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- understudy, on 10/10/2007, -5/+78'The act, signed in 2005 as part of an emergency military spending and tsunami relief bill . . ."
This clearly shows that they had to sneak it through. I bet most of those voting for the bill never even knew it was there (because they didn't read it).
The Act does virtually nothing to stop terrorism. As one example—you'll be required to show the Federal ID to enter a federal building. How is that going to stop someone from blowing their truck up outside the front door? As a second example—you'll be required to show the Federal ID to open a bank account. Do you really think that Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda bank at your local bank? Or is it more likely that they funnel money through various channels? As a third example—you will be required to show the Federal ID to board a plane. We've got Air Marshals, steel cockpit doors, and baggage screenings galore. It's safer to fly than be outside in a thunderstorm.
The REAL secret of REAL ID is the REAL loss of liberty.
Repeal The REAL ID Act. Kudos to those states that have already done so.
_ - Skip742, on 10/21/2007, -6/+30Great. More big government conservatism. That's what I voted for, yep. When do we get the in-home cameras installed? I feel so endangered when the government isn't watching me.
- gnilrets, on 10/10/2007, -1/+20While the Real ID act is obviously bad news, it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside to hear that half of the states have passed legislation opposing the act! Brilliant example of why we need more state sovereignty.
- Skip742, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18I guess somehow you figure you must be conservative because you like big government, huh? So, then anyone who thinks you're a nutcase must automatically be a liberal? Yep, that's gotta be true. Cuz we all know how much the left likes small government. You make a lot of sense.
- gnilrets, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16Yeah, I'm hoping that enough people will recognize that as the blatant violation of the constitution that it is.
- neozeed, on 10/10/2007, -9/+22I bet the illegals will be exempt, as they always seem to skim on by these kinds of things. Sometimes I get the idea that the law is only for those who bother paying attention to it...
- andshewas, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13Yeah, I agree that it's awesome to see certain states standing up for their residents, but did you happen to catch the last part of the article?
"Chertoff said there would be repercussions for states choosing not to comply."
"This is not a mandate," Chertoff said. "A state doesn't have to do this, but if the state doesn't have -- at the end of the day, at the end of the deadline -- Real ID-compliant licenses then the state cannot expect that those licenses will be accepted for federal purposes."
Sounds like the rebel states will be landlocked. What a bunch of ***** from the lovely federal government. - TruthforAll, on 10/10/2007, -4/+16And before someone even posts "if you aren't doing anything wrong, why should you care??" I have one question for you. Do you have curtains?
- schroeder, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13Social Security numbers never should have been used as a form of identification beyond certain federal uses. So I take issue with that. But loss of privacy in some areas is not an excuse to lose more. Besides all IDs can be faked eventually so this will fail as a secure ID and give more info to people who engage in identity theft. "The databases will provide a one-stop shop for identity thieves, adds the ACLU on its Web site, and the U.S. "surveillance society" and private sector will have access to the system "for the routine tracking, monitoring and regulation of individuals' movements and activities." And all these centralized databases are open to abuse because since when has the government had any idea how to secure information on computers?
- TruthforAll, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14I love the argument that "if you're not doing anything wrong, why would you care?" Do you have curtains?? Here is more evidence that our privacy is slipping away. Students can have RFID chips installed in their phones - so they can "pay for school lunch from their phones" instead of having to bother with pesky things like money and credit cards.. http://digg.com/tech_news/eSchool_News_New_way_to_make_school_purchases_RFID
- inactive, on 10/21/2007, -5/+16Do you have the mark of the beast? No? You are a terrorist!
- rarson, on 10/10/2007, -5/+16Another example of bad legislation creating a market for illegal products. I suspect fake federal IDs will be pretty popular.
- SilverStandard, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14Okay, Chertoff. We'll think about a National ID card once you close the borders.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11I'm a debt collector. I search the databases for people everyday. Frankly, it makes my job easier, but it scares the hell out of me at the same time. My info is out there floating around too. That said, I don't need to be able to look up your grandmother's credit report to do business with you. I don't need to see your papers. The government has overstepped its bounds quite a bit under President Bush. I shudder to think of what will happen under a democrat.
