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- THETEH, on 04/11/2009, -29/+243Where were these conservative tea partiers when Bush was spending us in to a financial crisis? I find it interesting that the GOP sat idly by while Bush was negligent and irresponsible with the economy. Apparently the republicans are only in favor of fiscal responsibility when a Democrat is in office. If a republican is in office, anything goes.
- novenator, on 04/11/2009, -56/+235Since the Tea Parties have been aggressively organized by the same organizations that supported the Bush Agenda, it should come as no surprise that Fox News is pushing this.
The Communists had a word for this: Pravda. (In Soviet Russia, Fox hunts you!) - brucealmighty, on 04/11/2009, -43/+196Fox News = "Fairly Unbalanced"
- Maddoktor2, on 04/11/2009, -41/+138Fox news is the propaganda arm of the GOP, just like Pravda is for the KPSS.
No more, no less. - novenator, on 04/11/2009, -13/+108edstate, no YOU are wrong and unlike you, I will back up my claim.
Freedomworks and Progress for America have been the central organizers for the Tea Bag parties.
PROGRESS FOR AMERICA
PFA was established in 2001 to support George W. Bush's "agenda for America." The PFA Voter Fund, which was set up in 2004, raised $38 million in support of Bush's 2004 election bid
Progress for America, [is] a "friends of the party" organization "operated by Tony Feather, the former political director of the 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign and a close friend of White House political adviser Karl Rove,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progress_for_America
PFA pushed for privatized Social Security
Run by Dick Armey
In May 2005, PFA began running ads targeted at pressuring Republicans Senators into supporting a ban on Senate filibusters for judicial nominations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progress_for_America# ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progress_for_America# ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedomworks
Freedomworks' tactics have been described as "astroturfing," a controversial political tactic
Founded in 1984 as Citizens for a Sound Economy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_for_a_Sound_ ...
Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE) was a conservative political group operating in the United States, whose self-described mission was "to fight for less government, lower taxes, and less regulation
was founded "to anonymously leverage corporate contributions into debates on public policy." CSE had close ties to Koch Industries and became one of the major recipients of
grant money from conservative foundations and major corporations such as Exxon, Philip Morris
These 2 groups were HUGE Bush boosters and now they are running the Tea Parties. - MediaWeasel, on 04/11/2009, -33/+91Fox News wouldn;t know a real news story if it jumped and bit them in the throat. All they're capable of is running after half baked ideas and rumours and blowing them up into balloons of hot air.
I despair of people who still think Faux News is a news channel. It's a televisual comic with no jokes (apart from the presenters). - novenator, on 04/11/2009, -25/+83Wrong again edstate. This seems to be becoming a pattern.
First of all, this is NOT an 'upswelling' but rather astroturfing:
Astroturfing is...political, advertising, or public relations campaigns seeking to create the impression of being spontaneous "grassroots" behavior, hence the reference to the artificial grass, AstroTurf. The goal of such a campaign is to disguise the efforts of a political or commercial entity as an independent public reaction to some event (something the SOviet Union specialized in). Astroturfing is a form of propaganda whose techniques usually consist of a few people attempting to give the impression that mass numbers of enthusiasts advocate some specific cause.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing
I know the talking points claim fiscal responsibility is the key, but then why are the 2 groups who are centrally planning this (Freedomworks and Progress for America) the same ones that supported the failed neocons fiscal policies of the past? Freedomworks advocated lower taxes for the rich and less regulation, while Progress for America who pushed for putting Social Security into the stock market (which thank the laws of the universe did *not* get rammed through).
It is a false premise that they support sound economic policy and frankly, anyone that shows up at one of these Tea Bag Parties is just being used a tool by vengeful neocons. Oh, and one more thing, MSNBC did cover the Tea Bag Parties: http://tinyurl.com/c3yw36 - fmaxwell, on 04/11/2009, -10/+67No, edstate, you are wrong and novenator made that clear by citing actual facts -- something that you wing-nuts like about as much as vampires like holy water. If you want to have "a grown up conversation," then grow up: Start providing actual facts, figures, refutations, citations, etc. to back up your claims.
- inactive, on 04/12/2009, -18/+70Dialogue from one of these Tea Parties:
Woman: [Shouts] “Burn the books!” [applause]
Man: “I don’t think you were serious about that, were you?”
Woman: “I am too.”
Man: “Burn all the books?!”
Woman: “The ones in college, those, those brainwashing books.”
Man: “[laughs] Brainwashing books?”
Woman: “Yes.”
Man: “Which ones are those?”
Woman: “Like, the evolution crap, and, yeah…”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwdOwgD5OsY& - JohnAdams999, on 04/12/2009, -12/+62You won't hear any rational responses to that question. They will ignore it or their only response is "OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST!!!" without any logical thought behind it.
