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- sHockz, on 06/25/2008, -17/+74women quit your bitching. what you have to pay more for health insurance?! cry cry cry a damn river.
i am a male. and guess what, i got f'kd in the butt by my car insurance company while u got to zip around well under my rates. why?? because of the statistics showing young male drivers having more collisions that other age/gender groups.
so if you want to talk about discrimination in that way, we have a very big argument here. should it be height discrimination because roller coasters dont accommodate midgets? i mean seriously... - bitt3n, on 06/25/2008, -5/+46If women use more health services, but pay the same rate as men, then would they not be paying less for the services they receive than men do? If she wants to argue discrimination, she needs to explain clearly why she believes men should subsidize women's services. This is not an insupportable position, but the issue is more complicated than she makes it sound.
- dromeditor, on 06/25/2008, -11/+48"Edwards explains that health care insurers “‘rate-up’ my insurance bill for not only my status as a breast cancer patient, but also my gender,” noting that women are forced to pay more for health insurance"
Oh, you mean how I pay a ridiculous amount more for car insurance because I'm a male between the ages of 18 and 25, despite never having been in an accident.
And also that someone who has had many accidents has to pay more for insurance. Or how smokers have to pay more for insurance. And people with dangerous cars, and dangerous jobs?
Seriously, run an insurance company and make everyone pay the same rate, see how long you last. The people with a higher rate of using the insurance money pay a higher rate. - SheilaNoya, on 06/24/2008, -22/+51McCain's plan discriminates against anyone who gets their healthcare insurance from their employer too.
Part of McCain's plan is to give "up to" a $5,000 tax credit to families to pay for insurance (even though the average cost is now over $12,000 for a family of 4). However, McCain's plan also removes the "burden" placed on businesss by taking away the tax break they get for providing insurance for their employees.
If you want your healthcare insurance dropped by your employer, then vote for McCain. Good luck finding insurance on your own, especially if you have a pre-existing condition (which McCain's plan doesn't address). You'll also be paying a lot more for your insurance, since your employer won't be providing it as an employee benefit, under McCain's plan. See how far McCain's $5,000 "tax credit" will get you when you price out new insurance for your family. - Gman1223, on 06/25/2008, -8/+33It's only unfair when it's discrimination against blacks and women.
- schuder, on 06/25/2008, -11/+34Give men a say in whether or not to keep the child first, then get equal pay. Until that day, you have the unequal right to make a man pay or care for a child he may want (while on the converse you can abort a child he may want), while we will pay less. Fair is fair. Do you want an equal society or a sham with extra rights because you're a woman?
- inactive, on 06/25/2008, -21/+41Or we could actually privatize insurance so that insurance companies could compete, driving the price DOWN, so people could afford it.
Doctors say they need to hire, on average, 2-3 people just to fill out reams of paperwork required by the government.
Oh, and lock up thugs like Edwards who sue doctors for millions (thus driving up the price of insurance) when they give birth to babies with pre-existing defects. - vexingmodstwo, on 06/25/2008, -1/+21I'm pretty sure it has something to do with actuarial tables more than John McCain. Buried.
- inactive, on 06/25/2008, -4/+24"McCain discriminates against [Insert political, social or ethnic group you are trying to steer to your side here]."
- lynx44, on 06/25/2008, -4/+23Makes sense to me. People who use medical services more often have to pay more. Why is it that even though I've never been in an accident I still have to pay twice as much as women on my car insurance? Its business and statistics, people that are more likely to use more services have to pay more. Also, if we go nationalized explain why should I have to pay more in taxes because someone else uses the service more?
- alexcornswalled, on 06/25/2008, -4/+22I know I'll be buried for this, but in a free market system, if your health care expenses are going to be more than average, you SHOULD pay more than average. Would Edwards complain if smokers had to pay more for health insurance?
- inactive, on 06/25/2008, -10/+26Yeah, the liberals on Digg always point fingers at Fox News and say how incredibly biased that outfit is...but then reference Huffington Post and Thinkprogress and are shocked...SHOCKED to see that people think such websites are biased too.
- ender7074, on 06/25/2008, -37/+53Ahhh more bias non-news from a hyperliberal ***** site on the front page of Digg. What a suprise.
- Digger1218, on 06/25/2008, -0/+15I wish I could digg you up 100. My girlfriend has had 4 accidents, I've had zero. Yet I still pay more than she does. WTF??
- Volath, on 06/25/2008, -0/+14I was just about to bring up the car insurance example myself. dug.
