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- rinpoche, on 07/10/2008, -3/+32Obama voted to help Bush shred what's left of the constitution. Who do I vote for now.
Good thing taht two party system works so well. - waxandwane, on 07/10/2008, -3/+29I really wish that Russ had run for Prez. Kucinich was our best option but the stupid media couldn't get over the fact that he is short.
- btschul, on 07/11/2008, -5/+24Dear Obama sheep,
Hahahahhahhaha where is your change now? Obama voted for this just like McCain. - noncn4mst, on 04/15/2009, -1/+17I wish I was that optimistic...
- BlacklabelSAR, on 07/11/2008, -0/+13From Orwell's 1984
"The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end." - ThaDRD, on 07/11/2008, -1/+10I'm so sick of this administration using terrorism as the drive to get these things passed. Hey, guess what, I'm not afraid of terrorists, but it looks like I should be afraid of my own U.S. government.
- inactive, on 07/10/2008, -3/+12That's ok, the blot of the Bush presidency is so dark and wide we'll never notice another black mark.
- inactive, on 07/11/2008, -3/+11another trampling of the Constitution. I wonder if Bush Jr. can name the first 10 amendments...?
- nedzeve, on 07/11/2008, -2/+9Feingold/Kucinich ticket would be awesome, but it would never happen in the country that elected for Bush twice.
- MCCULLAH, on 07/11/2008, -0/+7so why did obama vote for it?
- RabidAngel, on 07/11/2008, -1/+6A black mark? Really? I was thinking more like the end of the original American legacy.
- SkubaEL, on 07/11/2008, -2/+7Ha! One look at his records shows he is a shame to true libertarians. He speaks to the tune of far-right conservatives.
- Expl0siv0, on 07/11/2008, -1/+6The most ridiculous part about the primary debates is that most candidates were asked serious questions about issues. However, Kucinich was instead asked a question like, "Is it true you said you saw a UFO?" Because, as we all know, that's how politics work.
- OfNumbers, on 07/11/2008, -1/+6I'd make a lot of obscene threats and gestures, but apparently that's gonna get me in to deep ***** now online. Oh well, time to stack on the pornographic google searches for the FBI to undoubtedly steal, and also masturbate too.
- cyberprunes, on 07/11/2008, -0/+4Damn you Obama. I will never forgive you. Just another status quo politician trying to cover his ass from every angle.
How can you talk about sweeping change in Washington and then vote yea on FISA?
Obamas new politics.... publicly oppose retroactive immunity, then vote FOR it, then say that when you're president you'll retroactively fight it! What a ***** he turned out to be. Barack Obama : ***** on legs. - nosecohn, on 07/11/2008, -0/+4So here's what we're asked to believe about Obama: he said he would fight against telecom immunity, then he voted for it, but when he's President, he'll work to reverse the legislation he voted for. C'mon, man! I like Feingold, and I even like Obama (though less now), but how are we supposed to buy that? And why didn't the interviewer didn't press him on this point?
- Lazydriver, on 07/11/2008, -0/+4Senator Harry Reid was one of the 26 who stood up for our rights yesterday. Unlike our other douchebag senator, John Ensign.
So sit down, and really understand that: hey, Pelosi should be kicked, not Reid! - wolferz, on 07/11/2008, -3/+7For people saying that voting for an independent or some one supported by a smaller party is pointless, I got a little tid bit of info you should know.
If a candidate with a party successfully receives more than a certain percentage of the vote (something like 2%) next time his party runs they are entitled to campaign financing from the government... which could make a huge difference in subsequent elections. Unfortunately I can not find exact numbers for the life of me. If any one has this info please share.
One of the main reasons smaller parties and independents go unheard is because they can not afford to spend the money necessary to get heard. Every one made a huge stink that Nader made legalizing marijuana his primary platform because they said he was just trying to get attention... But that's the kind of thing they have to do because they can't afford to bring their message to us... they have to use things like viral marketing and theatrics to bring us to them... and it simply isn't as effective.
They also get burried by sites like the Washington Post who list only Obama and McCain as candidates for the 2008 election.
Frankly if there was any one out of the other options that I would want to win it would be Nader... his history, at least before running for president, is one of championing real change in our politics and government. His supposed pledge to legalize marijuana (which is actually part of the green parties doctrine... whom he is not campaigning for this year) is irrelevant to me. Seeing this country fixed, something only nader has shown himself both willing and capable of actually doing, should be number one priority now.
I'll bet you with Nader in the oval office heads would roll in the senate and the house. Campaign finance would finally get REAL reform and stuff liek FISA, the DMCA, and the Patriot act would be all but completely erased from existence.
But your right... that CAN'T happen this year... but if enough people were to vote for the other options... perhaps it could happen 4 years from now. - pr0t0, on 07/11/2008, -1/+5Too early? It's already too late. I don't advocate violent revolution, but vocal activism was well warranted. You know the story about boiling a frog? Drop a frog in a pot of boiling water and it will hop out. Put a frog in a pot of water then slowly bring it to boil, and the frog will just sit there and cook to death.
America is the pot, our laws are the water, the stripping of freedoms and shredding of the constitution is the heat. And let's face it, we have all been playing the frog in our own ways. I know I didn't participate in or organize a march on D.C.
Anybody got some melted butter? - BlacklabelSAR, on 07/11/2008, -0/+4Damn, and now that the dollar has be devalued less people can afford to get out.
- wolferz, on 07/11/2008, -4/+7Errr... actually McCain was not present for the vote and as such did not vote at all... not saying he wouldn't have voted for it though... just wanted to point out that you're talking out your ass.
