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- Anpheus, on 10/12/2007, -12/+49"A philosophy or system of government that is marked by stringent social and economic control, a strong, centralized government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of belligerent nationalism." (From The American Heritage Dictionary)
"An extreme form of nationalism that played on fears of communism and rejected individual freedom, liberal individualism, democracy, and limitations on the state."
"a totalitarian political system led by a single dictator who allows no opposition, promoting an aggressive nationalism and often racism."
See: The way a fear-driven US populace is headed. - masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -19/+55Hooray. So the war on terror (i.e., a war against an abstract concept/word) is now the 'we-are-morally-superior-and-must-enforce-our-ways-on-you' fascism VS. Islamic fascism.
- Yez70, on 10/12/2007, -18/+49Funny how they can call it Islamic Fascism, yet they seem to be employing fascist methods in their own transformation of American society.
It seems more like we're being forced into fascism by the GOP. - Firemeboy, on 10/12/2007, -7/+32Both sides use buzz words because Americans, for the most part, don't bother to do the research to truly educate themselves. So political parties have to resort to sound bites, buzz words, and celebrity endorsements to get their point across.
Hey, Britney Spears is voting for X, that's good enough for me... - llbbl, on 10/12/2007, -13/+364wheel they so own you with their spin and terror alerts you dont know what to think. Fact of the matter is Bush is the worst president in the past 100 years if not ever. Only president with a lower approval rating, Nixon, resigned. I don't think he is the only one guilty for the crimes that have been committed, Cheney, Rumsfield, Rove and Wolfowitz all greatly influenced our foriegn policy these past 5 years.
- catoutfit, on 10/12/2007, -10/+32I think fascism falls into Godwin's Law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law - llbbl, on 10/12/2007, -22/+43The republicans are more Facist than Iran is. This phrase comes to mind when reading this. "I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you." So basically the repbulcians have resorted to childish name calling to justify their actions.
- 13tongimp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Pawns
- spinchange, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14I think this definitely originated with Sen. Rick Santorum R-PA. Ultra-conservative radio host and author, Michael Savage has been throwing around this phrase for a while...I found it funny that they didn't mention him directly by name. Dugg!
- Wamzlee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13President Bush called them "cowards" originally.
- LAhazmat, on 10/12/2007, -11/+21I served in the military and have seen the horror with my own eyes.
We need to stop being the "World Police" and start working closer with our allies in dealing with out of control nations. The Senior Bush used this method and it worked in our favor.
I certainly don't want my son going to fight for cheap gasoline or to try to exterminate the Muslims. The real Muslims I met were friendly and helped us every chance they could.
Gore for President. < ---- A vet. that served our country well!
- benjihad, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I hate to join the pissing match here, but i'd like to mention that the actions of the current administration are not at all in line with what "conservatism" promotes. The current administration shares very little with traditional republican values, other than being largely opposed to the "big 3" hot button issues (abortion, gays, and social programs) - which are not real issues anyway.
The republican party has been hijacked in a sense.
read for more info:
http://www.mypartytoo.com/ - zacmccormick, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I can't believe there's people posting on here who can't tell the difference between the Good of the USA and the Bad of Radical Islam. I'm speaking to all of you when I say: ***** off you spineless uninformed foreigner.
Nothing short of mind boggling. Good thing diggers don't leave their caves! - ernkush, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13AGAIN god damn it! Diggers are digging people down simply based on their opinions. That is not only unfair, but it is simply biased and ruins other people's experience as well as the free atmosphere of Digg. What gives you the right to digg others down based on their opinions? I find it ironic that although people are debating fascism, they are at the same time practicing a major component of it.
- BloodJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16Kettle? Pot here. You're fascist.
- humanaut, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9classical freudian projection or cynical political misdirection by the GOP? well, why can't it be both? everything else they do is a blend of cunning politics and psychotic insanity.
- aaroncampos, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I'm sorry but no, it's not "nuff said." Habitually signing off an argument with the knee-jerk reaction of, "oh yeah, well the U.S. is just as bad, if not worse" is simply an excuse to not think the situation through completely, with the hope that people will mistake your tired cynicism for intelligence.
