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Fired officer: Woman's black eyes, broken teeth from 'fall'
rawstory.com — After Angela Garbarino was arrested in Shreveport, Louisiana last November on suspicion of drunk driving, she wound up lying on the police station floor in a pool of her own blood with two black eyes, a broken nose, two broken teeth, and other cuts and bruises. Garbarino says that Officer Wiley Willis beat her up after turning off the police video.
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- dreamtiger, on 02/20/2008, -1/+476They are allowed to turn off the camera?
- Exekutor, on 02/20/2008, -0/+115Then, what is the tape for?
- XNihil0Zer0, on 02/20/2008, -1/+79The tape is to show the highlights of what good officers they are, not for objective recording as some would claim.
- eak125, on 02/20/2008, -38/+7Those photos are obviously photoshopped. The shadows are at the wrong angles, the bruises are obviously airbrushed - the pixels are just wrong.
< / scarcasm >- Kontra8, on 02/20/2008, -5/+19If you have the need to clarify that you were being sarcastic then you sarcasm has failed.
- sv650touring, on 02/20/2008, -1/+2by your standards, at least 90% of sarcasm on digg fails
mention of pixels gave it away. He didn't need the /sarcasm tag any more than he needed an /unfunny tag
- sv650touring, on 02/20/2008, -1/+2by your standards, at least 90% of sarcasm on digg fails
- hobbitsareneat, on 02/20/2008, -7/+10sarcasm*
There is button right next to "submit comment" that says "check spelling". FYI.- mrsteveman1, on 02/20/2008, -4/+22No hes right, its scarcasm, didn't you see her face? :D
- eak125, on 02/24/2008, -0/+0The automatic spelling check in Firefox has failed me for the last time!
- Kontra8, on 02/20/2008, -5/+19If you have the need to clarify that you were being sarcastic then you sarcasm has failed.
- cdahlkvist, on 02/20/2008, -2/+65The video recording is not to protect the inmates or those being booked from the police but rather so the police can show when an inmate harms them.
The whole idea of jail is constitutionally questionable in the way we use it these days. If we are innocent until proven guilty then why do we people have to sit in jail until they are given a trial/hearing? I understand there is a need to protect society against potential criminals but bails are set so high to keep anyone but the rich in jail until a hearing.
It's nice to know the police have a right to protect themselves but no obligation to protect those they personally feel are guilty.
The camera recording equipment should not be accessible to anyone in the jail and the fact that the system was turned off should be used as outstanding evidence that the police beat her. No court should even question it since they wouldn't question it had it gone the other way.- dggeek, on 02/20/2008, -2/+7To be fair, money as an incentive not to run is pretty much all we got right now. Those that can pay bail usually have a lot more to lose, should they try to skip out. As it is right now, it works pretty much as intended. Yes, being in jail for awhile if you are innocent sucks. That is why the constitution recognizes our right to a speedy trial.
Now, whether or not trials are speedy enough is another argument...- Herostratus, on 02/20/2008, -1/+17I think we have a winner. The system routinely violates all 3 conditions of the 8th Amendment...
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. - AZSanMan, on 02/21/2008, -2/+1How about if people stop feeling that they have the right to act like complete assholes when they are busted dead to rights and then they jeopardize the safety of the men and women who help keep our society safe?
I am a Dem, very liberal in my views AND one of them is that we should each be accountable for our own actions.
- Herostratus, on 02/20/2008, -1/+17I think we have a winner. The system routinely violates all 3 conditions of the 8th Amendment...
- jgtg32a, on 02/20/2008, -2/+9Thats where the bail bonds come into play. You pay 10% and the bonds man pays the other 90%, if you don't show they send Dog to drag your ass to court.
- 5urr3al5am, on 02/20/2008, -8/+1UMM .. they sit in jail because most people would flee the country..
- kelt65, on 02/20/2008, -1/+10for a DUI?!?
- 5urr3al5am, on 02/20/2008, -1/+2that wasn't the question.. it was about jail time and why people are held in general.. try to focus...
- dggeek, on 02/20/2008, -2/+7To be fair, money as an incentive not to run is pretty much all we got right now. Those that can pay bail usually have a lot more to lose, should they try to skip out. As it is right now, it works pretty much as intended. Yes, being in jail for awhile if you are innocent sucks. That is why the constitution recognizes our right to a speedy trial.
- 5urr3al5am, on 02/20/2008, -13/+2My first question is... Why is she acting like a child and throwing herself around? Of course you're going to get hurt if you do that... I knew a person who got a black eye from getting hit in the back of the head with a ball.. that floor in the video looks a bit harder than a ball.
- jfm777, on 02/20/2008, -1/+9 If you get a black eye from a baseball hitting you in the back of the head, you have some SERIOUS injury to the brain! I say you are full of *****!
If this woman did it to herself, then WHY did the camera power down before she did it?? IDIOT!- 5urr3al5am, on 02/20/2008, -4/+1Maybe you could speak more into things that you know nothing about...?
Just typical anti-establishment blather from the crazies out on the web... hey.. have a unique perspective once in a while!
- 5urr3al5am, on 02/20/2008, -4/+1Maybe you could speak more into things that you know nothing about...?
- jfm777, on 02/20/2008, -1/+9 If you get a black eye from a baseball hitting you in the back of the head, you have some SERIOUS injury to the brain! I say you are full of *****!
- phenry50BMG, on 02/20/2008, -6/+84Allowed? They make the rules in their little game. We are their pawns and to be used as they see fit. I thought everyone already knew that.
- dreamtiger, on 02/20/2008, -3/+65Cops don't make the rules. Cops are working class people who can get away with this behavior only because they know powerful forces have their back, and the public has no effective oversight.
- rajkalex, on 02/20/2008, -8/+10If the Cops make the rules, why did they fire this guy? What are you going to say when they prosecute the hell of of him? Cops should be given some leeway due to the nature of their job but you can bet the house that this guy isn't getting away with anything.
- remccain, on 02/20/2008, -0/+18They fired him because he brought too much negative attention on the force. The fraternity will not allow one brother to jeopardize the entire force.
- stronglikedan, on 02/20/2008, -4/+18Cops do what they want, when they want, because they are assholes by nature. He got fired because he is one of the very, very few that got caught. I will be surprised if they prosecute him at all. And yes, *ALL* cops are assholes; it's part of the mentality necessary to join their club.
- VinceNoir, on 02/20/2008, -1/+10If you don't get caught, you don't get fired. That's the name of the game in the jungle of the grunts. The toe of the boot of the man indeed...
- headphonz, on 02/20/2008, -7/+2@stronglikedan,
No, not ALL cops are assholes. Unfortunately, people often join the force because they have a desire to be a positive force in their community and want to 'make a difference' but eventually become jaded and aren't fully prepared for the situations they face every day.
It isn't so much the individual cops that we should be upset with (we should), but with their superiors and the police unions which continually protect the offenders. Here in Seattle, cops are rarely ever even reprimanded when caught using 'excessive force'. Although it's difficult to comprehend, not every cop has a desire to bash your head in though there are less and less intelligent, compassionate people wanting to be cop these days which leads to more instances like this.
- triskele, on 02/20/2008, -1/+11[Just shy of] six figures in five years is hardly working class. I understand Suffolk County, NY [where I live] has some of the highest payed police in the world. The cops in my area are mostly power-tripping bullies fresh out of high school/community college. I've known a few stan-up guys that were cops, but most of the ones I've encountered were assholes.
- rajkalex, on 02/20/2008, -8/+10If the Cops make the rules, why did they fire this guy? What are you going to say when they prosecute the hell of of him? Cops should be given some leeway due to the nature of their job but you can bet the house that this guy isn't getting away with anything.
- 5urr3al5am, on 02/20/2008, -8/+1-- Man I'd hate to live in YOUR reality
- Machuse, on 02/20/2008, -1/+6Unfortunatly....u do
- 5urr3al5am, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1umm no... I'm an optimist ... I don't continuously look over my shoulder and fear that big brother is going to trample my rights... Continous fear-mongering leads to PARANOIA ... . If you don't feel that police should have authority, try moving to Europe or Canada ... or where ever the hell it is that police ride bicycles and carry no guns
- Machuse, on 02/20/2008, -1/+6Unfortunatly....u do
- dreamtiger, on 02/20/2008, -3/+65Cops don't make the rules. Cops are working class people who can get away with this behavior only because they know powerful forces have their back, and the public has no effective oversight.
- jesuswuzanalien, on 02/20/2008, -34/+22All her teeth, are belong to him.
- michaelwong38, on 02/20/2008, -7/+3why was this down modded? this is a good example of black humor and sarcastic wit.
- thugok, on 02/20/2008, -2/+8It's a better example of how to fail at humor.
- bashar129, on 02/20/2008, -0/+4All the fail, are belong to jesuswuzanlien?
- thugok, on 02/20/2008, -2/+8It's a better example of how to fail at humor.
- michaelwong38, on 02/20/2008, -7/+3why was this down modded? this is a good example of black humor and sarcastic wit.
- AriaStar, on 02/20/2008, -3/+63Cops aren't allowed to do a lot of the ***** they ultimately get away with, but that doesn't stop them, and suing them only results in the tax payers paying. There's no individual accountability. PAID time off (a.k.a. a paid vacation) sure as hell doesn't count.
- Randrayla, on 02/20/2008, -25/+8What kind of "*****"? Do you think the police just go around beating the ***** out of people or something? Sure what happened to this lady is wrong and the officer will be punished for it. Theres no individual accountability? You're obviously not involved with law enforcement or you would know that officers are quite frequently punished for the tiniest of things. Just because its not on digg doesn't mean it never happens. Did you know if I wreck my car on duty not only will I get a ticket, I will be suspended for a week without pay?
- tientruong, on 02/20/2008, -8/+13Is that why you go around beating up women and shooting at minorities?
- brufleth, on 02/20/2008, -6/+32Is that why police officers will tailgate you and/or fly by you going in excess of 20mph over the speed limit but will then pull you over for going the speed limit because they "estimated" that you were speeding?
Certainly all police officers are not beating up women. They definitely do feel there is some sort of double standard between what they can do and what everyone else can do. I see cops perform moving violations ALL THE TIME that I or friends have been ticketed for. I've also witnessed cops performing illegal searches of a vehicle. I have never mistreated or even been disrespectful of a police officer. I respect them for taking up a job where you do have to take a lot of crap and potentially put your life in danger. That said, I have never deserved to be mistreated by a police officer but that hasn't stopped them.
Oh and if I trash my office (worth less than your police car by a factor of ~50) I don't just get suspended, I get fired.- snea, on 02/20/2008, -5/+12I'm sure if an officer intentionally destroyed their car for absolutely no reason at all they would get fired also.
- jershie, on 02/20/2008, -2/+12@Brufleth: Good point! I can't tell you how many times I've seen a police car zipping down the freeway in excess of 85 MPH without his "Take Down" light on. This signals that he is not in an active pursuit but is probably just trying to be first in line for a maple bar @ the local Dunkin Donuts.