- wolferz, on 07/11/2008, -1/+4When is it no longer too early? When they start putting cameras in our homes and making us attend "Two Minutes of Hate" assemblies?
Let's not forget that Hitler was elected to his position. The German people allowed what happened to happen. They could have risen up against him when he started passing laws and showing support of his ultra totalitarian views. They didn't. Then once he was elected it was too late... he had the German army and he had the SS... and he took away all the freedoms that would have allowed the Germans to organize against him.
By putting a strangle hold on the the rights of the citizens it is possible to make organizing in numbers sufficient for a revolution impossible. If people can not organize in sufficient numbers there can be no revolution. For it to even be possible for there to be a revolution then, the government must be stopped before those freedoms are gone. - btschul, on 07/11/2008, -3/+6Drogoganor: What the ***** are you talking about? My priorities are out of order because I believe in freedom and the constitution?
- a1cd, on 07/11/2008, -2/+5You should all come up here to Canada... we have plenty of room!
- wolferz, on 07/11/2008, -0/+3that assumes the 2 main parties aren't working together and, while I'm sure they differ on a lot of details, there is no doubt that they want the same basic thing... more power. No matter which of them win and no matter what is done leading up to that, America still loses.
- SkubaEL, on 07/11/2008, -0/+3Whoever you feel will have less negative impact on the country. You must realize there is no perfect, flawless candidate, every politician is tarnished by our current government system. Obama's FISA vote was a terribly miscalculated effort to appease voters who feels such efforts keep America safe. He is pandering to too many audiences.
- urothane, on 07/11/2008, -0/+3I think that is the exact reason he should run, but I understand why most think he would fail.
- mCanada, on 07/11/2008, -1/+4Don't ***** them. We have Harper, it's a toss up. You'll be wasting money on U-Haul.
- MrWhite7, on 07/11/2008, -3/+6Shame you assume someone who mocks obama approves of bush.
- TheShadowKnows, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2Yeah, it's the black at the end of the video.
Time to stop watching and go make our own history now. - rubaaan, on 07/11/2008, -2/+4lets start a digg militia.
anonymous started their own, why cant the rest of us do so. - btschul, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2That's what I meant
- WTFppl, on 07/11/2008, -1/+3Here is a plausible situation. McCain knew that enough votes would go through on the FISA bill that his vote would not be required. Showing as McCain had not voted on the FISA bill would give him substantial public pull. Than once McCain was in office, his mind could easily change and "executive privilege" would be his shield!
- btschul, on 07/11/2008, -4/+6You assume that because I don't support your Savior that I support bush? God you Obama sheep are even more ignorant than I thought.
- SkubaEL, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2Perhaps I was mistaken in my word choice. I'm not talking about appeasing party voters for the primary I talking about Obama attempting to draw away conservative leaning voters. He is trying to get those voters and fend off conservative criticism. These drifts to center are an attempt to gain as many voters from both sides since the election is predicted to be close. It's all strategy to win, and, speaking for both candidates, they will say anything to gain votes and what they preach most likely doesn't represent how they will run the country.
- btschul, on 07/11/2008, -2/+4We all know he completely supports it.
"Senator John McCain, the likely Republican presidential nominee, was campaigning in Ohio and did not vote, though he has consistently supported the immunity plan." - Radar3D, on 07/11/2008, -1/+3Sure he can.
1. Thou shall have no other Gods before me.
2. Thou shall not make for yourself an idol.
etc.
Oh, the other set of 10. Naw, those are just a piece of paper. - Nintendesert, on 07/11/2008, -2/+3Democrat controlled Senate and House. The condemnation of the passed bill is laughable. They did it. All of it. They are the ones in power.
- DocOrpheus, on 07/11/2008, -3/+4I repeat:
Feingold for Senate Majority Leader. - miamidolfan13, on 07/11/2008, -2/+3I added an article to my list about the Dems who voted in favor of this crap bill. It is about the money they have received from the telecoms. Bluetidalwave blog. the only one that surprised me was obama
- QuantumRiff, on 07/11/2008, -3/+4I'm so glad I'm moving to Wisconsin.. I'll be proud to have this great man as my Senator.. Of course, Ron Wyden has been pretty darn good representing Oregon too
- Lazydriver, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1Unfortunately, their ideologies grow ever similar. Now we must destroy both of those parties and have them splinter so everyone has their representative.
- jdago, on 07/11/2008, -2/+3i dont think so i still love the united states.
- msimeth, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1Feingold does what a senator is supposed to. He is very ethical and consistent on issues.I have a lot of respect for him even though I almost never agree with him. He is one of the few senators that will actually hold his colleges feet to the flames so to speak.
- libertad123, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1Because he's really like every other politician in Washington, just a much better Orator and ass kisser
- WTFppl, on 07/11/2008, -1/+2Here is a plausible situation. McCain knew that enough votes would go through on the FISA bill that his vote would not be required. Showing as McCain had not voted on the FISA bill would give him substantial public pull. Than once McCain was in office, his mind could easily change and "executive privilege" would be his shield!
It's been stated, the percentages are now going to be in McCain's favor! - cyberprunes, on 07/11/2008, -1/+2Just to clarify. McCain didn't vote on it. He does support it.
- SkubaEL, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1True they both want more power, but their thirst is driven by opposing sets of ideologies on how to run the nation. They will fight to block each others progress and when played against each other it brings a certain "normalcy" in our state of affairs. I feel the conservatives have had too much free range this administration and a liberal administration will hopefully steer this country back on course, and ideally, then a new, independent mentality will bring prosperity. I don't believe both parties are dancing hand in hand seeking subjugation of the American people.
- WTFppl, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1I wouldn't be so sure of that!
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