- nosecohn, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Are you joking? That's the strangest argument for Real ID that I've ever heard. Protection from financial fraud? By the seller?!
So, every time you go into a store to buy something, you're going to ask the clerk to show you her Real ID before you plunk down your credit card? And when a plumber comes to your house, you're going to ask him to prove who he is before you write the check?
I honestly don't get your argument at all. But even if there is an issue here that I'm not seeing, the Real ID system seems like a sledgehammer solution to a thumbtack problem. - farther, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Allowing people to move freely without "proper documentation" is dangerous to established regimes, as dissidents (peaceful or otherwise) can mobilize without hindrance to protest government policy. Restricting movement is ultimately dangerous to the proper exercise of democracy and of liberty, for it inhibits the right to reasoned expression through principled protest.
- bg2500, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10I do not know if there is malicious intent behind this program. It is more likely incompetent people doing something just so they can say they are doing something. However, the system is ripe for abuse as pointed out. Also, how are we really free if everything we do is monitored and can be used against us?
- nosecohn, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9This is just wrong on so many levels. Obviously, it's an unfunded mandate, but beyond that, the reasoning doesn't make sense.
FTA: ""It is simply unreasonable to expect our border inspectors to be able to detect forgeries on documents that range from baptismal certificates from small towns in Texas to cards that purport to reflect citizenship privileges in a province somewhere in Canada," he said."
Classic misdirection. The simple answer to the border officer problem is to the reduce the types of documents allowed to enter the US. Didn't they recently do that anyway, so now you have to have a passport? Problem solved. The national ID card, to be used for all "federal" purposes, has nothing to do with border security. And has anyone been able to show that a single terrorist who has entered the US would have been prevented from doing so by the Real ID program?
Don't be fooled people. This act will do more to REDUCE your liberties than any of the terrorist attacks it purports to prevent. - technonoob, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9In Soviet Russia we do not have to show papers for travel.
Papers Please! ....I'm sorry your papers are not in order... You will be SHOT! - farther, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9I'm not a fundamentalist, but I'm certain anyone secular or not who has read that part of the Bible is ***** themselves. Though I attempt to look at all religions and religious texts with rational and critical view, Revelation 13:16-17, which states "[The Beast] also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name" is rather interesting, given the circumstances and advances in technology. Though this part of the bible was written by an author whom scholars agree is among the most inaccurate, the mere existence of such a prophecy in days like this, where we will eventually be required to have an RFID chip implanted in order to carry on commerce (hopefully not in my lifetime), is somewhat unnerving, even to the most rational.
- norcal311, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12I'll go to prison before I sell out to this *****.
- duke1776, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Right On. Remember also that when the Hebrew term for the "beast" was used in the Torah, it referred to a government or a government official.
- j.carcinogen, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Private companies and the government are not the same. I am not a liberal by the way, I am a true conservative. It is unfair if only citizens have to carry an ID (or papers) when illegal aliens for example will not have to. The government is their to protect our privacy, if a corporation violates one's privacy one can use the government to enforce laws that they made to protect one's privacy.
Explained much more eloquently by Dr Paul on MSNBC:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mb7aiM9K9Q - pandira, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7sorry, State sovereignty died at Appomattox. Lee was quoted as saying that if he had known the resulting federal control, he never would have surrendered.
- pandira, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7I must show my papers and prove that I am who I say I am in order to enter a National Park? Give me a break. This is nothing short of Tyranny and another stepping stone to a complete surveillance society.
Welcome to 1984 (everybody loves Big Brother) - gnilrets, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7If you feel that you have a basic right to know who the people are who grant you credit, then you should find out before asking them for credit. Your argument has nothing to do with the Real ID system, which would only attempt to ensure that the government knows who/where its citizen are, and that's the exact antithesis to the foundations of our constitution.
- pandira, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7It wasn't so much a "prophecy" as a plan....
- iDragonFly, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7With the ID, one can be 'shut off' electronically.
How do you make purchases or get a loan once you are 'shut off'?
How do you fuel your vehicle in order to get to your job which is most likely now in jeopardy?
How do you pay for that phone and internet bill so that you can expedite your contact with the powers-that-be in order to resolve your situation?
You can be sure that there will be many victims of the deaded 'glitch' as well.
