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- Napoleone, on 11/30/2007, -7/+235We're living in a most interesting era. We not only have to beware of an ever fascist government, but now we must contend with the naive, ignorant and ill-informed people who support these dangerous policies.
I suggest that everyone who recognizes these policies for the fascism they really are make contingency plans for when conversations like these are no longer possible without some risk of retribution. Learn now whom the persons are that you can trust. Learn now how to fool your way into fascist circles and how to best spy on them for the benefit of your brothers and sisters in freedom. Arm yourselves now. It is your right. Speak out now. It is your duty.
This is not a drill. Whatever this government turns out to be we will all have to live under it for several decades. Tyranny is not a myth and it does not discriminate. The freedom we've been so fortunate to live under is a historical anomaly made possible by the blood of millions of brave souls before us and extreme political turmoil. It may come to pass that we in turn must fight and die for the freedom of our future generations. That is not something to look forward to. It is not something to be taken lightly. But we must perform our duty, if need be.
The right to just insurrection is unalienable.
The right to just insurrection is unalienable.
The right to just insurrection is unalienable.
The right to just insurrection is unalienable.
The right to just insurrection is unalienable.
Do not be made to fear invoking your rights. Whomever they arrest, do not let that intimidate you into silence. The truth will keep us free so long as the brave are willing to give it a voice. Live Free or Die. - UnFriendlyFire, on 11/30/2007, -4/+212Fireman good ,fascism bad
- aman78, on 11/30/2007, -18/+202The fascist state if fast arriving. Wake the ***** up people.
- MaTT2011, on 11/30/2007, -2/+92O.K. , things are starting to get waaaaay out of hand here...
- justicefries, on 11/30/2007, -0/+83As a firefighter, I have already told my captain that I absolutely refused to participate in this.
A day after I told that to my captain, our chiefs made it damn clear what our jobs were, and that they did not include searching for possible terrorists. We're here to provide emergency medical and fire services, not play big brother. - cabal911, on 11/30/2007, -3/+74sigh... So I guess I better take down the noose with the GWB effigy in it and all the GO POSTAL signs in the house... Fun's being taken out of everything.
- osbjmg, on 11/30/2007, -6/+75You don't have to look hard. Here I am *****. I am NOT HAPPY. I want change. I do not approve. I think the government is WRONG. I would like to see it restructured. I want you all in dorms. You are public servants. You are not listening to us. You are problematic and we will not be ruled by you. REPORT THIS. You fail at your elected responsibilities. You are tyring to enslave us, this is totally not cool. FAIL.
It's not hard to find me, come on. - latrosicarius, on 11/30/2007, -7/+71I've always believed that all children should be taken away from parents at birth, serialized, and raised by the government. Parents only indoctrinate their children with terrorism, anti-patriotism, liberal ideals, and the absolutely un-American concept of "personal rights". The government knows what's best for children and will help them learn true values and loyalty.
- inactive, on 11/30/2007, -1/+60Who comes up with this junk? Really is someone sitting there thinking "hmmm how can we ignore the constitution even more?"
- PaulLewis, on 11/30/2007, -2/+59We need less government.
Wait, did I hear a knock on my door...? - diggerydood, on 11/30/2007, -3/+55Maybe we're under undeclared martial law and we just don't realize it yet.
- inactive, on 11/30/2007, -2/+44The video on that site is very telling. I hope plenty of police officers and firefighters are still practicing "selective enforcement". Sometimes the best way to fight unjust policies is for the enforcers to ignore them. Man, firefighters rule, why put them in this situation.
- Napoleone, on 11/30/2007, -3/+45FTOA: "When going to private residences, for example, they are told to be alert for a person who is hostile, uncooperative or expressing hate or discontent with the United States; unusual chemicals or other materials that seem out of place; ammunition, firearms or weapons boxes; surveillance equipment; still and video cameras; night-vision goggles; maps, photos, blueprints; police manuals, training manuals, flight manuals; and little or no furniture other than a bed or mattress."
"DISCONTENT WITH THE UNITED STATES"??? Over fifty percent of the American population fit that description. And guns and ammo are now suspicious items in and of themselves? Maps? Police/training/flight Manuals? Don't libraries carry those? Little to no furniture... With 37 million people living in poverty in the U.S. that's a hell of a dragnet right there. - sealjosh, on 11/30/2007, -1/+43This is why we have cops. I became a fireman to fight fire, not the constitution.
- jmpeagle, on 11/30/2007, -5/+46no one is going to do anything about it. The most people do is march down a street with some banners. Democracy won't help you given that Americans can't seem to get out of the rut of only voting for two parties despite the fact that there are multiple parties.
As long as the government has a monopoly of violence, the system will not and does not need to change. Until they start resorting to executing dissidents on a scale large enough to be noticeable then people still feel they have something to lose by being violent back against the government. However, if they take enough rights away from people and pin them in a corner they will inevitably revolt violently (assumming the population hasn't been disarmed). The world's most powerful army is having trouble quelling unrest in a country of 20 million or so, a well-armed population such as that of the U.S. of 300 million would be a ***** logistical nightmare for any conceivable army deployed by the federal government.