- HumpyMcGee, on 06/25/2008, -5/+17John Edwards, her husband, Sued so many OB/GYN doctors for Malpractice, that most left North Carolina, or stop practicing obstetrics. You wanna have a baby, you have to go cross state lines. Edwards made MILLIONS on these cases. So I think she should be able to afford Medical insurance. Guys do you really want the government to manage a health care system? Look at what a good jub they do w/ the DMV, Mail Service, ect ect....
PS: I hate Politics.
http://www.fumento.com/fumento/edwards2007.html - mediaspree, on 06/25/2008, -13/+25The "Get In the Kitchen And Bake Me a Pie" clause is of particular frustration to women.
- 0xbaadf00d, on 06/25/2008, -5/+16right, we just get to pay child support.
- dinoman1989, on 06/25/2008, -8/+19Men pay more for auto insurance than women do.
- inactive, on 09/04/2008, -0/+10This is enough to Bury this as Inaccurate.
Elizabeth Edwards simplified this way to much by pointing out one example (pregnancy) and one health care provider (Blue Cross of California) in her generalization that McCains health care plan discriminates against women. It would have been better if she had multiple one to one comparisons between women and men matched up with a variety of health care providers. - Hetman, on 06/25/2008, -1/+10What about life insurance? It seems like women would pay less for life insurance because on average they live longer then men. Maybe in the end it is all even.
- Hetman, on 06/25/2008, -0/+9You know what I am pissed about. People in Florida pay more for hurricane insurance than people in Tennessee. I demand everyone pay the same amount for hurricane insurance. All I want is equality. Is that asking to much from this country?
- inactive, on 06/25/2008, -1/+10http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html
One example:
"We should remember that HMOs did not arise because of free-market demand, but rather because of government mandates. The HMO Act of 1973 requires all but the smallest employers to offer their employees HMO coverage, and the tax code allows businesses – but not individuals – to deduct the cost of health insurance premiums. The result is the illogical coupling of employment and health insurance, which often leaves the unemployed without needed catastrophic coverage. " - shaka999, on 06/25/2008, -1/+10Unbelievable...
- modustollens, on 06/25/2008, -2/+11I just came back from my 'daydream land' and I brought some facts with me: the health care cost per capita in the US is much higher than here in Canada: "In 2005, per-capita spending for health care in the U.S. was US$6,401; in Canada, US$3,326. The U.S. spent 15.3% of GDP on health care in that year; Canada spent 9.8%."
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/health_costs ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_and_American ...
In other words, your ad hominem is nothing but ill-informed and useless childlike banter that does not affect the facts of the matter in the least. - MxM111, on 06/25/2008, -2/+10So, why it is OK to have other factors in the insurance such as age, number of children, medical history, occupation, but not gender if there is a statistical correlation with it. If you argue against gender discrimination, then argue against all other factors, because they have similar structure - insurance company sees correlation - they adjust premium.
BTW, I am not arguing for or against, I just say BE CONSISTENT! - kuatto, on 06/25/2008, -3/+11I guess she knows a lot about the subject. After all, her husband made tens of millions of dollars by suing doctors because babies had cerebral palsy. I'm sure driving up the cost of health care was worth it... hey how else could he afford his $400 haircuts.
- dromeditor, on 06/25/2008, -0/+8Exactly. All these insurance companies are forced, by state and federal laws, to cover a multitude of issues a majority of their customers do not have or do not want to have covered, thus making prices on standard insurance sky high. If I'm a female who can't get pregnant or who has no plans to get pregnant, my insurance MUST cover pregnancy medical costs.
***** paying for ***** I don't need. Thanks, government. - Digger1218, on 06/25/2008, -1/+9Dry Cleaning: You pay more because women's clothes are usually made of more delicate fibers than mens suits and require more careful handling.
Pay more for clothes: Prices are only high because women prove they are willing to pay them. Buy cheaper alternatives and the price will eventually fall.
Less Money than Men: Be more aggressive in the workplace and ask for more money
Kept out of jobs: Example please.
Military: Bonafide occupational requirements of combat favor men over women due to physical size, strength etc. - shaka999, on 06/25/2008, -1/+9BS.
Until the man can choose to keep/support/adopt said baby its not fair. Its not fair that in any custody battle the women have the upper hand (by far). Its not fair to the women that they have to carry the baby but its not fair to the man that they can't have that experience.
No, nothing about it is fair. - hamobu, on 06/25/2008, -1/+9Women live longer then men, and that is why their life insurance is cheaper. There are advantages and disadvantages to both genders. It is wrong to take one aspect of gender difference and cry unfairness.