- brufleth, on 02/21/2008, -1/+1@jershie
That reminds me of something else. The plaza where my gym is has a pizza place and a donut place. There is almost ALWAYS a police car parked on the sidewalk (which is completely unnecessary) because a cop is getting breakfast, lunch or dinner. Parking illegally isn't a big thing but when it is for convenience during their break it shows a clear disregard for general rules of conduct.
Police officers should be leading by example when ever possible. Not using their badges to get special treatment and ignore the law.
- RealmDown, on 02/20/2008, -1/+9The problem is that there is no recourse without penalty of retribution, and a horrible double standard. I know there are good officers out there, but the bending of the system so as to persecute offenders while officers get suspended for a similar offense is leading to a downfall of society.
- joebaloney, on 02/20/2008, -2/+25I anything, police officers should be MORE beholden to the law, not LESS.
- jershie, on 02/20/2008, -2/+9AGREED! Right on . . .
- colihondro, on 02/20/2008, -1/+2THIS IS THE ULTIMATE TRUTH:
THEY SHOULD LEAD BY EXAMPLE!!!
THANKS FOR POSTING THIS!!!
and I got a ticket for doing a u-turn after I saw an officer do it the day prior.
I didn't see the sign, but the road was a dead end (how can you NOT u-turn on a dead end?) except for an entrance to a business. I told the officer who stopped me about the cop who did it the day before. He said I should've gotten the cops vehicle number (a little black number on the window) and called it in.
(Of course, that would've required me running a red light and then speeding to catch a speeding cop car...) sigh. I fought the ticket and eventually the cop missed a court appearance, but this story is one of many, and it is the least "abusive" one I have.
- AriaStar, on 02/20/2008, -1/+7My mother's boyfriend was a commissioner of a little town known as New Orleans for 17 years before retiring. My dad's dad was a commissioner in the central valley in California for over 20. Both have told me about ***** they've seen officers outside their jurisdiction get away with. Their experience trumps yours. My uncle was a member of the CHP for several years and was only fired after his third cocaine charge, and that was only because he was caught doing it in front of his daughter. He spent six months in jail for it that time. Before that, with his first two, he was ordered into rehab while still working. Yay, coke-head CHP officer!! Explain that.
If you speed at 120 in a 55MPH zone, you won't get ticketed. If I go 65, I'm getting one. Sounds like you only get in trouble, maybe, if you crash. Wreck your car on duty, see if they follow through with that.
In the real world, for real people, those tiny things cost us our jobs. For the most part, as enforcers of the law, cops are above the law. I'd LOVE to see a cop ticket a fellow on-duty cop for speeding, turning on sirens to go through a red light and then turning them off again because he didn't want to wait at the red to get to the donut shop (I saw that happen last week), etc.. Won't happen. So shut up about cops being accountable. That's the exception.- Inquisition, on 02/20/2008, -6/+1On duty cops are allowed to exceed the speed-limit if they are en-route to a disturbance, or whatever their destination as long as they do it safely. No, they don't have to turn on their sirens when they do this.
And to all of you that say ALL cops are knuckle-dragging psychos, it really is unfair to make generalizations because of this psycho-cop, or some other bad experience with a bad cop. My brother-in-law is a sheriff's deputy, and really is a nice guy.
- Inquisition, on 02/20/2008, -6/+1On duty cops are allowed to exceed the speed-limit if they are en-route to a disturbance, or whatever their destination as long as they do it safely. No, they don't have to turn on their sirens when they do this.
- Randrayla, on 02/20/2008, -25/+8What kind of "*****"? Do you think the police just go around beating the ***** out of people or something? Sure what happened to this lady is wrong and the officer will be punished for it. Theres no individual accountability? You're obviously not involved with law enforcement or you would know that officers are quite frequently punished for the tiniest of things. Just because its not on digg doesn't mean it never happens. Did you know if I wreck my car on duty not only will I get a ticket, I will be suspended for a week without pay?
- sovietninja, on 02/20/2008, -2/+84What I think is the true injustice is that since they don't know what happened while the tape was off, therefore they cant prosecute the officer. So how did the man who killed his daughter while playing GRAW 2 get prosecuted for murder. There was no tape either. I hate how these jerk-offs make up rules just to protect the honor of the badge.
Again, the reason why they won't prosecute is because there was no tape to show he did it. Under this reasoning most crimes cannot be prosecuted since there was no tape. I don't understand this reasoning.
Also the whole she fell and got messed up excuse is used by those who cops arrest for domestic abuse charges. Yet when someone tries that in court its tossed out the window for how ridiculous it sounds. I've seen kids get flung off their bikes and eat ***** on the pavement and they don't look as ***** up as that lady.
She fell, my ass.
I know there are good cops out there but when you let your department make excuses like this, that badge that you wear shows you have no honor. You should take it off and do the what is in the best interest of the public which you swore to protect and serve.- troye, on 02/21/2008, -0/+1How many times did she fall? Did this cop really expect us to believe that crap? Maybe if he was smarter he could've came up with a better explanation. Give that woman lots and lots of money, and put that bastard cop away.
- jaxcs, on 02/20/2008, -1/+15Sadly they are. All these confrontations with police end with hyper legality. It is never about proper behavior, it is about what you can get away with. According to Diane Sawyer, when the woman declined to take a breathalyser, the rules of the department do not require that video be taken. But this is a cop alone in a room with a woman. Why was the tape turned on in the first place since she didn't seem agreeable at the start. And why was the tape turned back on? If she was combative, aren't they supposed to bring in another female officer? There's a whole lot of oddity here that doesn't quite add up like why she isn't pursuing a civil suit since this looks like a winner to me. You can see the Diane Sawyer coverage of this on youtube.com
- gooovil, on 02/20/2008, -2/+19Turning off camera only suggests that he/they did it before and is/are fully aware of it and not stupid enough to leave it to evidence.
- simmux, on 02/20/2008, -5/+9I was planning to visit your beautiful country but I'm beginnig to fear for what might happen...I mean: I speak enough english to understand and be understood but am I human enough to be treated as such? I'm studying your parameters so to be able to do an educated guess.
- RealmDown, on 02/20/2008, -1/+13Odds are you will have a great time and enjoy yourself immensely.
As with anywhere, you roll the dice and take your chances. Saying that "this will happen to you" and "all cops are bad" is the same sort of assumption as "all of iraq is sand" and "Australia is crawling with gaters and roos". I'm not saying it can't happen, but guard your fears against stereotypical sensationalism. - sfasu77, on 02/20/2008, -1/+4You'll be fine, unless you are black...then you'll get a little crack sprinkled on you after you get tasered to death.
- halleyscomet, on 02/20/2008, -2/+3It depends on how Aryan you look. If you look "a bit foreign" be prepared for a beat down and some trumped up drug charges.
- jftitan, on 02/20/2008, -0/+2Don't goto Dubai. You can goto jail for 4 years just for having a microscopic spec of marijuana under your shoe. And you call us bad. (I know we are bad) Thats America for ya.
- Nodnarbs, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1If you say "i'm studying your parameters so to be able to do an educated guess" a cop would probably punch you in the face, just fyi. But yeah lets not start stereotyping, these are exceptions to the norm. But the cops deserve all the grief they get and more, they are completely unable to regulate themselves. Oh the cops aren't going to arrest their buddy oh what do you know...
- RealmDown, on 02/20/2008, -1/+13Odds are you will have a great time and enjoy yourself immensely.
- flashingcurser, on 02/20/2008, -0/+17Tapes are there to help them prove their case, not yours. They are not there for your protection.
- jabberwolf, on 02/20/2008, -3/+5Usually tapes are their for EVERYONE's PROTECTION !
They are supposed to be in a locked container that the police officer cannot get to.- halleyscomet, on 02/20/2008, -0/+9Isn't that whole "naive trust in authority" phase of childhood cute? You see these kids with their idealized notions of reality and you can't help but smile, thinking how grand it would be if such a rosy, childish vision of "right" and "wrong" reflected society as a whole. Of course, it'll be depressing when the scales fall from jabberwolf's eyes and the grim realities of human nature set in.
- jabberwolf, on 02/20/2008, -3/+5Usually tapes are their for EVERYONE's PROTECTION !
- frazw, on 02/20/2008, -1/+22"Willis is appealing his dismissal, and his attorney insists that his client was following procedures in turning off the camera."
The procedure that states if you are going to lay into a prisoner, turn off the camera first. - OnipSemaj, on 02/20/2008, -0/+30They are allowed to turn it off when they want to BEAT THE ***** ***** OUT OF SOMEONE.
- honorableSimon, on 02/20/2008, -0/+7What an inconvenient time to fall!
/sigh - sk11, on 02/20/2008, -3/+6What's special about this, ***** like this happens in Saudi Arabia all the time? Wait, it happened where?
- warnergt, on 02/20/2008, -1/+9In Saudi Arabia, he and his four brothers would have raped her and then chopped her head off.
- halleyscomet, on 02/20/2008, -0/+3Don't be silly. Her Father would have chopped her head off in an "Honor Killing."
- KMartSheriff, on 02/20/2008, -2/+1Shut up.
- sk11, on 02/20/2008, -1/+1These are not spoken words you cretin.
- warnergt, on 02/20/2008, -1/+9In Saudi Arabia, he and his four brothers would have raped her and then chopped her head off.
- mikesbaker, on 02/20/2008, -0/+6more video of the woman in question - her side of the story (sorry about the commercial)
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=431 ... - Calcularius, on 02/20/2008, -2/+6We need more vigilante justice in this country.
I wouldn't bat an eyelash if that cop turned up dead.- halleyscomet, on 02/20/2008, -1/+4In other words, you want to form a lynch mob. How about we NOT open up the flood gates of anarchy and instead set up decent civilian oversight committees so the handful of bad apples are held accountable.
- Ridgedog, on 02/20/2008, -8/+1my best friend was hit by a driver under the influence and was killed. i don't care if that police officer did this. that woman deserved whatever she got - and then some.
- NotOptium, on 02/20/2008, -0/+3SUSPICION of drunk driving. She was innocent until PROVEN guilty.
- hazillow, on 02/23/2008, -0/+0she wasn't drunk. oh well. she probably deserved it anyway, right?
- Exekutor, on 02/20/2008, -0/+115Then, what is the tape for?
- MacWriter, on 02/20/2008, -1/+329What a damned liar this officer is. Having been in a few fights and sparring matches in my youth, I can guarantee you that it takes hard, solid punches to produce injuries like that. No floor in existence is going to give you two black eyes, even if you dive head first into it.
- ZacT, on 02/20/2008, -2/+134As a boxer myself, I’ve had broken noses and taken hits, but never have I looked like that after a fight. One can only imagine what happened in that room, and it’s not something one would want to imagine.
