they're lucky get to go to one of the ever shrinking # of doctors who take charity care, medicare, etc. unfortunately your health is not considered a basic right... yet. it seems that more then 50% of americans support the public option, so perhaps we can wrench medicine out of the grip of capitalism...
oh and I hope this story gets legs and someone interviews the people in charge of the health insurance companies who have denied these women coverage, and ask them to justify their coverage and policies with a straight face. you really can't more abhorrent then this. - Drax0n, on 10/21/2009, -2/+41To bad Canada's system is way better than the current American system. Kinda makes your point moot.
- EarlOfLade, on 10/21/2009, -1/+39But Dancing with the stars is on TV.....
- RogerStrong, on 10/21/2009, -2/+38So "taxing everyone out the wazooo" for health care and then NOT giving it to them IS? Because that's what America has now.
Americans currently pay more TAXES for health care than countries with universal health care. That includes those Americans who are denied it anyway, because they can't afford to pay a SECOND time, for insurance, out of pocket. It includes those Americans who HAVE also paid the second time for many years, only to be denied it because of "pre-existing conditions" like this one.
http://www.economist.com/daily/news/displaystory.c ...
http://www.fourfreedomsblog.com/Blog.php?Act=ViewB ... - meachen, on 10/21/2009, -7/+43I love not being an American..
- Syric, on 10/21/2009, -11/+47Yes, it wasn't the rape that was a pre-existing condition (as though rape were a condition); it was the unusually large amount of AIDS medicine she was taking.
Still terrible on the part of the insurers, but it's quite what the headline makes it out to be. - mkriss5681, on 10/21/2009, -2/+38Kinda, ya.
- RogerStrong, on 10/21/2009, -0/+35I love that you don't know that people are referring to nationalities.
- Hetman, on 10/21/2009, -1/+36The longer the healthcare debate goes on the more information we get. I would assume no one is against learning the truth.
- Taiyoryu, on 10/21/2009, -2/+37To add insult to injury, she probably makes too much to qualify for Medicaid and she's too young for Medicare, and so unless her state has an insurance safety net, she's screwed for the next 3 years. And if she comes down with something in the next 3 years that would qualify as a preexisting condition, she's screwed again even if she can document she was HIV-free for those 3 years. Keep ***** that chicken insurance industry.
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