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E-Mails Show Derogatory Banter at Secret Service

nytimes.com — Secret Service supervisors engaged in crude sexual jokes and racially derogatory banter about blacks, and passed around an anecdote about a possible assassination of the Rev. Jesse Jackson, according to internal e-mails disclosed in a federal court filing on Friday by lawyers for black Secret Service agents.

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  • verge, on 05/10/2008, -11/+66And these are the folks that are to protect Obama?
    • Pinkertinkle, on 05/10/2008, -4/+20Why yes they are.
      • alilhappything, on 05/10/2008, -2/+8They already are protecting him.
      • AzureRise, on 05/10/2008, -3/+21FIRE THEM AND HIRE NINJAS. Just a suggestion.
        • elDud3rino, on 05/10/2008, -5/+3Good luck. Trust me, you don't find ninjas, they find you. And even then, you don't know about it.
        • cquinnd, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3Does that mean Republicans would have to hire Pirates as a counter move?
    • linagee, on 05/10/2008, -2/+4I am the pusher robot. I am here to protect you.
    • m0n0kr0m3, on 05/10/2008, -3/+5I wonder if they ever passed around emails about rednecks that may or may not be offensive to B. Clinton or G.W. Bush? The main thing I saw that was offensive to me personally as a black man was the noose in the trainers hotel room. Even G.W. denounces this type of behavior, it's not just disrespectful, it's a disgrace.
    • JointVenture, on 05/10/2008, -8/+3Yeah.

      Hiring blacks only didnt work out too well for Malcolm X.
    • ufia, on 05/10/2008, -3/+9In my opinion there is a difference between posting "***** stole my bike" jokes through email, and threatening black instructors with a noose. The former is most likely harmless fun which doesn't necessary makes them racist, they probably go drink a beer at the pub with black people at the end of the day. While the later is damn right psycho, he should be tracked down as soon as ***** possible before he does anything stupid, like you know, attempting to assassinate a black president candidate for instance.
    • paigeinphilly, on 05/12/2008, -0/+0lol..yeh i was kinda thinking the same thing.

      Obama/ Webb 08
  • JedicodeWarrior, on 05/10/2008, -19/+13This really doesn't suprise me, look at the bigots they're assigned to protect.
  • MaryCait, on 05/10/2008, -2/+33this is why none of us can ever become important...
    our digg comments alone are enough to make us look like douches
    • taradisiac, on 05/10/2008, -4/+4lol you linked your real identity to your digg account?
  • Zcott, on 05/10/2008, -8/+31This is really no different to any other workplace, ever.
    • EarlOfLade, on 05/10/2008, -6/+14That, in itself, is scary enough.
      Racism and religion - USA in a nutshell.
      • ElAssoWipo, on 05/10/2008, -4/+6Every country in the world with a lot of different ethnicities in a nutshell.

        Humans are racist. Chinese hate tibetans and nepalese, Japanese hate Koreans, French Canadians hate anglophones, Americans hate everybody, French hate arabs, etc. etc. etc.

        There's not a country in this world that's devoid of racism. Even the inuits are racist.

        And if they don't have multiple ethnicities, they still hate each other! In Italy they'll hate the people that live in a different neighborhood of the same ***** town! (does not apply to all of Italy of course, ever been to the Palio though?)

        In some places it's just more clear than others.
        • trntman, on 05/10/2008, -3/+2if its everywhere what makes you think that its racism? couldn't you just as easily assume that humans hate each other. from what I've seen people tend to hate people regardless of their ethnicity. just some people like to classify the people they dislike by something trivial such as the fact that that person has parents of a different ethnicity than they.
          • ElAssoWipo, on 05/10/2008, -3/+3Hating people you know: not racism.
            Hating people you don't know because of their ethnicity: racism.
          • toddcat, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2If you hate someone on account, not of their personality or their identity, but simply because they are of a certain race, you are a racist.
          • ElAssoWipo, on 05/10/2008, -1/+3Well actually, you don't even need to hate them, just judge them based on their race.

            Because saying some ***** like black people are good dancers or asians are good at math is also racist.
          • toddcat, on 05/10/2008, -0/+3That's true-but for sure hating them because of their race is racist.
          • BearinG, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1What about saying black guys have big penises.. is that racist?
        • Tyrghast, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2I don't hate anyone *takes another hit from the j*
        • toddcat, on 05/10/2008, -2/+1I don't think humans are racist. That's a bit of an oversimplification. And quite frankly, I'm glad the Secret Service agents are filing their lawsuit. Reading these comments, it seems many people are at peace with this racism. If you want a better world, this should make you mad.
          • ElAssoWipo, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2What better world?

            A world where you control people's opinions through authority?

            Enforcing morality and ethics with force? ***** for abstinence? War for peace?



