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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+81Indict. Impeach. Incarcerate. Cheney.
- gooddaysunshine, on 10/12/2007, -7/+72say it with me folks
TREASON - DoDawe, on 10/12/2007, -9/+68Surprise Surprise
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+54"***** all of this rawstory spam on digg lately!"
If you can't argue with the message, attack the source. - ne2dclark, on 10/12/2007, -7/+52I wonder whether of the other Democratic Presidential wanna-be's in the recent debate would raise their hands NOW in support of Kucinich's House Bill to impeach Darth Cheney?
The creature is pure evil. - mikelieman, on 10/12/2007, -4/+48Conspiracy to Defraud the United States ( 18 USC 371 ) ( Depriving Congress of their lawful oversight role... )
Fmr. Federal Prosecutor Elizabeth de la Vega wrote a book about it.
http://www.amazon.com/United-States-George-Bush-al/dp/1583227563
which lays out the case very well. To excerpt the relevant parts:
( from http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=143205)
11. Pursuant to the Constitution, their oaths of office, their status as Executive Branch employees, and their presence in the United States, BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, RUMSFELD, and POWELL, and their subordinates and employees, are required to obey Title 18, United States Code, Section 371, which prohibits conspiracies to defraud the United States.
12. As used in Section 371, the term "to defraud the United States" means "to interfere with or obstruct one of its lawful government functions by deceit, craft, trickery, or at least by means that are dishonest." The term also means to "impair, obstruct, or defeat the lawful function of any department of government" by the use of "false or fraudulent pretenses or representations."
13. A "false" or "fraudulent" representation is one that is: (a) made with knowledge that it is untrue; (b) a half-truth; (c) made without a reasonable basis or with reckless indifference as to whether it is, in fact, true or false; or (d) literally true, but intentionally presented in a manner reasonably calculated to deceive a person of ordinary prudence and intelligence. The knowing concealment or omission of information that a reasonable person would consider important in deciding an issue also constitutes fraud.
14. Congress is a "department of the United States" within the meaning of Section 371. In addition, hearings regarding funding for military action and authorization to use military force are "lawful functions" of Congress.
15. Accordingly, the presentation of information to Congress and the general public through deceit, craft, trickery, dishonest means, and fraudulent representations, including lies, half-truths, material omissions, and statements made with reckless indifference to their truth or falsity, while knowing and intending that such fraudulent representations would influence Congress' decisions regarding authorization to use military force and funding for military action, constitutes interfering with, obstructing, impairing, and defeating a lawful government function of a department of the United States within the meaning of Section 371.
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Overt Acts
A. On December 9, 2001, CHENEY announced on NBC's Meet the Press that "it was pretty well confirmed" that lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta had met the head of Iraqi intelligence in Prague in April 2001, which statement was, as CHENEY well knew, made without reasonable basis and with reckless disregard for the truth, because it was based on a single witness's uncorroborated allegation that had not been fully investigated by U.S. intelligence agencies.
B. On July 15, 2002, POWELL stated on Ted Koppel's Nightline: "What we have consistently said is that the President has no plan on his desk to invade Iraq at the moment, nor has one been presented to him, nor have his advisors come together to put a plan to him," which statement was deliberately false and misleading in that it deceitfully implied the President was not planning an invasion of Iraq when, as POWELL well knew, the President was close to finalizing detailed military plans for such an invasion that he had ordered months previously.
C. On August 26, 2002, CHENEY made numerous false and fraudulent statements including: "Simply stated there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us," when, as CHENEY well knew, this statement was made without reasonable basis and with reckless indifference to the truth in that the IC's then prevailing assessment was that Iraq had neither nuclear weapons nor a reconstituted nuclear weapons program.
D. On September 7, 2002, appearing publicly with Blair, BUSH claimed a recent IAEA report stated that Iraq was "six months away from developing a [nuclear] weapon" and "I don't know what more evidence we need," which statements were made without basis and with reckless indifference to the truth in that: (1) the IAEA had not even been present in Iraq since 1998; and (2) the report the IAEA did write in 1998 had concluded there was no indication that Iraq had the physical capacity to produce weapons-usable nuclear material or that it had attempted to obtain such material.