- novenator, on 04/11/2009, -9/+57You didn't back up ANY of your assertions with facts, once again. Just more unfounded ideas and attacks.
edstate you wrote, "how old are you? Do you have any sense?" in response to my first comment on the thread, then tell me to watch my tone? Further, I can see by your blathering and insults in the next reply that you are hypocrite. - ironhide, on 04/12/2009, -9/+57Your argument can be summed up like this....
theavenger2 = "I'm right, you're wrong and if you disagree with me, you're a liberal poopy-pants." - AmazingSteve, on 04/12/2009, -24/+71So while some try to present solutions, Republicans can only stand around in small clusters and teabag each other.
- novenator, on 04/11/2009, -4/+50150 million huh?
- ironhide, on 04/12/2009, -8/+48Thanks for reinforcing my point.
- KittySpark1es, on 04/12/2009, -12/+52I'm all about less spending and less taxes, but unfortunately if the Republicans were in power they would be spending a crap load like everyone else. It kinda makes a good idea lose all credibility because of the people who are supporting it.
- C0ntraRadical, on 04/12/2009, -4/+41So more people have attended these tea parties than voted in the last election, huh? Give me a break.
- colonelbuckshot, on 04/12/2009, -14/+50The Tea Party movement was started during the Bush administration by libertarians in protest at the policies of that administration. The only difference now is that Fox pundits such as Glenn Beck have noticed their popularity and have jumped on the bandwagon.
As for the idea that Fox News is biased for reporting them, I just wish people would forget the idea that any news organisation is unbiased. Throughout history they have all had political leanings. Fox News aren't unbiased, and neither are CNN, MSNBC and all the self-appointed "media watchdog" organisations like Media Matters, MEMRI, CAMERA, etc. - novenator, on 04/11/2009, -4/+39The burden of proof is on you to back up your wild accusation. But I can see from the rest of your comments that there is zero chance of this.
For instance, you said, "America's only News network [Fox] is just reporting on what the majority of Americans are doing. Over 150 Million American patriots attended the last tea parties"
http://digg.com/politics/Fair_and_balanced_Fox_New ... - seltaeb4, on 04/12/2009, -6/+40So, out of a nation of 300,000,000, half showed up for your little Republican Teabagger's Ball.
Hello Dave = Goodbye reality. - KevinDupuy, on 04/12/2009, -6/+40The actual conservative Republicans, as well as the Libertarian were trying to do these types of protests against Bush too, but there were two problems. One, the Democratic pundits didn't get behind these efforts as much as the Republicans are now. Two, Bush was doing much worse things than spending us all to death, like starting wars and torturing people. Since that's at least not gotten any worse under Obama, there's more attention being paid to this.
That being said, the fact that the neoconservatives are swooping in now makes me nervous, as a Ron Paul Republican, that they are trying to co-opt our movement to be one of their own. - Billions, on 04/12/2009, -14/+46Dear Fox: The real modern-day "Tea Party" occurred last November.
- r0g3r, on 04/12/2009, -7/+39Fox News is one of the worst of them all though, almost as if someone decided to make up for every instance of liberal media bias all in one go. It's a train wreck and truly unbelievable that it is taken seriously as a real source of news.
- novenator, on 04/12/2009, -5/+37This is AWESOME! The main speaker at the tea party planning session actually said that the DTV conversion is a giant conspiracy by Obama to brainwash us.
The burn the books part was even better. Burn the evolution crap? lol.
Everyone should watch that video, too funny. You can't make this ***** up. - sodade, on 04/12/2009, -8/+38@oatlord - where were your tea parties over the last eight years of ripping off the common taxpayer to pay for a mindblowingly stupid war? I don't like it because the the messengers have no ***** credibility left.
- Napzilla, on 04/12/2009, -13/+42Funny, I don't recall Fox encouraging people to get involved in the delegation meetings with federal legislators being coordinated by Amnesty International to request an investigation into the Bush administration's post-11 September detention policies. Maybe I don't watch Fox News enough...
It does make lobbying for media reform a bit easier. If ever there was a watertight case against a corporately-owned, commercially driven media, it would be Fox. - Travelsonic, on 04/12/2009, -6/+34"Typical liberal response, lol."
Typical retard response lol... attack one's political lean even when he/she has no idea what it is.
Reall smart, you seem like a reasonable person qualified for formal debate /s - freedomjoe, on 04/12/2009, -14/+42sorry, edstate, but you not only failed to back up your claims with facts, but you also proved yourself to be a pontificating Poujadist Propaganda tool of the highest order.
I hope they are paying you well, if not, what in the Hell are you doing with your life?
Your passion could be so well placed to work for justice and liberty, in REAL causes- not manufactured causes to benefit the rich and protest their taxes going up to numbers still under Reagan's taxes for the wealthy.
come on-- this isn't Wing Nut central, and no one else is buying this nonsense. That's why no one else is covering it. We are all too informed to buy the load of garbage the right (GOP/NeoCons) are selling. - novenator, on 04/12/2009, -8/+36RonPauls, it could be 10,000 rallies with 1 person at each, but if it was organized from the top down, it is not grassroots. That is the classic form of old Soviet-style astroturfing.