- LongShlong, on 02/20/2008, -1/+29*shudder*
- d3lta, on 02/20/2008, -6/+73As a kick-boxing, muppet-punching ninja, I have taken a few chops, but never have I received those kinds of injuries. There's no way she just fell on the floor and got those black eyes.
- benplaut, on 02/20/2008, -4/+58Every day our father would beat us half to death, let us die, and dance on our graves, only to resurrect us so he could do it again the next day. But I never saw damage like that!
- Rhino2, on 02/20/2008, -3/+57I was once condemned to hell for six million years by the lord himself - and as a sufferer in the ninth level of hell, the deepest darkest fury that Satan himself could dish out; I've never seen damage like this!
- h3lx, on 02/20/2008, -2/+20I slipped on discarded pickle at McDonalds and fell into the soda Mcthingamabob. I looked worse than that and the Corporate lawyers insisted my injuries were inconsistent with a fall of that nature and my case was thrown out.
- 1town, on 02/20/2008, -2/+38I once went on a date with naomi campbell. and I've never see damage like this.
- JavertHolmes, on 02/20/2008, -2/+16[Bad joke removed]
- ligyron, on 02/20/2008, -11/+5I'm the Big Bang. I never saw damage like that!
- jershie, on 02/20/2008, -13/+2@Ligyron: God you killed what was a great strand of clever people. Why don't you do us all a favor and commit hari-kiri?
- ballsonyourface, on 02/20/2008, -7/+0I once got beat up by Officer Wiley Willis and I have never seen damage like this.
- Barbosa, on 02/20/2008, -2/+5Oh my God you people are sick! Thanks for making me laugh so hard I almost pissed myself.
- KMartSheriff, on 02/20/2008, -2/+9I once lathered up in lamb's blood and tethered slabs of meat to myself and jumped into a nest of Lions, and I never seen damage like this.
- benplaut, on 02/21/2008, -3/+2In case anyone missed it, that was a reference to the Four Yorkshiremen, a monty python skit (find it on youtube)
- RealmDown, on 02/20/2008, -3/+14dugg for muppet-punching ninja.
- benplaut, on 02/20/2008, -4/+58Every day our father would beat us half to death, let us die, and dance on our graves, only to resurrect us so he could do it again the next day. But I never saw damage like that!
- akamurph, on 02/21/2008, -0/+1Do you get black eyes that fast? I mean, doesn't it take awhile after the 'incident' for the eyes to turn black?
I broke my nose and it took a few days for my eyes to turn that black- troye, on 02/21/2008, -0/+2The black eyes is from damage done to small blood vessels that are in the skin and underlying muscle. The blood seeps out and as it degrades it turns to a dark crimson color, and when it is most degraded the blood (RBCs = reb blood cells) turns an even darker red color to the point where the human eye perceives it as black.
Black eyes are just another type of intact skin bruising, but when bruising such as black eyes in around the eyes or behind the ears you can tell that something impacted the head. Such as a fight or getting hit with something.
- troye, on 02/21/2008, -0/+2The black eyes is from damage done to small blood vessels that are in the skin and underlying muscle. The blood seeps out and as it degrades it turns to a dark crimson color, and when it is most degraded the blood (RBCs = reb blood cells) turns an even darker red color to the point where the human eye perceives it as black.
- diggmeyoubitch, on 02/20/2008, -7/+19Did these sparring matches, by chance, take place in the early 1930s?
- AriaStar, on 02/20/2008, -1/+47Add to this the fact that there is no ***** way to not only get bruises around the eyes, but to break teeth in the same fall without ramming your nasal cartilage into your brain.
- smurfsahoy, on 02/20/2008, -1/+24What if it was a face shaped floor, but with a big hole where the nose goes? Yeah, that's it!
- RealmDown, on 02/20/2008, -0/+30You may have a future in law enforcement.
- RealmDown, on 02/20/2008, -0/+30You may have a future in law enforcement.
- frappe987, on 02/20/2008, -0/+9How long was the camera off for? This is stupid crazy, I hope she gets money from a law suite to replace everything that they broke or broke off and I mean replacing everything with the good stuff!
- cawpin, on 02/20/2008, -13/+5Bull-*****-***** there isn't. My older brother did both of those things when he was a child. He broke his front tooth off and got black eyes from falling. It is quite possible.
- alex7575, on 02/20/2008, -1/+13Is that what your brother tell you? That he fell? And you believed him....
- halleyscomet, on 02/20/2008, -0/+3Oh my word. You honestly believed him? It never occurred to you that your mother's bruised knuckles were connected to the incident? I can't blame your brother. I'd imagine being beaten to a pulp by your own mother would be emasculating and humiliating.
- HaoTian, on 02/20/2008, -1/+12Cartilage in the brain from the nose. Oh yeah. What, are we in some old ninja movie now? That's an urban myth and does NOT happen.
I've worked in nightclubs for many years and have seen more than one drunk take a header, face first on the ground. The most memorable looked WORSE than her... both black eyes, broken nose (but no cartilage in the brain :P), cracked skull, missing teeth, etc. Not a pretty picture, but not caused by anything other than a fall.- alex7575, on 02/20/2008, -2/+6See, eyes have sockets, they are INSET in your skull, explain to me how a flat surface (floor) can make you end up with both eyes bruised? Without a completely flattened nose?
- B3000, on 02/20/2008, -0/+10@Alex7575 Black eyes are caused by blood under the surface of the skin. Blood is fluid. It can spread. The blood that causes a black eye doesn't necessarily come from directly beneath where it shows up. A solid smash to the nose can break blood vessels which the leak blood, which then pool around those sockets you are talking about. That said, he probably did kick the crap out of her. Cops are like that.
- alex7575, on 02/20/2008, -0/+2I understand that now thanks, but yeah, either way he did it
- halleyscomet, on 02/20/2008, -0/+3"Cartilage in the brain from the nose. "
While technically possible, it requires a sharp, powerful blow from the right angle. You also need something more pointed than the ball of your hand, or all you'll do is crush the cartilage into the nasal cavity. Of course, driving the meat of the nose into the sinuses takes a lot of effort on its own.
You have to do a LOT of damage for a blow to the nose to be useful in a fight. Yeah, it bleeds a lot but that's about it. The Adam's Apple, soft of the throat or Solar Plexus are all easier targets that can actually slow and attacker down enough for you to extricate yourself.
- smurfsahoy, on 02/20/2008, -1/+24What if it was a face shaped floor, but with a big hole where the nose goes? Yeah, that's it!
- PatNolan, on 02/20/2008, -0/+71they never said she only fell once. She fell 14 times, amazingly managing to fall the last 6 times while out cold.
- americangoy, on 02/22/2008, -1/+1Excuse me?!?!?!
- Tenlow, on 02/20/2008, -1/+25I've been punched in the eye hard enough to make me decide to stop fighting and run away like a little girl, and it didn't even leave a black eye, just a little swelling for a few days. That takes a hard punch connecting well to get that much damage.
- chabs39, on 02/20/2008, -2/+8I'm curious as to how he did that much damage without getting any blood on his hands though. If you look at the video you can see that his hands are pretty clean. It's possible he could have wiped them off but you would think there still would have been some kind of residue on there or something. Plus there isn't any blood spatters like if he had been hitting her and she was bleeding, just a big pool of it. I'm no expert though and I still think he probably did it.
- halleyscomet, on 02/20/2008, -0/+6He could have hit her with a weapon and then just bashed her head against the table.
- americangoy, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1Or just washed his hands...
- halleyscomet, on 02/20/2008, -0/+6He could have hit her with a weapon and then just bashed her head against the table.
- dannyapplesauce, on 02/20/2008, -24/+4You're full of crap. I know for a fact that a good shot to the nose can produce TWO black eyes. Now, I'm not saying that the cop isn't lying, but it is possible that she fell to the floor and hit her teeth and nose hard enough. It is possible, just not probable given the circumstances. On another note, not to justify this cop's actions at all, but how many of you would have the composure to handle a situation like this day in and day out? I know it's his job, but the woman could have been slightly more cooperative. http://www.emedicinehealth.com/black_eye/page2_em. ...
- alex7575, on 02/20/2008, -2/+10So in a nutshell you're saying that she "deserved" the beating? Wow...
- scooterMX, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1Either that or Alex is saying that because poor mister policeman has a tough job he should take it out on whomever he wants, whenever he wants. I guess there are no openings in The Abusing Women Emporium...
- daebat, on 02/20/2008, -13/+2Yes, MacWriter, you can get two black eyes and chipped teeth from being a drunken idiot and falling on your face consequently breaking your nose (which also causes eyes to blacken) and if you hit just right, you'll break your teeth as well. I think this chick was so drunk she doesn't remember, so she claims he beat her up. I think that before everybody plays the jump to conclusions game without knowing all of the facts, you should stfu.
- HaoTian, on 02/20/2008, -7/+2PRECISELY. I've seen this sort of injury from falls all the time. Anyone who claims otherwise has never seen someone take a header on a sidewalk.
- codered1322, on 02/20/2008, -1/+18What about a floor made out of fists?
- IKORKYI, on 02/20/2008, -9/+3um, yeah youre just wrong. if you have ever seen someone have an eppileptic seizure starting in a standing position - you can crack your skull in half.
- bjerkeweb, on 02/20/2008, -2/+3and it said that she is epileptic where?
- IKORKYI, on 03/07/2008, -0/+1 No floor in existence is going to give you two black eyes, even if you dive head first into it.
- bjerkeweb, on 02/20/2008, -2/+3and it said that she is epileptic where?
- bethehammer, on 02/20/2008, -0/+10This could have been a fall - just a fall assisted from an ***** cop slamming her face into the ground really really hard. I remember watching some reality show where this stunt woman fell from the back of a semi-truck and accidentally landed on her face instead of rolling - she looked just like this woman - but the stunt woman fell from the back of a moving truck...
- sngx1275, on 02/20/2008, -0/+8I'm sure the cop beat her, or at least assisted her in ramming her face into the ground.
I can attest though that you tend to bruse much more easily if you are hammered. - yaryarhumphump, on 02/20/2008, -0/+2As a child I fell into a flight of steps once bashed the bridge of my nose on the edge of a stair and ended up looking like that (parents loved my school pic that year...lol) so it is possible to take a shot to the face and end up looking like that.... But given the state of things these days and if the women was as out of control as they say I have no doubt the cop whooped some ass.... and Im glad to see one finally get out right fired for this *****.
- ZacT, on 02/20/2008, -2/+134As a boxer myself, I’ve had broken noses and taken hits, but never have I looked like that after a fight. One can only imagine what happened in that room, and it’s not something one would want to imagine.
- reflectionsv37, on 02/20/2008, -19/+234That scumbag cop deserves to spend the rest of his natural life in prison! Welcome to the Police State of America!!
