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Feds Accuse Student Of Terror For Talking About Constitution

prisonplanet.com — A student of a large bible college in east Texas was accused by federal agents of committing an "act of terror and espionage" after he gave a talk to a group of Boy Scouts in which he encouraged them to educate themselves about the U.S. constitution.

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maxtangent, on 05/12/2008, -2/+55The laws on 'hate speech' set the precedent for criminalizing speech in general.
Where does it end? Oh, right - it ends in thought crime, as in 'planning terrorist acts'. It's not just a crime to commit an act, you cannot even write a story about terrorist plots without becoming one yourself.
Oh, well. At least 'they' won't be able to hate us for our freedoms once they've ceased to exist.
- mystcnurse, on 05/13/2008, -0/+20I thought that was what it was all about. They "hate us for our freedoms". Bush doesn't want them to hate us, does he? He is SUCH a good president. And you know, I'm sure he knows what is best for us proles.
  - SaraLiberty, on 08/16/2008, -0/+25"We were attacked on September 11th by evildoers who hate our freedoms and way of life"
    
    Yet who is it that's destroying our American freedoms, civil liberties, dismantling the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights? No evil Jihadist could have ever accomplished that. Bin Laden didn't give us a Patriot Act, Homeland (in)Security gestapo, Real ID act, HR1955 or wiretapping spy bill legislation either.
    - ad33lshahid, on 05/14/2008, -0/+10i dont know how people believe that "they hate us for our freedoms" *****... has anyone even PAID attention to what they say on those "tapes" they keep releasing? they hate america for having standing armies / bases in their nations.. NOT for america's freedoms. If you want people that hate america for its freedoms you need to look no further than jerry falwell and pat robertson.
      - knobtwiddler, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3nooooo...... they hate our "FREEDOMS(r)"
        (freedom = we bomb the crap out of your country and take ur oil... wink nudge)
limelemon, on 05/12/2008, -2/+55There is a mention in the article which is a mistake. The Bill of Rights IS NOT a list of rights that we have. The Bill of Rights provide NO RIGHTS to anyone. The Bill of Rights PROTECT the People's pre-existing rights. The Bill of Rights tell the Feds that they cannot make any law or infringe on these certain rights. And any rights which are not listed are retained by the people. This is because we DO NOT derive any rights from government. The Constitution is where we tell the government what their limited role is. WE ALREADY HAVE ALL NATURAL RIGHTS.
- onedeaddj, on 05/12/2008, -1/+25"Jeff also mentioned that the freedoms enumerated in the bill of rights were fast being usurped by the government and he briefly talked about the USA Patriot Act." The word "enumerated" means pointed out - not afforded by. So this is covered in the article.
- faithfreedom, on 05/13/2008, -0/+13I couldnt say that better.
CryRightardCry, on 05/12/2008, -5/+47Gotta keep people ignorant of the Constitution if you are planning on violating it.
I'm sick of so many stories where people give in, too.
Why didn't he force the issue?
eieoeoo, on 05/12/2008, -3/+37Feel frustrated? Want to do something to win the information war?

http://infowarsmoneybomb.com Do not let the truth be silenced!
rossin, on 05/12/2008, -1/+37Those Nazis are going out of control...
People should connect in friendly connections more and more, forgetting about petty divisions, because that's what you need in such time: witnesses and support! Also, groups that provoke the Nazis: one exerecizing his rights while a few friends filming from different angles secretly. If the Nazis strike--immediate posting on the web.