The U.S. is not a fascist nation. The president is not a dictator, and those who oppose him will have a chance very soon to vote in someone else. Here's the thing though, the democrats will need to agree on, and articulate, a coherent POSITION and PLAN for how to move forward against the real threats that do exist in the world. It is not enough to simply criticize every action of the administration without offering a viable alternative. And, just saying you'd do it "better" or "smarter" or "with our allies" is not a plan, it's just an expression of hubris.
I do think that 'fascist' is an appropriate word for what we're fighting, with one correction: the Jihadists are not led by a single dictator, they are led by an ideology. This is an ideology that seeks to impose, eventually, Sharia law on every nation in the globe. I would love to be wrong about that but look at what's happening in Thailand, Chechnya, and India. The Thai Buddhists, Chechens, and Kashmiri Indians aren't Zionists. They're not lapdogs for Blush/Blair/Haliburton. They just don't believe the same things the Jihadists believe and are being slaughtered for it. Is that not fascism?
So, I think the question for opposing parties in the U.S. is this:
* How do you effectively deal with an ideology that seeks to impose its vision of the world upon all unbelievers with no regard for life on either side? How do you deter? How do you negotiate?
Personally, I happen to believe that there is no purely political solution. It is a spiritual problem and whatever political solution arises will be the result of the people of the world deciding that brotherhood and charity are more important than creed or belief. - fsjonsey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6If you want to see what an Islamic theocracy does to its own people, i suggest you take a look at these links. The video is from the BBC, and has been approved by groups like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International. The wikipedia link describes the situation behind the video, and explains what was done to this girl by Iran's Morality police. if this doesn't fit the description of fascism, than i don't know what planet you people are living on. someone please show me how the US does anything like this to it's citizens.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tHqnSe3EqpA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ateqeh_Rajabi - jerr0328, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12@zac:
Ok, I'm against both the Islamic Fascists and the Bush Administration. But in all honesty, on the political spectra, Bush's overall status (republican/conservative) is on the right, where Fascism stands on the extreme right. In the centre you have the centrists, or moderates. Then on the left you have the democrats/liberals. On the extreme left you have communism. If you don't believe me, look it up or ask someone who is educated in this field. The point is is that the GOP is making Fascism the new buzz word. That is like having an uber-liberal say they are on a war against communism. They are in essence attacking their more extreme political ideological allies. - DCMacHead, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@ PowerCow
You make a lot of assumptions regarding me just because I'm hostile towards Islamic teachings. I am not a religious person. In fact, I abhor organized religion because I believe it is more divisive than it is unifying, in my humble opinion. I let the Golden Rule suffice. - abqjudy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Fascism does not merely mean "bad guys"
See dictionary: fas‧cism [fash-iz-uhm]
1. ( sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
At this point neither US nor IRan is fascist. However the second definition:
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism
implicate both. And the US should not be supporting a president who believes that he has rights not ever given to president in our history to ignore laws of any sort as he does, we sould not be sliding toward suppressing opposition and criticism as it is; we should not be fostering aggressive nationalism and racism and we are; we should not be supporting an alliance between government and corporatations that is looking more and more like to the organization of governments under fascism, and finally we should not be about to engage in another preemptive war, which we are.
Name calling doesn't help, but thinking and learning might. - Enkid, on 10/12/2007, -14/+19If you can't see the difference between what was just posted, between Iran and the US, then frankly you have your head to far up your ass to see anything. Trust me, I am no fan of the president, and I agree that there is some Fascist tendencies in him, but this does not mean that the entire US is a Fascism. According to transparency international, the US is one of the least corrupt nations on the planet (17th best, with countries like France, Japan, and the entire middle east below us). We in the US feel completely and totally free to criticize the president, something that no person in any fascism feel to do. Try going to Iran and bad mouthing its president, see what happens after that. I'm not saying that the President's actions are good, all I'm saying is that you can't say that the US is more like a fascism then Iran simply because we have one bad leader who will be out in like 3 years.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9I thought it said that "Fascism is a new buzz word about GOP." That made some sense.
- onwardknave, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10This is clearly a war of words. The Republicans have been able to corner the public meaning of such words as "liberal," of "family values," and catch-phrases like "cut and run."
