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- digg4peace, on 04/28/2009, -6/+86I'll say it again....issue the arrest warrants!
- freedomjoe, on 04/28/2009, -6/+83Oh, boy. Here it comes!! Buckle up, people. It's going to be a bumpy ride.
- LeftieLucy, on 04/28/2009, -6/+65This is clearly criminal and needs to be investigated as such - I think that politicians should treat this as if it's radioactive and let the justice system work.
- RagManX, on 04/28/2009, -2/+47But this does nothing for the low-level folks previously prosecuted for carrying out these approved treatment, does it? As former Brig. Gen. Karpinski said recently, where were these so-called heroes who called for and authorized these treatments back when so many soldiers at Abu Ghraib were being penalized for this?
EDIT: Oh hell - I just read the full article, and it's even worse than I expected. Where is the outrage over this? - Anomaly100, on 04/28/2009, -5/+49"Questions about the alleged executive order signed by Bush first surfaced in December 2004. But the White House emphatically denied that any such presidential executive order existed, calling the unnamed FBI official who wrote the e-mail “mistaken.”
They can't even cover their lies anymore. Cheney is an evil f%ck and Bush is just as bad. - inactive, on 04/28/2009, -2/+41WOW. I guess this is what Jason was hinting at the other day about ***** hitting the fan?
- skygrl7, on 04/28/2009, -5/+34Thanks Jason great reporting.
- Anomaly100, on 04/28/2009, -0/+27If President Obama commits the same atrocities in the future as they did, then he should be prosecuted. I would never defend him it he were to do the same things Cheney and Bush have done. Never. I feel the POTUS has had too much power in the past and this needs to change. For Bush to write exec orders making something this evil, legal, it's just unconscionable. It's like Nixon said, "If the President does it, it's legal." It doesn't sound too good ,does it?
- skygrl7, on 04/28/2009, -6/+32I think they'll create a distraction on a grand scale.
- LeepII, on 04/28/2009, -2/+25We executed Japanese soldiers for torture.
- inactive, on 04/28/2009, -4/+27We've executed Japanese soldiers for waterboarding POW's, I'd say that's pretty damn comparable.
- aFoxy21, on 04/28/2009, -3/+26Describing the contents of the Feb. 7, 2002, memo, Gonzales said, “This is the only formal, written directive from the president regarding treatment of detainees. The president determined that Geneva does not apply with respect to our conflict with al-Qaeda. Geneva applies with respect to our conflict with the Taliban. Neither the Taliban or [sic] al Qaeda are entitled to POW protections.”
Gonzales added: “But the president also determined -- and this is quoting from the actual document, paragraph 3; this is very important -- he said, ‘Of course, our values as a nation, values that we share with many nations in the world, call for us to treat detainees humanely, including those who are not legally entitled to such treatment. Our nation has been, and will continue to be, a strong supporter of Geneva and its principles. As a matter of policy, the Armed Forces are to treat detainees humanely, and to the extent appropriate and consistent with military necessity, in a manner consistent with the principles of Geneva.’”
Treated humanely, eh Gonzales? How do you look yourself in the eye every morning? I say we keep Gitmo open just so we can toss the lot of them, including Bybee, Bradbury & Yoo, in there and show them what enhanced interrogation techniques look like close up.... - jleopold, on 04/28/2009, -5/+25e-mail link fixed. Thanks MercyP!
- e68895f, on 04/28/2009, -5/+21Somehow i belive that bush signed everything that cheney asked him....
- darkism, on 04/28/2009, -2/+18Haul Bush to The Hague in chains!
- jleopold, on 04/28/2009, -1/+17It's going to get much worse. Apparently, there are numerous documents that have yet to be released dealing specifically with Bush's orders re: Abu Ghraib.
- MediaWeasel, on 04/28/2009, -1/+16Sorry labmouse I don't agree. Anyone who breaks laws and considers themselves above the judiciary needs to be made accountable - and I say that as a real admirer of President Obama. We're talking about torture - people must prosecuted, from the top down.
- inactive, on 04/28/2009, -7/+22So far, ONLY ONE TV NETWORK (to my knowledge) has clearly and publicly denounced torture. (It's MSNBC.)
ALL OF THE OTHERS, as far as I can tell, have been acting and continue to act as TORTURE APOLOGISTS, at best remaining silent or even allowing people like Dick Cheney to try to justify and/or deny the fact that the United States DID TORTURE PRISONERS. That is not just according to me... it's according to The International Red Cross.
Here's one online source for that info... there are many more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/16/terror/m ...
Please do three things:
1. Contact any three news organizations that have failed to denounce torture and tell them that their editorial silence on torture is immoral and unacceptable.
2. Search the recent postings on Digg that contain the word "torture" and vote them up (as long as they're not trying to deny the facts or justify the use of torture.)
3. Spread this message.
Many Americans don't buy the explanation that torture is okay if it gets valuable information, believing instead the torture is simply WRONG. Torture also gets prisoners to say what they think you want to hear... NOT to necessarily tell you the truth. - EricSchC1, on 04/28/2009, -0/+15Please wake up and realize that we prosecuted the Japanese under international law for doing the very same thing, ergo, it is illegal on an international level..... ***** moron.
- r0g3r, on 04/28/2009, -2/+16If a president has committed war crimes while in office, then it is imperative that he face up to the law. Otherwise, our authority and station in the world is diminished. It's hard to take the moral high ground with countries who have poor civil rights records when we are engaging in torture. It's a mark on our national pride.
- AndrewDB, on 04/28/2009, -3/+16Guess they forgot to hit the delete button on this one.
Oops. - AmazingSteve, on 04/28/2009, -2/+15"The United States does not torture..."