Keep dear people good energy vibrations in and around you also--very important not do let negative thoughts turn in loops into you because it drains the fighter's energy like this! We do what has to be done but without negative attitude in our energy field! Let our energy join--so we support eachother's INTENT even through physical boundaries and distances--because this is how energy works!
Free America has always been inspiration to someone who spent quite a few years in a commy dictatorship. There we used to listen secretly to the Voice of America. America was still different back then: on this radio they used to play J. Cash,' "highway man", read stories about the founding fathers... I want the Free America's Renaissance again: even stronger and freeer!!!
Love to all!
- patriotfilms, on 05/13/2008, -0/+20That story made me so angry and sick to my stomach, but you reminded me that the rEVOLution is about love, and that we must focus our thoughts and intentions in a positive light. Thank you Rossin.
- deepseas, on 05/13/2008, -0/+10Rossin...thanks for the reminder. This is so true! Like the hundredth monkey theory - love, peace and solutions will come to the masses if we keep our thoughts focused on the positive and the end result desired. We see this in the fast learning of the sheeple in what this government has done to America and the world. Americans have had the barriers of the corrupt system, aided by the media in feeding us lies and propaganda. But there is a fast learning curve and the masses are waking up to the truth.
yaridanjo, on 05/12/2008, -1/+30Shhhh!
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la- ...
Government in secret
The Yoo memo is just one example of Bush's hidden laws.
- mystcnurse, on 05/13/2008, -0/+8Betcha 100 bucks that Lindsey Graham is on the list of special readers.
ZZeke, on 05/12/2008, -1/+30This is despicable. The ***** who are behind this need to have the constitution tattooed on their faces. With a dull needle.
freetruthtv, on 05/12/2008, -1/+25It sounds like the summer for a constitutional tour de force. a march from sea to shining sea to deliver AGAIN to the government the constitution by which they must operate. all other activities derived (i.e. schemed) outside of it is treasonous and should be ceased.

To accuse the people for enforcing the rights we gave them is ludicrous!! We would have to march in millions peacefully to insist on demonstrating our seriousness and commitment to the principle on which we gained our freedom. Victory Over Tyranny Everywhere!
- stienster, on 05/14/2008, -0/+7I was just thinking this also. If we could organize a nationwide strike, we'd manage a coup. If every single person stopped reporting for work and peacefully picket the government (banners/placards) outside of our places of employment, not returning to work until the current admin hears and leaves, that may be the only way to stop the madness. Crash the country by peaceful resistance. We need to pick a date to begin the WORK-OUT.
WiseWeasel, on 05/13/2008, -4/+14Stories like this make me want to send another $100 to the ACLU... Who's with me?
- yellowcakewalk, on 05/14/2008, -1/+2I just sent 'em $50, but encourage everyone to give what they can.
- kemp34, on 05/14/2008, -1/+4Be sure to check out the Institute for Justice as well. They are smaller, but have an even better formula and they are growing.
SaraLiberty, on 08/16/2008, -1/+33The Department of Homeland (in)Security needs to be abolished ASAP. It is nothing but an unconstitutional farce and complete waste of our tax money. Get rid of it we don't need this Nazi scheme. America has a Constitution for a reason. Throw out the FBI too. More useless waste. All of the alphabet soup agencies can't stop a 9-11 nor can they investigate the truth behind the crimes but they can sure harass good American citizens for talking about the Constitution!

"If you say anything, do anything, continue to talk about these kind of things, we can have your head on a silver platter and the University's head on a silver platter and all the programs they've got going on."

Stand up for your rights. Before it is too late.
- mystcnurse, on 05/13/2008, -0/+15How could it be any other way? Chertoff is a DUAL ***** CITIZEN. HOW IN THE HELL does he become the Homeland Security Czar???? Why isn't EVERYBODY FREAKING OUT ABOUT THIS?????
- TrevaLVF, on 05/14/2008, -0/+5I don't call myself "conservative," but the Homeland Security Dept. is such a bureaucratic waste. It's what I call, "Big Government expansion."
  Chertoff looks like KGB.
InsideJob11Sep, on 05/13/2008, -1/+31Those Feds have broken their official oath & have comitted treason!
siuslaw5, on 05/13/2008, -0/+35Lets rally around folks like Ron Paul who will reinstate our constitutional rights
Rabbit63, on 05/13/2008, -0/+22There are so many CHICKENS coming home lately in the USA, that it is a wonder they can all find places to ROOST.