          • ElAssoWipo, on 05/10/2008, -2/+1And even if they do lose their jobs, get sued, get shipped to Alaska and get raped by a Walrus: will they be any less racist?
        • toddcat, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2I said IF you want a better world....
      • Zcott, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1It's not just the USA; it happens here in the UK. And everywhere else. Casual racism is everywhere.
    • darny, on 05/10/2008, -0/+9It's one thing to be stupid enough to make racist jokes at work, it's another thing to do it through email, and a whole other thing to do it using secret service email. Please.
    • underdugg, on 05/10/2008, -1/+14Wait -- you joke about killing fellow Americans in your workplace?

      Your workplace refuses to promote Blacks?

      Your workplace gets away with refusing a court order?

      Where do you work?
    • toddcat, on 05/10/2008, -0/+5Still doesn't make it right.
    • Thing2, on 05/10/2008, -3/+3What he means is that - these are mostly joke e-mails and guys opinions. This isn't the official standpoint of the Secret Service. If you work in an office environment you understand that this helps improve morale when you can chuckle at something. If you don't...you just don't get it. Stop looking for the next "scandal" - this isn't it.
      • toddcat, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2No...apparently you don't get it. This is the problem. This sort of stuff needs to be eliminated. Nooses, racist jokes, jokes about Jesse Jackson's death. This sort of stuff is not acceptable.
      • cquinnd, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1We make moron jokes at work, the difference is morons come on all shapes, sizes, colors, religious and sexual orientations, and when you joke about morons in general, it is with the understanding that you and all your co-workers are on the same side (not morons).
  • Monolith4, on 05/10/2008, -32/+76Who friggin cares? The article itself says they were JOKES. You expect these people to be emotionless cyborgs?

    These people have gone through years of training and discipline to get this job -- when the time comes, they do what they're supposed to -- THEY PROTECT THE PACKAGE. Do you think every solider fighting Hitler on D-Day was free from off-color jokes? Gee, who do you think originated the "france always surrenders" joke, anyway? Maybe those very grunts who still went ahead and gave their lives to bring europe freedom from fascism...?

    Honestly, it's ridiculous how much weight is given to humans acting like humans. i.e., imperfect. Grow up.
    • AWBoy666, on 05/10/2008, -7/+7Good man.
    • soumynona, on 05/10/2008, -12/+10bury.
    • pablo0713, on 05/10/2008, -16/+16These people spreading these jokes are probably white. I think white people NEED to joke about racism to excuse themselves from being perpetrators of racism for so long. Why is it that white people feel the need to have to joke about racism all the time? From Spencer's Dunk fiasco to hanging out in almost any online game listening to white people say ***** all the time. What is the deal? Why do you people think it is cool to be offensive these days? This is not a mark of open-mindedness. It just reveals you as the foolish and insensitive people you always were.
      • EarlOfLade, on 05/10/2008, -8/+9I'm white as hell and I agree 100% with you. Too bad the same morons are burying you.
        • Monolith4, on 05/10/2008, -4/+8Maybe because jokes are JOKES, not actions?

          Maybe because the point of comedy isn't to be all-inclusive and kumbayah, but to get a laugh out of people? Maybe because the world is already full of serious *****, and most people think comedy shouldn't be censored because a few people take it too seriously?
        • jamdownboi, on 05/10/2008, -1/+4well this is just speaking from my p.o.v. but last time I checked, comedy, does not need to be racist or demeaning in any way shape or form to be funny...and just to let you know, the "serious *****" you refer to is taken a little more seriously than by just a "few people". You clearly are a great example of being insensitive towards the subject...change your ways and open your eyes... Thanks.
          • BearinG, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1Yeah but if we can't laugh at racism, religion, short people, dumb people, fat people, woman, blondes, music stars, politicians etc...

            what else is there? "Last summer I was at a local park... you should have seen that dog! It was hilarious! It was running in the fields.. then it stopped and started chewing on a wooden stick."

            Seriously though, i agree that some jokes are just cruel.. I don't have problems laughing at my self though. There are a lot of "cult" jokes on digg though that we just chuckle even though its wrong on many levels..
        • elDud3rino, on 05/10/2008, -2/+0Hell isn't white, it's an awful shade of fuchsia.
      • shmatt, on 05/10/2008, -4/+6Should've left off that last sentence. Looks like you're just as bad, so FU PABLO
        • BearinG, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1Yeah seriously...
          "It just reveals you as the foolish and insensitive people you always were." sounds a lot like you have a problem with white people.

          That and the fact that you are assuming they are all white.. also assuming everyone saying "*****" on Xbox live is white.. basically most of your post was directly aimed at white people (ONLY..mind you) being offensive.

          Lots of cultures and countries are white.. and still hate each other. Lots of other countries are not white and hate each other. Basing your whole rant on white people is not only stupid and naive but pretty ironic considering you are talking about racism or "a color". That is racism. That's like saying red heads aren't as smart as other hair colors.