E. On September 8, 2002, on Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer, RICE asserted that Saddam Hussein was acquiring aluminum tubes that were "only suited" for nuclear centrifuge use, which statement was deliberately false and fraudulent, and made with reckless indifference to the truth in that it omitted to state the following material facts: (1) the U.S. intelligence community was deeply divided about the likely use of the tubes; (2) there were at least fifteen intelligence reports written since April 2001 that cast doubt on the tubes' possible nuclear-related use; and (3) the U.S. Department of Energy nuclear weapons experts had concluded, after analyzing the tubes's specifications and the circumstances of the Iraqis' attempts to procure them, that the aluminum tubes were not well suited for nuclear centrifuge use and were more likely intended for artillery rocket production.
F. On September 8, 2002, RUMSFELD stated on Face the Nation: "Imagine a September 11th, with weapons of mass destruction. It's not three thousand, it's tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children," which statement was deliberately fraudulent and misleading in that it implied without reasonable basis and in direct contradiction to then prevailing intelligence that Saddam Hussein had no operational relationship with al Qaeda and was unlikely to provide weapons to terrorists.
G. On September 19, 2002, RUMSFELD told the Senate Armed Services Committee that "no terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people than the regime of Saddam Hussein," which statement was, as Rumsfeld well knew, made without reasonable basis and with reckless indifference to the truth in that: (1) Hussein had not acted aggressively toward the United States since his alleged attempt to assassinate President George H. W. Bush in 1993; (2) Iraq's military forces and equipment were severely debilitated because of UN sanctions imposed after the 1991 Gulf War; (3) the IC's opinion was that Iraq's sponsorship of terrorists was limited to ones whose hostility was directed toward Israel; and (4) Iran, not Iraq, was the most active state sponsor of terrorism.
H. On October 1, 2002, the defendants caused the IC's updated classified National Intelligence Estimate to be delivered to Congress just hours before the beginning of debate on the Authorization to Use Military Force. At the same time, the defendants caused an unclassified "White Paper" to be published which was false and misleading in many respects in that it failed to include qualifying language and dissents that substantially weakened their argument that Iraq posed a serious threat to the United States.
I. On October 7, 2002, in Cincinnati, Ohio, BUSH made numerous deliberately misleading statements to the nation, including stating that in comparison to Iran and North Korea, Iraq posed a uniquely serious threat, which statement BUSH well knew was false and fraudulent in that it omitted to state the material fact that a State Department representative had been informed just three days previously that North Korea had actually already produced nuclear weapons. The defendants continued to conceal this information until after Congress passed the Authorization to Use Military Force against Iraq.
J. Between September 1, 2002, and November 2, 2002, BUSH traveled the country making in excess of thirty congressional-campaign speeches in which he falsely and fraudulently asserted that Iraq was a "serious threat" which required immediate action, when as he well knew, this assertion was made without reasonable basis and with reckless indifference to the truth.
K. In his January 28, 2003 State of the Union address, BUSH announced that the "British have recently learned that Iraq was seeking significant quantities of uranium from Africa" which statement was fraudulent and misleading and made with reckless disregard for the truth, in that it falsely implied that the information was true, when the CIA had advised the administration more than once that the allegation was unsupported by available intelligence.
L. In a February 5, 2003, speech to the UN, POWELL falsely implied, without reasonable basis and with reckless disregard for the truth, that, among other things: (1) those who maintained that Iraq was purchasing aluminum tubes for rockets were allied with Saddam Hussein, even though POWELL well knew that both Department of Energy nuclear weapons experts and State Department intelligence analysts had concluded that the tubes were not suited for nuclear centrifuge use; and (2) Iraq had an ongoing cooperative relationship with al Qaeda, when he well knew that no intelligence agency had reached that conclusion.
M. On March 18, 2003, BUSH sent a letter to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate which asserted that further reliance on diplomatic and peaceful means alone would not either: (1) adequately protect United States national security against the "continuing threat posed by Iraq" or (2) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant UN Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq, which statement was made without reasonable basis and with reckless indifference to the truth in that, as BUSH well knew, the U.S. intelligence community had never reported that Iraq posed an urgent threat to the United States and there was no evidence whatsoever to prove that Iraq had either the means or intent to attack the U.S. directly or indirectly. The statement was also false because, as BUSH well knew, the UN weapons inspectors had not found any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and wanted to continue the inspection process because it was working well.
