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- rstevens, on 10/12/2007, -2/+39Unchecked, violations become acceptable, standard policy.
Unaccountable, violators magnify the frequency and severity of their crimes.
Immune, violators expect to be defended, let off or even rewarded.
We expect more from the agency we pay to protect us. - Lixie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+30They're federal employees. I doubt they work weekends.
- Hellman109, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22Thats three violations per DAY, presuming they also made violations on weekends...
- rnwen2750, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18But guys, 3,000 people died in 9/11. 3,000 violations. I think they even themselves out. After all, 9/11 give us the right to do anything? Right?
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^ sarcasm - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Relax. No one will be going to prison over this. Remember, folks: government officials are exempt from law enforcement.
- spoiled1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12JUST 3000 ??
Tip of the iceberg most likely. - joecochran, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12um hey man, how is it that privacy and less intrusive government is a liberal issue?
I only ask because I thought the conservative position is traditionally smaller less intrusive government. Also I thought they were for our nation being a constitutional republic with a rule of law that even our own government cannot break.
As opposed to liberalism and democracy, which are actually doctrines of more government control over many aspects of private life, and democracy being more appropriately called "mobocracy" because 51% of the people can do whatever they want to 49%.
Sorry, but people who would rather take their chances with a government not bound by a constitution instead of the terrorists are the real Anti-Americans. If we are so ardently defending our freedom, why is it that we have to give up the freedom to protect it.
And please, tell me its only temporary. All of the war powers and other powers the executive branch has been granted "temporarily" throughout history have always stayed. Admit it, at the moment your freedom is a joke.
Anyways, vote Ron Paul. - Corrosionx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14I totally called it, but you people were like "The government would never do something like that!" "It's only gonna be used against terrorists" "They're not using terrorism as an excuse to clamp down on American people".
And you're probably still saying it. - nullenigma, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9You don't have to try so hard to convince me both sides of the Aisle are crap. I'm willing to put the pressure on scumbags regardless of political affiliation. People need to remember the Patriot Act passed with BIPARTISAN support.
However, since Bush has the most power right now, he needs to be taken care of first. If Kerry was in office and doing the same thing as him, I'd want him out too. This issue is bigger than right vs left. - kurtwinter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8feebleminded - Are you so naive as to believe that all 3000 cases were for "terrists"? You'd burn a house down to solve a termite infestation. Sure, the termites would be dead..
- david76, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Exactly. Anyone who thinks 3000 violations is a lot is using pre-9/11 thinking.
/sarcasm - SnapETom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7IMHO, this is a much bigger issue than the attorney firings. The firings can be parlayed into political squabling. All that does is exchange one set of crooks for another.
This, though, opens the door to the restoration of civil liberties. This is what we should be most angry about. - glock22ownr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@duclod:
But what will I do with 30,000 pairs of boxing gloves ?!? - twistedfantasy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7George Washington is turning in his grave.
- Phrag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Since you can't see it for yourself, I'll point out the obvious difference:
Private sector: Buys and sells my information. They study it and possibly send me spam and junk mail. Big deal. I don't like it, but life goes on.
Criminals: Can buy my info, steal my identity and screw up my credit. This sucks but, I have legal recourse to get my credit fixed and the criminal punished.
Government: Can steal my info without any notice. They can then use this info to justify everything from invading my home when I am not there and leaving no notice to abducting me and making me disappear to another country where I will be tortured and held indefinetly. I then hae no way to challenge my detention or to receive compensation for the government's wrong doing.
Do you see why people are more alarmed by the government having this info than the private sector or even scam artists? - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Just for some perspective; just 2 weeks ago they were reporting only 22 "possible" violations.
- glock22ownr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Did you read the part where it said they violated the rights of American Citizens? I'm Republican, somewhat conservative, but even I agree that this ***** must end, otherwise where do you draw the line ? This is not a Liberal v. Conservative issue, it is an issue for all Americans. Please have the courtesy to remove your head from your anus, turn a TV on and watch the news.
- polyGone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You know, for being 'a whiny liberal', I am not the one screaming for protection. Guess what I have to hide? Whatever I damn well please. That's what. You can't fight an ideal, pal.
- jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5just wait till they pass a law banning something that you like doing and find nothing wrong with doing... suddenly all that information they collected about you was something you wished could have been hidden...
why do you think the nazi's asked the jews to register? so they could weed them out. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5They are preparing to deal with anyone who speaks out or fights back against tightening government control in coming years. Unfortunately its not just paranoia.........
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=277826260716604258
http://www.oilempire.us/redalert.html
http://www.linkoregon.com/fema/ - polyGone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Please pick up a book before posting. It can be any book at this point. Math, History, Sociology..............I mean you're living in make believe land.
- ChillHomie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5This is Spartaaaaa!!!!!!!!
Oh wait.. 3,000 not 300 - polyGone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Were talking about a governmental agency that sent how-many-billion-dollars into a war zone and 'lost' it. No investigation. Yeah, I want them being able to see what I do. They see everything we do and we see nothing of what they do. I though the idea was that 'we' are the government. IT sounds like 'they' are the government and I sure as ***** don't want them to have the power they do.
Enough of the 'if you have nothing to hide' rhetoric, it gets really ***** old. - polyGone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Exactly, if someone went in there and banned churches, you'd be in there tearing down the walls. I find it odd that the last time people really went totally against a law was during prohibition.
