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- magicmarker44, on 05/20/2009, -12/+272blind patriotism leads to fascism... just like in nazi germany...
- pintomp3, on 05/21/2009, -9/+127The CIA only does things like overthrowing democratic governments to install dictators, assassinate world leaders, and fabricate intelligence to lead the country into war. It would never mislead anyone.
- principle, on 05/20/2009, -11/+98Let us say that Pelosi lied. What exactly she is guilty of? Since she did not testify to Congress on torture, the only thing you can get her on is the failure of the oath to support the Constitution 5 USC 3331, and if she is found guilty, she will be removed from office. Now what about her accusers the CIA and the entire chain of command? Well, if they are lucky, under title 18 Section 2441 “War crimes” / “Common Article 3” they may get life in prison, and if not death.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/18/ ...
If I was in their shoes, I would not tempt Pelosi, or they just may get a real prosecutor. - m0n0kr0m3, on 05/21/2009, -13/+87Questioning the CIA became unpatriotic during the Bush Presidency....DUH!!! You know, when everyone put US Flags on their cars and cheesy yellow ribbon magnets as well as bumperstickers that said God Bless America. When patriotism crossed the line and became fascism. Remember?
- MSSS, on 05/20/2009, -18/+88it's only unAmerican to oppose the CIA if Democrats do it; if Repubicans do it, it's patriotic!
It's outrageous that they've accused Pelosi -- who had NO POWER at the time of any of these SECRET meetings, where she was not even allowed to take notes -- as if Pelosi (not the Republicans in charge of the White House and Congress) were somehow responsible for allowing the Waterboarding to proceed.
If Pelosi had objected publicly at the time of those meetings, she would have been accused of violating secrecy rules and 'exposing' the U.S. and the CIA.
Catch 22! - inactive, on 05/21/2009, -6/+65I think the CIA really needs to be investi
- schnikies79, on 05/21/2009, -5/+55If you truly believe either side, you're an idiot.
I'm sure the CIA is leaving out all sorts of information and Pelosi can't keep her story straight. - vuke69, on 05/21/2009, -6/+38Hey, has anyone seen awesomeR0B0T? I was just talking to him a minu
- jitterbits, on 05/21/2009, -1/+32Well, if the jackboot fits...
- ZenMojo, on 05/21/2009, -0/+28Nice of the CIA to hit "save comment" after killing that dude mid-sentence.
- robinthehood, on 05/21/2009, -1/+27If Pelosi lied, which as a realist I have no doubt of, she'll be proven to be a politician. Big whoop.
The media is so concerned with cleaning the ***** out of the plumbing that they're oblivious to the fact that the plumbing is on the Titanic. - SpinningHead, on 05/21/2009, -0/+23If Pelosi covered for torture, Id like to give her the boot. However, I cannot measure the absurdity of republicans who defended and covered for torture going after Pelosi for not speaking out about it. Its like me criticizing the cops for not busting me when I burned down the neighbors house.
- inactive, on 05/21/2009, -1/+23Neither of them ever existed.
- SpinningHead, on 05/21/2009, -4/+25Can I digg you 10xs? "Trust the CIA" sounds like it should be followed by a laugh track.
- trevor98, on 05/21/2009, -7/+28The SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, 3rd in line for the presidency stated that the CIA lied to congress. If anyone believed her, the CIA should absolutely be investigated. By herself, she has the power to investigate the CIA but she has no support. Not even the NYT believes her- they buried the initial story. What a biased POS article.
- inactive, on 05/21/2009, -3/+23or just like the last 8 years? same thing. Sorry, last 6 or so years. By the 6-7th year of bush's reign, people started wising up.
- angusm, on 05/21/2009, -6/+26It's brilliant political sleight of hand. Suddenly the story is not about Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld - who authorized and ordered waterboarding and other techniques (possibly before they had even obtained the favorable legal opinions saying that what they wanted to do wasn't "torture") but about Pelosi who may (or may not) have failed to speak up at the time.
It's as if your buddies robbed a bank and you responded by singling out one of the witnesses and shouting "You _knew_ there was a bank robbery going on - why didn't you do anything? Disgraceful!" At the same time, one of the bank robbers (an elderly white-haired man known only as "Dick") is still insisting publicly that the bank robbery was legal and necessary, and condemning his successor for not having the courage to keep robbing banks.