          Even though it is wrong, basing it on a country or a culture might be generalizing.. but its probably more accurate then by skin tone.
      • taradisiac, on 05/10/2008, -9/+3I didn't own any slaves, why should I be "sensitive"?
        • elDud3rino, on 05/10/2008, -2/+0Because your ancestors did, and it limited the development of the brains of those who were enslaved. But other than that, all racism is stupidity in it's purest form.
          • taradisiac, on 05/10/2008, -1/+0Yeah, but I didn't. It's not my fault, not even my problem. I don't give a damn about their feelings and they can take their guilt trip elsewhere.
      • toddcat, on 05/10/2008, -0/+6You're right Pablo. I'm white too and find this callousness regarding race horrific.
    • enclaved, on 05/10/2008, -6/+30yeah man, nooses are hilarious.
    • luken7, on 05/10/2008, -2/+6Interesting that while we freed the world from fascism, we increased segregation here at home.
      • Monolith4, on 05/10/2008, -5/+2Yeah, the period between the civil war and the civil rights movement was totally the glory days of slavery.
      • jessehadden, on 05/10/2008, -2/+4I wouldn't really say we freed the world from fascism. I'd say we smacked down the other guy that was trying to establish global domination, then stole his notebook and went to work on our own plan.
    • milkmage, on 05/10/2008, -1/+18sure. hang a noose in your office. see if you don't get invited to a meeting with HR.
    • toddcat, on 05/10/2008, -1/+12Oh yeah, we love us some assassination jokes.
    • sk11, on 05/10/2008, -0/+5"freedom from fascism?"

      You mean like forcing people into camps because of their race?
    • charmaniac, on 05/10/2008, -1/+7No, its not just a joke. These government offices should be held to the same standard that corporations hold their employees. In the modern corporate world, if a high level executive starts shooting around racist e-mails, they will be fired very quickly. Even the appearance of impropriety is wholly unacceptable because it instantly creates an atmosphere of uncertainty and risk. Not just that, but the organization responsible for the safety of the President should not employ supervisors who are so undisciplined that they would make even ONE racist comment through e-mail.
    • mabhatter, on 05/10/2008, -1/+6so the next time some secret service agents are around my town I can break out the impeach bush t-shirts, tote my rifle case around and crack jokes about taking out Darth Cheney? I'm sure they'll see it as "just a joke" too.

      I would get in big trouble for those jokes at my place of business... a steel mill with very crass workers... that behavior is not tolerated in the private sector, why would it be tolerated by people who we are bound by law to comply with if an emergency happens. It's not appropriate for business communication. period.
  • JasonCox, on 05/10/2008, -16/+34BREAKING: The Secret Service makes off-color and inappropriate jokes just like the rest of the country.
    • darny, on 05/10/2008, -3/+14Nobody in my corporate, private organization circulates racist jokes in email, why should they be doing it in our government? To the citizens of this country and to the world this looks like executive branch-sponsored racism. It shouldn't be happening.
      • PhantomRogue, on 05/10/2008, -9/+3Your right, they dont do it in your private mail, they do it through their home mail. Its a ***** joke. If they did not protect him or let something bad happen, THEN this is a story, but until they dont do their job, who ***** cares.
    • UtilityPole, on 05/12/2008, -0/+0If I ever made a slightly racist, sexist, or discriminatory comment in my workplace I'd get called down to HR and canned before I could say, "Hey! Just joking!" In fact, most places I've worked have very little tolerance for this type of behaviour.

      Where the hell do all of you work where this is apparently tolerated? Taco Grande? McDonald's?
  • AWBoy666, on 05/10/2008, -17/+11Love it. They are called JOKES people. Get over it.
  • Typhoon2009, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsxiB5dZNNs
  • yosserhughes, on 05/10/2008, -10/+2How many billion are they suing for?
  • summercrush, on 05/10/2008, -11/+6RACISM RACISM ...

    wait...this is white people knocking black people...right....oh yeah...ok....then...

    RACISM!!
    • Mysk, on 05/10/2008, -7/+10Yep I love the double standard. Endless jokes about whites using various racist terms, on a TV channel specifically for blacks. Yet a white guy cracks one small joke about a black guy and that's a lawsuit. Double standards, aren't they great?
      • spinchange, on 05/10/2008, -4/+5Blacks couldn't drink out of the same water fountains as whites in America- within the last 40-50 years, or so, you know.
        • ninjacob, on 05/10/2008, -8/+10That doesn't matter. IT WAS 50 ***** YEARS AGO. Keep living in the past, doucher.
          • ssn697, on 05/10/2008, -2/+7I couldn't get served at an Italian restaurant outside Atlanta 15 years ago. My kids were called "half breeds" in South Carolina about 10 years ago.