- LondonBridge, on 04/12/2009, -5/+32"Obama spent in his first month what Bush spent in 8 years"? Where did that little gem of deliberate misinformation come from...?
- Dauntless1, on 04/12/2009, -4/+31@theavenger2
"Throwing rocks" is all both sides of the issues seem to be doing these days, with America being the glass house we all live in. An independent thinker who doesn't fact check isn't thinking at all. He's just spouting the same unconfirmed ***** as the other guy, but he believes his lies are better because his came from people he trusts. Independent thinkers actually think, analyze and derive things from multiple sources. Also, they understand that even broken clocks are right twice a day, and therefor only fools dismiss everything someone says out of hand, regardless of their affiliation. I don't know you, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt in that you spoke hastily, because anyone who throws out someone's argument and then cites their friends as the reason can't call himself an "Independent thinker" without being a liar. Hopefully this has been food for thought. Good Day, sir. - pintomp3, on 04/12/2009, -11/+37All political protests should be covered my the press, though never promoted. Problem is most corporate media, especially FNC, tries to minimize coverage of things like anti-war protests. They even try to find the most extreme of the protesters in order to paint all protesters as anarchist, ruffians, and trouble-makers. For Fox News to all of a sudden decide not only to cover a protest but to promote after ignoring almost a decade of record spending and world-wide anti-war protests is hypocritical.
- paigeinphilly, on 04/12/2009, -6/+31looks like edstate got...owned.
- novenator, on 04/12/2009, -5/+28Sk, that chart is misleading on many levels. The budget for this year was inherited from Bush to the tone of $1.3 trillion, so it is not fair to put in Obama's hands. Also, note how Clinton left bush with a surplus during his first year in office. Second, it is completely unrealistic to project deficits to 2019 and blame it on the current administration. Further, there are discrepancies in the numbers contested all over the board. Finally, whoever designed the chart has a key insight into leading graphics. By making the CBO estimates in bright red, they are clearly directing the eye of the observer to a worst case scenario. This is called alarmism, and is not based in fact.
- Fr33th0t, on 04/12/2009, -6/+27mrfoos2! Even those making over $200k/yr are not being crippled by taxes--at least no more than they were during the Clinton years--the last time the budget actually could be projected to reach a surplus.
- Firstdaughter, on 04/12/2009, -32/+53
Faux Gnus - Fear for the Unbalanced... - NiftyG, on 04/12/2009, -19/+39They're all a bunch of teabaggers anyways... let them have their teabagging party.
- JigoroKano, on 04/12/2009, -2/+22HOLY ***** *****.
Front page this *****
http://digg.com/politics/Apparently_the_DTV_conver ... - unitedkronos, on 04/12/2009, -7/+27McCain would be doing the exact same thing and he would have stayed in Iraq for a hell of a lot longer than Obama plans to, Ron Paul would have done the exact same thing Obama has done by getting the best of the best together to sort this ***** out. This couldn't have been avoided, at least Obama is being sensible about it all.
- DudeInAustin, on 04/12/2009, -23/+42Sorry, but the government does plan to spend too much money and it has no realistic way to pay off what it plans to borrow. As a citizen who faces having his grade-school grandkids being saddled with massive debt, I support any efforts to curtail this insane spending.
- novenator, on 04/12/2009, -8/+26How would the government we elect pay the bills were it not for income tax? Abolishing it would bankrupt our nation in a matter of weeks.
- LondonBridge, on 04/12/2009, -1/+18You raised some good points. I don't necessarily agree with all of your points...Your take on the issue is one I hadn't considered. Thank you.
- JohnAdams999, on 04/12/2009, -5/+22This is how delusional these people really are.
- TubzyX, on 04/12/2009, -11/+28In soviet russia, fox news is fair and balanced!
wait a sec.. - novenator, on 04/12/2009, -7/+24Colonel, "The Tea Party movement was started during the Bush administration by libertarians"
I would really like some citations for this. Everything I researched indicated it was started with the infamous Santelli "rant" on CNBC - JohnAdams999, on 04/12/2009, -4/+21It's a left-wing conspiracy!!!
You people were bad under Clinton, but it'll be worse with Obama since he's black and has a funny name. - chrisvc86, on 04/12/2009, -3/+19LOL half the nation, yeah right. More chance of half the country watching american idol than going to some rally.
- Delphium226, on 04/12/2009, -4/+20@colonelbuckshot
You make good points - the problem comes when people are not aware that their news channel of choice is biased, when they think it is 'fair and balanced'. - Gguillorn, on 04/12/2009, -4/+19I seriously doubt you actually understand his tax policy. How much more do you think you will be paying? Do you know or are you just spouting off convenient catch phrases?
- joeditto, on 04/11/2009, -22/+3715 round bout between Noventer...Edstate
Quick result....K O by Noventer with 3 punches in the first round.
I put up $300 to win $100...it was a nobrainer....my bookie told me in the future he would not accept any bets placed on Noventer...it appears as though the bookie is Conservative. -
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