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FLASHBACK: Cheney Argued Energy Probe ‘Interfered With Executive Branch'

thinkprogress.org — (with VIDEO) -- The Office of the Vice President has asserted that Dick Cheney “is not an entity within the Executive Branch.” That’s quite opposite the argument Cheney made in 2001, when he said that a congressional probe into the workings of his energy task force “would unconstitutionally interfere with the functioning of the executive branch.”

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  • akyra, on 10/11/2007, -2/+23Hasn't the Vice President tried to assert Executive Privilege in trying to keep things secret before? If so this seems in contradiction to his new assertion that he is not a part of the Executive branch.

    The definition of Executive Privilege according to Wikipedia: "Executive Privilege is the power claimed by the President of the United States and other members of the executive branch to resist certain search warrants and other interventions by the legislative and judicial branches of government."
  • relaxeder, on 04/17/2009, -2/+21This is textbook *****. Its not even to be debated whether or not the Vice President's office operates under the Executive branch of government, we all learned that in civics class. It is beyond silly seeing people like Bill Kristol and the other Cheney apologists trying to spin this on television. If the Vice President claimed tomorrow that he was invisible and nobody could see him, there would still be people defending him.

    He's not going to have it both ways any longer -- I hope that the press keeps hammering on this and more support grows behind cutting his office's funding in the House until he submits to the law.
  • pwallroth, on 10/11/2007, -3/+21I think everyone on the planet hates Dick Cheney. I'm sure he even hates himself. He should be locked up in Guantanamo.
  • Battleloser, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10You're arguing law to people that don't give a ***** about it. Bush and friends decide as they go what laws apply to them and what don't.
  • zeebusboy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Dick Cheney doesn't need money from Congress - he and Bandar Bush have an 80 billion dollar slush fund:

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/6/26/21721/5156

    Also, note that last week Benjamin Netanyahu met secretly with Cheney AND Hillary Clinton. This was reported in Israel but not the United States. Search Google News for 'Cheney Netanyahu' for confirmation. Here is the Israeli article from June 19:

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1181813077576&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

    What does it all mean? Very, very bad ***** is about to go down. Brace yourselves.
  • sanman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Who Really Dominates the US and the World:

    http://www.augustreview.com/issues/globalization/the_global_elite%3a_who_are_they?_200511146/
  • juggadore, on 10/11/2007, -5/+13cheney saying he is not in the executive branch is like me saying humans are amphibians because they sometimes go swimming.
  • gheide, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6So I guess they make the rules up as they go along...
  • sathias, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Stuff Guantanamo. Rendition his ass over to a prison in Egypt and let him enjoy the international police state he is trying to create.
  • momlyd, on 10/11/2007, -8/+11My thirteen year old son was particularly pleased with the fingers of elimination. I must admit to a giggle there myself.
  • goldpress, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3We can only hope that the cut in funding will actually happen. I'm not holding my breath though.

    On a possibly related subject, does anyone know why I have the urge to watch Austin Powers movies whenever I'm reading about Cheney?
  • internetass, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3they better hurry up and figure out what the ***** hes up to if hes making outlandish boldfaced claims like this to buy himself some time
  • brishchik, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Yes, I'm sure that wasn't Cheney. After all Cheney and GWB have never been caught as outright liars and have always been proven to be more honest than God.
  • slashdotted, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4These documents were released from the Cheney Energy commission, pre-9/11. Look at the iraq map legend... Judicial Watch is a conservative site, and they ultimately stopped aggressively pursuing this case.. under pressure?, but these documents were released by the judge - no smoking gun here, but _very_ interesting source documents imho (what does "earmarked for production sharing" refer to?):
    http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_iraqi-oil-maps.shtml
  • liberalsmack, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5The question is, what won't we roll over for? So far everything they think of we let them do.
  • PhilLesh69, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3No, questioning the parts or players he supports is "hatred".

    Ridiculing and questioning government players and policies is as American as Mom and Apple pie, it is probably what has salvaged any vestige of freedom and liberty we are all so proud of.
  • jrstinkfish, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Questioning the government is "hatred"? Would you rather we just lie down and let them do whatever they want without protest? You're really not much of an American. Actually, judging by the fact that this has been going on for so long, you are more of an American than those who question authority.
  • warriorscot, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2The question isnt what is the Executive Privelage, but why do you have it in the first place modern democracy is pivotal on the fact that no man can be above the law of the people the Executive privelage goes firmly against that.
  • MaximumPig, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3if you watched the video you'd know what momlyd is referring to
  • fancypantscz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2If I understand you correctly, you judge the newsworthiness of information based on who or what source presents that information and not on the merits of the information itself. I think that the majority of us here know that if you trust any single news source to present the whole truth about what is happening in the world today you are in essence surrendering your personal liberties and allowing some editor or television executive to decide what you believe. However, to discount all information presented by any single source simply because all information presented by that source is of one particular political slant is in fact a greater surrender of personal liberties because you are allowing a political ideology determine what you believe to be true. I can not think of a more corrosive and abusive ideological institution on which to base your understanding of the world than politics.