- George W Bush. - publiclurker, on 04/28/2009, -0/+12If he is guilty of crimes against humanity then he should be prosecuted. Ignoring these crimes just makes it a lot more likely that they will be repeated, as the next guy knows that he can get away with it.
- thesonofdarwin, on 04/28/2009, -0/+11Like our American leaders?
- MercyPolitics, on 04/28/2009, -1/+12No problem, I am here to watch your back!
- EricSchC1, on 04/28/2009, -2/+13I'd assume the very same law, chapter and verse, as the one we used to prosecute the Japanese, following WWII.
- kingofinternet, on 04/28/2009, -1/+11Bad presidents set bad precedents.
Rule of law for all. - B1ackD0g, on 04/28/2009, -1/+11Boozedrinker, I want EVERY president from here on out to follow the law of the land. What's so misinformed about that, my friend. This country is based on the rule of law, not expedience. Good priciples are not always easy or safe to follow, they're just right. Torture is just wrong.
- Anomaly100, on 04/28/2009, -0/+10Normally, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, however, if they don't think waterboarding is torture, then why not! They shouldn't mind. Perhaps Hannity and O'Reilly would want to visit their heroes and partake in the hospitality of Gitmo.
- AndrewDB, on 04/28/2009, -2/+12Going to?
It already has been! - Echota, on 04/28/2009, -3/+13Oh gosh,this makes me nervous and I don't know why!
- r0g3r, on 04/28/2009, -0/+10@boozedrinker: I want every president from here on out to live up to the principles that make this land great and make us better than those we are fighting.
Hitting the bottle doesn't seem to be helping you much. - EricSchC1, on 04/28/2009, -1/+11"People got together and formed a consensus on how far we should go in interrogating these people."
Who? Neither me nor anyone I ***** voted for.
"jeez.. you ***** would want to put Jack Bauer away too."
If for no better reason than to make morons who think 24 is real life shut the hell up. - jleopold, on 04/28/2009, -1/+11calling it torture? It's been torture. Why don't you brush up on your reading and check out the convention against torture your pal Reagan signed.
- dtr300, on 04/28/2009, -0/+10This is why, if there is prosecution, it needs to be handled with care, in public, and with airtight evidence. I've gone back and forth myself on whether it's a good idea, but I'm leaning more and more towards holding people accountable simply because what they have done is too egregious to ignore. I don't want to see death penalties, just a few years in prison and public shame for those at the top who made torturing prisoners the official policy of this country. I do think that Obama personally needs to keep his distance from the proceedings and let Congress and the justice system handle it.
- Bdog2g2, on 04/28/2009, -0/+9Wouldn't you if he was choking you with his mind?
- AmazingSteve, on 04/28/2009, -4/+13Boy, the Freepers seem to be avoiding this thread like the plague.
- chrism123, on 04/28/2009, -1/+10It's called swine flu
- Lucas123, on 04/28/2009, -7/+16According to the e-mail, Bush’s executive order authorized interrogators to use military dogs, “stress positions,” sleep “management,” loud music and “sensory deprivation through the use of hoods, etc.” to extract information from detainees in Iraq.
So what? That's torture?
What happened at Abu Ghraib went well beyond any of that, and that's what needs to be addressed. - kanabiis, on 04/28/2009, -2/+10So in your world boozedrinker, the President is actually a King, and the law does not apply to him....
Are you an American or a ***** servant, because from where I am sitting, your a ***** servant... and a tool...
I guess laws don't mean anything to you..... Maybe you would be better off moving to Afghanistan or Pakistan where people think JUST LIKE YOU. - the2989, on 04/28/2009, -12/+20Bush is a giant douche. Everybody seems to forget that he allowed 154 executions as governor of texas. The only prisoner to ever kill more than him was Timothy McVeigh. I say execute him.
- mparker21311, on 04/28/2009, -6/+14Obama, do something!
- Hetman, on 04/28/2009, -3/+11When you break international law by torturing people, you should be held accountable.
- SpeedyThing, on 04/28/2009, -0/+8But are those lives now so innocent?
Some things are wrong, no ifs, no buts. Do you really think that torturing people is making you safer? You say that they would torture you, well I'm sure that is a hell of a lot more likely if you are doing it to them. - EricSchC1, on 04/28/2009, -2/+10I'd consider every "That's not even torture"-esque naysayer spend a month in Club Gitmo, then open their fat ***** ignorant mouths more than OK.
- inactive, on 04/28/2009, -4/+12and this surprises anyone? who the hell didn't think Bush was capable of this? Lex Luthor is more altruistic.
- AmazingA, on 04/28/2009, -2/+10@Shwaavay
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-begala/yes-inat ...
It's all made up!!! *Looks the other way* - Leetamus, on 04/28/2009, -1/+8really. just for one minute of your life. put yourself there. i mean, really - put yourself there and say that again. This isn't a ***** tv show, these are real people like your mom. Imagine your mom being taken away from you and hearing how she was forced in to unnatural positions for hours if not days on end with the same song playing day and night, her naked body kicked every time she began to nod off and unable to see any of it coming because of the bag on her head making it hard to breath and ocassionally being straddled by some militant yahoo foreigner like a dog.
Tell us all how when your mom finally came home after months of this she was the same happy, loving women that left.
Or you could be a total douche, don't think any of this through at all and just puke out some bottom feeder response to avoid thinking about the serious reality of being tortured this way in exchange for one or two digg laughs. - deathyepl, on 04/28/2009, -1/+8It makes about as much sense as treating criminals as heroes.
- diggduggDOOM, on 04/28/2009, -0/+6"beatniks"?
Join us in the 21st century, daddy-o. -
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