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- PaulMorel, on 08/19/2008, -1/+45Go to Kentucky or West Virginia, and see the flattened Appalachians for yourself. See what Bush-McCain's legalized mountaintop removal mining has done to this country. See the skyrocketing cancer rates in the people that live there (the few that remain).
When you're done there, head down to the Mississippi Basin in Louisiana. See the giant dead spot in the Gulf where life can't exist because the chemicals flowing downstream de-oxygenate the water. See the exploding cancer rates in people who live in the area and eat a lot of fish.
If they wanted to do this terrible damage to your city, you would never allow it, but because you don't see it, because this damage is inflicted on poor Americans who can't afford to make their struggle a national story, you don't see it. You curse those Americans to early deaths out of ignorance and pride. You should be ashamed.
The vote is the only thing we have. Throwing it away on shameless corporate shills like McCain or Cheney is an atrocity. - neognostic, on 08/19/2008, -8/+43Did America slight Cheney in some way? He seems determined to ruin this country as soon as he can.
- inactive, on 08/19/2008, -2/+32Yeah! ***** those damn environmentalists! What have they brought us but a reduction in lead poisoning in children and cleaner air and water?!
/sarcasm - MelvinSchlubman, on 08/20/2008, -1/+12Are you bored with breathing and drinking safe water?
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -2/+11Be honest: if you had to ***** Lynne Cheney, you'd want to destroy the world.
- Rotzooi, on 08/20/2008, -1/+10...Wow. Judging from your profile and appreciation of McCain, it seems you are being serious.
You are what is wrong with America today. - cloudberries, on 08/20/2008, -1/+10Yes, because the world needs more politicians who are only in it for themselves
- cloudberries, on 08/20/2008, -0/+9You dropped this...
/sarcasm - inactive, on 08/20/2008, -2/+11Republicans are like little children doing all kinds of crazy ***** knowing full well that their parents the Democrats will bail them out. I say it is time for some tough love.
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -1/+9Yes. Those oil companies are nearly bankrupt! And the Clinton years were, at best, a period of stagnant economic growth. Better to have kids deal with lead poisoning, higher cancer rates due to toxic pollution, high rates of lung disease due to particulates in the air, and birth defects because of contaminants in our drinking water.
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -1/+8What?
- inactive, on 08/19/2008, -2/+9We have had them in power for 7 years.
- Ne007, on 08/20/2008, -0/+6Isn't it wonderful how retarded Bush and Cheney are?
Instead of pushing new energy alternatives which could drive the economy, they cling to the old way of doing things.
They have a knack at hiring the worst person for the job, or should I say the most corrupt. - inactive, on 08/20/2008, -3/+9Serves 'em right, since those are all hardcore red states that voted their jesused-up little hearts out for Bush TWICE. That cancer can't kill Lousianans fast enough. And no one forced West Virginians to dig up those hills. They did it because they wanted to.
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -0/+5They lost their innocence when they voted for Bush. Now they're getting exactly what they wanted: a fast track to the afterlife. The people of West Virginia are crying tears of joy over their good fortune. All intelligent Americans should support their noble effort to extinguish that branch of the human race.
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -2/+7When fascism has left nothing but death behind and everyone is enslaved or hated or in fear of the other then you will know that doing nothing now is what got you there.
When you have to hire a lawyer because your FBI is too dumb to remove your name from a list of "non believers" or "good minions". When a company can sue anybody without proof and offer "settlement" as a means of avoiding the overwhelming cost of hiring lawyers. When Lawyers themselves cower against the machine and side with it to ruin the peace for the sake of a slice of pie.
When Gulags are run by the military and courts are run by the government then you have fascism.
Now the companies own you, they do as they please. The law treats them with glowing praise while the worker is enslaved and treated with violence, you have no rights to anything other than a lawyer.
When the company no longer answers to the law but writes the laws. When the companies own you, your health, your education, your local government. Fascism is there.
America is now a fascist society, you can tick all the boxes, connect all the dots and still people will not get up, stand up and fight for what they believe in. Why? The pot has already boiled...
And I stand here in total shock at how easy it was. Just a big explosions and it was all over.