    Now if you are already aware that you are too incompetent to judge for yourself the merits of a particular piece of information, I understand why you prejudge information based on its source. However, if you are capable of independent thought and able to construct an argument you could challenge the validity of the actual content presented by any new source. And I for one wish you would do that because we would all benefit from your unique addition to our knowledge pool. Unfortunately, as it stands, you are simply asking us to prejudge information in the same manner as you do and this amounts to a degradation of the level of debate in this community.

    If you are unable to construct an independent argument, stop clogging up the interwebtubes with your noise and go back to watching TV where you can easily insulate yourself from unwanted sources of information because your commentary here is making us all dumber.
  • idonthack, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3The FINGERS OF ELIMINATION, man!
  • brishchik, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Thanks for proving my point. The 2000 election was more farcical than the so called election in Iraq. But of course in your myopic view and knowledge truth doesn't matter as long as people like GWB/Cheney keep the 3Gs (God, Guns and Gays) mantra up and assure you everything is great and Jesus inspired him to invade another country, or nothing is wrong with 2000 election or everything is superb with medicare system.

    As I said, you deserve Cheney and GWB. And if 2000 election was all fine, that'd make you even a bigger idiot.
  • khfn, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Greg Palast's Armed Mad House (book) really speaks to the stolen election idea. It seems like he's one of the last true investigative journalists left. Yes, it seems like the elections were stolen by illegally caging voters and dumping millions of votes as "spoiled". There is also the case of hardly any overseas votes being counted.
  • AwakeningAZ, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3At least 1 in 10 Americans say he has done a good job. Collectively, they have very few teeth though...
  • khfn, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3What is the alternative to these "preconceived notions"? Cheney's side of the story? Anyone who believes that will probably believe anything.
  • inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5hillary will be worse, people have to realize both sides are controlled and that ron paul has to be elected. theyll kill him of course but it could spark the rebellion against the new world order. 9/11 was an inside job
  • insanebrain, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2you don't have to be here. . .if you don't like it. . go somewhere else.
  • PhilLesh69, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1In glynth's mind, "preconceived notions" are any facts or truths that do not coincide with his or Fox News's preconceived notions, or more directly, anything that doesn't directly support his political party's story line. He isn't even a patriotic person, he's just a party loyalist. I doubt he understands the difference, in fact I bet he believes his party loyalty makes him the biggest patriot.

    He probably doesn't understand that nationalism is a bad thing, he will problably never see the direct correlation between nationalism and nazism.

    he's a guy that never gets to go out, he works all day and then sits in front of Fox News all night.

    We might want to have pity on him, except that he and all his middle american trailer trash are going to ruin our nation.
  • PhilLesh69, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1***** man, you have to stop watching Fox News Channel.

    "Saddam Hussein was caught seeking Yellow Cake Uranium from Nigeria". "Iraq can launch WMD missiles in as little as 45 minutes". "Mohammed Atta met with Iraqi intelligence in the Chzeck Republic in 1999".

    Those are just the simple lies. Those are the simple lies that led us into war. If you really have any integrity, you'll get past all those lies, ignore them, and recognize the BIGGER lies. You've got an Attorney General who can't recall or simply refuses to answer anything before congress. You've got aides that are going to jail over exposing a CIA agent. You've got a vice president who is being supbeonaed by the senate because he refuses to have his official, taxpayer funded paperwork overviewed by the National Archives.

    This is the most dishonest administration I've ever voted for (only the first time), and I am at least intellectually honest enough to recognize that. You, glynth, are afraid to face reality. You cannot acknowledge the facts, because it must make you feel insecure.

    Face it. These guys lie, and they will keep lying to save their own asses.

    I don't hate anyone. Except Hillary, but when it comes to trashing Hillary, I'm at least honest enough to disclose that I hate that nasty bitch. When I criticize these losers, I can only admit that I hate dishonesty, deceit and a lack of integrity.
  • PhilLesh69, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1problem is, glynth, that you are so blinded by YOUR hatred that you are incapable of seeing each person and their arguments for what they are. You only see them as some "whole" group. You cannot differentiate between the few haters and the majority who have valid arguments.

    I can only assume that you also believe that all brown people either want to see you dead because of your freedom or want to invade your southern border. Homophobia aside, can I assure you that most brown people are just like you??? Nah, because you only see things in blocks, in black and white, in this or that, you are incapable of seeing the nuances of life.