            Yeah, ancient history, douche.
          • summercrush, on 05/10/2008, -3/+1Yea, well i could not get my college education paid for for free for four years because my skin color was not dark enough. We are even.
          • ssn697, on 05/11/2008, -2/+5Hmmm. I spent 6 years in the Navy so I could save up to pay for my education. I paid for my MBA. Why are you so lazy?
          • summercrush, on 05/11/2008, -3/+1are you saying because i am white i am lazy? stupid racist. I hate racist people. I am going to go watch BLACK ENTERTAINMENT NETWORK now...since that is PC and not considered racist.
          • ssn697, on 05/11/2008, -2/+5I am definitely saying you are lazy, since you were just looking for a handout. I am also saying you are stupid. THAT is the real reason you didn't get into college. Your two days worth of comments demonstrate just how big a full on idiot you are.

            If someone offered you a ***** sandwich, you would say "no thanks, I don't like bread".
          • inobla, on 05/11/2008, -2/+3"are you saying because i am white i am lazy?"

            Damn, your reading comprehension sucks.
          • ninjacob, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1anecdotal evidence FTL
          • ninjacob, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1You are the only one who's ever been discriminated against :( Poor you :( It happens to everyone. Stop being a pussy. What do I know? I'm just a diego guinea greaseball.
          • BearinG, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1My girlfriend (which i love very much) is half black but still a visible minority.. I've worked in a federal office for a long time, first as a student, then coop term for college.. i then worked full time for 3 years before being permanent employee. I still think its unfair that she was hired without any competition (where everyone can apply) based on her skills but also because she is a visible minority.. and it is just easier to hire a visible minority.

            The federal government, has quotas to fill in for aboriginal, visible minorities, women.. which i think sucks if they are getting discriminiated against in the workplace... but these are still all forms of discrimination. The way i see it, is its like fighting violence with violence.

            Or gay people wanting to be treated equally but then go out and create a freaking parade. Act normal and you will be treated as normal.

            Don't alienate me because I'm NOT a visible minority.. this is in Canada by the way
        • Sethbacca, on 05/10/2008, -5/+4I particularly love how people don't understand it was other Africans selling us African slaves in the early. But its okay, hate the white man cuz its cool even though none of us replying to this have ever owned slaves. Ya stupid asses.
        • summercrush, on 05/10/2008, -2/+0amen
      • underdugg, on 05/10/2008, -1/+4RTFA, Mysk.

        The emails are just one piece of evidence -- and there is more than one joke. And the employer refused to obey a lawful court order, on multiple occasions. Oh yeah -- and they still haven't released all the evidence.

        And, oh yeah -- the "jokes" include saying that they could kill an American citizen in a terrorist act -- and get away with it.

  • gigasquid, on 05/10/2008, -5/+11Goes to show (again) that underneath all the *****, arrogance and bluster, these SS folks are bigoted little proto-hominids just like the rest of us. Not YOU of course, but the rest of us.
  • AtomicPC, on 05/10/2008, -11/+10So it's like a normal work place?
    • underdugg, on 05/10/2008, -1/+9Your workplace discriminates against Blacks?

      Your workplace refuses to obey court orders?

      Your and your coworkers threaten to kill Americans?

      You and your coworkers get *rewarded & promoted* for threatening to kill Americans?
  • futureisours, on 05/10/2008, -17/+10You diggers are so friggen politically correct and overly sensitive, it's ridiculous. Just be happy WWII wasn't happening now or we'd be dead with the young people today having to protect us. It's friggen JOKING. Don't tell me black people don't do the same to white people. More importantly, it's making fun of these sterotypes and these jokes show how absurd they are, but they are still funny. Telling a racist joke does not racist make.
    • vision777, on 05/10/2008, -5/+4These are the people supposedly ready to give up their lives to protect these people they must be above this otherwise we can see they will not do their job.
    • darny, on 05/10/2008, -4/+4It isn't the point that non-white people may be making the jokes too. The point is that these guys are almost like politicians too, they aren't supposed to have this kind of behavior part of their public, and publicly-funded documented lives. Disgrace, shame on them. Do it on your own time using yahoo or gmail if you need to do it.
    • DarkPrincess74, on 05/10/2008, -2/+5Geez, at what point DOES someone become a racist to you? Do they have to hang someone before you consider them to be derogatory? Keep telling yourself that telling a racist joke doesn't make you racist. A lot of people out there realize this is super offensive and if you were the race that was being made fun of I bet you would think that too.
    • n0gnuz, on 05/10/2008, -5/+2Of course, minority SS agents do the same thing, and probably much worse, given the amount of open anti-white hostility we see from them in other segments of society. The difference is that there aren't any large white organizations (receiving millions of dollars in taxpayer money, no less) to perform these investigations, and there are no national media outlets that would cover the story, except to defend the perps.