If they pull this one off, I really will believe that you can eat your cake and have it too. - inactive, on 05/21/2009, -1/+19I can't read the article, its currently down... but I just want to say that the fact that we can question any kind of government agency or authority is a virtue of this nation. By practicing it, we show our respect for those who died maintaining this privilege.
- seanayb, on 05/21/2009, -7/+25For ***** sake.
This isn't about being American or unAmerican. No intelligent person is mad at Pelosi for being unAmerican, that's just *****. We're mad at Pelosi for being a lying ***** who was complacent to ***** torture for a longass time and only decided to ditch the bandwagon when it looked like it would negatively affect her image. And it SURE as ***** isn't about being red or blue, ***** two-party hacks' desire to make us think everything ought to be discussed in those terms notwithstanding. - Chordonblue, on 05/21/2009, -11/+27To me, it wasn't the fact that the CIA mislead Pelosi, it was the fact that she had FIVE different versions of the story. When you have to continue reading a statement and can't just look a reporter in the face and say what you feel is the truth, it's probably not the truth.
If you took a (fill in the blank) Republican and he was accused and responded in a similar manner, you'd have Code Pink and all the other shrill crazies demanding her ouster and opening mocking the 'CIA lied to me' defense. Same intensity, different polarity, wash, rinse, repeat. - inactive, on 05/21/2009, -4/+20“Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.”
-Thomas Jefferson - TheXboxReview, on 05/21/2009, -3/+19Yep, you have to keep in mind that George H.W. Bush was director of the CIA for a long time...
- vbullinger, on 05/21/2009, -4/+19Does anyone know where vuke69 is? I wanted to ask him abo
- SpruceCaboose, on 05/21/2009, -1/+16Could we just ignore party lines and toss out all the asshats who want to use torture as a viable interrogation method, who destroy our relationships with other nations, who lie to us, and who make concessions to lobby groups at the expense of the general public?
- inactive, on 05/21/2009, -2/+17"A politician lying about something like this SHOULD be a big deal."
Then start with the Bush Administration. Their officers were caught lying many times. Rumsfeld alone was caught in lies more than once after his briefings, and let us not even start on Cheney.
When there is equable treatment for all the liars, then we can proceed. At the moment, the vilification of Pelosi is a partisan tactic by the Right, nothing more. They have no intention of holding anyone else up to this standard. - AndrewDB, on 05/21/2009, -2/+16Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we impeach a president for lying to us Principle?
Its the .. hate to say it, principle of the things, the people we elect in to office should be honest with us. - inactive, on 05/21/2009, -8/+22Since Fox News started accusing citizens who didn't support Bush Jr's war of the same thing.
- TheXboxReview, on 05/21/2009, -4/+18Haha, nice
- joshthegreat200, on 05/21/2009, -6/+20Of course, questioning any government official is un-american!
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The republicans are. Well.. The patriot act, wire tapping, pardoning themselves from possible prosecution, telling you its anti-american to question them. I just.. I just dont know what the ***** to say anymore. - LeeMaple, on 05/21/2009, -1/+14You would be correct if the line dividing left and right weren't something created by a top notch writing staff and the media. No one is going to jail over this, it's not in the script. Hopefully the next few episodes stay away from the steroids in baseball arc, that was weak sauce.
- drinkthepill, on 05/21/2009, -6/+19The rules are pretty simple. It's patriotic to question the government and fear it's growing power over the citizens of our nation when it is not run by republicans. When the government is run by republicans, you are to have the same unwavering, unconditional, faith and trust that you would have in Jesus.. Anything less than that would mean you love the terrorists. You don't love the terrorists do you? /s
- AndrewDB, on 05/21/2009, -0/+13Well, then it's high time we take Bush, Cheney and Pelosi to court.
They can't back down from the facts that have been presented now. - vtnerd, on 05/21/2009, -9/+22Pelosi lied. First she wasn't briefed, then she was briefed but they misled her....riiiiight. Next it will be another story.
Sorry Democrats, at least one of your own knew about what was going on and did nothing. Don't get defensive, it's not a personal attack on all Democrats. React with the same outrage you're showing towards Bush and everyone else that knew about the torture and did nothing.