Unfortunately though people are willing to accept certain levels of totalitarianism (just look at all the socialist and theocratic states around the world) and people do feel it is OK to sacrifice liberty for the sake of security, whether political or economic security, despite the very dubious relationship, so as long as the federal government's policies are incremental and don't make people too afraid of their government, then don't expect anybody or any group to do anything about it. - dougcj37, on 11/30/2007, -0/+40I am also a firefighter, I can't speak for all firefighters but I can say almost all of us are here to help you. I personally refuse to be the governments little spy and won't report any "suspicious activity"...unless you have a nuke in your basement, I would probably report that one.
- Zarokima, on 11/30/2007, -4/+38Wow, it's basically Fahrenheit 541, just without the hound and more roundabout since it doesn't seem like they directly do anything more than inform. Build up your library and display it proudly.
- latrosicarius, on 11/30/2007, -1/+34Firemen are "told to be alert for a person who is hostile, uncooperative or expressing hate or discontent with the United States."
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So I guess not being content with this kind of ***** means I'm a terrorist?
Remember kids: always do what the government says. They know what's good for you. They know how to manage your life better than you. Always cooperate with whatever they say and never question the laws. - jkgm, on 11/30/2007, -10/+42No, you remembered it wrong: "Fireman good, fascism better!"
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 11/30/2007, -0/+31Know this...
If you study Rome at a University level, you know that their people were no different.
It is a huge mistake to think that groups of people are any less susceptible to deception today.
It's the same ***** thing. Read my lips. - yomamaisfat, on 11/30/2007, -2/+32Fahrenheit 541? Is that the sequel?
- tofucrew, on 11/30/2007, -4/+34I don't think this will change anything. Firemen are not going to start snooping through your underwear drawer while putting out your attic fire. I think you will see HUGE opposition to this from unions and fire department administrations across the country.
I've been a fireman for 12 years now. I work in a big city on a busy engine. On a couple of occasions, we have discovered meth labs while out on calls (a recent one was during an odor investigation- someone smelled something "chemical-ish", and called 911). Of course we're going to report it. But if we find your weed, we aren't telling anybody (twice now, I've quickly thrown something over someone's stash when the cops came in. Don't tell my boss, OK?).
If I ever found a stack of kiddie porn, or bomb making materials or a huge pile of heroin, I sure as heck would tell someone. But I will not be snooping through anyone's personal belongings, hoping to find something. I would prefer to keep what little public trust I still have.
From what I've heard through other sources, there may be a push to have inspectors (NOT firemen) keep an eye out for stuff during routine business inspections. Unless they are expecting these guys to look in spots they've never looked before, I don't really see how that will make their job any different than it is now.
And in response to a previous question: In most places, the fire department has the authority to enter your house when it is on fire, no matter what you say. - gingerbreadcat, on 11/30/2007, -1/+31"I will fear no evil."
"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."
Be smart. Be prepared. Be non-violent. Speak up whenever you can. Take action whenever you can. Show people that there IS another way for all of us to live together. Be a great example to everyone around you. Don't forget to keep a sense of humor. Whatever you do, do not be afraid. Fear cripples our ability to think rationally. Acting out of fear gives the violent an excuse to do what they do. You want to understand how a conservative thinks? They're afraid ALL the time, of enemies real and imagined, of their world changing, of things they don't understand. They need to be taught that the world isn't all that scary.
Whenever you worry, just ask yourself, "What would Mr. Rogers do?" :D - mrASSMAN, on 11/30/2007, -1/+30Government: "But the terrorists! They're coming after you and your family! They're going to murder you all and make you gay and the only thing preventing us from keeping you safe is this pesky constitution! "
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 11/30/2007, -1/+27Absolutely Fascism.
Maybe the story is exaggerating, take some notice anyway.
The goverment has already given itself the legal right to:
Wiretap -anyone- without reason or cause.
Arrest anyone without giving any reason or trial.
To hold prisoners in secret for any length of time without trial
To torture "enhanced interrogation" anyone in their custody.
To operate secret prisons, which do not operate under the rule of any law at all.
To employ mercenary soldiers that do not operate under the rule of law at all.
The are working on "make war on other countries without congressional approval". Which i suspect may involve acusing Iran of some fake attack or agression to claim military action is a response.
Keep in mind the points I mentioned now are not being used in the extreme. But as far as law and powers are concerned, they can be. All it takes is for someone to be a coward and argue why it's needed. - Napoleone, on 11/30/2007, -1/+26That's what BlackWater's for.
- Gir53457, on 11/30/2007, -2/+26Praise the Great Leader Bush.
- mrASSMAN, on 11/30/2007, -1/+25And that's what.. 80% of the nation? Apparently only 1 in 5 citizens are "real" Americans. The rest are potential terrorists.