N. In the same March 18, 2003 letter, BUSH also represented that taking action pursuant to the Resolution was "consistent with continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorists attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001," which statement was entirely false and without reasonable basis in that, as BUSH well knew, Iraq had no involvement with al Qaeda or the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.
All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 371. - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+46Can anyone find a single thing that Ray McGovern has ever said that turned out to be wrong?
The man is unimpeachable, IMO, whereas, Cheney, is highly impeachable. - kenvsryu, on 10/12/2007, -8/+49I smell a pheasant hunting trip for Mr. McGovern soon.
- EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+35@kyle, if the MSM was willing to actually investigate anything, I'm sure we'd have lots of better articles on the front page.
RawStory is admittedly a bit like the Drudge of the middle-left. But at least they get the story right. I have yet to catch them, say, making anything up.
In this case, all they did was put up a video clip. Unless you're claiming they edited the clip, I don't think it matters what the source is, just that it happened. And I'm glad they bother to record this stuff so I don't have to watch Fox and BowTie Boy. - laserblazer, on 10/12/2007, -7/+39Cheney is 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 kinds of *****.
- kurupt, on 10/12/2007, -13/+38President Black Bush: I didn't want to say this. The ***** bought yellow cake. All right! From Africa. He went to Africa and bought some yellow cake.
News Reporter: Are you sure?
President Black Bush: Yes! I'm sure, bitch! - CloakandSwagger, on 10/12/2007, -6/+30Dick's goin down.
- Caffeinate, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25If it weren't for Rawstory, we wouldn't even HEAR the truth. Do you have a problem with facts?
- ichbinladen, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26Incinerate.
- Kmack928, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24sorry, let me make that more clear. McGovern will be torn apart, baselessly, on fox news.
i guaren ***** tee it. - zweben, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23Kudos to Tucker for a surprisingly objective and open minded interview, considering the weight of McGovern's claims.
- TexMurphy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Very good 54 min. video Interview with 27-Year CIA Veteran Ray McGovern about Bush, Bush use of military torture and Bush Neocon Politics in the intelligence community.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Au_OqNCYk - thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Lets see the evidence... and if he's guilty... Throw his ass in jail.
- popothebright, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15I just want to take this moment to remember the beautiful exchange of words that Mr. Tucker Carlson had with Mr. John Stewart:
Tucker to Stewart: "You're much funnier on your show".
Stewart to Tucker: "Really? You're much more of a dick in person"
... an exchange that will go down in the annals of television history. And will haunt Carlson's pathetic little career until he retires.
ps: Impeach Cheney. - Kmack928, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17the group who forced the administration to take that info out of 2 speeches PRIOR to Bush using it in the state of the union address?
Or was it the group who leaked joe wilsons wifes name to the press after he debunked the claim? (which is from a small list of people, cheney, card, rice and bush if memory serves.).
Im going to go with the latter. i bet it was that ***** cheney who would be enough of a coward to attack a mans wife. when all that man did was tell the ***** truth. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15I can't say exactly why I feel this way, but this story looks to have a LOT of meat on the bone.
I am making the bold prediction that this forged document turns out to be the piece that finally gets Chaney.
Ray McGovern shows no signs of grandstanding, but does show signs of being sick of the *****, and having the goods hidden away. I will wait this one out, and save this post when I am right. - knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18yes, cheney that no good son of a bitch. how many people have died over this, and that memo was the slip that started this avalanche of death.
- carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20the bird shot didn't kill him though, i'm predecting they go on a moose hunting trip.
- olik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Carlo Bonini is all over the place saying that it was two people in the Italian intelligence service who crafted what they knew we wanted to see so they could sell it to us. He even has the names and whereabouts of these people. Maybe Ray McGovern has evidence they got it from Cheney. The rest of his story is that it was Cheney who got all hot and bothered about it and kept asking to see more in intelligence breifings on it.
More here: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9847141 - ksadya, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13If it's taken them 4 years to catch this HUGE lie, how many small lies are they still hiding? Oh yeah, that's right, everyone who's attempted to investigate them has been fired.
- jlhoben, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Nothing will happen - congress is too weak minded.
