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- Terr01, on 11/22/2007, -2/+30Impossible! Bush tells us that he listens to the generals and folks on the ground. Well, except Franks, Shinseki, Casey....
I guess if you say "do over!" and re-roll the dice long enough you get Patraeus. - theWaterboy, on 11/22/2007, -1/+17Gosh! Someone who DISAGREE's with Bush? He must be a terrorist too! Somehow Bush can invoke the '9-11' rule, which implies that he should be able to say and/or do anything he wants unquestioned. Whoever even implies that Bush is doing the wrong thing gets *****-listed, and labelled a 'liberal', or 'terrorist'.
Scary stuff really. - Andrej73, on 11/22/2007, -1/+10Why the generals hate the troops?
/sar - JustinPM, on 11/22/2007, -0/+9I worked in his office in Iraq in 2003. Seemed like a nice enough guy at the time.
- hiphoc, on 11/22/2007, -1/+8Its also about becoming a 4 star general for Patreus. Napoleon started that trend of putting 3 dollar trinkets on his soldiers and the things people would do for those trinkets.
- APM19D, on 11/22/2007, -0/+6Amazing how many generals don't complain or voice their issues with the plan while they are still in uniform. Once they are retired and have secured their pensions they become the subject matter expert for whichever cable news network will pay them the most. When they were still in command they could have had an effect, now it just seems like they are complaining just to seem relevant. Where is Hackworth when we really need him?
- noobeffect, on 11/22/2007, -0/+5Now he tells us...
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?vide ... - monkeyrun, on 11/22/2007, -5/+9Don't worry, the military will find some ways to dishonorary discharge him.
He obviously hate America. - MarkKezner, on 11/23/2007, -1/+5Prove it: Join the military yourself and end the war
- spyd3rweb, on 11/22/2007, -1/+5thats why they retire first.
- kreneskyp, on 11/23/2007, -1/+3im sure his retirement was either because:
a) he told bush iraq is lost
b) he knew iraq was lost and couldn't continue leading the effort
c) all of the above - MarkKezner, on 11/23/2007, -0/+2You're putting words in the soldiers' mouths. Each one of them has their own unique set of opinions, and they may or may not agree with you.
- Ekdog, on 11/23/2007, -0/+2That's true, but he could have offered up his resignation and then immediately spoken out against this dreadful occupation. Instead, this creep carried on. He was one of those responsible for the torture at Abu Ghraib.
- kolobcreek, on 11/23/2007, -2/+4***** You ask the troops if they want to come home!!! I'm sure they would all say "lets stay till we get the job done." Its not like we have forced conscription. These guys are warriors. Professional Soldiers the worlds best... Stop acting like a bunch of helpless children.
- Terr01, on 11/23/2007, -2/+3Data please?
I mean, this is the same "change in strategy" which was kicked off with an announcement of a "reduction in violence".
Of course, it took a while for people to realize that part of the reason was because exploding car-bombs no longer counted as "violence" in the world of people promoting the escalation. - beasty_dave_Mk2, on 11/23/2007, -2/+3ex-four star general this, ex-five star general that, whatever. It's only news (imo) if the dudes' still on the payroll and says something along Lt. Gen. Sanchez's lines.
All ex-bosses are pricks and easy to complain about. - Terr01, on 11/23/2007, -1/+2Yeah, Dennis Kucinich, right?
- Terr01, on 11/23/2007, -0/+1I think you're missing an important piece of data.
There are various regulations in the military against mixing work with civilian politics. (Generally a good thing.) I sort of doubt they follow those regulations only for the pension benefits. - JustinPM, on 11/23/2007, -0/+1I don't know if it's fair to say that. It happened while he was there, but there was someone else in charge of that prison.
- Neem, on 11/23/2007, -0/+1the reply button, use it !
- inactive, on 11/24/2007, -0/+1If they speak out before retirement, they will get mysteriously killed like Tillman
- MacLiberal, on 11/23/2007, -0/+1This must be a real shock to the Bushies. Sanchez was a legendary figure in the american military on par with Patton, to hear him come out and admit the truth much just kill the right wing. But what else can he say? Now that the overrated american military is gettings it's pathetic ass kicked up and down Iraq, no one who can think for himself can possibly hope something good will come out of this mess.
- kreneskyp, on 11/23/2007, -2/+2by "strategy" you mean better control over the media so they stop saying bad things about iraq?
- inactive, on 11/23/2007, -3/+3How about supporting a presidential candidate that wants to bring them home immediately? Hmm..gee...I can only think of one...
- Tomson74, on 11/23/2007, -1/+1And suddenly Generals and everyone else is popping up NOW before an election.
How appropriate.
Where was he 1 or 2 ago?
Man we have some ***** up people running this country, and we get to only blame ourselves.
Many if the whole country doesn't vote, and we tell them ALL the choices SUCK, think that would get them to listen?
Doubt it, the media (FOX AND CNN) would tell us that corporate America votes and they have a new President, oh wait.
Corporate America already does that, my bad - stark23x, on 11/23/2007, -1/+1flink, you are 100% correct.
- BEloftyIRONS, on 11/23/2007, -0/+0Sometimes I wish real life were like the movies. You know, when someone stands up at that precise moment when they make their awesome speech that changes the status quo. There is nothing honorable speaking up when you have nothing to lose.
- flink405, on 11/23/2007, -5/+4If Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez would have done his job when he was there perhaps all the U.S. troops would already be home.
Nothing worse than somebody criticizing others for the problem(s) he helped create or failed to solve. - mclumber1, on 11/23/2007, -2/+1The fact of the matter is Petraeus is doing a lot better job with Iraq than his predacessors.
- inactive, on 11/23/2007, -4/+2Sanchez was denied his forth star after presiding over a fiasco in Iraq. Enter General David Petraeus. Now the troops have a leader worthy of them. Sour grapes from Sanchez who was forced to retire in disgrace. He wants to mar the victory of the greater man, as well as pander to a potential leftist political constituency. I think the army leadership could do with a little less affirmative action and advance men like General Petraeus.
- inactive, on 11/23/2007, -4/+1*it.
- mclumber1, on 11/23/2007, -6/+2I think a part of his criticism is based in the fact that Sanchez' and the rest of the flag officers stragegy in Iraq didn't work, and the strategy we are using now IS working (or at least working better than the former strategy). It's jealousy to some extent.
- inactive, on 11/23/2007, -8/+3Sour grapes. Petraeus's strategy proved far move effective. Sanchez just can't take.
- DRINKxREDxBULL, on 11/22/2007, -11/+1If he said that he supported the mission, none of you would care.
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