- wolfboy2883, on 11/30/2007, -0/+24Ok, as a fireman I must make the following statement: THIS IS A CROCK OF *****! We don't do anything about people who are discontent with the government at my station. Illegal materials? Hell yeah - nip terrorism in the bud. But I cannot believe that this is really going on. Our job is to help people, not do the government's dirty work.
- Nickatnite101, on 11/30/2007, -1/+24he he, i just took the physical exam for the Baltimore City Fire Department. If i get the job, a few months from now I'll walk into some of my states leaders homes and have a little chat with them while i search through their computers.
- jeffsback2223, on 11/30/2007, -2/+25So what exactly can we do besides post angry messages on digg?
- MikeMacMan, on 11/30/2007, -0/+22What the ***** is happening to this country?
- p0ss, on 11/30/2007, -1/+22Round up your treasonous friends, or be courtmarshled. at the very least a dishonourable discharge, at the worst, shot. Now shepard them into that truck, The good shepard, tough love. And remember.
They are with us or they're against us, if they've done nothing wrong they have nothing to fear. - ReturnToFreedom, on 11/30/2007, -1/+22It has become obvious to me that there are a few people in control of this whole entire country. It has become painfully obvious that they want the country to fall in line and go along with whatever these people, whoever they are, want to use this country's treasure and military for, no matter how illegal or immoral their cause. I'm scared because we have allowed this government to have so much authority and we have such little protections against such abuses of that authority, from the President right down to the level of police officers, and now firemen, that I know if I get arrested on some bogus charge for speaking out so vocally and going to my Ron Paul meetings, that nobody will be able to help me.
- Groovemaster, on 11/30/2007, -1/+22Exactly. Nero played the violin while Rome burned, and Bush read about about a pet goat while America was under attack.
How history repeats itself... - buberfan, on 11/30/2007, -3/+23Most people won't wake up until they try to steal the next elections. With the neocons so unpopular they know they can't keep power by legitimate means so they will try to steal it (again) - only this time it will be so obvious that people will notice and object. BUT now they have the powers to crush the protestors. Senate bill 1959 gives them the right to label 'terrorist' anyone whose beliefs are deemed (by the government) to be anti-American. Thanks to the wire-tapping, email reading and (now) the fire-fighters, they will know who are the people most likely to object to the fascist take-over and can arrest them as suspect terrorists. They can then hold these people without trial in the concentration camps that are being built all over the country - and subject them to torture to find out who else might object to the neocon fascist state. I am so glad that I don't live in the USA!
- Look4Truth, on 11/30/2007, -2/+22Anyone else waking up yet?
- inactive, on 11/30/2007, -4/+24This. Is. Not. Good.
- inactive, on 11/30/2007, -1/+20Better exercise your 2nd amendment rights and purchase a firearem while you still can too.
- yournightmare, on 11/30/2007, -1/+20I can't believe some dork hasn't said "I, for one, welcome our new firefighting overlords."
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 11/30/2007, -0/+18Absolutely history repeats itself but my point was that groups of people think they are smarter and thus immune to problems that people had in the past. That their people are different. For the first time in the history of the human race.
And this happens all the time in our history and they always do nothing as they go down in flames.
The public today is no smarter then the public of any other era. And popular belief otherwise is age old, and repeatedly wrong, with disaster. - crapmatic, on 11/30/2007, -1/+17541, eh? I guess they're using flame-retardant materials in books these days.
- hellbent88, on 11/30/2007, -1/+17What can I do to stop this? My ***** god this is horrible
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 11/30/2007, -1/+17Next: Someone else tells you an obviously ***** story to make you think by extension that the story you originally heard was baseless and paranoid.
Because heck, if you used your brain maybe you might realize you were losing everything our elder generations fought an died to defend and protect.
I mean if you actually thought about it, maybe you'd realize that people in power might try something thought unthinkable expecting people would doubt they'd stoop so low. - ckhw2, on 11/30/2007, -4/+19Amen.
- inactive, on 11/30/2007, -2/+16ya time to exercise your other rights to owning a gun...
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 11/30/2007, -1/+15Next: Someone tells you another obviously ***** story to make you think by extension that the original story you heard is baseless and paranoid.
Because heck, if you used your brain you might realize you were losing everything that the elder generations fought and died to protect.
And of course, you might then see that people in power might try something crazy and unthinkable expecting people would doubt that they'd stoop so low, and thus get away with the crime. - ShdwNova, on 11/30/2007, -0/+14It was at Stanford in 1971. That experiment and Milgram's at Yale, done a decade earlier, are a classic view into what some people are willing to do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_exper ...
and here's the aforementioned video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KXy8CLqgk4 - crapmatic, on 11/30/2007, -3/+17A firefighter has their hands full when out on a call, so what is it that they're going to report that they wouldn't otherwise? I'm sure if they got to Joe Sixpack's place and found an S&M dungeon with 50 midgets tied up, they'd report it regardless of what the law says. This sounds to me more like a move to train fire inspectors and fire chiefs to snoop around, read documents, and so forth.
- Murphy52589, on 11/30/2007, -1/+15Instead of saying wake the ***** up, we need to ***** do something about it before it's too late!
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