The internet has been abuzz recently with anti-Bush sentiment, some of which includes references to Nazis, some calling Bush a fascist. Bush's own use of the phrase "Islamic fascism" is nothing more than a pre-emptive "Dibs!" call on the word fascism, so that it can't be used as effectively against his own administration. - DarknessGP, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8@catoutfit not quite...
The definition, from dictionary.com, for fascism is "–noun
1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3. (initial capital letter) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43."
It is basically another term for Nazism, because it's definition is so specific and so similar to Nazism. - SwordofKahless, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Godwin's Law is to be used where there is no justification for references to Nazism. If a moderator were to use it here much of this thread would be removed due to referring to Bush and the US as a Nazi or facist like state.
It seems my fellow Americans have left Digg and all we are left with Islamic facist regime-Ahmadinejad supporters. Calling it like it is. - wibblewibble, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall at the Nuremberg Trials after WWII - DCMacHead, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Best post of the day! I call you a friend!
- zacmccormick, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6We are talking about radical Islam that believe in a holy war against godless infidels, and that is a with-us-or-against-us scenario, as it boils down to whether you think innocent men, women and children of the West should be removed from Earth, do you not see that? Islam religion is wonderful, but as any real muslim will tell you, this is hardly Islam, it's a belief in genocide and hatred with the holy book as a crutch for a half-baked justification.
- KCtheKat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Do you ever think that maybe the Muslims living in America came here to escape the Fascists Extremist?
- transfire, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12The Pot Calling The Kettle Black
- goodoldharris, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Fascism - left or right?
Fascism can exist on the left or the right. It's main characteristic is the supremacy of the state (the government) over the individual. In other words, it is anti-freedom (including free speech and freedom of assembly), anti-individualism, and anti-constitutional democracy (i.e. no limits on government power over the individual).
The typical example of a Fascist state is Nazi Germany - where people were frequently imprisoned for speaking out against the government, and there was a system in place for citizens to "rat out" on neighbors who didn't support the Nazi party.
Is the US a fascist country? No way.
Are there a high number of people on the right who are extremely nationalistic and militaristic, and who are actively working to weaken the Constitution, eliminate the separation of church and state, and place stricter limits on free speech? Yes. Is the desire to impose your values and your way of life on others fascist? Yes. Are the neo-cons fascists? Yes. Are radical-Islamists fascists? Yes.
Fascism is ALWAYS a potential threat to any free society. Fascists always exist on the left and the right. But these days in the US, the threat comes from the right. - charge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4fascism is a buzzword for the dems when they compare bush to hitler tbh
- blackjack75, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7"We need to stop being the "World Police" and start working closer with our allies (...)"
Considering the remaining allies are a few unknown islands somewhere in the pacific, that would definitely a good place to work. - Duffy40, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4***** the Spanish civil war was just a way for both sides to test the war machines, both sides committed real atrocities, and both sides were pretty much the same in the end except for the name, any one who thinks Communists were morally superior to the Nazi's(Notice I said nazi's, not fascists) is sadly lacking the facts of History, probably the product of the American Public Schools.
And remember, when all of you start throwing the Nazi title around, it stood for national Socialists, and they were socialists, and if you want to hear where there strange ideas and pseudo scientific reasoning still exist, think progressive - tuna1, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11So what do we call these ***** who fly planes into buildings and walk into crowds of people with bombs strapped to their chests?
- DCMacHead, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@ tehbishop
I'm going to guess you weren't born (or weren't old enough to care) when Iran took hostages in 1979 under Jimmy Carter and he sat with his thumb up his ass hoping the problem would resolve itself through inaction.
Iran only released the hostages when Reagan was inaugurated because they were scared of what his response to their action would be. During the Iran/Iraq War from 1980-1988 (again, probably before you were born and/or cared) the U.S. aided Iraq with satellite imagery, conventional, chemical, and biological weapons (WMD). Supplying WMDs was one of America's worst blunders, but it happened and nobody talks about it. It was a "war by proxy" scenario, much like the recent Lebanese/Israeli conflict was. Fast forward to the end of the Gulf War and the U.N. said "disarm". They counted up everything, started destroying the WMDs, and were booted out before it destroyed all of them. Only a fool would take someone like Saddam Hussein at his word. - chrismok, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10Pot calling the kettle black. nuff said.