Now it may seem like a good idea to charge everyone equally, but then people who are better risks quit, and people who are higher risks purchase more. Over time only pregnant cancer patients with diabetes will be buying insurance and premiums will be ridiculously expensive. In insurance this is called anti-selection. Solution to anti-selection is to remove the choice and force everyone to buy insurance. However I do not see any candidate supporting that (except maybe Nader) - inactive, on 06/25/2008, -6/+13Yeah, forgot about that one. I had heard that Edwards was an ambulance-chasing attorney like that.
Sorry. Elizabeth Edwards has zero credibility any more. - Digger1218, on 06/25/2008, -2/+9On the wage issue, be more aggressive with your employer. If women show they are willing to work for less, they will be paid less. Most companies don't hand out raises.
- Hetman, on 06/25/2008, -1/+8How about women and men for that matter take sex more serious. If you spend more time deciding what car to buy than who you are sleeping with you have some messed up priorities in life.
- Gman1223, on 06/25/2008, -2/+9First of all, don't ***** spam us with that blog, nobody cares. You wanna know why women don't go into combat? 'Cause there ain't nobody that will help you when you get raped by the person you're fighting. Not to mention the fact that the US military can't keep their own male soldiers from raping their own female soldiers.
Kept out of what other jobs? List me a job that women are kept out of that isn't because of physical ability.
We're crying over car insurance? ***** you, seriously. We're crying about the fact that over the last 30 ***** years, feminists have put it in the minds of everybody that men are rapists and child molesters.
Or the fact that laws regarding rape and molestation are horribly biased against men. What about the fact that fathers fear walking down the street and going to the park with their own children because someone might think you're "stealing" those children to do, you know, sexual things with, because, we are all sex perverts.
Or the fact that men always get the raw end of the deal in divorce, what about that? Yeah, we men have nothing to ***** cry about. While you're sitting here bitching about how bad women have it, why don't you try looking elsewhere and seeing what other wrongs that are being done to other people. - neognostic, on 06/24/2008, -29/+36I have a great deal of respect for this woman. Even though she was a strong supporter of HRC, she is already working with Obama on the very important issue of health coverage for all Americans. Bravo!
- sulthernao, on 06/25/2008, -0/+7Elizabeth Edwards was a strong supporter of HRC? Since when?
- inactive, on 06/25/2008, -3/+9Why does this millionaire who enriched herself from abuse of the legal system and frivolous lawsuits want *more* of my money? How much is enough for the victim class?
- executorzz, on 06/25/2008, -1/+7How do men have control over their insurance rate? I pay more because I'm a man, regardless of how safe I try to drive.
And women don't get paid less because of discrimination.
Read "Economic Facts and Fallacies" by Thomas Sowell. - Loonatickle, on 06/25/2008, -2/+8You can be against nationalized health care and idiot wars.
- houndeyex, on 06/25/2008, -0/+6...and women have a higher probability of having babies?
- Gman1223, on 06/25/2008, -2/+8No, you get the undereducated idiot of the day award.
"YOUR car insurance rates are higher because your gender gets into more at fault accidents with excessive property damage. This is something you have control over."
Uh, I believe that was the point that the people who posted comments to that subject were trying to get across. Seeing as the fact women are more expensive to take care of health wise. Get it? Good... Oh, You don't? Damn, here:
Women cost the insurance company more for health care.
Men cost the insurance company more for car insurance.
Get it now?... Sigh, one last time.
Men pay higher insurance because they get in more crashes.
Women pay more for health insurance because they are more likely to need more medical care.
THERE YOU GO! YOU GOT IT! - Cross5900, on 06/25/2008, -4/+10I'd be upset by this. If men were not discriminated against with car insurance... as if women are the safer drivers...
- shaka999, on 06/25/2008, -1/+7Ahhh, but the women is the only one who can choose for the fetus.
- lpmiller, on 06/25/2008, -6/+12and yet, that doesn't mean McCain doesn't deserve the criticism.
- DiggityCarl, on 06/25/2008, -1/+7I don't care what she thinks any more than I care what the wives of McCain or Obama think.
- johnomaz, on 06/25/2008, -0/+5You are wrong. Young males have a higher risk of having a major accident. Young females have far more smaller accidents.
- nacrotek, on 06/25/2008, -0/+5Socialized health care discriminates against hard working healthy people.
- henrikakselsen, on 06/25/2008, -1/+6As a european, it seems to me that US is run by insurance companies. The less they help people, the more they earn. This case in point just shows how this system will never be fair as long as the insurance industry is in charge.
Why do you let this happen? It's citizens health should be the primary concern of every civilized government. - pe5t1lence, on 06/25/2008, -0/+5Never had a "Tough Break" huh gryphon?
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