One wonders if it isn't perhaps the chicken ***** running down their faces which keeps clowns like JCM, Herky and Onetimer, among others blind to the reality which surrounds them.
- darion, on 05/13/2008, -0/+14Talking about retard and company they havnt shown their happy faces lately. But I gess they will all be back when they clock in later.
  - Kent4jmj, on 05/13/2008, -0/+8don't forget ssn and madkenney
  - SaraLiberty, on 08/16/2008, -0/+5Yes, forget about them and the other paid for bottom feeder propagandists. Forget them. They're not worth remembering. At all. They defend the most vile criminal filth imaginable. Why even mention their names do you miss them or something? Your efforts are better focused on dialoging with real human beings that will consider the truth not Pentagon propaganda. Interact with people who will listen. Log off your computer for 10 minutes and talk with some real people in the real world. Time & energy well spent believe me. Meet with local politicians and speak with representatives. Encourage them to demand a new 9-11 investigation. Don't waste life on the Internet hiding in a computer in desperation to convince a few rogue spooks of 9-11 truth you're wasting your time 100%. They will only laugh at you. The Digg shill team will never acknowledge one single piece of information or evidence we provide, ever. Their obvious motive is to smear us. Deny deny deny. Refute anything and everything that contradicts the official government sentiment. Why bother. Unless you have nothing better to do. They are an insult to 9-11 families who want the truth of the cover-up. They are disgrace to us families who lost loved ones on 9-11 and want a new, real investigation not government whitewash and lies. They're not here to seek truth or be convinced. They aren't going to ever validate anything you or I provide. Ever. No matter how much you 'try'. That's not what they exist here 24/7 for. Carry on like they don't exist. Why even bother to acknowledge these lonely attention-craving insultuous government apologist traitors? Why continue to take their squirrel bait. Ignore them completely.
KerouacCat, on 05/13/2008, -2/+21Friends, is all of this really so surprising? Look at who runs HitlerlandSecurity: Michael Chertoff, a satanic imbecile. Chertoff follows the satanic Talmud which names Christianity as its top enemy to be destroyed (same goal of the ADL) and defames Jesus Christ with vile wordage. (The Talmud also states that 'Adam had sexual relations with the animals in the garden' among numerous bizarre commentaries. http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/synagogue_of_s ...

Chertoff is attempting to pave the way for the Beast (antichrist) who I believe will arise immediately after Christ returns for His saints (Rapture). Into this void the Beast will set-up his new world order including forcing the entire world to receive his mark upon their forehead or right hand. Without this mark you will not be able to "buy or sell" and if you refuse it, you will be hunted down and slaughtered. Chertoff is attempting to force the Real ID card upon all Americans; without it you will not be able to travel, board an airplane, bus or train. This is obvously a fore-runner to the mark of the Beast.

This is serious stuff folks, but Jesus told us "don't let your hearts be troubled." How? He sends the Holy Spirit to strengthen us and His angels are all around protecting us. Trust in Him alone and devour the word of God. Stay in close prayer with the Lord at all times and He will keep you safe from these demonic, hellbound, satanists. If you will do the work of the Lord here on earth, I guarantee you He'll protect you and do your fighting for you.
- bodhi1963, on 05/13/2008, -6/+1I find it interesting that you use the term "HitlerlandSecurity", then go on disparaging the Talmud as being Satanic. Blaming the Jewish people for the world's ills is boorish, moronic and just plain misguided. I'm not Jewish but I'm certainly not Christian either, but I would bet I know more about either of them than you do. Take your anti-Semitism elsewhere, learn to love your neighbor, ya know? And you might want to stop reading those Left Behind books, chuckles....
- deepseas, on 05/13/2008, -3/+2Christianity and the sheeple is a major part of the problem.
  After studying religion in a "christian university," I was shocked to learn the bible has been written and rewritten over the years by those in power. While there are many great lessons in the bible, you need to do some serious homework and realize it is filled with countless fables to contain and control the masses. No religion should be bashed or riduculed. And no religion should be followed as the complete answer to everything. Blind adherence to any religion that creates sheeple who cannot think for themselves is up to no good.
  
  I agree: blaming the Jews for everything is dangerous and foolish. Chertoff is evil and he may be carrying out a plot along with other Zionist Jews. However, the same could be said for cults in various societies around the world. Evil and corruption may exist even in your church, and we know it exists in Christianity in general. So we need to keep the blame in perspective.
  