      Notice how everyone is assuming these agents were white? Where does it say that none were African American, Native American, Asian American, Mestizo, or mixed?

      If we're going to investigate racism, let's investigate racism...not just the racism that affects our group.
      • vision777, on 05/13/2008, -0/+0They were caught and all you can say is the others must be doing the same thing. Come on they need to face up to what they did and be punished. You talk like whites are mistreated in this country when whites control and own almost everything here. I am sure all the groups you mentioned would gladly trade places in stature with the whites stature in this country.
    • TimDigg, on 05/10/2008, -0/+7actually the blacks who came back from World War 2 came back and could not eat at the same restaurant and the FOUGHT for this country

      oh yea lets forget what happened to the asians...

      http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/dspolitic/pm/1942 ...
    • toddcat, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2No, when someone tells a racist joke, they are racist. It reminds me of that controversy re: Michael Richards when, after he'd said all that ish, Seinfeld and others came out saying, he's not racist........he just said.....all that ish. If you say stuff like that, you're racist. Richards might not even have realized that was in him. And he may regret it. But he's racist.
  • soumynona, on 05/10/2008, -4/+27"The disclosure of the messages follows an incident last month in which a noose was found in a room used by a black instructor at a Secret Service training facility in Beltsville, Md. Agency officials said that episode was under internal investigation."

    What black person wouldn't find that hysterical?
    • ninjacob, on 05/10/2008, -7/+7It's funny because black people get hanged all the time!
      • spinchange, on 05/10/2008, -3/+6It's funny that your account was established in '06. When you get you banned for abuse, your new sockpuppet's troll karma will have to start from 0.
        • thecatcantalk, on 05/11/2008, -2/+2 He's right, you know. Blacks getting attacked by whites makes front-page news from coast to coast because it's a shocking and rare event. Whites getting attacked because they're white doesn't, because it happens all the time and no one thinks it's wrong or immoral to commit hate crimes against white people...presumably to punish them for what some dead guy did to another dead guy, 150 years before anyone you know was born. Now THAT'S racism.

          And ninjacob hilariously pulled the covers on a lot of self-righteous *****. Were the "jokes" gross, vulgar, and totally uncool? Yep. Did they represent any REAL threat? No. Should we throw people in prison for hurting someone's feelings? Should we be allowed to sue people's asses off for hurting our feelings? Because, strangely, a lot of judges will consider hurt feelings legitimate grounds for a civil suit. Pretty ridiculous, if you think about it.

          The last known lynching in the United States occurred in Beaufort, North Carolina...in 1912. But speaking as an Anglo-Saxon who's lived in New Mexico for sixteen years, I can honestly tell you that I have been attacked in the street because of the color of my skin several times, had bottles, beer and garbage flung on me by Mexicans in cars as I walked to work, and had my life threatened by total strangers more times than I can count...all because I'm Guilty of Being White in a public place. Black (and Hispanic) victims of such incidents are front-page news...because they're RARE, and such events are almost unheard-of.

          Blacks DO get murdered all the time, however...by black people.
    • blackdude, on 05/10/2008, -8/+3I didn't find that "histerical" but then again I didn't find it "insulting" either.. who cares.
      • cquinnd, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1Someone who might have other difficulties working in that environment, and not knowing who they could turn to for help in a tight situation.
    • mabhatter, on 05/10/2008, -2/+3that's terrorism... association with known elements like the KKK is implied by that behavior. With the zero-tolerance policy on terrorist they should be shot dead (their knowledge is too valuable to allow them to be fired) They might as well have joked about killing the president... it's equally out of line.
  • Spoomeister, on 05/10/2008, -10/+5Let's see, in the entire history of the Secret Service, with multiple presidents, candidates and other high-profile dignitaries, they have lost exactly... one.
    If ain't broke, don't fix it.
    • Bakebehe, on 05/10/2008, -1/+7Let's see, in the entire history of the Secret Service, with multiple presidents, candidates and other high-profile dignitaries, they have had exactly...no black presidents.

