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- jimripper, on 10/12/2007, -1/+63Hopefully people will wake up soon and realize that:
A) The Patriot Act does not protect us
B) The Patriot Act is vague and easily abused
C) Congress was only allowed one week to pass the Patriot Act without making any modifications
D) Russ Feingold is the only senator with any integrity (he was the ONLY one to vote against the initial Patriot Act introduction) - littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+63How 'bout we just get rid of the entire stinking pile of *****, parts 1 & 2?
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33No ***** amending this they'll just go ahead and amend MORE bad *****. We want REPEALS
- spearce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16i am completely shocked, SHOCKED, that the government is abusing its ill gotten power. why i never....
- Niteryder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17The Patriot Act is a farce and protects no one, datamining continues even though congress said no,
the government has lost creditability, it has become, what it had intended to protect us from... - aukxsona, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14IF they do it will be a miracle...do you believe in miracles?
- unknamed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11FTA: "The act also for the first time permitted FBI agents in the field to issue the letters; that authority had previously been reserved for officials at FBI headquarters."
That's just scary... the way I read that means that any Billy Bob G-Man can decide he wants to spy on you and he can legally do so just by issuing one of these letters... himself. That's very wrong.
I feel so ignorant for not knowing how badly my rights as a U.S. citizen are being trampled upon. Fortunately ignorance can be overcome, hopefully before it's too late. - Turbosc, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16bake this man the biggest cookie ever conceived. A+ to you. I love the place that I live, but hate the people in charge. :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"The question should be "Do you believe in the United States of America, the Constitution, and the principals of Liberty and Freedom upon which the nation was founded?""
I do...but our elected officials (minus one...guess who) don't. - OnAnyMouse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9unfortunately, an American civil war would be against the law.
- Schizzlefuzz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9It's about damned time. And while they are at it, just get rid of the whole thing.
- calbff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7This is exact proof that the argument "If you're not a terrorist, you don't have to worry" is complete garbage. People so often abuse excessive and overreaching powers.
- Groovemaster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"IF they do it will be a miracle...do you believe in miracles?"
The question should be "Do you believe in the United States of America, the Constitution, and the principals of Liberty and Freedom upon which the nation was founded?" - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6FBI abuses may lead to Patriot Act limits - hahahahahahaahahaha LMAO - LMFAO - yeah right dream on folks, more like:
'FBI abuses will pave the way to extend the limits of the Patriot Act to the outer limits'
Enjoy your torture, civil rights abuses, warrantless wiretapping. See you in detention in some dungeon in Poland or FEMA camp. - skulljar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I'm glad you trust absolutely the infaliable patriots found up and down the ranks of the FBI.
- spingk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Plus Congress drafted a version of the Act which everyone agreed on. Then at 3AM before the vote, the White House printed a substitute version of the Act. It included "improvements" to the Act. But how can you properly read a 350 page act in 7 hours? These improvements were things that Bush had proposed before, but had been shot down in Congress.
- oskite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5By removing it? Because that's really the only way to fix it.
- littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"...do you believe in miracles?"
Yes. - tavisjohn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The Patriot Act was used EXACTLY as it was meant to be used. The whole Patriot Act should have NEVER been enacted in the first place, it does NOTHING but violate our rights as US citizens!
The problem with it, is that any "Limits" imposed will be nothing more than window dressing. When you give someone that is hungry a taste of something that sweet, they will NOT give it up that quickly! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"D) Russ Feingold is the only senator with any integrity (he was the ONLY one to vote against the initial Patriot Act introduction)"
Yes...he was the only SENATOR...but he was NOT the only Congressman to vote against it. There were also 66 House members that voted against it.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll398.xml - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5the fascist pact.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"i remember when i used to have rights, they started taking them away around 2000"
No...the government has been limiting your rights since about 1798. John Adams (the second US President) signed the Alien and Sedition Acts into law, even though they blatantly violated the 1st Amendment. Bush isn't the only one...he's just the most recent.
You fail at history. - skulljar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"People so often abuse excessive and overreaching powers."
You say "so often." It's more, actually.
It is exactly: every single instance in every single history of every single government ever. In addition every government seeks to expand it's own powers. That's simply human nature for you. - omnithought, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The Patriot Act is COINTELPRO on steroids.
- ayalrosenthal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So will people who had their civil rights violated by the FBI be notified of such or will this information simply be kept on the side to be used by the agency later?
- gatewalker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hopefully, the people will take note of what has happened and learn form it.
Maybe, congress might even pick up on the lesson that laws passed quickly because of fear often have severe flaws.
Hopefully, may be, but mostly like neither will happen.
This law will someday pass into the proverbial dust bin of history, but another will come and take it's place, eventually.
Though not always intentional, politicians and law enforcement will always play on the peoples fear to help set policy.
I imagine they figure it's easier to manage a scared sheep than an angry bull... - Markieman234, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This does not surprise me at all.
In my opinion, the US government is gradually turning into what the former Soviet KGB was
in its day, using immoral unethical techniques to spy on its people.