- d3lta, on 02/20/2008, -3/+64The funny thing is, if you ever visit a cop forum, they all seem to think its fine and that they are the victims. They're like bitching nannies whining about how difficult the kids are to handle. I got a great idea, stop handling them. Jerks.
- fatlip, on 02/20/2008, -1/+18there are cop forums?
- bitcloud, on 02/20/2008, -2/+21klanonline.org
- Bhima, on 02/20/2008, -1/+15Yep, and they are very ***** scary
- dOOBiEx213, on 02/20/2008, -1/+18www.pigsonparade.org/
- tcsucks, on 02/20/2008, -0/+5I'd really like to know what the site is for one of these cop forums.
- d3lta, on 02/20/2008, -1/+2@ tcsucks: There was actually an article on Digg not too long ago that linked to a forum; http://digg.com/world_news/Police_Forum_Comments_A ...
but it looks like that thread is invalid and 1400 odd diggs were a mistake. - d3lta, on 02/20/2008, -0/+4Also from the same article: http://forums.officer.com/showthread.php?t=77041 and the original (now invalid) thread:http://a.imagehost.org/0037/Cop_who_uses_taser_on_ ...
Thanks to fwonk and bashnu
- dakine42, on 02/20/2008, -8/+1Weird isn't it? The hierarchy of things people hate, I guess DWI cough suspects cough rank just under cops, followed by bush and scientologists. (Side note lol at my firefox extension telling me scientologist isn't a word.)
And another thing quit breaking the law then cops wont have to handle you.
- fatlip, on 02/20/2008, -1/+18there are cop forums?
- lukas88, on 02/20/2008, -15/+27Most cops are not like the ones you hear about on the internet. How often do people talk about the cop that pulled them over yet was polite and fair handed? How much more interesting is it to most people to hear about the few cops who beat people up and abuse their position?
I am not a cop and I don't even really know anybody who is. All I know is that I have been treated fairly by 90% of the police I have encountered. They have a hard job and they don't deserve the reputation.- PatNolan, on 02/20/2008, -7/+8Thanks for pointing that out.
- smotpoker, on 02/20/2008, -5/+22Funny, in 90% of my police encounters i've been searched repeatedly. Arrested for some reason or another in about 40-60% of them. 99% I acted completely respectfully the entire time while the cop acted dismissive and intent on questioning every detail of every answer I provided and trying to find a crack in my story. I have had them lie on me in court multiple times, including the first 2-3 arrests as an adult.
Those percentages are approximations that include 'normal' traffic violations. Odd how everytime, except once when being manhandled in front of family, I was completely cooperative and there were never any victims - just concerned cops trying to uphold the peace.
Do you usually wear a suit and tie? drive a nice car or something? I think they avoid ***** people who might be able to take legal action- lnf69, on 02/20/2008, -13/+9Ok,
either you very ***** luck with cops or you are full of ***** about acting "completely respectfully" around them,
or you're actually a criminal and the cops know it,
or you're just plain stupid.....
I don't know but it sounds like you're having much more then average problems with the law.- bitcloud, on 02/20/2008, -4/+11Ah I've been thrown to the ground and assaulted by police for asking them to look into a racist encounter...
You live in your mothers basement so aren't really in a position to make the call... - lnf69, on 02/20/2008, -6/+15Nope.
I've been pulled over a bunch of times, speeding, traffic, etc. As a kid (in NYC) I was hassled by cops, I was a typical 70's 80's pot smoking, anti-establishment.
I've never been arrested, came close 2 times, but the cops always gave me a break.
If this guy is hassled 90% of the time he deals with cops, I think he needs to look at himself for the source of the problem. - smotpoker, on 02/20/2008, -4/+8Actually, I think it was partly due to bad luck and partly due to combination of factors that made them suspicious enough to make them think i was being dishonest or hiding something (some combination of time of day, general appearance, demeanor, weed odor, proximity to past crimes). I don't deny that suspicion may have been justified on some of those occasions but not the arrests, physical/verbal abuse, criminal record and lies I received/experienced as a result of that suspicion...or the jobs/money it's cost in different ways
- smotpoker, on 02/20/2008, -3/+7@lnf69 - I never had any problems either in bigger cities, they were all with small town cops. Cops in the city typically have real crime to deal with is my thinking, though I think stress from that often leads to bad/misguided actions in some of those situations as well.
I can't deny I may have acted nervous some of those times or that I have been given a couple of breaks regarding seeds/stems in my car but I was still hassled due to general appearance primarily in nearly every case and it is hard to not get nervous when you had cops lying on you multiple times and spent months in jail your first adult arrest. Confusing a few details when asked or seeming 'too cooperative' isn't justification for saying you saw them elsewhere or doing something they didn't or assuming they were prowling etc - lnf69, on 02/20/2008, -2/+6smotpoker, I hear you and didn't mean disrespect.
You're probably correct about the difference of small town and city cops.
Although, I spent my summers growing up out of the city in a small town that just had constables and a sheriff. That wasn't too bad,, BUT this is before the ***** "war on drugs".
I think a lot of the problems that cops face today are also the impossible situations they are put into due to laws and policies that are proved failures, such as prohibition (rec drugs).
But, in general, unless, like you, some one is just unlucky, your experience is more the exception then the rule. As this story might be. - heystoopid, on 02/20/2008, -1/+4Forgotten much about Rodney King and the year was 1991 in the city of angels in a state called California !
- smotpoker, on 02/20/2008, -4/+6lnf69: I feel you and know you weren't trying to be too critical. I understand it seems unbelievable to most people because it is outside of their experience. What I don't understand is some people (not you) who i've met who have had cops lie on them in court but don't see how that could cause a chain reaction of problems.
All it takes is 1 or 2 things on your record and/or nervous behavior and they are often convinced you are guilty of what they suspect and lying is ok because even if they are wrong, you probably did something else worth the punishment anyway.
I could also mention race as a factor, but I honestly don't know for sure how much of an influence it was most of those times. Also I was more or less homeless couple of the times, which may have made their actions seem more justified to them.
I have examined my own actions and tried to change them since but, short of living in the city which i have never had a job to afford it that long, there is little I can do other than picking friends based on where they live and only visiting them during normal waking hrs and even then there is some risk. Most of my encounters I wasn't attempting or intending anything criminal whatsoever and, not knowing any other the real way to prevent police encounters with any certainty, withdrew from public more and more the last few years. I have tried compromising my attitude and behavior and appearance to what society would consider acceptible over the years but it seems to never be enough to appear/act/do as im asked by society in public, I have to do it in private as well and believe it is the right thing...which is hard for me to do. This has been going on for over a decade. No victims... no damages... just a ***** load of fines, 2 lost cars, some lost dignity and a bigass chunk of my life/freedom gone
I mentioned some possible reasons why 'most' people don't have bad experience with cops and/or find it hard to believe they are as bad as they are in another comment here. You may find them interesting... At any rate, I've also seen cops lie and threaten to lie on me in front of each other etc so don't think conspiracies are completely out of the question too. Most of these guys are ex-jocks i think and probably lie/cover for each other all of the time... at least that was the impression I got. Naturally I thought they were trying to scare me into cooperation (they thought I was lying about where my luggage was at)...until the judge read the police report to me on my court date
- bitcloud, on 02/20/2008, -4/+11Ah I've been thrown to the ground and assaulted by police for asking them to look into a racist encounter...
- sabach, on 02/20/2008, -4/+9"in about 40-60% of them" "the first 2-3 arrests as an adult" If you can't remember the exact numbers, there's your problem. Maybe if you can get off of probation...
- smotpoker, on 02/20/2008, -6/+7Exactly how many times have you been pulled over? If you notice the comment, I was including traffic violations as well and this spans about a 10 year time frame. Plus it is hard to recall specifically what sequence the encounters occurred in, though the cops lying occurred on at least 3 seperate times in 3 seperate cities. Twice I had no criminal record or previous experience with any of the cops from the town. Once I had no experience with the cops in town but a year old shoplifting on my record. One of those times I cussed the cop out when he slammed me on the hood of his cruiser in front of my family. EVERY OTHER TIME I NEVER DISRESPECTED ANY OF THEM IN ANY WAY. I only even ever tried to talk my way out of it like twice... there is no point... they do not care. they only understand fear and pain and money
i still don't know if my first weed conviction was planted by cops or my passenger.. other than that i have one criminal offense in the last 8-9 years, but i have been in jail around 5-6 times during that time frame. mostly because i couldn't afford fines or tickets... so they decide to make it harder and take my freedom and only means of income... you know nothing of the havoc they wreak or the pain you sow ... - jershie, on 02/20/2008, -3/+5God you sound just like a convict. The police lied. The weed in my car was planted or left by a passenger. Do you understand now why nobody believes you (including the cops)? You sound like every convict on every police drama, real-life prison documentary, etc on TV today. And yes I'm sure you are innocent of all the crimes you committed . . . just like the millions of other "residents" in our fine prison institutions.
- smotpoker, on 02/21/2008, -0/+1@jershie - that is the exact attitude that allows so much corruption and violence to persist. Perhaps so many people are saying it because *gasp* IT'S TRUE a lot of the time.
Again, if you review what i've said, I didn't say there was no reason for suspicion, I said there was no reason for lying, disrespect and incarceration. I don't know why exactly this ***** happens except for vigilantism or quotas perhaps.
I'm sorry if my honesty hurts my argument to some people but I still don't see how you can claim I am lying when I've openly admitted the most relevant facts. You just dismiss everything I say because I have been in legal trouble before or I am not a model citizen? I guess if that is true, the police are functioning just as you would like (...except those first two times...but i guess late night and baggy clothes is enough too, as long as the police did it, it has to be justified) - sabach, on 02/22/2008, -1/+1@smotpoker Son, I'm 52, I really can't remember exactly how many times I've been pulled over in 36 years. I've done 3 or 4 days in the county jail 3 times and have a felony drug record. And never once got slammed. Despite all of that I cleaned up my act, raised 3 daughters and I'm now the IT Director for small municipality. You need to take an honest look at yourself. @jershie I was a correction officer for 8 years and worked Death Row for 2 years of that, I can't tell you how many variations on this sob story I've heard.
- smotpoker, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1sabach: don't let your age or occupation jade you to the truth. I don't know why you weren't slammed because I wasn't in your situation. In mine, I was handcuffed in the back of the cruiser, he came to ask me about 'dope' in a friends car because he found seeds... a car that was parked and he never saw me in. I told him several times I didn't know what he was talking about, at which point he yanked me out of the car, slammed me on the hood and patted me down, again, in front of my grandmother, my 5 yr old cousin and my 4 yr old sister. I looked over and saw them, had a flush of rage and cussed him out.
In court, not only did he lie by saying I refused to cooperate the entire time but he lied and made my grandmother cry by accusing her of lying to protect me when she tried to corroborate my story. This was my 2nd arrest, nothing on my record, no prior contact at all with any law in that town.