      But yea, I disagree with people saying this would make them less capable of protecting Obama should he win. They'll do their job.
    • toddcat, on 05/10/2008, -0/+6What does that have to do with anything? The lawsuit is not about their failure to protect a President. It's about making a workplace inhospitable for black people. (And I'm white)
  • fagalagolopolis, on 05/10/2008, -9/+7Buried for not listing the jokes, and therefore not making me laugh and wasting my time.
  • pablo0713, on 05/10/2008, -11/+14White people want you to believe that racist joking is normal and everybody does it. But, it seems interesting to me that white people tend to focus a little too much on racial jokes. This can only come from some kind of deep guilt over the real perpetuation of racism cause mostly by white people ever since the slave trade. White people always want to make you believe that the crimes they've committed in the past were not that big of a deal. Get a life they say. It is only a joke. Everybody is doing it. It is white people who want to keep us pitted against each other and use jokes as a way to exhibit their racism. They can't be so open about their hatred these days so they disguise it in jokes. The path to racial i.e. cultural harmony does not begin with jokes. Any person who has half a brain would respect other people and not have a need to be racist through joke telling. There is no excuse for it. Grow the ***** up. Isn't it time to evolve human society?
    • shmatt, on 05/10/2008, -8/+4I'd rather hear a tasteless joke than your massive stereotypes. You're hanging out with some pretty screwy white people i'd say
    • ninjacob, on 05/10/2008, -9/+5I'd expect that from a border jumper!
    • taradisiac, on 05/10/2008, -7/+3Yes, it is time to involve and stop trying to guilt us around with stuff we didn't do. I'm not responsible for the actions of my ancestors.
    • Sethbacca, on 05/10/2008, -6/+4Must not much watch Dave Chapelle or Carlos Mencia or Chris Rock or any BET or anything, Its cool for every other minority to make fun of white people, but if a white man makes a joke its the end of the ***** world. ***** you overly sensitive hypocrite minorities that can't accept that jokes about other ethnicities does not make you a racist. Some of the best "racist" jokes I've ever heard were from the very minorities that the joke makes fun of.
    • Bakebehe, on 05/10/2008, -2/+3I'm a minority and I went lolwut
    • Yodaisking, on 05/10/2008, -3/+0some people still use the n word as a term of endearment and joking, some comedians still talk about how whitey can't dance etc. etc.
    • n0gnuz, on 05/10/2008, -3/+1Thanks for explaining us so well, "Pablo." I feel like you really understand how white people -- who come from dozens of countries, thousands of cities, multiple religions, all social strata -- think.
      Given that no two people in MY FAMILY think the same way, let alone, two people from different neighborhoods, cities, countries, or generations, I think your racial stereotypes are a bit bigoted and inaccurate.
    • JointVenture, on 05/10/2008, -6/+1OK, lets do the same for the NAACP and see what they say in their emails for the past 20 years.

      I just watched BULLWORTH last night and I gotta say the only ones using the word ***** were black folks.
    • leetdood, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2Yeah, whitey did everything. All white people are guilty of racism, past or present! Racism from non-white people? Unthinkable!

      Oh, and you obviously have never heard black people crack jokes about how white people do things.
      • Alexandru25, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1"Oh, and you obviously have never heard black people crack jokes about how white people do things."
        Successfully and without robing?

        /racism
  • SBG11, on 05/10/2008, -8/+2This is one of those times when people need to suck it up and get over it. No poster on digg or writer in the media has any real concept of the pressure secret service agents face daily. If they need to blow off a little steam by sending "offensive" emails, who cares?

    I doubt any of the bloggers, writers, etc would be happy to take a bullet for unpopular politicians.
    • darny, on 05/10/2008, -0/+9If you blow off steam by making racist jokes, and then feel the need to have it all documented in email, god help you, because I'm not.
    • toddcat, on 05/10/2008, -0/+3No, that's not acceptable. If you think it is, well, I'm glad I don't work with you. Imagine if a white person received a death threat at work and supervisors told them just to shrug it off. I know I wouldn't be too happy about that.
  • darny, on 05/10/2008, -1/+11How STUPID can you be...if you're going to be racist you should use your personal email account. Even if my supervisor(s) were trading potentially damaging emails using my company's resources I wouldn't participate. Add the extra layer of high-powered and potentially high-profile government agency...and then add the layer of the current controversial presidency...

    I mean, how STUPID can these guys be?!? And to think they're members of one of the most powerful and prestigious agencies in the world...
    • underdugg, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2Almost everyone else here is supporting the SS's actions -- but your opinion is a little more nuanced: "They have to be idiots for getting CAUGHT."

    • underdugg, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1But, to support your contention:

      The emails are only from the years 2003-2005. -- And the lawsuit was filed in 2000!
    • mabhatter, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2If I had that many messages in my work email, I would be dismissed immediately without hesitation. Period. These were in official email systems, so there is no excuse. Their job is 100% about professionalism and safety from harm, what if one of those harassed agents decided to take out the president (or other protected person) to "show them" they were really pissed off? Every one of these people is guilty of endangering their charges and should be dismissed... because their jobs are so sensitive and they have inside information, they should be executed so those secrets aren't leaked during time of "war" to terrorists.
  • jerryterhorst, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1how can you be "shocked but not surprised?"
  • MrCleann, on 05/10/2008, -2/+18You guys are hilarious. Racism isn't cute, cool or funny. It wouldn't be that big of a deal if the SS wasn't charged with protecting lives. Its funny how white people think its cool to create a stressful and insensitive workplace for everyone else but themselves.