- Guydevice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4FTA: "Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.) expressed surprise at how widespread the use of national security letters had become, asking: 'Do we have that many potential terrorists running around the country? If so, I'm really worried.' He said the inspector general's report shows that 'the FBI has had a gross overreach,' and added that its officials 'can't get away with this and expect to maintain public support for the tools that they need to combat terrorism.'"
Like his precious Real ID Act?
"In 2005, Sensenbrenner authored the Real ID Act which requires additional scrutiny of citizenship before issuing drivers' licenses and creates a federal database of state-issued identification. He attached the controversial act as a rider on military spending bill HR418. Subsequently, it was passed by the Senate without debate." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Sensenbrenner - polyGone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yeah, because restoration = civil war.
Have you ever read about how long there have been people fighting over that chunk of land?
We aren't restoring anything. - brokekneck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4 How far does it go? How many need to be abused? Why aren't we united in outrage over this? I've always seen America as the country that fights bullies. Its a sad time, we are the bullies now.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I suspect you of plotting a terrorist act, therefore you're a suspected terrorist. By your thinking, your rights being violated now is a GOOD thing.
When a government starts clamping down on rights, it takes a big step towards forcing its people to look at armed revolution. - ChewyBass, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4That's it. Obviously the FBI isn't doing its freaking job. How many terrorist have slipped by because the are letting critical information go unchecked. I fully expect and investigation to find out why they are slacking.
And no, I am not being sarcastic. - nullenigma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3These are violations of privacy you can't refuse, combined with gag orders that if you violate, you go to prison for a long time. It's really apples and oranges here, even though I don't like how a lot of private companies treat my data.
- ayeroxor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Clearly, Mister Conservative up above thinks it's okay to lock people in their houses, with 24-hour sound and video monitoring, and have gov't-appointed "food deliverers" keep us alive as long as it stops another attack.
I show they lost by protecting my country from throwing away the freedoms which make (made?) it a beacon of light and going on with my life.
You show they won by making excuses for changing that which makes us unique and getting petty with those who wish to preserve our freedoms. Hope you're proud there, Mister Conservative. - citizenmatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Scrap the whole damn Patriot Act and start over.
- nullenigma, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Privacy rights are supposed to be one of the main things Conservatives historically aimed to protect.
- gharding, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Honestly, maybe I'm jaded, but I don't "expect" a whole lot from this government.
- farksucksmasack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@origclubsoda
you mean, except for the anthrax attack, which cleared the house and senate for 3 days during the short 7 day review of the patriot act, which meant most of the legislators never had a chance to read what they were signing. oh, and of course, nm that the anthrax turned out to have originated in a military laboratory and the FBI has since pretty much dropped the investigation. - OUberLord, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's over 3,000!!!!
*At least its a closer reference, right? :P* - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I was outraged then, as I am now. Hillary should be in prison. And George Bush should be her prison bitch.
- davesbrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Fumz
Are you saying they hijacked your party? - Fumz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This Administration isn't Conservative by any stretch of the imagination. Yes, limited government is a core Conservative value, as is fiscal responsibility, individual freedom and individual responsibility and a strict interpretation of the Constitution. This administration has been fiscally irresponsible, they have expanded government, are apparently unimpressed by our Constitution and do not seem to recognize "individual responsibility" as even being a phrase written in English.
Neo-Cons are a different breed altogether, please don't lump them in with Conservatives. It's insulting. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So do you think you are on the red or blue list?
- polyGone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1He defends because of labels. It appears his name is quite apt.
- jkrobin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Martial Law in the USA: Easier than Ever"
http://www.shadowmonkey.net/news/latest/martial-law-in-the-usa.html
(Feb. 21, 2007) - kaiser44, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@ lyph4. so I guess you , can not see a doctor, or have a prescription filled, or fill out a application for work, or try to adopt a dog at a animal shelter, or join a political group, fund a campaign ,or apply for a social security card, or .I do not need anyone to solve my problems, I was just pointing out that it is the age of technology and information, and information is the new currency used.
We have sold ourselves out by elected and non-elected entities and the we all loose in the process. - polyGone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Take a History class, genius.
***** ***** *****........It's just a word. It has no intrinsic value. - rnwen2750, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Oh wait. I heard about that. ... If you are still on this topic, you need to stop living in the past and start realizing that things need to change NOW. It's not a partisan issue, it's about getting control of a wayward system before it self-destructs.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1All I know is that I'm not on some Government List... At least I don't think I am.. Did you just hear that? I think my phone is tapped.....Oh no, who is that man with the dark sunglasses looking through my window?
- chatty82, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1FBI agents have to have clearances (unless someone is appointing them). The people that look up your library record are usually in the Soviet Union. They fixate on the library books, make each one into a "Bible" get copies themselves, and look thru them to find out if there is "terrorism" in there. They don't know how library books combine with an academic background, and women in the Soviet Union are not allowed to have an academic background. Since most of us don't know what the "internal security" of the Soviet Union is, we don't know what violates it.
I got a good idea -- hire Americans for jobs involving the "security of the United States." - FAT_PIGGY, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2LOL 3,000 more like millions
- origclubsoda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1...or, they may not.
- Guydevice, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Hello; didn't mean to reply.
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