- Duffy40, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7All Nazis were fascist's, not all Fascist' were Nazis
If anyone here here ever bothered to take a look at Sharia Law, they would probably judge it pretty fascist in it's own right. That would of course take effort, which pretty much precludes Neo-Coms, they just say what their Kool-aid dispensers tell them to, secure in the knowlege that they are the best and brightest their nation has to offer.
(To clear up any confusion, I did not misspell Neo-Com, That would be akin to New Communists, you know, the only brand of Governence that has consistantly outscored fascist in the murder of their own citizens?)
All the people talking about "Fighting the American Fascists Bush" are kinda Humerous, cause again that would take effort(see above)
They and the mainstream will be dumbfounded for the 4th election in a row when they don't win the big prize in November. And they still won't know why.
All things being equal, if Islam wins the war, by logic they(Neo-Coms) would be the ones suffering most. BUT, every one else will probably be dead. So they can be Dhemma. I don't think that will happen, but hey sounds like a good plot for a novel.
Remember Tours - Bloodwine, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Wow, Digg seems to be hippie central. How many anti-Bush topics will be pushed on to the World and Business front-page by day's end? There is more to the World than Bush.
- pawchikapawpaw, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"As a list that would help one identify a nascent fascist state, this sucks. It's ahistorical in more than a few key respects, and reads tellingly as if the author totted up some trends he dislikes in modern America and then cobbled them into a list of characteristics of fascism. Some of the list points are more or less right, but others are bizarre inversions of the truth, several others are simply irrelevant, and most important of all, key aspects of fascism as historically practiced are flat-out missing from the list."
- Dan Hartung http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/25728#488812 - Duffy40, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11Yeah basically true
and you know, i love when people show their ass.
The US is a Fascist country, what a load of crap.
The US is so far ahead of most WESTERN countries in the area of individual rights that i can tell that most of these posters have never actually lived anywhere else, and i don't mean visited, i mean lived...
Do the Excise police check your home with electronic sensors for the number of TVs in the house checking to make sure your paying the Tax on each one?(most of western Europe)
Can the authorities come to your house and seize everything but the beds to pay an outstanding debt? (Federal republic of Germany)
Do they come every four years to inventory your possessions to ensure that you are paying the Taxes? (Federal republic of Germany)
Does the Education ministry tell you by the time your 15 whether or not you are going to College, trade school, or an apprenticeship program? (Federal Republic of Germany)
How much do you pay for your driving school, and do you have to have it, and can you be forced to repeat until the instructor says your ready to test?
Does the government collect the Tithe for your church and pay it to the the Church (Most of western Europe)
Do you have to pay for School for your children? (Japan, Korea, Mexico) and beyond the 8th grade is it so expensive that over half the kids don't go? (Not that it matters, a Korean kid with an 8th grade education is more prepared for college than most American High School Graduates, and probably better educated than most Liberal arts College graduates)
No one is going to come in the night and kill your family, except for your kids, who then sold into servitude for their masters, members of the Religion of Peace.(Saharan and Sub Saharan Africa)
Your daughters circumcised? (Pan Arabia)
Yourself and your children considered untouchable, fit only to handle waste, the dead etc all because of who your grandparents were? (India)
Elitist lazy good for nothing snobs, you don't now how good you have it, that is why it means nothing to you, and that is why if we lose it, it will be because of you. Because you don't believe any one will ever do that to you..,.
But someone is trying to destroy it - DCMacHead, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7First, I would like to genuinely thank you for your service to the U.S. I, and many other people, are thankful for people like yourself that wear the Uniform.
The U.N. method did not work well in the first case because the root cause, Saddam Hussein, stayed in power. There was all the legitimacy in the world to knock out Hussein in the early 1990s, but in the interest of holding the Coalition together the U.S. resorted to governing by the lowest common denominator and the problem festered. North Korea is another example of what happens when the world is governed by the lowest common denominator.