    How is being RESPECTFUL being Politically Correct?

    Someone explain that?
    • underdugg, on 05/10/2008, -1/+10Spot-on.

      Just substitute "Jokes condoning the killing of Blacks" with "jokes condoning the killing Americans in a terrorist act"

      I think the SS agent who made the joke about killing Jesse Jackson should be fired, and put on a Terrorist-watch & no-fly list. (And everyone in this thread who is defending him/her?)

      • jessehadden, on 05/10/2008, -1/+7That's a really good point. If I had made such a comment (in writing no less), and the government became aware of it, I would be under investigation. I would very likely no longer be able to fly. Why is it different for the SS?
      • toddcat, on 05/10/2008, -1/+5Damn right man. It's comparable to a death threat being made against white folks (I'm white) and a supervisor saying just ignore it. Some of you Diggers are terrifying.
      • toddcat, on 05/10/2008, -0/+3I would substitute terrifying for hilarious. Being a fairly average lookin' white dude, I have so many white dudes dropping all this racist ish on me when I'm at a bar and someone's had a few. They think I'm gonna sympathize.....but I don't.
    • JointVenture, on 05/10/2008, -7/+3So if we scanned the NAACP's emails for the last 20 years we wouldn't find ANY racial, sexist or inappropriate emails?
      • underdugg, on 05/10/2008, -0/+5The SS only had *TWO* years of emails searched. They have refused to turn over other documents and emails.

        The years? 2003-2005. ...which is AFTER the lawsuit was filed in 2000.

        Not only should SS agents and administrators directly involved be FIRED -- the people who are supposed to do the firing (and have failed to, up to this point) should be fired.
        • JointVenture, on 05/10/2008, -4/+3Answer the question. What would we find if we scanned the NAACP's emails?
          • CptAmerica, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2Probably derogatory statements. But you forget, technically they wouldn't be considered racist. It's called double standard. Minorities love it, it's their not-so-secret weapon.
          • toddcat, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2If something like that was found, legal action would be bought. Don't act so victimized when you're white (I'm white). Remember there are many others worse off than you.
      • toddcat, on 05/10/2008, -0/+4Do you have reasonable suspicions of the NAACP being racist? Apparently no one else does because they are not being sued. You don't think if some dude thought the NAACP was being racist to him or her, they wouldn't sue the organization? It's probably because the NAACP isn't racist.
        • JointVenture, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2Do you really want me to fill this post up with quotes from NAACP meetings?

          How about we start with Rev Wrights dinner last week?
          • toddcat, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1See if you can find something that constitutes civil racial discrimination as a matter of employment policy.
  • taradisiac, on 05/10/2008, -11/+6Slavery was abolished over 140 years ago. Civil rights were reformed about 40 years ago. You have an easier time getting into college or a job than a white person. Time to stop crying and bitching don't you think?
  • TremorX, on 05/10/2008, -3/+9You mean people are expected to act professionally at work? What kind of ***** is that?!
    • toddcat, on 05/10/2008, -1/+5I know, what kind of BS is that? We have to make racist jokes on our own time? /end sarcasm
    • sk11, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1You mean you get paid to tell racist jokes at your work place? I thought it was tied to my annual bonus.
  • mcnasby, on 05/10/2008, -3/+6Hmm... If this kind of stuff is coming from the Secret Service, I wonder what G-dub's deleted emails had to say...
  • n0gnuz, on 05/10/2008, -10/+7Of course, minority SS agents do the same thing, and probably much worse, given the amount of open anti-white hostility we see from them in other segments of society. The difference is that there aren't any large white organizations (receiving millions of dollars in taxpayer money, no less) to perform these investigations, and there are no national media outlets that would cover the story, except to defend the perps.

    Notice how everyone is assuming these agents were white? Where does it say that none were African American, Native American, Asian American, Mestizo, or mixed?

    If we're going to investigate racism, let's investigate racism...not just the racism that affects our group.
    • Conspiracy20, on 05/10/2008, -7/+4spot on!
    • etx313, on 05/10/2008, -6/+2Of course they were white! Racism can only be committed by Whites towards Blacks!
      /sarcasm
    • citizenfury, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1right. just another conspiracy to keep the white man down. I love that your perspective is based on "of course" and "probably." That's called sloppy thinking. Also, the story was brought to you by a "white organization" known as The New York Times. So... care to rethink that opinion?
  • musicpyrite, on 05/10/2008, -6/+2Oh no! Someone made an insulting joke about my candidate of choice! Suuuuueeee themmmmmmmmm!!
    • underdugg, on 05/10/2008, -1/+7No, someone:
      * created a threatening and hostile hostile work environment
      * denied promotions to employees because of their race
      * failed to obey a court order to supply evidence, multiple times

      ...and that doesn't even address the "jokes" where government employees are threatening that if they murdered an American citizen, they could get away with it.