It didn't hurt me physically but it killed any shred of faith I had in the system or police and to be fair, I had already been searched multiple times and throwing anyone around like that would be considered assault if a cop isn't doing it.
The only other time I received physical abuse (which WAS painful) the officer thought I was lying about the location of my belongings (I was homeless at the time). They couldn't find my bag where I said it was because it was dark, so one twisted my wrist while i was handcuffed threatening to break it "You know I can get away with it, this is a legal restraint. All I have to do is say you were resisting". Luckily he was bluffing about that, but he wasn't bluffing about the lies he said he would tell to make sure I was put away.
Those are the two physical abuses that happened to me, but the *worst* was my first adult arrest where I had to sit and rot for 60 days in jail without trial so police could try to find evidence that I was a burgler. I was in the vicinity shortly after it happened but nowhere near my friends whom I had abandoned as soon as they began their petty venture.
Now just PRETEND for the sake of argument that you believe what happened to me, or pretend it happened to you. How could you have faith in a system that allowed this to happen? Where "innocent until proven guilty" became "whether he's guilty or not, he'll probably still learn something" and everything seems the same wherever you go? No money for any sort of lawyer, even public defense costs in most states unless you are facing a felony or something, and only fellow inmates for your legal questions.
Regardless, it is pointless trying to argue with someone who cannot listen to reason. By admitting even the possibility of what really goes on, you have to admit that YOU have directly contributed worse crimes than 90% of anyone you ever guarded and helped others to do the same. Police and corrections officers have to do that, as do soldiers, which is why they are both brutal inhumane professions. The enemy must be objectified so that you don't hesitate to do your 'duty', but in objectifying them you lose your humanity and reason and become blind to the truths that might make you question your actions and moral obligations. I truly wish there was some way to convince you this is a problem but if tape after tape after tape doesn't do it... I guess when it happens to you or someone you love you'll understand, just pray that it isn't too late
- smotpoker, on 02/20/2008, -6/+7Exactly how many times have you been pulled over? If you notice the comment, I was including traffic violations as well and this spans about a 10 year time frame. Plus it is hard to recall specifically what sequence the encounters occurred in, though the cops lying occurred on at least 3 seperate times in 3 seperate cities. Twice I had no criminal record or previous experience with any of the cops from the town. Once I had no experience with the cops in town but a year old shoplifting on my record. One of those times I cussed the cop out when he slammed me on the hood of his cruiser in front of my family. EVERY OTHER TIME I NEVER DISRESPECTED ANY OF THEM IN ANY WAY. I only even ever tried to talk my way out of it like twice... there is no point... they do not care. they only understand fear and pain and money
- cawpin, on 02/20/2008, -6/+9"weed odor"
That is why you get searched. The odor of marijuana is probable cause to search an individual and vehicle. Don't blame cops for your own stupidity.- smotpoker, on 02/20/2008, -5/+4Nice job latching on and attaching to that one aspect, but I happen to know it wasn't a factor in most of the cases I am referring to.
Smelling like weed isn't illegal OR stupid and I admitted they had *some* justification for searching and being suspicious based on that, but that is only for maybe one or two incidents. To be frank, I am trying to collectively describe about 20-25 separate incidents, most of which involved police acting unprofessional and/or ILLEGALLY when there was no victim and sometimes no crime committed at all and resulted in JAIL.
What I protest is using is their using their 'better judgement' based on faulty logic/stereotypes as justification for abuse and lies.
For some reason you (and many others) seem to think it is perfectly ok for cops to screw other people's lives because they look/act/sound a manner you consider suspicious. You see one or two small things that you associated with someone bad and think it's fine and dandy to persecute them based on it. Even my friends 'well, thats what you get for being a dumbass and driving through that part of town'. 'walking around at 2am? i'd arrest your ass too!' - needless to say i don't really have friends...
IMO, Is it ok for them to search you for almost anything. Hell, it is even ok to put you under arrest if it is a serious offense and/or there are witnesses and/or credible evidence in my book (at least temporarily) but there was NONE of that in ANY of my cases.
Punishment based on strictly on stereotyping/suspicion is punishment based on personal choice and equivalent to fascism
- smotpoker, on 02/20/2008, -5/+4Nice job latching on and attaching to that one aspect, but I happen to know it wasn't a factor in most of the cases I am referring to.
- lnf69, on 02/20/2008, -13/+9Ok,
- makkaveli19, on 02/20/2008, -2/+8even though i agree, i have to say that we shouldn't be hearing about cops who do their JOB. do they put me on the news everytime i make a sale?
*Breaking news, officer tootsie pulled over a drunk driver today* - kindrobot, on 02/20/2008, -3/+27I have been treated VERY professionally and even kindly by cops. But I have also been treated badly, very badly. I've never been beaten, but I've had guns pulled on me just walking, trying to get home from a party that got out of hand. (I was not intoxicated or acting that way) My crime? Looking like a little punk.
My point? Well, I've said it a thousand times, and even I'm getting sick of it. But why is it people come out of the woodwork every time there's a story about a bad cop and feel it's necessary (hell it almost seems like they think it's their duty) to make sure we all know that NOT ALL COPS ARE LIKE THAT?
Of course they aren't! Why do people come out and say that when it's a cop? Because it's a thankless job? Because people abuse the system and wrongfully accuse cops all the time? No, I think it runs deeper than that. I think it's a defense mechanism. You have such a deep fear of society collapsing and your personal safety zone becoming unsafe that you become part of the problem by inadvertently excusing this behavior. You NEED to believe it's rare, even if it isn't. Because if it's not rare, you're not safe walking out the door every day. I'm not picking on you for it, I GET it. But let's not forget what really does happen, when it happens, by intellectually negating it with rose-colored daydreams about perfect police that never abuse their power. This stuff really does happen.
Look, you even got a "thanks for pointing that out", almost automatically. As if it's something none of us could possibly realize unless you mentioned it. Any idiot knows that there are good cops. If there were not, everyone would stay home and if they went out they would walk down the streets with their heads looking at the ground for fear of standing out and accidentally making eye contact with a cop. None of us would feel safe.
The sad side effect is that the cops that ARE bad look at comments like yours as a free pass and moral enabling.- Randrayla, on 02/20/2008, -3/+5Perhaps because whenever anything like this happens you get comments like: "this ***** has got to stop." and "all cops need to be murdered." "cops just become cops because they are power hungry assholes" etc etc.
Things like this ARE rare. No force is used in at least 90% of police encounters. Its easy for an officer to go five years with only 1 or 2 fights. People come on here acting as if the police just go from call to call beating the ***** out of people like its nothing and that kind of attitude is just silly.- smotpoker, on 02/22/2008, -1/+1Just because an officer's record doesn't reflect a lot of violence and ***** doesn't mean it hasn't happened. I've never had resources to appeal, or even defend, any of my bad encounters, let alone file a suit and in most states it seems you only have around a year to do so anyway.
In jail I see the same thing as on digg, kinda funny eh? Half of the people claim they are innocent and/or victims of corruption and the other half laugh and say 'uh-huh, yeah right'.
The reason, I suspect, so many go unreported is this skepticism and labeling anyone who protests and this assumption that america is so great that no evil could persist very long except in the criminal underground. Add to this conservative belief (and, big surprise, most police are rather conservative in my experience) that everyone who is poor is only poor because they are lazy and that everyone who ever committed a crime is uncredible... it's not hard to imagine a 'not letting this punk kid get away with this' mindset manifesting with a lot of them, especially if they wind up dealing with same criminals multiple times. The problem with this occurs when they start getting frustrated and taking more extreme measures to teach people lessons/prevent repeat offenses with less and less evidence and few or no past offenses.
"Somewhat justified" or "Id do the same thing.." isn't a viable justification for them. These people have authority over us all and, given that, they have a higher responsibility to follow regulations on duty.
If a doctor dismissed regulations/training based on suspicion or stress, people would throw fits, sue, etc without hesitation but with police... "Eh... it was probably a scumbag anyway" --forgetting in this country we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty
- smotpoker, on 02/22/2008, -1/+1Just because an officer's record doesn't reflect a lot of violence and ***** doesn't mean it hasn't happened. I've never had resources to appeal, or even defend, any of my bad encounters, let alone file a suit and in most states it seems you only have around a year to do so anyway.
- Livebold, on 02/20/2008, -3/+7you know why we come out of the woodwork? BECAUSE THIS KIND OF STUFF SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN AND I MEAN NEVER. Whatever happened to serving and protecting. And that cop deserves a punishment that fits the crime. I'm thinking handcuffs and mike tyson.
- kindrobot, on 02/20/2008, -0/+5I think you missed my point... completely.
- lukas88, on 02/20/2008, -3/+1You raise some good points, but I was responding to the part of his statement that said "Welcome to the Police State of America."
First of all, you can't blame police for making judgments based on how a person looks. It is all they have to go on in some situations. I am sure it saves their lives and others in many situations. It always surprises me how many people go out of the way to look badass (like a gangster or a punk) and then they get their feelings hurt over people treating them that way.
Second of all, I am less concerned about the bad cops who see my statements as a "Free pass" and more concerned about the good cops who get a reputation they don't deserve. If you apply your logic to other situations, it is like saying we shouldn't admit that some doctors do the best they can but still lose patients because it gives irresponsible doctors a free pass at being bad at their jobs. Why should we let the bad cops limit what we can see about the good ones or cops in general?- smotpoker, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2Doctors, military and cops actually are the two professions that deserve the most scrutiny. They directly impact lives in a very dramatic way on a day-to-day basis. Our lives are literally in their hands.
It's one thing defend an accident or mistake, but many police who are corrupt don't just one day decide they want to start beating suspects. They see and hear the actions and words of other police which leads them to think it is excusable, at least in some cases I believe. Even the police who aren't running around beating people are often corrupt, if only because they help cover it up out of some misguided sense of loyalty.
Why should we be so critical over these professions? Because they are relied on by EVERYONE to make things better and deal with problems we are unable to. In the case with police, they deal with citizens daily and have have little direct oversight. These individuals are supposed to be able to rise above petty behaviors and fully understand the harm they can cause. When they start labeling everyone you encounter good or bad based on something cosmetic and then proceed from that point to do anything they can to arrest them, they are making it harder for witnesses and the suspect to respect them or the government they represent. When THEY are breaking the law, acting petty and getting violent all of the time, it's understandable that many suspects would completely disregard the law (or at least the same laws the police disregard) and then attribute subsequent charges as racism or some form of oppression (which it actually is a lot of the time, whether police are conscious of it or not)
- smotpoker, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2Doctors, military and cops actually are the two professions that deserve the most scrutiny. They directly impact lives in a very dramatic way on a day-to-day basis. Our lives are literally in their hands.
- americangoy, on 02/22/2008, -1/+1Spot on comment!
