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- sonaro, on 10/11/2007, -0/+27TOS with highlight:
http://www.flickr.com/help/filters/#249
Discussion:
http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/35971/page6/#reply226035
More Discussion:
http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/42597/
Random hot girls (SFW):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fingerbear/26719598/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/guest_1649/446203420/ - rejoined, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14Anyone got the impression that it was the German Government which is restricting access to Flickr, from the headlines?
But it is infact Yahoo, who is doing this...
Way to go Yahoo, now you're just killing the wonderful site which was once 'Flickr'. - danielbachhuber, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14Seeing as I don't speak German, I will take your word for it...
- luthienrising, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10It *should* be a PR disaster not for Flickr, but for Yahoo.de (whose Terms of Service require this) and for whatever it is in German law that is requiring this. This is why I dugg (digged?) this this morning -- to move it outside Flickr.
- HalFTW, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heise.de%2Fnewsticker%2Fmeldung%2F91085&langpair=de
- PcChip, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9@Sonaro
Props for the hot girls. - maddendude, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Have you seen the porn that comes out of Germany...and they're censoring THIS? LOL.
- andburn1, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Glad you had the sense to throw in some worthwhile links in there. Keep it up.
- madeingermany, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6OK, spot the one that doesn't fit the list:
Singapore, Germany, Hong Kong, and Korea.
Very weird to me. I'm pretty sure German laws about displaying "lewd" images are pretty much the same as in the States. So why the censorship?
Quote from the discussion on the forums:
http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/35971/226594/
Nils K. Windisch (netomer) says:
solution for german users to avoid censorship:
- create a new u.s. based yahoo id. e.my.yahoo.com/config/my_init?.im=drawbridge&.intl=us...
- transfer you flickr account to that new yahoo id. www.flickr.com/account/transfer/
- switch of safesearch. www.flickr.com/search/advanced/
if you want to renew your account with your german credit card.
- reverse steps
- pay
- transfer your flickr account to your u.s. based yahoo id again
it worked for me (at least part 1) and i really don't know if i pay again, if my pro account expires. thanks flickr, what a great move! - annkari, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@luthienrising: There is no German law requiring this.
There are German laws restricting the access to pornographic imagery for minors, but those certainly don't include restricting the access of all German-speaking Europeans to photos which have been classified as "moderate" or "restricted" by Flickr users themselves. - nohn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5They even can't look at their own censored photos.
- thaumata, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4This is pretty crazy. I mean, if you are a german moderator now, you can't even see the images in your community. Additionally, you can't see your own images that are listed as moderate. That's crazy! The only thing that flickr is going to see from this is a lot of people who stop marking their sensitive material, thus resulting in a ton of "unsafe" images in public search, which they will have to moderate themselves.
Good work! - Frabi, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/91010
More than 50 percent out of not english spoken countries. I bet a big part of them out of Germany and I think that will change in the future. Flickr was a wonderful tool, but this is a shame.
It's always the same, after good ideas were made. After selling them to big companies like Yahoo, the stumble things into the ground.
I'm sorry I already paid for 2 new years last month, I wouldn*t do today again. - luthienrising, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3No, but there is German law prohibiting certain kinds of other content on the Internet, and Yahoo wouldn't be the first large internet concern to try to wiggle itself into a different shape to comply. They've done an awfully bad job of wiggling, IMO.
I mean ... the porn!! - Shaman760, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5This coming from the home of schize films.....
Hey, USA is even more prude!! We pretty much OWN the porn industry but can't say "*****" on the radio...... - smek2, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2It happen to me more and more often "this content is not available to users from your region" etc. Wtf? I use the internet for roughly 10 years now and i loved it precisely BECAUSE i was able to cross (virtually) borders. Actually it was because of the internet i made very good friends all over the world (and i am not talking about some forum profiles here). I am deeply worried about this development. More and more providers check your networks location and decide to censor what you can access on a website. That's, in my opinion, against the very idea of the internet.
- schildkroeter, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I could understand if they did that in China only.
But come on, Eminem showed his ass on German TV at 10:30 PM. Uncensored!
Why does flickr think it has to hide anything from their German viewers? - GawtMilk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2[NSFW] YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED [NSFW]
I'm living in Hong Kong, I can see this picture.
http://flickr.com/photos/sirococo/546691250/
So I'm not quite sure, at the moment, the truthiness of this claim. - frieddonuts, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2If you don't want to be blocked, just say you don't live in one of those countries when you make your account. Register from the Yahoo America site.
- andburn1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Yeah, translate is great, but the article makes just as little sense in translated English as it did in German. Less, if you speak German...
- kosmar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2they can do something! ask WHY?
help abandon corporate censorship.
dont you understand? this IS a free country. some of us live in freedom and democracy only since 1989.
we wont let it take away anytime soon. not from our own government and in no way from silicon valley laywers. - Revan01, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Lol, dugg up
german censorship = bad news = :-( - thepyro, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Smugmug is pretty nice, if only it were free.
- kosmar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2this is not only a pr disaster. this is restricing my personal freedom. and its not the government of germany who does that. it is yahoo and flickr. without announcement or any official statement. a meil would have been nice, just to inform that flickr evolved to free speach supression that the user even pays for. with a pro account or with looking at ads.
some people cant even see their own pictures!