  I am so sick of "God Bless America" chanters and flag-waving "so-called" patriots. If these folks want to abide by Jesus' real intentions, they would say "God Bless the world" and actually work to prevent and stop the horrors created by this corrupt American system. If flag-waving patriots and Christians want to really be patriots, they would open their personal homes to returning soldiers and look after them. That would be an excellent way to "Support The Troops" rather than display a bumber sticker and be done with it. If these same people who claim to be real Christians had been gifted with "discernment," they would have seen through the evil Bush/Cheney oil men and not voted for them in the first place - as most of the preachers advised them to. It's interesting to note that many "conspiracy theorists" and non-Christians saw through their lies. Something to seriously think about!
  
  Ignorant hell and damnation Christians, along with their corrupt, self-interested preachers have sold out America and the world. Rev. Wright was wrong to say "God Damn America!" He should have said "America has damned itself!"
  
  Christ walked on water...A serpent told Adam and Eve not to eat the apple...The burning bush talked to Moses...Eve was created from Adams rib...Mary was a virgin who gave birth by immaculate conception...
  
  These and others are fables and should be treated as such. There are many wonderful ideas we can use from the bible, but we must be careful to separate reason and reality from stories and fables. Christians need to wake up to the fact that nazi Bush and certain politicians are working in cahoots with greedy ministers and have pulled the greatest scam over the sheeple.
  
  The most pure people do not walk with their religion or philosophy on their chest. They PRACTICE what they believe in every action and respect others for their beliefs. Anything that smacks of hatred, bias, racism, separatism, elitism and arrogance is questioned and to be avoided. Those characteristics are indicative of fear and evil...the very opposite of peace and love.
  
  Let's stop spreading hate, ignorance and division. Start spreading love, peace and solutions...and walk the talk!
evergrim, on 05/13/2008, -1/+15I love the constitution, it was written on hemp paper. ;)
thereisnostate, on 05/13/2008, -1/+7Donate to the ACLU.
Rich333, on 05/13/2008, -4/+7expected/10

The Constitution was an assault on liberty and an affront to those who actually fought in the revolution when it was first written. Its purpose was to legitimize the plunder and oppression of the American people at a time when our society was rife with anti-government sentiment. It has long since outlived its usefulness, and represents only a more tolerable slavery as an ideal. What makes it more tolerable also provides for less power and plunder to the ruling class, so it's entirely unsurprising that they would wish to do away with it now that most people worship the government like a god with or without it.
- bodhi1963, on 05/13/2008, -1/+6excuse me but can you explain to me just WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?? I'm not sure you know. Please enlighten me...
  - phenry, on 05/13/2008, -0/+9He's talking about Patrick Henry's and other great patriots' attitude toward the bloodless coup in Philadelphia. "Such a government is incompatible with the genius of republicanism. There will be no checks, no real balances, in this government. What can avail your specious, imaginary balances, your rope-dancing, chain-rattling, ridiculous ideal checks and contrivances? ...It is on a supposition that your American governors shall be honest that all the good qualities of this government are founded; but its defective and imperfect construction puts it in their power to perpetrate the worst of mischiefs should they be bad men; and, sir, would not all the world blame our distracted folly in resting our rights upon the contingency of our rulers being good or bad? Show me that age and country where the rights and liberties of the people were placed on the sole chance of their rulers being good men without a consequent loss of liberty! I say that the loss of that dearest privilege has ever followed, with absolute certainty, every such mad attempt."
    
    Patrick Henry, Jun. 5, 1788 - from a speech opposing the adoption of the Constitution to the Virginia Ratifying Convention
    - deepseas, on 05/13/2008, -1/+3Uh-huh. Much like many of the greatest atrocities done to humanity under the name of Christianity.
69fezz96, on 05/13/2008, -0/+14Remember, they attacked us cause they hate our freedoms. I've actually been to a lecture on terrorism put on by a former FBI Guantanamo interegater. The main message he was trying to get across was support of torture, with the ticking time bomb scenario. 20% of his talk was on foreign terrorist and about 80% was on DOMESTIC TERRORISM!! He even said that the Founding Fathers were terrorists, I had seen this kind of talk in a documentary where a FEMA guy was giving a talk to a group of police officers, but when I seen this played out before my eyes it was made absolutely clear that the war on terrorism is nothing more than a war on our Liberties.