This isn't a partisan issue. Torture is a human rights issue, not a Democrat vs. Republican talking point. If she knew, and it is very likely that she did, then everyone needs to come down on her as hard as they are coming down on everyone else in the Republican party that knew, right? - Rahodeb, on 05/21/2009, -1/+14Saying "big whoop" is exactly why the culture of corruption exists. We have to hold everyone accountable. A politician lying about something like this SHOULD be a big deal.
- FredFredrickson, on 05/21/2009, -1/+13Well said, I completely agree. Whether or not Pelosi knew about it is irrelevant at this point. The fact that our former president and his staff knew about it, authorized it, and did it is of much greater importance.
- SpinningHead, on 05/21/2009, -5/+17Conservatives always seem to confuse nationalism with patriotism (which involves criticism of the government...and not just when a democrat is in office)
- inactive, on 05/21/2009, -20/+31Anyone who watched Pelosi's last press conference could see she was lying.
- inactive, on 05/21/2009, -3/+14People who make the statements "everybody knows" or "everyone can see that.." are making the Argumentum ad populum fallacy; it concludes a view to be true because many people believe it - which is completely untenable. In other words, they are full of *****.
On a basic level, judging Pelosi's appearance at a press conference is subjective, unless you are a psychologist trained to spot the nuances of micro-expressions in body language. Which rbii is clearly not. - inactive, on 05/21/2009, -7/+18The United States Federal Government is the most un- American group that exists.
- AndrewDB, on 05/21/2009, -0/+10Oh, I totally agree.
I'd think that covering for torture is worse than lying about your -personal- sex life. - pwnshaman, on 05/21/2009, -7/+17lets just see what comes out of this. clearly pelosi is not telling the truth since her version of what the CIA briefed her on keeps changing. Even if the CIA did withhold info, it doesn't remove the fact that Pelosi has been lying and has betrayed the trust of the republic.
- FredFredrickson, on 05/21/2009, -1/+11Why would anyone care if the woman from Roe v. Wade changed her mind or not? That doesn't detract from the importance or significance of the decision that was made at that trial.
- icyice982, on 05/21/2009, -1/+11From the start Pelosi should have just said "yes I was briefed on it, yes I went along with it. At the time it wasn't long after 9/11 and I let my fear get the best of me, going along with something I shouldn't have supported. Now I see the error of my ways and wish I had spoken out sooner." Voila, no controversy, no lying through her teeth, and everyone could spend their time one actual issues.
The fact that politicians think that the average person is so stupid that they can lie blatantly to us is a bit disheartening. - Rudegar, on 05/21/2009, -2/+12not sure why republicans would keep digging at her lying
when the thing she lied about was not knowing about
crimes against humanity don by the republican administration ??? - inactive, on 05/21/2009, -3/+13and then she is no better than bush and company? I agree throw pelosi underbus if it leads to sending bush and ***** to jail.
the bush administration is 100% guilty of betraying the public trust. send them to jail. - robinthehood, on 05/21/2009, -8/+18Groupthink. Gotta love it.
- teebird, on 05/21/2009, -1/+10The problem with this tack is that key GOP leaders, among them, Pete Hoekstra, who has been among those calling for Speaker Pelosi's head, have also accused the CIA of having lied or misled them, but selective memory seems to be at work here.
The other problem I have with the talk about this controversy is how often "national security" or "keeping us safe" or :"preventing another terrorist attack" rears its head in the discourse, as if anything can be allowed or excused on those grounds. - ftx437, on 05/21/2009, -6/+151. She never questioned the cia she flat out lied
2. No one I've heard said anything about this being anti-american. NOT 1 Person! oh wait thats right the left wing nut jobs are the ones saying that what we are saying is that "questioning the cia is anti american"
3. If she said they lied then provide proof. - Jsmuli2, on 05/21/2009, -3/+12I dugg u up. Yes Dems have a similar way of handling their blame game, but what you forgot to add to your comment was "So I guess both sides are equally as bad" which is the truth.
Sadly, most politicians on both sides of the political divide aren't concerned about solving problems for good, instead they rely on temporary solutions, such as a the bailouts, stimulus package, and of course, blame game.
Remember, creating a common enemy in our kind of world is a short cut for "peace." V for Vendetta and Watchmen are the two of the best examples of that in literature, while the middle east and Islam have been made into the best example in America. -
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