The Bush Regime ("Administration?") has, in time, completely abused the revolutionary Bill of Rights
and Jeffersonian ideologies that should make the United States constitution the most fair
and democratic in the world, with the common citizens best interests at heart. Instead,
we have quite frankly ridiculous acts introduced such as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act,
introduced solely by the Bush Regime under the corporate pressure of the MPAA / RIAA to protect
their revenues in the most disgraceful ways possible. Not to forget the to this article relevant
USA Patriot Act, an act that is no longer relevant today as it was passed through congress in record
time after 9/11 when the nation was in a state of national emergency.
I doubt very much, following this article under the current administration we'll see a change to this act, so that Joe Citizen has the privacy
and freedom he deserves from living in a country that considers itself a role model to other world
nations. - ichbinladen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Thanks FBI, for showing how ***** up you are. DIAF
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Any law on the books can, and will, be abused by the government. Rewriting our laws to accomodate abusers is stupid. Better fire FBI bastards who abuse the law.
- jake8689, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3i remember when i used to have rights, they started taking them away around 2000
- CmdrBob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Where is the Alex Jones bashers on this one? Oh, because it's not posted on his site it does'nt automatically deserve the morons DIGG down? I, see... You'll come around, even if it takes tyranny up your ass. Love it when ppl take the time to post intellegent relevent info sites. Thanks rstevens ;-)
- rstevens, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Behind the abuses of power is the biggest cover up in our nation's history. The secret lies with building 7:
"http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/Why_Indeed_Did_the_WTC_Buildings_Completely_Collapse_Jones_Thermite_World_Trade_Center.pdf"
"http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003"
"http://www.wtc7.net" - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2hahahahaha
(this is the sound of the rest of the world laughing at America) - schwit, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9Some of the patriot act is necessary. Prior to it state, local and federal agencies were prohibited from sharing criminal information.
BUT, the national security letters section should be tossed. ALL searches should require a judges approval. Also, transparency should be required at every step to ensure that power is not abused. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, this makes TOTAL sense. Don't crack down on the abuse, crack down on the law. As usual, liberals have it bass ackwards.
- tdk2fe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have to say it is refreshing to hear this guy take responsibility. Scooter libby should take note.
- wware, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Bush appears to have appointed Gonzales with the specific intent to expand executive power at the expense of civil liberties. Gonzales's opinions prior to his appointment support this.
http://www.epluribusmedia.org/features/2007/20070307_gonzales_alberto.html
This leaves me wondering why Gonzales is suddenly supporting civil liberties. Mysterious. - Charron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Doubt anything's gonna happen. Isn't that why things "happen" on Fridays? So that everyone forgets about it by Monday?
- skulljar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Of course! I gave an NSL to my wife in order to get all of her credit card records. She just kept getting more and more shoes! And I'm just a federal finance agent!
- DustinHill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Scooter didn't fess up for a reason. He's protecting someone. I'm not sure that's it's Cheney he's protecting, but that's where my bet lies. The man was a very successful lawyer in the private sector. He knew what he was doing. I don't think he'll see a presidential pardon, but there's no way he'll serve over 5 years. It's like Oliver North all over again.
- MacGregor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It seems in this case the FBI is more at fault than the patriot act itself. They broke the act's rules so it looks like an enforcement problem.
- Dustin00, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"I'm responsible."
I'm so conflicted -- he sucks for screwing this up, but he's the first official to admit this in such a long time I want him to run for president! - Xill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The patriot act is a contemporary shadow of the dark middle ages, a step back to torture, justified by a coup d'etat made by traitors our own governement in order to transfer power to the world banks and corporations.
- RpgActioN, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Did anybody else want to reach through the screen and...fix his tie?
- trilith, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0and what about privacy?
- spiritbrave, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Buried, just because this is so lame. You moonbats are so stupid as to be beneath contempt.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Here's how I feel about it...
http://jeremiasx.wordpress.com/2007/03/09/my-first-vlog/ - fatesdefiance, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Not just any Billy Bob G-Man. The Act only added authorization for the 56 Special Agents in Charge of the FBI field offices to issue NSLs. Before that it was only selected officers at the HQ. A significant increase yes, but it's still not just any old agent.
Also, the type of information retrievable with NSLs is strictly limited. Communications billing and subscription info, credit reports, and educational applications...things of that nature. Anything like actual personal communication contents, full bank records, and things like that require court orders.
I've read the OIG report about the FBI "abuses". Notably, the OIG referred to them usually as violations of existing protocols and rules, and pointed out that there was no evidence of criminal misconduct. It was also noted that in most cases the FBI could have procured the same information without the violation. Most of the mistakes were clerical in nature--not what I'd call abuse.
Definitely the situation should be rectified, but this isn't any kind of earth-shattering revelation here--it's your typical bureaucracy fouling things up. - oskite, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3@aukxsona
No, we don't. - rhawk301, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4Check out Ron Paul as well, his voting record is stellar. He is a true patriot.
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