WTF - annkari, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You know, I would have understood this if there'd been at least some sort of explanation from Flickr staff. Like "We need to make sure that minors can't access naughty pictures" or some such. We could have had a discussion about that, and maybe we would have found a solution for the majority of adult Flickr users who still want to view all those "moderate" and "restricted" images, whatever they might be.
But no, Flickr staff just decided to change their TOS without explaining it to their paying customers. We're still waiting for an official statement beyond: "We were all on a plane preparing for the great Flickr internationalization." - nerotunes, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1thinking about quitting my flickr account after just going "pro" a few weeks ago... unbelievable, Germany is not comparable with Singapore, Hong Kong or Korea!
- jesuspresley, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I feel petronized. What I always loved about Flickr is to see disturbing and (yes!) erotic photos without pornographic attitude. All gone for a while.
- Scy83, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Another article on the subject now on Golem:
http://www.golem.de/0706/52871.html - dotdean, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2English:
If your Yahoo! ID is based in Singapore, Germany, Hong Kong or Korea, you will only be able to view safe content based on your local Terms of Service, and therefore won’t be able to turn off SafeSearch.
In other words, german users can't access photos on flickr that are not flaged "safe" ... only flowers and landscapes for the germans ...
We won't let this happen! Copy and upload this picture to your account - show flickr who we are.
Espanol:
No sé cuando, pero muy recientemente a las cuentas de Alemania, Hong Kong, Corea y Singapur les han prohibido ver las fotos que están en el Safe Search, las mismas en las que a nosotros nos dan la opcíón de ver o no ver. A ellos simplemente se lo prohiben. Chale no?
Francais:
Si votre compte Yahoo! est basé à Singapour, à Hong Kong, en Corée ou en Allemagne, vous ne pourrez voir que les photos qui n'ont pas été marquées comme ayant un contenu qui peut choquer. Toutes les autres ne vous seront pas accessibles. Vous serez donc condamnés à ne voir que des paysages et des fleurs. Il ne faut pas laisser faire ça. Envoyez cette photo sur votre compte pour montrer à Flickr que nous savons nous mobiliser contre la censure !
Portugues:
Se a tua conta yahoo e de Singapura, Hong Kong, Koreia e Alemanha.. vc so podera ver fotos comportadas..rs, digo censuradas.. Todas as outras nao serao acessiveis , apenas flores abelhas e anjinhos.. bem-vindos a mais um absurdo Flickr..kkkkkkk
Junte-se a nos, proteste..porque o proximo pode ser vc, seu pais, sua conta, ou o diabo a quatro...
Italiano:
Se il tuo ID yahoo è localizzato a Singapore, in Germania oppure ad Hong Kong o in Korea potrai vedere solo foto dal contenuto che è in accordo con il locale accordo dei termini di servizio per cui gli utenti flickr di quelle nazioni non potranno cambiare da SafeSearch on in SafeSearch off.
In altri termini, ciò significa che gli utenti tedeschi e delle altre nazioni citate non potranno accedere a foto su flickr che non siano flaggate "safe"
e quindi solo fiori e paesaggi per i tedeschi.
Copia e carica nel tuo stream quest' immagine sul tuo account - mostra a flickr chi siamo! - Schildmiez, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3So all the PRO-Users are paying to be cencored and/or look at cencored photos ... A real good investigation.
- JohnnyRainbow, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1you mean "don't look" at censored photos, right? ;)
- GawtMilk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Well that one's blocked for me.
"You must be signed in to see this content." - alextolman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Flickr was available back in September 2006 but now remains blocked for the foreseeable future. YouTube seems to be blocked/unblocked on a weekly basis.
I've noticed that the site that hosts the images for Myspace is also blocked in the UAE, while the actual myspace site is not. So you can look at someone's Myspace page but not see the pictures; sucks. - AirPortPanic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Flickr's also blocked in Dubai, makes it hard to find reference images...
- CletusJones, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2whats awesome, is to translate it from german to english, to japanese, to french, to swahili, to farsi, back to english. then it reads...umm...well, retardedly.
- webmaster333, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Shame on Flickr!!!
- kosmar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1exactly
- timdorr, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Paying doesn't give you access to unsafe content. Paying gives you access to upload an unlimited number of photos and some extra site features. You get restricted this way whether you pay or not.
- gymnastguy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0It's just typical -- an awesome, successful, well-run company (Flickr) is bought by another huge company (Yahoo!) and hammered into submission to their rules and policies -- thereby taking away the very thing that made Flickr great in the first place -- it's 'uniqueness'. ***** Yahoo!
- luthienrising, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Der Spiegel, with some speculation on motivations (but Yahoo.de wouldn't talk to them): http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,488542,00.html -- entertaining Babelfish translation highly recommended.
Government internet censorship issues: http://www.flickr.com/photos/boxbox/548104545/ - luthienrising, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Here's an official explanation: http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/42597/page16/#reply230304
partial quote: "The decision to change the Flickr experience in Germany was never about censorship - it was made to try to ensure that Yahoo! Germany was in compliance with local legal restrictions. ... The central problem is that Germany has much more stringent age verification laws than its neighboring countries and specifies much harsher penalties, including jail time, for those with direct responsibility (in our case, it would be our colleagues in the German offices and we're not willing to make a call that has that kind of consequence for them)." - poplop, on 05/27/2008, -0/+0Why does flickr think it has to hide anything from their German viewers?
http://ru-t.com/about антимаулнетизм -
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