      That's like making jokes about committing a terrorist act -- shouldn't such people end up on a no-fly list?
  • HanSolo69, on 05/10/2008, -6/+3I will laugh at a "Racist" joke anytime as long as it's funny, and if it's funny it's probably because it's some what true (like most stereotypes), aka the point of a joke. It doesn't matter what the joke is about, if it's funny, awesome, and if it's not, ignore it.
    • underdugg, on 05/10/2008, -1/+4Will you laugh at jokes about killing Jews?

      Really, why not?
    • citizenfury, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1kicking dirt in the face of the downtrodden just makes you a jerk.
  • underdugg, on 05/10/2008, -1/+16To all those saying this is just a "joke," consider the actions going on, here:
    1.) Failure to supply evidence upon a court order. (multiple instances.)
    2.) Failure to promote Black workers when they earned it

    And:
    * Threatening to kill a black leader; declaring that it is possible for the SS to do an get away with it.

    Just for #1, people should be getting fired.
  • n0gnuz, on 05/10/2008, -7/+2Is there any irony that this story is coming to us from the New York Times, a newspaper whose leadership is far less representative of the American public than the SS, that ran propaganda for the communists until the Jews were purged, and has saked its thirst for European-American blood on the fountain of cultural Marxism ever since?
    The SS protects the lives of a relative handful of people, mostly the elite. The NYT shapes the news for *millions* of people, and has the ability to influence people to want war, to feel oppressed, to hate other people, etc. If Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson searched the NYT's cache of electronic documents and emails, do you really think they wouldn't find thousands of snarky, racist comments about blacks, whites, Mexicans, Armenians, Asians, and even Jews who don't think the "right" thoughts?
    • underdugg, on 05/10/2008, -0/+4Read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, much?
  • etx313, on 05/10/2008, -1/+13So who watches the watchers?
    • Tyrghast, on 05/10/2008, -1/+4Digg does.
      • Serial0Hacker, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1We are in trouble, At least we will know if any one misspells anything.
    • underdugg, on 05/10/2008, -1/+3Judging by this thread, you are doomed.
    • jpl7986, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2the man
    • toddcat, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1Under this administration, there aren't even any watchers, or else the ranks have been infiltrated by political appointees of the Cheney administration.
    • cquinnd, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1The Comedian did, unfortunately he was killed by ... (spoiler).
  • TexasShiv, on 05/10/2008, -9/+3So they made ***** jokes in e-mails? Who gives a *****?
  • JointVenture, on 05/10/2008, -10/+7Lets see they found 10 emails.

    "Mr. Zahren said the messages were the result of a search of 20 million electronic documents over 16 years."

    So out of 20 million messages they found 10.

    Id like to see what they could find if they scanned ANY company's emails for 16 years.

    They should do this for the NAACP and see what they find.
    • underdugg, on 05/10/2008, -2/+41.) The SS did not release all the emails.

      2.) The lawsuit is not about emails, it's about workplace discrimination. (failure to promote and give raises to Black workers.)

      3.) The SS refused a lawful court order, multiple times.

      4.) the SS employees engaging in these actions were rewarded & promoted
    • underdugg, on 05/10/2008, -2/+3and oh yeah: "The filing includes 10 e-mail messages... recently turned over... from 2003 through 2005,"

      It does not say they found *only* ten such emails. And the Plaintiff only searched a span of two (recent) years.
      • JointVenture, on 05/10/2008, -2/+3You seem so emotional about this, now answer my question.

        What would we find if we scanned the NAACP's emails?
        • 4wheel, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1It doesn't matter. They're going to digg you down because it's not what they want to hear.
    • citizenfury, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2NAACP is not charged with guarding the president. So your point is...
      ridiculous.
  • jpl7986, on 05/10/2008, -6/+1secret service agents have a sense of humor? shocking...intimidating actually...
  • nuentendu, on 05/10/2008, -4/+0I'm surprised Sharpton hasn't gotten all over this, he's probably making a statement as we speak.
  • 4wheel, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1Riight. Because everybody knows the secret service ain't got no black folks that woulda seen this. Everyboy knows the secret service is just a buncha white "good ol boys". You people are idiots.
  • summercrush, on 05/10/2008, -3/+0I know a lot of good honest hardworking "african americans". They are not racist and we get along fine. It seems it is the racist black people who always scream racism...then talk about how racist the crackers are.
  • DemsFTW, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2I'm glad you bigots are voicing your racist opinions. It insures me that none of you will become president. Years down the line, we'll be able to tell who sent what and show you to be the ass you are.
  • username484767, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2***** assholes
  • citizenfury, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1Wow, folks really love the noose humor here on digg. I had no idea it was such an intellectual community.
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