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- ItIsNow, on 04/21/2009, -7/+41No surprise that the dimwit Peggy "Know-Nothing" Noonan would say something like this. She's the one who gave us Papa George Bush's "thousand points of light" line. Go to the Jon Stewart Daily Show web site to see him rip into Noonan.
- tdom, on 04/21/2009, -5/+33Once again its "the comedy news" and Jon Stewart who were the first to bring this out. Those talking heads on Sunday sat there and let the surupy old nun posit that position and none of them challenged her. Long live comedy news!
- inactive, on 04/21/2009, -5/+32When she actually pushed this *****, you could tell SHE didn't even believe it!
- NorthMass, on 04/22/2009, -2/+21Feingold is a good guy, he has the guts to call out Obama for his hypocritical crap.
- nepidae, on 04/22/2009, -4/+22Imagine if this was said about a citizen instead of an elite.
"Those murders were in the past, can't you just let your husband go? Investigating this case would probably just bring up bad memories." - scottknick, on 04/21/2009, -3/+20Well we saw during the whole Palin debacle that Peggy Noonan is adept at saying one thing on camera and bitterly saying something completely different off-camera. But she knows that to be an important Republican you need to check your integrity at the door.
- rbrinega, on 04/21/2009, -3/+16I have nuns who are friends. Please stop dissing them by associating them with this heinous phony. However, syrupy is a good description of her: she has an incredibly high smarmy quotient. I'm surprised her slacks didn't catch on fire.
- HallEffected, on 04/22/2009, -2/+12YOUR MOVE MR. FEINGOLD
since you can't bring yourself to "support" Obama's decision, why don't you bring yourself to start a congressional investigation? - PhilPerspective, on 04/22/2009, -10/+18Feingold '16. Who is with me?
- MontyPython314, on 04/22/2009, -5/+13I certainly hope he doesn't let up on this. To refrain from prosecuting those involved in torture because of "political sensitivities" is completely absurd. The people who said they were simply following orders should not be immune from prosecution and those who believed their position of authority allowed them to issue such orders MUST be held responsible by the American citizens.
- faskippy, on 04/22/2009, -3/+11Yeah, it's just you.
- MaryRW, on 04/21/2009, -0/+8Agree about the nun comment--some of the coolest people I've ever met are old nuns. Nothing wrong with being a nun. Nothing wrong with being old. :D
- inactive, on 04/22/2009, -0/+6Feingold would be a great president. He has a long history of fighting for what is best for the country even when it's unpopular -- and he's usually spot on. I'd vote for him in 2016.
- inactive, on 04/22/2009, -5/+10Nooooo problemo, people. Obama has already done a complete 180 on possible prosecutions. Even Obama supporters forget he has a backbone of Silly Putty. All you have to do is poke and prod and you can shape him into anything you want -- except a man of conviction.
Guess you drama queens will have to dream up another outrage to kvetch about. - treehugger87, on 04/22/2009, -0/+5*sigh*
Feingold != Feinstein
Senator Russ Feingold is a bold and persistent voice for what is right. He is a principled man. Please leave the California Senator out of the conversation. - zip000, on 04/22/2009, -0/+4/facepalm
- PopcornDave, on 04/22/2009, -0/+4No, to get on the talking head shows you need to check your integrity at the door since they're all a goddamned soap opera anymore anyway. The Sunday morning talk show died with Russert.
- TsuruchiBrian, on 04/22/2009, -1/+5I don't think we need to claim the existence of moral absolutes to send people to jail for breaking laws. We can even offer them a parting salute for sacrificing their own freedom (by going to jail) in an attempt to protect our country from terrorists via illegally torturing people.
Surely it's not the worst thing imaginable to send some of these patriotic lawbreakers to jail. After all it's not like they would be tortured or anything.... - treehugger87, on 04/22/2009, -0/+3@sanibel
How do you explain that the plot to attack the U.S. Bank Tower in Los Angeles was broken in 2002 but KSM was not captured until 2003?
White House fact sheet: "In 2002, we broke up a plot by KSM to hijack an airplane and fly it into the tallest building on the West Coast." http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/re ...
I repeat my contention that there is no evidence that even 1 life has been saved thanks to the use of torture. - TsuruchiBrian, on 04/22/2009, -0/+3Prosecuting the lawyers removes culpability from the real decision makers ("The Deciders" if you will). I don't even know why offering faulty legal advice is even illegal. I can understand these lawyers being disbarred for demonstrating their disregard for the law or merely their incompetence, but they shouldn't go to jail. Having an opinion, no matter how misguided, should not be a crime. Actually giving orders to torture and carrying out those acts, I believe, are crimes. Shifting the blame to these legal advisers is not only pointless, it is counterproductive. We may as well shift the blame to Bush's secretaries for delivering the torture memos to him.
I am getting pretty sick of underlings taking the fall for mistakes made in our government. - beloitpiper, on 04/22/2009, -1/+4God I love voting for that man.
- Chakat, on 04/22/2009, -0/+3The lesser of two evils is still pretty goddamn evil.
- zip000, on 04/22/2009, -0/+3I don't know enough about his other political positions to justify anything like that.
Though, I do like his stance on this issue. - letthemeatart, on 04/22/2009, -3/+5On Wisconsin!
- PopcornDave, on 04/22/2009, -0/+2Don't call him a good guy unless he follows through with something. It's one thing to hold a press conference and call the president out, but it's quite another to buck the administration and not get your nuts cut off in the process.
- RGB0099CC, on 04/22/2009, -1/+3Which department do you consider to be appropriate?