- Randrayla, on 02/20/2008, -3/+5Perhaps because whenever anything like this happens you get comments like: "this ***** has got to stop." and "all cops need to be murdered." "cops just become cops because they are power hungry assholes" etc etc.
- datastorageguy, on 02/20/2008, -10/+9What the hell are you talking about with the "police state of America" gibberish. This is one cop, and a rare instance of complete barbarism by police. He was fired for what he did and will probably face charges. Enough with your sensationalist *****.
- tcsucks, on 02/20/2008, -2/+6These types of videos seem to come out every few days. I remember when it was once every few months! Maybe unlawful police abuse is getting worse, maybe there are just more video cameras around? Who knows? What I know is that police do these types of things because they think they can get away with it. When you have MULTIPLE police officers in multiple jurisdictions doing the same unlawful thing, then you have the beginning of the makings of a police state. We may not be a police state yet, but we are, surely, on our way.
- TBerrigan, on 02/20/2008, -1/+1nm
- Defuser, on 02/20/2008, -3/+0First of all, they're not coming out "every few days". You're just fixating on them because you (and people like you) actually WANT to constantly be "outraged". Second of all, this is a country of over 300 million people. Yeah, bad things happen on a regular basis. Where are assholes like you when it's some gun-toting CIVILIAN murdering school kids? Where the ***** is your moral outrage then? But one redneck cops beats up one redneck drunk driver, and you jackasses are out in force, screaming "AMERIKA IS TEH NAZIS!"
- tcsucks, on 02/20/2008, -2/+6These types of videos seem to come out every few days. I remember when it was once every few months! Maybe unlawful police abuse is getting worse, maybe there are just more video cameras around? Who knows? What I know is that police do these types of things because they think they can get away with it. When you have MULTIPLE police officers in multiple jurisdictions doing the same unlawful thing, then you have the beginning of the makings of a police state. We may not be a police state yet, but we are, surely, on our way.
- mcm020, on 02/20/2008, -14/+3I live in Shreveport and if you knew how many ***** drunk ass rednecks kill people you would be all for them getting the ***** beat out of them. Low life piece of ***** woman. Digg me down.
- jershie, on 02/20/2008, -1/+4Ok, will do . . .
- choda, on 02/21/2008, -2/+1I dugg you up dude. I can't be a cop for this reason. I would use my gun on the 1st drunk driver I pulled over. Right in the head, and drive off. ***** them.
- gguill7, on 02/20/2008, -6/+2She probably insulted les miles. In that case she deserved it.
- mcm020, on 02/26/2008, -0/+1No one gets it. But I feel ya.
- Defuser, on 02/20/2008, -3/+1The Digg Cycle of Douchebaggery:
1: Make wild, pinheaded over-generalization.
2: Set back and wait for your fellow douchebags to Digg you Up.
What you and your fellow dumbasses fail to realize is this: What this particular cop did was AGAINST the laws of America. Which is why he was fired, and is facing criminal charges. But hey, don't let the criminal actions of one single individual stop you from screaming ignorant ***** like "Welcome to the Police State of America!!!11eleventy" I swear, it's like some of you morons will use any excuse to hurl abuse at your country. Seriously, ***** you. - Reap, on 02/20/2008, -2/+2I'm having a hard time deciding which one to feel sympathy for... On one hand, yes, abuse of power, horrible thing....
But on the other, the bitch drunk and drove. Do you want to know the person she could have hit and killed?- smotpoker, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1If you weren't paying attention, he didn't beat her down for driving drunk, he beat her down for resisting/non-compliance. Police officers have a duty to uphold the law in an objective and professional manner, especially when they're on the clock, not lose and wail on whoever gives them a hard time or pisses them off.
If me, you or most other people were to beat anyone down, especially a woman, that badly we'd at the very least be arrested and (scorned by society if she was female) no matter what she did and it would be completely justified. It is their job to find/protect/detain people, not judge and prosecute them and then lie on the report
- smotpoker, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1If you weren't paying attention, he didn't beat her down for driving drunk, he beat her down for resisting/non-compliance. Police officers have a duty to uphold the law in an objective and professional manner, especially when they're on the clock, not lose and wail on whoever gives them a hard time or pisses them off.
- d3lta, on 02/20/2008, -3/+64The funny thing is, if you ever visit a cop forum, they all seem to think its fine and that they are the victims. They're like bitching nannies whining about how difficult the kids are to handle. I got a great idea, stop handling them. Jerks.
- ZacT, on 02/20/2008, -4/+234This is abuse of power. There is no question about what happened. This man should be in jail for his actions.
This is an alarming trend with police officers. While they do have a difficult job to perform, there seems to be more and more officers losing their temper and committing crimes themselves. How many stories like this have been in the news and on Digg this year alone?
How many more will follow?- d3lta, on 02/20/2008, -1/+3Aren't psychometric tests part of the screening and evaluation process? Something is very wrong with the system if these tests are only taken once during their entire careers, or if the tests aren't good enough.
- PatNolan, on 02/20/2008, -0/+12Is it really a growing trend or is it simply being reported more and spread faster because of the internet?
- Protoss, on 02/20/2008, -0/+6This is my theory for why this generation seems to be so much more violent. "Little" incidents (not saying this was at all unimportant, just that it was small) like this are just more widely supported now that the Internet is used.
- smotpoker, on 02/20/2008, -1/+5I think it is (or could be) a combination of both.
#1 - non-racial, same-sex violence seems to pretty much be the most acceptable form of illegal activity these days - both in law and being taught by tv/parents/etc. Everything else will or could ruin your life or is just 'unacceptible on any level' (I find it funny how pro-war people can tell me stealing is NEVER justifiable)
#2 - Even stupid people aren't *that* stupid, this applies to rogue cops as well. They tend to know the legal system a bit and are careful not to risk their livlihoods when there are credible witnesses nearby, including the suspect to some degree depending on circumstances.
#3 - Justice system requires money and gives incentives to those without if they 'cooperate', which discourges reporting abuses of authority. The costs also make it especially hard and risky for the poor to risk fighting a case there is any chance of winning
#4 - In many justice systems you don't even get a chance to talk to a public defender before court except under certain circumstances, which makes even knowing whether it *is* a good idea to fight hard.
#6 - New technologies and regulations over the last couple of decades are making more of these worse abuses be discovered in recent years, but still doesn't touch the amount of true corruption in the system, IMO (If you ever have multiple cops lie on you multiple times in different cities to keep you locked up for months, you may begin to understand where I'm coming from).
Anyway, I don't think there is really an increase in the amount corruption really in retrospect of this comment. actually there is probably a decline due to new oversight etc...the only real increase is probably in evidence and awareness of it (though that is far from saying the problem is solved)- Herostratos, on 02/20/2008, -0/+3#5 being?
- alex7575, on 02/20/2008, -2/+2Profit?
- jershie, on 02/20/2008, -0/+2#5 - My 7th or 9th arrest was completely unjustified as I was just reporting that I got ripped off in a crack deal to the local police department.
- Herostratos, on 02/20/2008, -0/+3#5 being?
- terajoule, on 02/20/2008, -2/+0"Is it really a growing trend or is it simply being reported more and spread faster because of the internet?"
You answered your own question with your question.- alex7575, on 02/20/2008, -1/+4Look up "rhetorical question".
- makkaveli19, on 02/20/2008, -11/+3Yea wtf. *****, if i had a job where i could beat the ***** out of a woman and just get fired. i'd be the happiest man alive. but what would make it contradictory is that this is the same job that is suposed to protect people and serve them.
- bitcloud, on 02/20/2008, -1/+9You're messed up
- makkaveli19, on 02/20/2008, -7/+1if you read my other comments you can see that i was just trying to make a point.
dugg you up because after looking at the comment again i could see how the sarcasm might have been a little off.- alex7575, on 02/20/2008, -0/+6If I had a job that ALLOWED me to beat up a woman with NO consequences i would QUIT that job, and ironically report them to authorities.
Even if you had the sarcasm tag, you probably would have been dugg down still.
- alex7575, on 02/20/2008, -0/+6If I had a job that ALLOWED me to beat up a woman with NO consequences i would QUIT that job, and ironically report them to authorities.
- makkaveli19, on 02/20/2008, -7/+1if you read my other comments you can see that i was just trying to make a point.
- bitcloud, on 02/20/2008, -1/+9You're messed up
- pjpark, on 02/20/2008, -0/+3Look, Louisiana has long had a reputation for corruption. In the 90's they were seizing property left and right from motorists passing throught the state under the pretext of drug enforcement. Dateline even got Louisiana police on tape pulling people over andy lying about why. Just don't go there. Ever.
- TonyLocNE, on 02/21/2008, -0/+1"***** that ***** cause I ain't the one for a punk ***** with a badge and a gun to be beaten on and thrown in jail we can go toe to toe in the middle of a cell"
- TecHeavy, on 02/20/2008, -6/+164I hope that everyone can see exactly what is happening in our society. Cops are becoming more and more brutal towards the people they are supposed to protect. Citizens are being electrocuted (tazed) and beaten on a daily. You have to ask yourself the question, are we being conditioned to act and behave a certain way? Now I know that you can't be an ***** while being approached or questioned by a police officer, but it has gotten to the point where even if we know that police officers are over stepping their boundaries they think its acceptable. One other thing can anyone tell me if police cruisers still have the quote "To Protect and To Serve"? In my town that quote is no longer on the vehicle.
- TecHeavy, on 02/20/2008, -1/+27No seriously that was funny...just wanted to post a couple of links of police officers abusing American citizens. This is what I'm talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGvgy8lbPO0 Cop arrests firefighter because he refused to move the fire truck that was blocking traffic to protect his workers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtgzBLA9C-k
Oh take a look at this *****....reasonable my ass http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBeB81PPlng&feature ...- Aitese, on 02/20/2008, -8/+3I agree with you 100% on EVERYTHING except the kids with the skateboards...
Just read what's going on in the UK in terms of social disorder, feral kids running around stabbing and shooting each other and mostly missing and killing innocent bystanders and I WISH the cops in the UK had the balls to put the scare into them like this.
When I was a kid we were scared ***** by the police, but that was the 80's...chances are being a young black man walking down the street at night was probably going to get you a beating by the Thames anyway. We fought for all kinds of reform and human rights laws just so this generation of kids can swagger around like their ***** smells like roses.- pe5t1lence, on 02/20/2008, -0/+5What? Really? Lawless bands of feral kids roam UK? That is awsome!
Wait a second... shooting each other? What happened to your uberprideful gun laws? I guess those don't count if you are a feral kid who gets his rocks off shooting and stabbing other people, things, and objects.
Seriously did you just watch a Clockwork Orange and think it was a documentary?
...Ok end rant... most of that is just me joking anyway about the hyperbole you were using, don't digg me down!
- pe5t1lence, on 02/20/2008, -0/+5What? Really? Lawless bands of feral kids roam UK? That is awsome!
