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- sweetleaf10, on 12/09/2007, -4/+35McGovern used to give daily briefings to Bush senior, so he's legit. He has also stated that the facts surrounding 9/11 point to it being an inside job.
- ccheath, on 12/09/2007, -0/+23i've trusted his cred since i first heard of him back in 2002 when he was countering the war-mongering propaganda with level headed analysis of what real kind of threat iraq posed to national security
- SuperMoses, on 12/10/2007, -0/+14In case you guys don't remember who Ray McGovern is... he's the guy that made Rumsfeld look like a fool:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=v1FTmuhynaw - objectcode, on 12/09/2007, -1/+12yes, they overthrow other governments..oh wait
- inactive, on 12/09/2007, -3/+14Watch the Right Wing Shills swarm in to try and smear *McGovern*.
- hiphoc, on 12/09/2007, -0/+10I thought it stood for Cocaine Importation Agency, or maybe Criminals In Action. Thanks to Zach de La Rocha for that last one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDVs8ixHnUg - sorelymistaken, on 12/10/2007, -0/+9great article. i think this paragraph pretty much sums it up:
Cheney and Rumsfeld persuaded a hesitant President Ford to offer Iran a deal that would have meant at least $6.4 billion for U.S. corporations like Westinghouse and General Electric, had not the Shah been unceremoniously dumped three years later. The offer included a reprocessing facility for a complete nuclear fuels cycle—essentially the same capability that the U.S. and Israel now insist Iran cannot be allowed to acquire.
i guess cheney really does have selective retrograde amnesia when it comes to past dealings with the middle east. - Dukeye, on 12/10/2007, -0/+9Here's a relevant quote from David Rockefeller.
"'We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years....It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during these years....The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers ... is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in the past centuries.'"
That's cognitive dissonance you're feeling, and it's what everyone goes though when they find out. Just ask yourself this: what do Rockefeller and career CIA vet McGovern know about the NYT and Washington Post that you don't, and why are you so quick to dismiss it? - ISIfunded911, on 12/10/2007, -0/+8Corporate media. Read Chomsky!
Already during the Vietnam war, the NYT was pro-war! It has never ever been liberal. Corporate media are never liberal. Corporations are never liberal: the materialistic stockholders would never allow that. - SuperMoses, on 12/10/2007, -0/+7More about the ridiculous notion that Iran doesn't need alternative energy sources because if their oil.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A398 ... - SemiSarcastic, on 12/09/2007, -1/+8Its too bad you only hear these things from "Ex" or "former" members of intelligence agencies. It makes you wonder what the past eight years would have been like if people like McGovern still worked there.
- Dukeye, on 12/10/2007, -0/+6Yeah, they threaten a possible nuclear first strike...oh wait
- sweetleaf10, on 12/09/2007, -2/+8So Iran is the Bully?
- TwinTurboMike, on 12/10/2007, -0/+6I found some text in here that more or less implies as such:
http://www.bostonnow.com/blogs/pitbullpimple/2007/ ... - ISIfunded911, on 12/10/2007, -0/+6Another ex-CIA (blackops) damn worth listening to: CHIP TATUM interviewed by the ex chief of the FBI in L.A., Ted Gunderson.
Do a search in emule or youtube/googlevideos.
He was killed a couple of years after that interview. Now you know why there are not many more insiders who spill the beans about the crimes of the powers that be.
Also do not forget Sibel Edmonds, 9/11 whistleblower the Bush administration did everything to prevent from saying all she knows, not only to you but also to Congress! Her site:
http://www.justacitizen.org/ - card51short, on 12/10/2007, -0/+5dude there's like dozens of high level cia agents who think 911 was an inside job. Robert Baer and Bill Christenson to name some big names...
- im300lbsofhoney, on 12/10/2007, -1/+5RE: liedel and BECoole about the New York Times/media
McGovern has it quite right here.
The New York Times served as a mouthpiece, or rather a megaphone, for the administration in the buildup to the war by essentially printing/echoing without question all of the administration's claims about Iraq's weapons capabilities, yellowcake, etc. None of the "evidence" that screamed from the headlines was the result of any actual investigative journalism, none of the officials' claims were scrutinized at all or investigated or fact-checked, but rather printed verbatim as though they were actual news. Specific reporters, such as Michael R. Gordon and Judith Miller, basically worked as government propagandists, repeating the supposed "evidence", whose only source were the administration officials themselves; while columnists such as Thomas Friedman would take the regime's "suggestions" and write supposedly enlightened, reasoned opinions to sell the public on the Bush administration's plans.
These would be the the "New Mandarins" as Chomsky put it, the supposedly liberal, enlightened intellectual class who willfully or unwittingly (mostly willfully) work as the instruments of and servants to power. Only long after Iraq turned out to be an unwinnable disaster did the editorialists at "liberal" papers turn against the war, and only because the "price" has become too high.
Judith Miller is now gone from the New York Times, while Michael Gordon is still at it. He is the source in our press of the now infamous "truth" that Iranians are killing our troops in Iraq, by again unquestioningly echoing the government's/military's claims about such, which don't stand up to any analysis or scrutiny by anyone knowledgeable about the region and which are known to be absolute fabrications by pretty much all higher-level military officers in the theater. Unfortunately, it is "truth" now, but luckily, the administration's case has been severely crippled by the release of the NIE. Hopefully, it will be sufficient enough to prevent another war.
You don't reach the top unless you lick powerful people's nuts, especially in intellectual fields.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/search/art ...
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Michael ...
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3042
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=michael+gordo ... - krnldmp, on 12/09/2007, -0/+4They don't need to do that, just digg some more articles about Clinton or Huckabee.
- SuperMoses, on 12/10/2007, -0/+3What does this have to do with the article?
- Bagos1, on 12/10/2007, -0/+3Good for the CIA.....and good for America...although I do believe that Iran and Russia will not give up on the oil fields....at least it will not go to nuclear. But neocons are still preeminent....And Israel feels threatened. There still may be an attack.
- ralph12c41, on 12/09/2007, -2/+4link please on the "inside" job comment?
- seajayf, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1mirrror?
- bowe, on 12/10/2007, -6/+3Anyone else notice the editor's last name is "Cockburn"? he he.
- inactive, on 12/10/2007, -4/+1I'm sure Iran is going nuclear to lower their carbon footprint!
LOL! - inactive, on 12/10/2007, -5/+1LOL! The New York Times - "major administration mouthpiece" and the Washington Post - "the administration’s Pravda"! LOL!
That guy is rich! - liedel, on 12/09/2007, -8/+3He lost me when he called the New York Times a "major administration mouthpiece".
- inactive, on 12/09/2007, -10/+3Has anyone here actually read the report?
It doesnt say what you want it to say. - gtluke, on 12/09/2007, -8/+1http://digg.com/world_news/Iran_students_break_cam ...
- Silby, on 12/09/2007, -11/+2CIA stands for Central Intelligence Agency.
- zippy757, on 12/09/2007, -14/+1...pssst....those from the streets of New York know that when a bully starts to talk tough, like Iran, you immediately roll your shoulders back, start to look insane, and then start the crazy talk....maybe the Bush administration actually knows something about bullies...
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