People will talk about the atrocities but no one will beleive them untill they too are shocked into cardiac failure or their partner is kicked to death, by a cop, by a judge... - NomortaL1, on 08/20/2008, -1/+6lol are you serious?
- neognostic, on 08/20/2008, -0/+4Typical Republican reaction, how about a source of the same item from a conservative paper? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic ...
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -1/+5So if Muslim terror has been struck such critical blows, explain why we still have an insurgency in Iraq four years after "Mission Accomplished?" If anything, we've only caused more terrorists to be recruited. The strategy of toppling the governments of Afghanistan and Iraq, whether they were legitimately elected or no, has not worked: the Taliban is still in Afghanistan, and Iraq is still nowhere near stable.
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -0/+4Can you think of a downside to the massive de-population of the aforementioned states? I can't.
- NomortaL1, on 08/20/2008, -1/+4I didnt know you were using sarcasm until i saw that /sarcasm comment
/sarcasm - inactive, on 08/20/2008, -0/+3Here are some sobering photos of the destruction:
http://www.ohvec.org/galleries/mountaintop_removal ... - inactive, on 08/20/2008, -3/+6Europe watches on in acute shock across the pond, hands clutched to our mouth, eyes wide, about the same you would watch if your neighbour ran through his garden flogging his 3 year old with a barbed whip for not praying before dinner. But what can the civilized world do about what's happening? That same neighbour is a very burly man and he is very well armed. Most european governments can't even properly protest on fear the US will come over and "sort them out" for special treatment.
It's surreal what is happening in the US. Until a few years ago it was going fairly civilized, getting better and better but then these neocons completely take over and implement policies that seem to come completely out of the blue. I mean, whats the motive of these diabolical men? Do they work from the assumption the current US is unsustainable in some way and they need to twist it around to a right-wing junta as soon as possible? It boggles the mind and brings bile to my stomach. It's like a bad movie script, but for real. - byronm, on 08/20/2008, -0/+3Thats conservatism for you. The entire existence of the conservative movement isn't that they're "conservative" people by the definition of conservative, they're conservative in that they fundamentally believe that progress is bad.
Wake up America. We have people in office who think vaccinating is bad for children, who think space exploration, education and social welfare is bad for people. We have people in office who think that the progress of man kind, the progress to energy efficiency, energy independence and self sustaining families who can work for themselves and live for themselves is bad. - byronm, on 08/20/2008, -1/+4I certainly hope that was sarcasm
- NomortaL1, on 08/20/2008, -2/+5not all voted for bush ya know... sigh oh well
- waggdogg, on 08/20/2008, -1/+3I live in Louisiana, I have two oil refineries in my back yard. No problem. I wish they would make them bigger and sell me gas direct.
- Intercon, on 08/20/2008, -0/+2I hope your children die of cancer. Then maybe you will realize how utterly ***** dumb your statements are.
God help us all... - rthakidn, on 08/20/2008, -1/+3Environmental issues are a lot like the phenomenon we call "Wal-Mart". Nobody likes the methods the company uses to give us extremely low prices, but they sure LOVE the low prices. Enviro issues are the same. We don't like to see the ugly mountains or poluted marshes and streams, but we sure do appreciate not paying out the ass for things. Before everyone buries me for that comment, look at the recent hand wringing over the high price of gas.
- Intercon, on 08/20/2008, -0/+2stagmire, you seem to think (erroneously) that somehow you live in a bubble, uneffected by the pollution that is generated by everyone, in every part of this country, and every populated part of the world.
I hate this Administration with all my heart, but you let your own hate blind you. If you think the dead zone in the Gulf is only going to affect the American south, or that ecological degradation in West Virginia won't matter to people in Chicago then not only are you an idiot, but you are a ***** hypocrite as well. You call for the extermination of regions of the country, but you have no problem using the electricity generated by the coal that comes from those regions, or the food grown in those regions, despite their HIGH environmental cost.
Keep your retarded opinions to yourself. This world needs some ***** cooperation at the moment, and you're sniveling, third-grade analysis isn't helping any of us: least of all YOU. - inactive, on 08/21/2008, -0/+2Looks like a giant *****, as though the people of West Virginia literally bent over and took it up the ass for Bush.