- Aitese, on 02/20/2008, -8/+3I agree with you 100% on EVERYTHING except the kids with the skateboards...
- skd283, on 02/20/2008, -3/+7Not that I in any way condone the officer's actions, but if you look back on the 70s, 80s, and 90s, you'll notice that cops are actually becoming LESS brutal compared to times past. The speed of information nowadays just seems to highlight certain cases more.
- mike17032, on 02/20/2008, -9/+2Keep your facts away from the diggtards fearmongering. The economy is the worst one EVER, and cops are raping and pillaging in the streets! Its the end of days ya know (if we dont elect old paul that is).
Once they get out of high school they will wise up.
- mike17032, on 02/20/2008, -9/+2Keep your facts away from the diggtards fearmongering. The economy is the worst one EVER, and cops are raping and pillaging in the streets! Its the end of days ya know (if we dont elect old paul that is).
- RealHyperX, on 02/20/2008, -1/+11I dont think they are more brutal. I think they are just getting caught more.
- drvcr, on 02/20/2008, -4/+3I don't think their motto is "To protect and serve" but "To punish and enslave"
- jftitan, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1HA!!! That was my very only reason why I liked Barricade so much. His motto resembled what our Police Force would like its citizens to be to them. Plus i bought one of those XMOD cars just because of the sticker "To Punish and Enslave"
- unearth, on 02/20/2008, -0/+3"Now I know that you can't be an ***** while being approached or questioned by a police officer..."
Why not? It's not against the law to be an *****. A person shouldn't have to bow their head down in a position of pure reverence for an authority figure, and any police officer that arrests or beats that person for disrespect is corrupt and petty. Perceived violence? Sure, then you have problems. But disrespect can very easily be nonviolent, and it's depressing that even that can cause you problems with the law. - valoss, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1We live in a copy-cat society fueled by media saturation. I think when people are saturated with these tragic acts (police brutality, school shootings, etc.) some sick people can justify their behavior as it is not "uncommon."
- TecHeavy, on 02/20/2008, -1/+27No seriously that was funny...just wanted to post a couple of links of police officers abusing American citizens. This is what I'm talking about.
- 2bsbc, on 02/20/2008, -2/+108Sick, power tripping scum bag. I don't care how lippy the woman was, nor that she tried to "run". She's in handcuffs in a 15'X15' booking room, which is attached to the god damn police station; how far can she possibly get before another cop restrains her correctly? You have the audacity to beat a woman like that, you deserve an ass pounding and jail sentence of epic proportion. If there is any justice, this coward will be looking at some time where "suspect control" will take on an entirely new meaning.
- suzywang3000, on 02/20/2008, -1/+4castrate him... no cop will ever do anything like that again.
- Elissar, on 02/20/2008, -0/+188That cop needs to go to jail, that's battery and police brutality.
- cnot3, on 02/20/2008, -2/+8Hope he drops the soap sometime before the other inmates find out he was a cop and shank him.
- mcosmi, on 02/20/2008, -2/+4keep on dreaming, there is no way this *****-face will get what he deserves. The only thing that will happen is that she will sue, and make money off the taxpayers. There will never be criminal charges filed. The most we can hope for is that this deusche bag STAYS fired and is never allowed in a position of authority again....beyond that...don't hold your breath.
- jershie, on 02/20/2008, -1/+3If there were any justice, it would happen just as you mention. Unfortunately, cops are always put in protective custody, and hence never receive the retribution they should receive for their crimes. Apparently pigs *continue* to protect their own . . . even after they've raped & beaten innocent civilians.
- cnot3, on 02/20/2008, -2/+8Hope he drops the soap sometime before the other inmates find out he was a cop and shank him.
- wborgstro, on 02/20/2008, -10/+129Time to dust off the muskets yet?
- phenry50BMG, on 02/20/2008, -1/+40If yours isn't dusted, cleaned and sighted in.....you've got some catching up to do.
- TonyLocNE, on 02/21/2008, -0/+2amen brother
- SquigglyP, on 02/20/2008, -1/+11no *****, if you'd like I brought some spares. You can never have too many.
- mike17032, on 02/20/2008, -8/+3You have to be 18 in most states to carry a gun, so no not for you.
- perfectlyfrank, on 02/20/2008, -2/+1That's one of the uses of Digg and news sites anyway. Bad publicity trumps muskets. Well, for the most part.
- phenry50BMG, on 02/20/2008, -1/+40If yours isn't dusted, cleaned and sighted in.....you've got some catching up to do.
- ChristPissed, on 02/20/2008, -12/+58wow, just like in Iraq or Iran
- PatNolan, on 02/20/2008, -8/+5Nope she wasn't raped by saddam first.
- a6n28f, on 02/20/2008, -2/+10Or a KBR contractor.
- makkaveli19, on 02/20/2008, -0/+5hdll atleast the people in iran know this and are more careful around the police. americans still think everything is fine, and that the woman should have "respected his authority"
man i wanna see someone blame her for it. - saahmed, on 02/20/2008, -2/+3When an incident like this happens over there it is blown out of proportion and people say all Muslims are like this. Not to say it is maybe not more commonplace over there, but ***** happens here as well, but of course the media isnt going to make a huge controversy over it.
- Hobbes24, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1no, she'd be dead/rapped
- PatNolan, on 02/20/2008, -8/+5Nope she wasn't raped by saddam first.
- VinBea, on 02/20/2008, -7/+21Nobody better tell me police cracking 'heads' without consequences or accountability is by accident!
Hell, the feds ruling out of DC create the very dialectic mess in dividing us up as a nation along so many different emotional lines, and then erects this Police State apparatus to police it, for a paycheck, in a rather controlled progressive direction these rulers over us wanted us going in the first place?
In addition, nobody better tell me that there's a real difference between the damn fascist republicans, its leaders being found in the Bush dynasty on the left with their equally influential marxist communist democrats, its leaders being found in the Clinton dynasty on the right -- the whole head being sick as they jet-set about the globe eating the best there is to eat, and feast on - laughing all the way to the global bankers pulling their strings....- SquigglyP, on 02/20/2008, -0/+8you're mixing your metaphors. And your conspiracies.
which isn't to say you're not onto something. Just... I don't understand why you got dugg, on account of the fact that I can't really understand any of that crazy ***** you wrote up there. It looks like english, but it doesn't make a lot of sense.- gabeh73, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1he is saying democrats espouse pure marxism programs...bush and his dad are real live facists .....both the clintons and the bushes were made by David Rockefelller,Kissinger, Zebrinski who all work closely with and are the big bankers. The two parties play off their facists and communist rehtoric against each other but as long as power is centralized then the puppet masters are happy.
The facists hardest job is to pacify the folks in their wing are really believe in free-markets and smaller government.....so they use tools like Bill Oreilly and Fox News ...."we need to set up bases all over the world to protect ourselves and our oil interest. as soon as we get the war on terror under control we can get back to cutting government spending unless we have more "emergencies".
The marxists hardest job is to diminish the people in their party who truly believe in a more peaceful humane foreign policy....so they use tools like Noam Chomsky and CNN...yes tehy admit bush lied about the reasons for the Iraq war," but terrorism is really really scary and the government has never sponsored terror campaigns, JFK was killed by a lone gunman not a CIA coup and LBJ and George H Bush weren't involved at al...WTC 7 didn't exist, that is a conspiracy theory."
- gabeh73, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1he is saying democrats espouse pure marxism programs...bush and his dad are real live facists .....both the clintons and the bushes were made by David Rockefelller,Kissinger, Zebrinski who all work closely with and are the big bankers. The two parties play off their facists and communist rehtoric against each other but as long as power is centralized then the puppet masters are happy.
- Defuser, on 02/20/2008, -0/+0Yeah dumbass, because getting fired and facing jail time clearly means that there is no "consequences or accountability". And to answer the guy above me: the reason this retard is getting Dugg Up is because there are a lot of other retards on Digg who'll digg up ANYTHING as long as it looks like it's attacking America.
- SquigglyP, on 02/20/2008, -0/+8you're mixing your metaphors. And your conspiracies.
- jeffiek, on 02/20/2008, -0/+94Doesn't it make you wonder what went on BEFORE video cameras?
- jasonh1234, on 02/20/2008, -1/+17No. I've experienced it. I was like 15 years old vs 35 y/o 250lb cop Ended with me unconscious on the floor and him slapping me desperately to wake me up. Guy lifted me off the ground by my throat and I passed out. He was pissed because there wasn't enough evidence to arrest me for shoplifting something. Not that that's anywhere near as bad as this incident.
- joebaloney, on 02/20/2008, -11/+0Like 15 years old? You don't remember how old you were when that happened? Okay.
- jershie, on 02/20/2008, -0/+6God you are a douche!
- B3000, on 02/20/2008, -0/+3@joebaloney Just wait until you get a little older and you'll understand. When you get into your 30's the specific time-line of things in your teens starts to get a bit fuzzy.
- suntal, on 02/20/2008, -0/+4I'm almost like 60 years old, but even I can grasp and appreciate the gravity of the abuse experienced by the author as a teenager, without trying to minimize it by getting hung up on the youth cultural lexicon use of the word "like". If that was most upsetting aspect of this blog comment to you, perhaps you thought the rest of what happened was justified or OK? Like maybe you missed out on an opportunity to get in a few good licks yourself?
- joebaloney, on 02/20/2008, -11/+0Like 15 years old? You don't remember how old you were when that happened? Okay.
- terajoule, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1Bingo.
- Saea, on 02/20/2008, -0/+9My uncles parents were talking about when he was little he was riding in the car with his cop uncle. This is his accounts, and note that he apparently thought it was funny because he laughed.
He was in the car when they pulled a drunk man into it. The guy wouldn't stay quiet so they slammed his head against the side of the car that did make him quiet and later dragged him up the stairs of the police station by the feet with his head banging against each step. So funny! Someone could have died, hahaha!
Dirty pigs.
- jasonh1234, on 02/20/2008, -1/+17No. I've experienced it. I was like 15 years old vs 35 y/o 250lb cop Ended with me unconscious on the floor and him slapping me desperately to wake me up. Guy lifted me off the ground by my throat and I passed out. He was pissed because there wasn't enough evidence to arrest me for shoplifting something. Not that that's anywhere near as bad as this incident.
- phenry50BMG, on 02/20/2008, -8/+35When this happens to you or a loved one - you wait! Let the story blow over and the hoopla cease. Officer McDickhead will think all is OK and then you pay him a visit the same way his buddies in SWAT do - under cover of darkness. What you do with him is up to you.
Should you go the same route as SWAT would go with you, pick up your brass and wear footies over your shoes to make your tracks difficult to read. DON'T have your cell or anything electronic with you since the built in GPS could give you away. Also, DON'T tell anyone you've even thought about doing it. It will be your little secret with yourself. Run a rat-tail file through the barrel and toss it in a lake or swamp along with the spent brass. Use soft points, hollow points or any other type of frangible round since tracing them will be next to impossible.