- Kmack928, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17well duh!
now he will face the Fox News Character Assassination.
just watch. - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11@thcobbs, did you wait for your cue? Well timed, man.
Find anything McGovern has said that turned out to be wrong. He's simply being careful. And as for MSNBC, how many networks let McGovern on the air anymore, since he pulls no punches and calls Cheney a liar directly. He's honest, but not entirely presentable for the primetime car-buying audience. - Caffeinate, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10True Republicans wish for a trial under the Constitution. Chicken-***** Republicans want to pander to the idiots. Pick which one you wish to side with. If you are a true Republican you will call for the head of Bush, Cheney and Rice because of crap like this. It doesn't take an education to understand "valor" "decency" and "honor".
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Refute what?
- Cronof, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I hope he releases the evidence soon, if he actually has it, because sooner Cheney leaves the better the country is.
- EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I assume you mean Cheney.
- knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9it's thoughts like this that let normal people comprehend the insanity going on in washington DC.
who can comprehend someone being okay with not only condoning, but inciting such massive carnage? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"Book deal."
Let the denial and spin commence! - Kmack928, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9aww poor baby! everywhere you turn people are waking up to reality! don't worry, you will still find a safe harbour for your idealogies somewhere.
unfortunatly for you, as more and more facts come to light, you're going to find less and less people who agree with the administration.
unless you are smart, and realize that what you said, if true, is a good thing : ) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@mikelieman
I wish I could Digg you up 20 times. Excellent post, and right on the money. - knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9not according to tony snow today, moron.
get with the neo-con program or line up facing the wall with your hands behind your head. - FunkyPits, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Very nice Mike the time line is a great reminder how long and how far this has gone. Just wondering how long it would take Rush, Rove, and O'Reilly to no-spin this one into cotton candy and lollipops or yellow cake and anthrax.
- omgTHEPATRIOTS, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Cheney will be impeached by the summer. it's going to be the summer of love babay
- Kmack928, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9if only americans would wake up to that reality...
- Kmack928, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7i preffered when he called him out on the bow tie. you'll notice what carlson doesnt wear anymore...
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@subman
The situation may be that our government has been coopted by a foreign government. That would amount to adherence to our enemies by the people within our government that aided this act. - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@subman,
"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."
9/12/01, an unknown number of well-connected Saudis were given "aid and comfort" (in the form of flights out of the US when no flights were allowed) by Bush and Cheney. It was obvious from the 9/11 flight manifests that Saudi-born agents (of al Qadea, and perhaps other covert services as well -- Saudi and/or the ISI) were behind the attack, and some of those who were aided and comforted out of the US before interrogations could happen might have critical information, or may have been involved. There has never been a proper explanation for why these people were allowed to leave before questioning.
That, my friend, is treason. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Oh you big baby. Would you like it to be a bit more politically correct?
- Kmack928, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7.......... you might as well say the washington post leaked it.
but guess what, they heard it from the source, the actual leak is at the very top. obviously whoever actually leaked it wasnt going to do it himself (or herself) they dont have the guts. they send it down the line - theelectricafro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Besides the case of conspiracy to defraud there if also the very real case of neglegent homicide/genocide. They cannot agrue that they lied to start the war. These lies would knowingly lead to the deaths of many American Soldiers and Iraqi Nationals. Where is Jack McCoy when you need him?
- Kmack928, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7you make an excellent point there. though i think that mcgovern might have a little more inside knowledge on the matter than fox news, so id still say his attack on cheney will be less baseless than thet hypothetical attacks im predicting fox news will launch
very good point though, and just like the point i was making, only time will tell. who knows, fox may not even cover it, or they may applaud mcgovern and condemn cheney. - gooddaysunshine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5'it seems like it's just a vendetta'
M for Mineta
http://video.google.com/url?docid=7797944525480443766&esrc=sr1&ev=v&q=mineta&vidurl=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DbDfdOwt2v3Y&usg=AL29H21OWOWcqwrKTnxo_owOomhQ9BA7Wg - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@subman
The yellowcake document was created to further the treason. - robdiggity, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11Uhuhuhuhuuhuhuhuhuuhuhuhu....huhuhuhuuhuhuhuuhuhu...
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