- Rotzooi, on 08/20/2008, -0/+2Interesting. I am conflicted about how to digg stagmire's comment. While I am all for the total annihilation of the people who voted for Bush, it would be a shame to destroy their landscape in the process. If you can look past the fat rolls and high hair, it can be quite pretty down south.
Hm. Ah, well. ***** 'em. That's the price we'll have to pay. Dugg you up, stagmire! - inactive, on 08/20/2008, -2/+4Yeah, burn everything....*****
- Intercon, on 08/20/2008, -1/+3Your "Saturday morning cartoons" worldveiw is exactly what this country needs to destroy. Learn something about the history of the region, you flag-waving ignoramus.
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -0/+2so you and those you love can more easily get cancer due to pollutants?
- neognostic, on 08/20/2008, -2/+4I invest in companies that are green, not those that rape the country thank you, and my investments are doing quite well.
- sk11, on 08/21/2008, -0/+2For some reason Saruman comes to mind...
- SpinningHead, on 08/20/2008, -1/+3Here's a radical idea. How about we regulate them and tell them they can no longer dump toxins in our air and rivers? How about we reverse Bush policy and make them, rather than the taxpayers, pay for the cleanup?
- NomortaL1, on 08/20/2008, -2/+3innocents dieing?
- sk11, on 08/21/2008, -0/+1Whose economic progress? You mean Cheney's close friends and business partners?
- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -0/+1I am sorry, Russia is a democratic state, even though it has "imperfections" (I could name another superpower with "imperfections"). Right now I simply do not trust an America run by neocons. I'd personally prefer my country disentangled itself from strategic US-alliances, including NATO and started cooperating with Russia. I trust Putin and his handpuppet to be a lot more dependable in deals and a more competent world leader.
I'm sorry, the US squandered all credibility by starting aggressive wars based on resource looting. Not even current Russia has done such a thing. The US is rogue, Russia isn't.
Plus we in Europe have strategical interests in cooperating more closely with Russia. It would be a great member of the EU, and it sells us gas. I don't see the US exporting it's natural resources abroad. - sk11, on 08/21/2008, -1/+2@tehxen:
Yeah, just look at how the neo-cons have improved the economy.
/sarc - EricSchC1, on 08/20/2008, -0/+1Whats wrong w/environmental protection concurrent to economic growth??? If we pulled our wiener out of the middle east's campfire, for good, we could actually, I dunno...maybe afford to do both of those things? Whats the point in having a booming economy, if no one's around (or healthy enough) to enjoy it? Oh, you meant for those wealthy enough to afford medical treatment for all these environmentally-related maladies...?
- sk11, on 08/21/2008, -0/+1You mean: /pathetic attempt at sarcasm
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -0/+1=
- EricSchC1, on 08/20/2008, -1/+2@ saqer: Your argument is completely without merit, so you resort to name calling. How very elementary-school of you. Have a seat over...well, have a seat as far away from me as possible. You're getting in the way of any kind of adult-level discourse on the subject.
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -0/+1Do you also want your little nieces and nephews working in sweat shops?
... or does all this deregulation just work in principle ...and not when it effects you directly? - EricSchC1, on 08/20/2008, -0/+1@ lajaw: A total and completely flawed argument, from the ground up. In case you haven't noticed, most, if not all liberals want to preserve the environment, prevent destruction and depletion of our natural resources and not see our younger citizens be sent off to die in some other country. The fact that a sizable portion of conservatives don't care about these things enough to choose or support leaders who emphasize these issues, leads liberals to take the same un-carring position as neo-cons, when the fallout lands on them. Not saying its right, but don't even try to say that liberals are in favor of promoting destruction or resource depletion. How many conservative politicians openly and actively support strict environmental protection and regulation? Not many, if any.
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -0/+1No. But I want them driving cars, traveling in airplanes, living in air conditioning, using modern medicines, and putting their groceries in plastic bags - all of the blessed things in our lives that radical environmentalists and their friends the trial lawyers want to prevent them from having.
- ShisouKen, on 08/20/2008, -1/+2Dugg down for using idiocy as a defense to idiocy....
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