The Second Gulf War was never about cheap oil (but the first one was). It was about a post-9/11 response to a guy that the U.S. gave WMD to in the 1980s (to fight Iran) and fired on U.S./British planes on a daily basis. You can argue for days on end about whether yellow cake uranium came from Niger, but at the end of the day hundreds of tons of it were hauled out of Iraq after the U.S. invaded. The Second Gulf war unneccary war because if the U.S. dealt with the core issue the first time, it wouldn't have been necessary for a "do over".
I don't doubt that there are lots of nice Muslim people out there who want to live their lives freely, but the sad fact is they're not the ones I see on the news. If a plane, train, or automobile is blown up, flown into a building, or driven through a crowd of people, chances are a Muslim male age 17 to 40 did it. It's a shame that world cowers in the face of Islamic Fascism instead of dealing with it. - bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12The Murdoch Paper "The Australia" recently began declaring that it was INDEED as bush had stated "Islamo Fascism"
This was my written (and unpublished) response:
Encyclopedia.com:
FASCISM [fascism] , totalitarian philosophy of government that glorifies the state and nation and assigns to the state control over every aspect of national life .
Encarta:
Fascism, modern political ideology that seeks to regenerate the social, economic, and cultural life of a country by basing it on a heightened sense of national belonging or ethnic identity. Fascism rejects liberal ideas such as freedom and individual rights, and often presses for the destruction of elections, legislatures, and other elements of democracy. Despite the idealistic goals of fascism, attempts to build fascist societies have led to wars and persecutions that caused millions of deaths. As a result, fascism is strongly associated with right-wing fanaticism, racism, totalitarianism, and violence.
Wikipedia:
Fascism is a radical totalitarian political philosophy that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism.
World Book Encyclopedia:
Fascism allows industry to remain in private ownership, though under government control . Other important features of fascism include extreme patriotism, war-like policies, and persecution of minorities .
Benito Mussolini:
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and Corporate power."
Stephen Morris (Columnist for the Australian):
A revolutionary political mass movement or regime that aims to achieve national greatness by radically transforming political and social life with totalitarian rule and by a policy of imperial expansion.
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An incredibly subjective, though by no means inaccurate definition by Stephen Morris. He does a good job of "mythologising" fascism so as to make it appear different to anything we'll ever see from our own leaders.
Islam is *by definition* not fascism. Islam is an ideology, and as such is one is free to subscribe to it at their behest. The latest "fascists" from islam were British citizens - bored stupid kids with more in common with Martin Bryant than with Bin Laden. They're potential murderers, but fascists they most certainly are not.
Islam decries Capitalism and purports to spread the wealth amongst fellow Muslims in echos of Communism. The Islamic view is that all property belongs to Allah and that humans simply 'manage' this property. Islamic banks claim to charge no interest, in systems that resemble some forms of socialism. In practice the implementation doesn't differ much from capitalism itself, but differs dramatically from the key premises of fascism.
The Islamic system purports to not acknowledge religious Heirarchy (and political heirarchy in turn). Anyone who wants to study and learn the Quran can call themselves an Imam. This is why, in your words, "self appointed ratbags" prop themselves up as leaders. Again, this is a potentially anarchistic system, but contrary to anything related to Fascism.
And by Stephen Morris' own definition, Fascism aims to achieve "National Greatness". I don't know what "Nation" Bin Laden was looking to bring greatness to (and don't say the Nation of Islam because thats a Black American movement) I'm sure Bin Laden was out to prove *something* with his reprehensible acts, but Fascism it definitely wasn't.
So Islam, while it's not Fascism, has without a doubt been the pretence for much violence this century.
As with any war, the oppressed becomes the oppressor. A quote I found from the Quran states: " O My servants, I (Allah) have forbidden oppression for Myself and have made it forbidden amongst you, so do not oppress one another". Like the US post WW2, these people are so desperate to distance themselves from "oppressors" that they oppress anyone who appears to be nearing their definition of "oppressor".
Its simple hypocracy from all sides, and the 'moderates' are the ones who get stuck in the middle, being called "enemy sympathisers" for presenting a rational, objective point of view, and not siding with any extremists (both texan and middle eastern in origin).
Inflamatary articles like Stephen Morris' do little to diffuse the issue. They continue the black and white rhetoric of George Bush's Post 9/11 Address. The fact is, recognising that the 'Bush Administrations policies have become very reminiscent of fascism' doesn't make you a terrorist. It might make you an academic, but the hundreds of British, US and Middle Eastern lambs who agree are continually led to believe that if they are not with the US, they must by default be with the terrorists. There is a third option.