- captainglobal, on 04/22/2009, -0/+2Feingold is the kind of leader we need more of in the Senate. He has the guts to call out Bush AND Obama when they abuse power or break the law.
- deathandtaverns, on 04/22/2009, -0/+2Having the privilege of voting for Feingold is one of the best parts of living in Wisconsin.
- normlsparky, on 04/22/2009, -1/+3I'm not sure that Feingold is calling for accountability of the previous administration. It sounds like he just wants to go after the lawyers. He supported censure of Bush, not investigation and prosecution. I know this because he is my senator, and I sent him many e-mails regarding his position.
I would have more respect for Feingold if he was advocating accountability all the way up the chain of command, instead of stopping just short of the previous administration. It would seem that he is applying different standards for the same crime. Lawyers are fair game, while fellow politicians are not. - treehugger87, on 04/22/2009, -1/+3There is no evidence that even 1 life has been saved thanks to the use of torture. For every innocent man tortured, though, an entire extended family, neighborhood, clan and culture is given the motivation to fight back.
- RGB0099CC, on 04/22/2009, -1/+2"There are no moral absolutes." - Tell that to your God and his Ten Commandments.
Recognize your cognitive dissonance and act accordingly, Omega. You can embrace your moral ambiguity all you want, that is your prerogative. But, when you build your foundation on a pile of sand, you never know how far you will sink. - moothemagiccow, on 04/22/2009, -0/+1I'm gay for Feingold. I wish he was my Senator.
- MWeather, on 04/23/2009, -0/+1Could be worse. Mine is McCain.
- RGB0099CC, on 04/24/2009, -0/+1"Finally, I would be hesitant to take all my moral advice for the 21st century from a book that promotes slavery, polygamy, and animal sacrifice."
:) I am happy to see you say that. - Obermeister, on 04/23/2009, -0/+1My point is not that they don't deserve to be prosecuted, just that it's impossible that justice will be served since the next republican will simply pardon these war criminals.
I'd rather seem them "renditioned" to the Hauge to face charges there, where they'll be beyond the reach of some future Bush or Palin to pardon them. - fatfreddyscat, on 04/22/2009, -2/+3/the sound of crickets.
- inactive, on 04/22/2009, -0/+1Go back and listen to Obama's earlier speeches. He never ruled out going after Cheney, Rumsfeld or others who ordered torture.
I don't know how many times I'd listen to what Obama said about torture prosecutions, and then the media would twist his words and say he said more than he actually said. Once one pundit or reporter drew the wrong conclusion, the rest of the pack ran with it.
I thought Obama was very smart to leave the door open for prosecutions but let the media run with the opposite idea. I'm not sure Cheney would have repeatedly incriminated himself on TV with confessions about torture if Obama had blatantly said he was going to prosecute Cheney. - inactive, on 04/22/2009, -9/+10As much as I hated Bush, I'm starting to have the same feelings for Obama.
This man hasn't made one decision I agree with.
Not one!
Our nation will suffer greatly for his incompetence - charlie6969, on 04/22/2009, -0/+1"Cowardice asks the question: is it safe? Expediency asks the question: is it politic? Vanity asks the question: is it popular? But conscience asks the question: is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular--but one must take it because it is right."
Martin Luther King, Jr. - scootmandu, on 04/26/2009, -0/+0He was my choice for '08. I am disappointed he did not run. He is my favorite pol, hands down.
- Omega037, on 04/23/2009, -0/+0In our society and legal system, there are no moral absolutes. And with the exception of some extreme cults, there are none in religion. Suicide and Murder are considered great evils in the bible, but sacrificing yourself for another and killing to prevent the death of another is considered a great good and heroic. God commands the Israelites to murder other groups on several occasions.
In fact, the entire commandment system, including all 600 or so laws from the bible along with the ten major ones, have a tiered system where it is okay and even required to break one law in order to fulfill another.
Finally, I would be hesitant to take all my moral advice for the 21st century from a book that promotes slavery, polygamy, and animal sacrifice. - fabeetz, on 04/22/2009, -2/+2Feingold - keep up the pressure - don't run away wimpering in the face of Cheney's hissing and snarling in the way that Obama's people have. Dickie knows his number is up - goose is cooked - fat is in the fire. That's why he has unleashed his shock troops back into the public eye. That worked before - the best defense is a good offense. The trouble is that he isn't Vice-Prick anymore, so there's no real power to push that agenda of fear. Too bad the Obama's fell for it this time, the same way they did in voting in support of the Bushies when they were in the Senate. Don't worry Russ, they'll flip back to the side of real patriots when the poll numbers come in. I guess they forgot - they won the election. Torture by snarlin' Dick can do that to a person. Maybe that's what Dick means when he says he has proof that torture is effective.
- gfryesc, on 04/22/2009, -5/+5hey, DIGG/HUFFPO, why don't you unload on Feinstein for steering 25billion in TARP funds towards helping her husband's company!
- slimeyd, on 04/22/2009, -0/+0How dare we prosecute torturers; that would be un-american.
- StankInTheBank, on 04/22/2009, -2/+1Peggy Noonan's ***** is dry indeed.
- superkendall, on 04/22/2009, -8/+7Probably a good point to mention that the torture memos revealed the techniques used, but not what information was found and acted on based on the results:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/04/0233 ...
It seems insane to me to punish people simply for writing a position paper on the possible legality of something. It would be like putting someone in jail just for writing a paper explaining why we should legalize drugs. - ASeventhSign, on 04/22/2009, -2/+0He's your God too. You just have not accepted the truth yet. Please do before it is too late.
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