Then there's the abuses that can be used through the system against those who do not play ball with the power elites.
I have no doubt that this has been very well thought out by those who are pushing for it.
However, the rest of us have a lot of catching up to do; we need to fight this until the whole issue is viewed in broad daylight. - pandira, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Yeah, it's like a drivers license, except it's an existence license. If you don't have the license, you might end up in a non-existence limbo in Guantanamo Bay. (everybody had better love Big Brother)
- tremor_tj, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6"Chertoff said the Real ID program is essential to national security because there are presently 8,000 types of identification accepted to enter the United States."
What does that have to do with a national ID? If you leave the country, you're going to have a passport. Use the passport to get back in. If you're coming from a different country for a visit or something, you wouldn't have a US issued national ID ANYWAY.
How is this in any way going to help prevent terrorism? All it does is establish a firmer grip of the national government over the rights of the states, just like the withholding of national highway money did when they wanted to raise the drinking age to 21. - RevMark, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6These idiots can't even process a million or two passports for the January 1, 2008 deadline. In case you did not know the Feds will require you to have a passport to cross back and forth thru the ground border checkpoints between the US and Canada and a few other countries.
How do hey plan to handle a couple hundred MILLION FEDIDs? Nazi's.
PS I am a Conservative Christian Minister. - gnilrets, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7If there is no kind of tracking, what good is it to the federal government then (for stopping "terrorists")?
- Napoleone, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6A National ID to enter federal parks? How many terrorists are attacking nature? This is simply meant to cause so much inconvenience to the common citizen that he or she will have no choice but to acquiesce to the unconstitutional demands of this increasingly authoritarian government.
Do not submit to this madness. These people are enemies of the Constitution. They are not out to protect us. It is not a joke. It is not paranoia. If you are a student of history, you understand that hunger for power, the desire to control others and the potential to oppress, they always persist. The danger to individual freedom can be restrained but it will never go away. There is nothing that says our way of life must and will last forever. Our Rights are not a given; they were fought for at great sacrifice and need to be relentlessly guarded.
Whether you are a partisan or an independent, put your biases aside and the study the matter at hand. Our constitutional government is failing. We are surrendering freedom to fear. I'm quite certain that this post leaves a traceable signature of some sort. If my worst of fears came to fruition, and those in charge are indeed conspiring against the principles of this country and of its people, I am in deep trouble. But I will call it as I see it: George W. Bush is a traitor to the Constitution and has repeatedly and egregiously violated his oath of office.
If you believe it, digg it. Be Spartacus. - moxley, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I totally agree with you, except for one point....Elections. Elections are only viable at the local level, above that they are compeltely compromised. At the presidential level they are so compromised in so many ways now, and I am only referring to the outright illegal corruption, but aside from that, even the processes within the election laws/codes themselves are a form of institutionalized corruption. Do you know what it takes to be a third party candidate? It's near impossible, they have made it impossible for a regular person, (even someone who does fairly well financially) to run for president.
Our country is corrupted. Our media is corrupted. The general masses are dumbed down by a deliberately failing education system, thats only purpose is to create more cogs for the machine. I do want to see this stopped. Hopefully not by offensive means, but if this administration (and trust me, the ones before it weren't as great as we'd like to believe..the last halfway decent administrations were Eisenhower and Kennedy, and they weren't perfect.... eveything that has happened in the past 7 years, Including 9/11 was no accident and was not happenstance - this stuff has been in the works for over 30 years) continues much longer we're going to be under martial law....We've already lost the republic. Habeus Corpus is gone, the insurrection act and posse comitatus are gone and the bill of righs is subverted....If you know this, then you knoe our media is compromised, because in the days of Murrow this NEVER could have happened without the media being all up in it. We have to get our republic back and fix the things the allowed this to happen.
I hate to say it too, but the question you are asking about imperialism is lost on about 60% of the US population. They don't even know what it means, and they think they don't care. Here on Digg people are generally more educated, but not all. - pandira, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5spoken by someone completely unfamiliar with history and absolutely no vision for the future. If I haven't hurt anyone, why should I have to answer to anyone for anything. That's fundamental freedom.