Is there currently fascism in this world? Yes - in the same form as fascism throughout history. A few arrogant, egotistical older men with agendas that differ from those publically presented, manipulating/duping others through the pliable mainstream media into enacting their wishes. This is from all sides, with us "citizens" thrown in the middle to debate it. - leehodge, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"Fascism is new buzz word among GOP"
Fascism is an old buzz word among the Democrat party - leehodge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@scinortcele
"I believe it was Prescott Bush (gramps) who dealt with Hitler."
Not true - Prescott Bush never dealt with Hitler
Prescott Bush was director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany. He had no direct connection to Hitler or the Nazi government. This is more Moonbat mythology
"Exploited some cheap labor at some factory. At Auschwitz, I believe the name was. Very cheap labor."
That is not true. The Moonbats are pulling "facts" out of there anuses again.
"Those damn fascists"
fascist - the new buzzword among Moonbats
"And it was the pinko-commies that were fighting fascism during the Spanish Civil War, right? "
It was the Republicans of the Second Spanish Republic (supported by the Soviet Union) that fought (and lost) against Franco who was supported by Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy
"The republican party does not have a great history with fighting fascism"
Totally unsupported Moonbat nonsense - goodoldharris, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7zacmccormick:
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"Why do people have such a problem believing they are right, and someone else is wrong?"
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Governments like to paint the world in good and evil. It helps them get public support for actions the public would never support otherwise. In this case, they've taken the actions of a handful of mass-murderers, and turned it into an excuse wage a war for the resources of the Middle East. If there were no oil there, the US government would pay about as much attention to it as it pays to central Africa.
It seems you haven't noticed that (1) politicians and governments have a clear history of lying to the public, (2) the government says Bin Laden is responsible for 9/11, but is hardly trying to find him and hardly ever mentions him, (3) the government went to war in Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11, (4) before the Iraq invasion the government said Iraq did have something to do with 9/11, but now it denies ever saying that, (5) when Bush or Cheney are asked about the Iraq war, they always responds by bringing up 9/11 and saying something like "the war came to our shores", (6) hundreds of billions of dollars are at stake in connection with oil and the Iraq war, yet the fact is never mentioned by anyone in the administration, (7) hype sells, so most of the news is hype, (8) people are people.
Your politicians are not telling you the truth. They are manipulating you and public opinion to get support for various long-term agendas. It's not that the agendas are secret or hidden, but they are rarely mentioned or discussed directly. And I know statements like "people are people" may seem silly, but I think the image now held by some Americans of millions of "terrorists" that are out to destroy America is straight out of a government-created cartoon.
Nobody has sympathy for mass-murderers. But some people can distinguish between mass-murderers and the rest of the Muslim population, which is the vast vast majority. You apparently can't. And I have no problem saying that I am right and you are wrong. - DCMacHead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ fredrated
Wrong. They were held alive because the Iranian government wanted to make the U.S. look bad. The Iranians waited and waited and waited and waited for Jimmy Carter to do something. That day never came. They came out alive because they feared what Reagan might do once he was inaugurated. - Koosebane, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Oh sure.
In America, the police smash satellite dishes to end outside influence.
In America, all dissent against authority is met with imprisonment or execution.
In America, everyone is forced to attend state approved religious services and pray at state approved times or pay ransom to stay alive.
In America, homosexuals are executed.
In America, rape victims are stoned to death.
In America, women are treated as property.
In America, death threats and racism permeate our entertainment.
In America we strive for the extermination of entire races of human beings.
Anyone calling America a "Facist State" is just as guilty as anyone of spreading FEAR against opposing viewpoints.
If anyone would like to suggest what to call our radical Islamic aggressors, please.....let us all know what you'd prefer to call them.
Because, in reality, there is NO comparison between their oppressive lifestyle and our reletive freedom to go and say what we want that can't be torn to shreds by anyone with the intelligence needed to take notice of their surroundings. - TacitusBen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Wow. The people who insist we all know English can't see why using fascism could be incongruent? Can anyone see the elephant in the room?
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