I'm not advocating this, just throwing out something to chew on. I think you should just let the legal system do its thing.
Hey, if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander. Fighting back in broad daylight will NOT work. We will have to use their tactics to level the playing field.- Kappa00, on 02/20/2008, -1/+17Welcome to the terror watch list!
- Lapdog1123, on 02/20/2008, -0/+2We have Jackets!
- Whoopteedoo, on 02/20/2008, -1/+8This is what those assholes in the government mean by "homegrown terrorism". I don't think it is even close to being terrorism, when a terrorized populace fights back, but what you are advocating is murder for revenge. Are you talking about just taking out any lone officer you can find, or one who repeatedly behaves like the officer in this article?
- toastgodsupreme, on 02/20/2008, -0/+8Sounds more like self defense.
If we're not allowed to defend ourselves from the police's brutality... then what? - h3lx, on 02/20/2008, -0/+4I have to add that it's necessary to use a hunting scent mask for the K9s and a painters outfit and duct tape, a bleach bath, and most importantly, get someone you don't know to see you somewhere else. Having a good social distance from the target helps too.
- toastgodsupreme, on 02/20/2008, -0/+8Sounds more like self defense.
- Professr, on 02/20/2008, -7/+2Just have a seat over there...
- Litespeed, on 02/20/2008, -0/+8Remind me to never piss you off..... :-)
- triad203, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1Never. Piss. Me. Off.
- HaoTian, on 02/20/2008, -6/+0LOL... and you Americans wonder why your country is becoming a *****. Yeah... let's advocate revenge murders!
Really... come on now... are you THAT stupid?- Lapdog1123, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1Are you that stupid to not want a revenge murder? And how do you suppose we go about changing things? Have marches and protests? That cop couldn't give two ***** about that! But when some corrupt dick head who abuses his power gets killed for it, the next corrupt dick head will think twice about abusing his power. If enough of this happens, then POOF! no more corrupt dick heads!
- vmass20, on 02/20/2008, -1/+4Nailed it.... I've been thinking the same for some time... thanks for the rat filing idea... Pigs harass & tax. they dont serve and protect. They report what they think is a crime.. Do cops stop crimes? NO, they report them.. Defend yourself.. pigs are uneducated control tools.
- bxblox, on 02/20/2008, -0/+3Forget picking up brass, save time, bring a revolver
- Kappa00, on 02/20/2008, -1/+17Welcome to the terror watch list!
- jesuswuzanalien, on 02/20/2008, -16/+1Did anyone else read this and see "Broken teeth from 'fail'"?
- a6n28f, on 02/20/2008, -0/+6No, but I think we're about to see "Dugg down from fail."
- nycmac247, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1lol thanks
(sorry jesus)
- nycmac247, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1lol thanks
- a6n28f, on 02/20/2008, -0/+6No, but I think we're about to see "Dugg down from fail."
- digindrivefast, on 02/20/2008, -16/+3Sickness, insanity, loss of control and a frightened, ignorant, public. (Do not drink & Drive, Ever!)
If you are legal,Know your rights. Speak them with care & caution.
Keep your mouth shut...
Stay calm...- vmass20, on 02/20/2008, -0/+3what rights? seriously... i dont have any... last cop pulled me over for no reason except i looked suspicous and told me i really have no rights. We ended up shooting the *****, since, after searching the car he found nothing. as i have nothing ever in my care. So, Again, give me just 1, just one ***** right i have left. anyone? Besides shutting the hell up.
- Truzseeker, on 02/20/2008, -0/+2vmass20 is correct. People are getting fed up with the police state where no one has rights and catch them if you can, and then they are likely to pull this qualified immunity ***** from a lawsuit...tread carefully digindrivefast.
- raymondgoho, on 02/21/2008, -0/+1hey *****, you cop or something?
- brentinkc, on 02/20/2008, -5/+31If that woman was a friend of mine you can bet that ***** would have bet the business end of a bat by now.
- PatNolan, on 02/20/2008, -4/+13And you would be dead as well as stupid.
- iddybiddy, on 02/20/2008, -0/+3Sadly its that kind of action that will ultimately lead to the changes that are needed. This story will be forgotten in a week but if the cop got his comeuppance they would probably take note.
- HaoTian, on 02/20/2008, -1/+1They sure would take note... and you'd be giving people like Bush exactly what they need to declare martial law.
- brentinkc, on 02/20/2008, -1/+5Did everyone forget the part where the cop lost his job? It's not hard to beat up a civilian.
- HaoTian, on 02/20/2008, -1/+1They sure would take note... and you'd be giving people like Bush exactly what they need to declare martial law.
- iddybiddy, on 02/20/2008, -0/+3Sadly its that kind of action that will ultimately lead to the changes that are needed. This story will be forgotten in a week but if the cop got his comeuppance they would probably take note.
- Reap, on 02/20/2008, -2/+1Really? If I knew her, she wouldn't be my friend any more. I don't look kindly on drunk drivers..
- flip2trip, on 02/24/2008, -0/+0bringing a bat to a gun fight--not smart
- PatNolan, on 02/20/2008, -4/+13And you would be dead as well as stupid.
- PatNolan, on 02/20/2008, -30/+7I just like to point out that if a guy had been that combative with a cop and hit or bit him, most of you wouldn't object to the police tuning him up a little. When women start throwing blows with men, they surrender the "I'm a woman" protection. Just pointing out the sexism in most of your arguments.
- FallenTurtles, on 02/20/2008, -1/+12"Tuning him up" shouldn't involve black eyes, cuts to the face, a pool of blood, and a trip to the hospital. There's no sexism here.
- Aitese, on 02/20/2008, -1/+21There's sexism and then there's reasonable expectation. In this case to ASSUME a woman is not going to do much damage to a fully trained grown man in uniform is less sexist stereotyping, more something you would just expect to be true. Seeing as the police love tasers so much why did he not deploy one? CS gas? *****, I'm sure a SINGLE blow would have felled the lady. This was a sustained beating...a premeditated one at that seeing as he had the foresight to turn off the cameras.
- Aitese, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1***** Digg!
- mike17032, on 02/20/2008, -1/+2You have clearly never seen a drunken women fight.
- Aitese, on 02/20/2008, -0/+2Seen it plenty of times...just never while she was in cuffs...that would be a pretty short fight.
- sinrtb, on 02/21/2008, -0/+1@Aitese apparently it was 2 minutes long, alot longer then i would have suspected.
- ArikSantiago, on 02/20/2008, -0/+7Well the cop turned off the camera when he should not have, She was still in cuffs in a puddle of blood on the floor when the camera was turned back on. The cop obviously lies about how she got so beat up. I usually don't disagree with cops actions as much as I do this. This cop should be a felon and marked for society to watch out for him in public. When do people like u finally get the urge to stand up and say your mad? If this happened to you, a man, I would still be just as angry.
- Aitese, on 02/20/2008, -1/+3There's sexism and then there's reasonable expectation. In this case to ASSUME a woman is not going to do much damage to a fully trained grown man in uniform is less sexist stereotyping, more something you would just expect to be true. Seeing as the police love tasers so much why did he not deploy one? CS gas? *****, I'm sure a SINGLE blow would have felled the lady. This was a sustained beating...a premeditated one at that seeing as he had the foresight to turn off the cameras.
- jaxcs, on 02/20/2008, -0/+5throwing blows? she was cuffed. How much damage was this woman going to do anyway? I guess if 14 year old gives me lip, I should break his arm?
- PatNolan, on 02/20/2008, -1/+1Gives you lip -- no. Walks up and pops you in the nose - yes.
- acr2001, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1You are a ***** idiot. Have a nice day.
- PatNolan, on 02/20/2008, -1/+1Gives you lip -- no. Walks up and pops you in the nose - yes.
- bowens44, on 02/20/2008, -0/+4Did you even watch the video? She certainly was no 'throwing blows'. BTW I would be just as outraged if it was a man. The police in this country are completely out of control
- areamen, on 02/20/2008, -10/+2Oh look, the Joker.
- DjViral, on 02/20/2008, -4/+9burn him
- blankoboy, on 02/20/2008, -0/+20Sadly, there is no example set for the other officers. At worst they are generally fired or suspended with/without pay. If they ever hope to set an example for the rest of the law enforcement community they need to hold these animals fully accountable as any citizen would be.
But this is where it all falls down, the politicians and thus the top police brass want their officers to enforce with prejudice and induce fear in the common man/woman. - cjdixon1, on 02/20/2008, -2/+17Rot in HELL
- PhilMoskowitz, on 02/20/2008, -3/+19The world would be a better place if these kind of people were taken out back and shot.
- Envark, on 02/20/2008, -4/+1Yes, I agree. Drunk drivers should be taken out back and shot.
- Envark, on 02/20/2008, -1/+2I guess no one here appreciated jokes about ambiguous pronouns. :(
- flip2trip, on 02/24/2008, -0/+0I thought it was funny
- Envark, on 02/20/2008, -1/+2I guess no one here appreciated jokes about ambiguous pronouns. :(
- Envark, on 02/20/2008, -4/+1Yes, I agree. Drunk drivers should be taken out back and shot.
- piratearggghhh, on 02/20/2008, -1/+83And cops wonder why they're not respected and treated like professionals.
- Lenhart, on 02/20/2008, -4/+5Cops are not professionals and are obviously recruited from among scum who are attracted to the profession for the oppotunities it affirds --the opportunity to inflict pain and torture. This ***** is no better than the perps who tortured people at Abu Ghraib. Same mentality.
- ShnowDoggie, on 02/21/2008, -0/+1Some are (good solid professionals). Probably most. In fact, I know some good cops, and knew one not so good one. But clearly things need to improve. We need a good police force. But any authority without proper oversight will become corrupt. So the key is to make sure there is proper oversight. (check and balances and all that good stuff)
~Who Watches the Watchmen
- ShnowDoggie, on 02/21/2008, -0/+1Some are (good solid professionals). Probably most. In fact, I know some good cops, and knew one not so good one. But clearly things need to improve. We need a good police force. But any authority without proper oversight will become corrupt. So the key is to make sure there is proper oversight. (check and balances and all that good stuff)
- jershie, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1It could also be that any dumb-ass can do this job. 90% of the time, cops are people who were too lazy to go to college and actually contribute a real skill to society. So, they want a chance to get back at those of us who DID go to college and are now driving BMWs & Mercedes because they hate our success and believe they should be getting paid six figures to do a job that is essentially the same as that of a security guard.
- tgc1, on 02/20/2008, -0/+0That dude wasn't being professional.
- Lenhart, on 02/20/2008, -4/+5Cops are not professionals and are obviously recruited from among scum who are attracted to the profession for the oppotunities it affirds --the opportunity to inflict pain and torture. This ***** is no better than the perps who tortured people at Abu Ghraib. Same mentality.
- HumanRecall,