"No one is saying you should be forced to produce it for everything, or that police can walk up to you on the street and ask to "see your papers". You are already required to show ID for lots of stuff you do,"
a little contradiction in logic? Haven't you noticed that local authorities are already making everyone produce their papers, and charged with resisting arrest when they refuse? Again, a national ID is a license to exist. You don't see a problem with this? What in the hell happened to the average American that they don't understand basic principles of freedom....oh, I forgot, they've been educated in government schools. - moxley, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Maybe this is a way out of delaing with the feds all together. I am all for succession. He says the following:
"This is not a mandate," Chertoff said. "A state doesn't have to do this, but if the state doesn't have -- at the end of the day, at the end of the deadline -- Real ID-compliant licenses then the state cannot expect that those licenses will be accepted for federal purposes."
I say the following: "Good, because then I can tell the feds to shove their "federal purposes" up their federal asses. I will keep my money instead of giving it to the criminal and unconstitutional "Internal Rapeme Service" and the state I live in (because NH is looking mighty good these days) can become sovereign..... - snotrokit, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7January of 2009 cannot come fast enough
- kimb00, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5"The government has overstepped its bounds quite a bit under President Bush. I shudder to think of what will happen under a democrat."
Wait... So you're saying that the current gov't is doing everything wrong... But you're still convinced that the other guys will be worse...? - pandira, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6people need to come to the understanding that both parties are party to the problem. The real Democratic Party was destroyed in the War Between the States. We have lived under a single party system since that time.
- MacEnvy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5If we had known what the South would end up becoming, we would never have offered surrender as an option.
It's somewhat ironic that the very region who was so against federal interference in 1860 is also the region that gave us the president who is doing the interfering in 2007. - RevMark, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5deine Papiere, bitte.
Ваши документы, пожалуйста - soxxfan, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6I would have thought after the Patriot Act people would have seen how dangerous these "anti-terrorist" policies are to personal liberty. Do policymakers really believe that the people are in favour of these measures? People need to start making their voice heard to politicians in their ivory towers.
FTA... "For terrorists, travel documents are like weapons" er, can you elaborate please??? Is it like when Jason Bourne beats the life out of a guy with a book? - ploop, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5I would have no problem dropping my hard-earned money on a bet that this is backed with malicious intent.
- EnglishVoodoo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4New passports are now RFID-chipped just like the felonious Real IDs. If they can't ***** you one way, they'll turn you over and ***** you the other.
- kaffein, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5So you're ***** either way...
New passports already have the same RFID chip that the Real ID cards will have. - andshewas, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4No.
- breckinshire, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Okay, Michael Chertoff, you can take off the mask. Scooby and gang figured out your scheme. Yeah, yeah, you would have gotten away with it if weren't for those meddling kids.
- FleetAdmiral, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5illegal aliens march and demonstrate and they aren't rounded up and deported?! an ID card has nothing to do with illegals as it's claimed to be the solution to. It's yet another way to be tracked and monitored, Big Brother, Corporate America, anyone who wants to. Soon, it'll be people hiding just so they aren't spied on.
PLUS I love how the "National ID" will be required at National Parks...Living near Niagara Falls, if I have friends or relatives visit from out of town, I have to show my ID and their ID or passport to take them to a "natural wonder"?! Awesome.
And another thing, how many people are living on minimum wage? The "longhorn state" said that they'd be charging people $100 for this ID card. Most people I know won't be able to afford it. So they'll do without it. Meaning they can't open a bank account to cash a paycheck, or even go into the federal court building when summoned. IF it is to be "mandatory" then it should be FREE at the vary least. I didn't pay for my Social Security Card/Number, why would I pay for what is replacing it? - bemenaker, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Not even then. Wtf
- UnstableMind, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3From Wikipedia:
"In addition, the federal Social Security Administration, (42 U.S.C. § 666(28)), requires the States to maintain a new hire directory. Employers would no longer be able to accept, or ultimately hire, bearers of non-compliant documents for employment."
"Also, financial institutions are required to assist the Federal Parent Locator Service, ((42 U.S.C. § 666(17)). Financial institutions would require compliant documents from all customers. Bearers of non-compliant documents would be denied financial or banking services."
^^^ That ***** sucks major ass!
You could almost say that the "communist" China and Soviet/Russia have more freedoms than we do after this. -
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