Wake up Diggers, or you'll be digging your own graves soon.
deepseas, on 05/13/2008, -0/+9And they thought they were free...
Interesting that the marine who reported the preacher to the feds appeared shaken by the outcome. Is he just now aware of the consequences of tattling to the nazis? What an ass!
- cwabray, on 05/14/2008, -1/+5I think you misinterpreted it, unless I did.
  
  There was a marine within the group of boy scouts that was likely the one who made the complaint. A different person, a retired veteran who is now an official at the Bible college, was present during the interrogation and shaken by it. I don't believe the two people are the same.
  - cwabray, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4why would I get dugg down?
    
    "Jeff speculated that the recording of his talk with the Boy Scouts may have been made by a scout master who looked like a Marine that was taking the tour with Jeff."
    
    "Jeff said that a high level college official who was present during the meeting, himself an ex-Marine Vietnam veteran, was extremely nervous and "shaking" as Jeff was being lectured by the two men."
  - deepseas, on 05/16/2008, -0/+0Thanks. I think you are correct.
    
    It's possible someone dugg you down by mistake. I've done that before. Not to worry. Looks like you have 4 diggs right now.
ChildofDestiny, on 05/13/2008, -0/+4Loyalty to your country or loyalty to yourself?
ad33lshahid, on 05/14/2008, -0/+13"Alex Jones' 2001 documentary film 9/11: The Road to Tyranny featured footage from a FEMA symposium given to firefighters and other emergency personnel in Kansas City in which it was stated that the founding fathers, Christians and homeschoolers were terrorists and should be treated with the utmost suspicion and brutality in times of national emergency.

The lecturer identifies George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers as "terrorists". "

That is some seroius *****.... these jackasses forget who's struggle allowed them to even be here in the first place. How'd it get this way?
- kemp34, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4Pure treason.
Look4Truth, on 05/14/2008, -2/+9Can't have all that patriotic talk now, charge up dem tasers!
cwabray, on 05/14/2008, -0/+79/11 = cui bono?
- GovernmentSp00k, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4We the people (aka expendable serfs) sure don't.
freedomwv, on 05/14/2008, -0/+9This is crazy! The US constitution is what our nation was founded on and suddenly it is a crime to even talk about it!? This is how a police state acts! This is sick! This is an outrage! Goddammit!
macwisdom, on 05/14/2008, -0/+10We have an illegitimate Administration subverting the constitution that it swore to uphold.
Heysal, on 05/14/2008, -0/+8I was taught to obey the constitution in a Government funded school system. Tell me now I can't support it? Hit em in the wallet -- LAWSUITS galore - hit the corporation where it hurts them and the only thing they understand. Let's break their maniacal asses.
- deepseas, on 05/16/2008, -0/+2"In our society, growing food yourself has become the most radical of acts. It is truly the only effective protest, one that can - and will - overturn the corporate powers that be." Jules Dervaes
SaraLiberty, on 08/16/2008, -1/+6http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/FBI-MCSOTerroris ...
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/FBI-MCSOTerroris ...
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Talk about the United States Constitution, you are now considered a "RIGHT WING 'EXTREMIST' "defender of US Constitution against federal government and the UN" (how on earth did the UN factor into the equation??) aka a "SUPER PATRIOT" and therefore, a "terrorist threat".

What an absurd, appalling JOKE. I never, ever imagined in all my years that America the great would come to this. This is exactly what America's founding fathers & countrymen revolved against the British & "King' George" (sound familiar?) back in the 1700's. It's why they gave us a Constitution in the first place! Now the fascists have destroyed it, they brand you "terrorist" "right wing extremist" for openly talking about it. What a travesty.
- deepseas, on 05/16/2008, -0/+3Everything is half-ass backwards under this regime. Up is down, left is right, and people are making up their own fuzzy math and manipulating numbers. Spin talk is out of control. You can have it any way you want if you can convince enough people to believe your lies, it seems.
  
  If we want our country back, we must bring back the Constitution and adhere to it.
brokencrystal, on 05/18/2008, -1/+4Ron Paul 2008! http://ronpaul2008.com/
- cwabray, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1http://baldwin2008.com
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