    I feel sorry for you.
  • Glynth, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1You people truly are BLINDED from your own hatred BY your own hatred. You're not just "questioning the government." Look at the comments above. If you don't see it, you are hopeless. I know you are hate-mongers because you say HATEFUL things, not just "Well, what about X Y Z rational argument?" And then, due to said proven hatred, you accept any IRRATIONAL argument that comes your way that fits your preconceived hateful notions. You people are lost. I despite many of Bush's policies, but I do not hate the man. I can tell the difference. You apparently can't. It's not just sad for you, this is sad for all thinking Americans. I hope you don't have access to the minds of children.
  • khfn, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I say more Cheney stories. I say more 'any story that spotlights the foul stench from above', and for as long as needed.
  • withincontext, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Bloody ***** brilliant.
  • PhilLesh69, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2But of course, you all forget, when Cheney claimed executive privilege in regard to the secret energy meetings, that was pre-9/11 thinking. 9/11 changed everything!
  • brishchik, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2LMFAO. I can say with absolute certainty that you Americans deserve the DICK and the DUMB. Hell you guys elected them in 2004 even with bigger margin than in the stolen election of 2000. It's not their fault, rather it lies with the repeated and supreme level of stupidity shown by you. Shame on you if you fool me once, ..................................................., you know the rest.
  • morsosky, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3wtf?
  • Glynth, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1I suppose you're with Carter in "certifying" the elections of terrorist-run countries and dictatorships and say that the U.S.'s elections aren't certifiable? Clueless hate-monger. No real facts support your position, yet you hold it anyway. You are part of the brainless throng of anti-American bigots. Nothing new here. There are serious international studies about your ilk and why Europe and others, including many Leftist Americans, are so messed up.
  • Glynth, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1You've proven my point. You have no evidence that would be admissible in court, therefore he cannot be convicted of a crime. And you won't even listen to Cheney's side of the story, again proving my point. You people are hopeless.

    "After all Cheney and GWB have never been caught as outright liars"
    You are being sarcastic but technically you are correct insofaras revelant even-remotely-recent things go. The only outright "lies" you can find actually go toward things conservatives are upset about. The ones the Left harps on are proven to NOT be lies. Do you know what a lie even is? Look it up.
  • Glynth, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2Why do you insist on getting less than half the story by reading thinkprogress.org? Oh, that's right. The other half doesn't support your preconceived notions.
  • Glynth, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1Blah blah blah, stolen election cuz I said so, blah. There's zero proof of it, and you know it. Or you don't know it because you're delusional. Either way, you're wrong, and I don't say that "because I say so," I say it after reading report after report from every credible source on the subject, including Leftist groups that still have a modicum of intelligence and a slight sense of honesty.
  • Glynth, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1No smoking gun is right. Not only do those documents not prove anything sinister was going on, they don't prove much of anything except that we're intelligent enough to figure out where the energy supplies of foreign nations that are hostile to us are located.
  • Glynth, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1I think I've figured out why I can't get through to you guys. You think hating other people is okay. No wonder me telling you to stop being hate-mongers gets me dugg down. I don't hate Bush. I don't hate Clinton. I don't hate Gore. I am very strongly opposed to some of the policies of all of the above. I don't allow hatred to blind me, though. Many of you guys do and you're proud of it. Very sad indeed.
  • Glynth, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1You, sir, are an idiot. Stolen election my eye. Not that Bush is a good President, but you seriously haven't got a leg to stand on. Take your mindless hatred elsewhere.
  • Dufresne, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2A message to digg: STOP POSTING ABOUT CHENEY!

    No ***** he's lying but seeing a million stories about it isn't going to help
  • Glynth, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1He's creating a police state cuz I say he is! I have no proof but if I say it enough it must be true!

    I don't like the bush admin either, but you've just GOT to stop these ridiculous hate-based attacks. You look like a bunch of lunatics. In actuality, that's probably what you ARE, but that doesn't mean it's okay to act like it and spread your mental disease to others with your misinformation. Stop the hate.
  • m8ymerc1, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2I believe and agree that the office of the VP is part of the executive branch.
    However, nowhere does the VP state that the probe would affect him in any way. He states that it would affect the executive branch. That being said, dugg down as inaccurate.
  • hoveman, on 10/11/2007, -8/+3Seriously... enough with the Cheney stories. I don't like the guy at all, but this is getting stupid. Time for some slashdot, I guess.
  • inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2Bush: Hi Dick!
    Dick Cheney: Why you! How dare you call me a dick?
  • inactive, on 10/11/2007, -12/+1Awsome, 3 thinkprogress.org stories on the homepage alone.

    Can we please get a button to automatically bury anything from this ***** site? Oh, and anything from that site sure as hell doesn't belong under "news".

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