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- sodade, on 10/11/2007, -74/+336The Christian Right despises intellectualism because it leads to their children to question the faith that is shoved down their throats. They don't want a president that is smarter than they are.
- Quactaur, on 10/11/2007, -22/+200rightside:
Einstein was a Jew. And you will find that most scientists are suprisingly quiet about their faith, or rather their lack of it. - unloud, on 10/11/2007, -17/+170"But if you say one bad thing about a Muslim you get your account banned. "
Uh, prove it. - InfamousAtheist, on 10/11/2007, -29/+180I hope you mean Ron Paul when you talk about a smart Prez...
Rudy's a *****... he signed his own campaign's death certificate last weekend when he admitted to his progressive social views. The extremist wing of his party will never accept him now. - mauiwowi, on 10/11/2007, -8/+119Notice the huge ovation Rudy got in the Paul exchange? The flock of sheep aren't interested in truth.
- catalysis, on 10/11/2007, -9/+97"And you will find that most scientists are suprisingly quiet about their faith, or rather their lack of it."
I have not found this to be true in my scientific career. Most scientists are more than happy to discuss their beliefs. In fact, I'm the only atheist in my research group of 8 at the moment. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -16/+95@therightside - if you got banned it was probably because you are a troll. If you hate this site so much...go elsewhere. No one is forcing you to read Digg.
- ThisIsBob, on 10/11/2007, -2/+66We are ***** doomed if the best the system will present us with is a choice between Giuliani and the Clintons.
- mutatron, on 10/11/2007, -9/+63Something tells me we're not getting the whole story about therightside and his alleged banishment.
- TheBogie, on 10/11/2007, -12/+63All the other candidates are not necessarily ignorant, but they just lack the balls to tell the truth.
Ron Paul tells the truth regardless of whether or not he thinks it is popular. I'm not convinced Rudy really beleived what he said was true. I am convinced that he knew it would give him a bump up in the polls.
Ron Paul doesn't worry about polls, because he has balls.
Ron Paul has balls of industrial grade steel. - malloc, on 10/11/2007, -8/+57@socialpoison
You obviously did a search, and picked just the results you wanted to present. Here are the rest.
About God, I cannot accept any concept based on the authority of the Church. As long as I can remember, I have resented mass indocrination. I do not believe in the fear of life, in the fear of death, in blind faith. I cannot prove to you that there is no personal God, but if I were to speak of him, I would be a liar. I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil. My God created laws that take care of that. His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws.
—W. Hermanns, Einstein and the Poet—In Search of the Cosmic Man (Branden Press, Brookline Village, Mass., 1983), p.132, quoted in Jammer, p.123.
Einstein did once comment that "God does not play dice [with the universe]". This quotation is commonly mentioned to show that Einstein believed in the Christian God. Used this way, it is out of context; it refers to Einstein's refusal to accept some aspects of the most popular interpretations of quantum theory. Furthermore, Einstein's religious background was Jewish rather than Christian.
A better quotation showing what Einstein thought about God is the following:
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."
Einstein recognized Quantum Theory as the best scientific model for the physical data available. He did not accept claims that the theory was complete, or that probability and randomness were an essential part of nature. He believed that a better, more complete theory would be found, which would have no need for statistical interpretations or randomness.
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
The above quote is from a letter Einstein wrote in English, dated 24 March 1954. It is included in " Albert Einstein: The Human Side", edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, and published by Princeton University Press. - CannedMango, on 10/11/2007, -5/+54We are at a dangerous time right now, because if we don't support Ron Paul publicly for stating the truth and not shying away from it, then there is a strong chance that the media-distortion machine will play the demagogue card and play to the ignorance of the viewers by accepting the rhetoric that blaming US foreign policy is "absurd".
The thing it, it's not absurd at all. It's pretty clear that America has been ***** with the world for a very long time and in an attempt to protect their own asses, political and corporate figures have trumped up the "Don't blame America" card which plays right into the bloated patriotism of many Americans. (Sorry if this all sounds derogatory... I think it's only natural for this state to occur in the most powerful and wealthy nation in the world... regardless if it's America, Sweden or Russia.). The people are all too willing to pick up the chant and deride anyone who "blames America" which in itself is a destructive element to open discussion of the problems the world is facing. If open discussion is beat down (as Giuliani attempted to do on Tuesday night) then all we will have left is empty rhetoric and false arguments. It is at this point that truth needs to be stood up for and Ron Paul needs to be defended against malicious attacks from those who would rather keep the country ignorant of the difficult truth.
You don't have to vote for Ron Paul or even support him, but if you want a fair election and a better future you have to defend those who are willing to say wat needs to be said and denounce those who would discredit them for immoral means. - ejpusa, on 10/11/2007, -2/+50FOLKS reality check! I was in NYC (and still) for ALL of Rudys tenure here (in fact I voted for him). By the time his term was over EVERYONE wanted the guy out. He became a mini-dictator. Yipes, in marijuana arrests alone he was arresting over 60,000 kids every 12 months, it was getting crazy. Yes, he hit the right demographics, saw crime drop, but it's still dropping and Rudy is no-where in sight. ITS economics. Ok for mayor, but for president? YIPES!
- niradg, on 10/11/2007, -10/+50sodade referred to "The Christian Right"- not Christians in general. Criticizing an extremist group that tries to force its views on others is not the same and criticizing an entire religion. Similarly, criticizing Islamic extremists and Zionists is not the same thing as criticizing Islam and Judaism.
- nosecohn, on 10/11/2007, -2/+41Not if the truth involves examining their own behavior critically. It's a kind of national narcissism. It's far easier to just say, "We're better than them... and that's why they hate us."
- NikoKun, on 10/11/2007, -5/+40Giuliani just looks like another needle-dick ***** that wont do our country any good!
- timbellomo, on 10/11/2007, -5/+38@therightside
The Christian Right is neither.
Someone insulting the Christian Right is not an insult to all Christians... - joeyjojo, on 10/11/2007, -8/+40"ust because people act like idiots doesn't mean that their intelligence quotient is below 25."
That's an excellent point. That said, I fear those that 'play dumb' MUCH more than those that are just truly dumb.
Republicans should truly be insulted by the rhetoric the likes of Rudi and even McCain are spitting out. They're playing to the LCD and no one seems to be calling anyone on it.
The only bright moment is the fact that (of all people) FOX NEWS' own poll seemed to indicate that Ron Paul made a great showing.
Ron Paul seems to be the only pragmatic guy on the current GOP roster. Yep, he's a libertarian...not something I necessarily agree with, but he seems intelligent and doesn't seem to have any ambition to play it any other way.
I want a president that asks questions. MAYBE we are part of the cause. MAYBE we should investigate that. MAYBE you don't agree with me but let's see where the investigating takes us.
I'm a die hard liberal, but have a lot of respect for what Ron Paul has been saying thus far. - akatherder, on 10/11/2007, -2/+33It's more because of the mess he made/perpetuated New York. He was 5 seconds away from being irrelevant and never being heard from again until 9/11 happened. Now he's a Republican front runner?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+35As a Christian and a sane, progressive person, I would like to request that you stop grouping us with the right wing. It makes us look bad.
- belac88, on 10/11/2007, -2/+31@mauiwowi
I agree. Most people in the audience didn't take the time to hear what Congressman Paul had to say. They just saw him as an old man griping about something they didn't want to hear. - nosecohn, on 10/11/2007, -4/+29"JESUS... DIGG HAS BEEN HIJACKED BY A FEW RON PAUL NUTS."
Of the posts above which mention Ron Paul, I count three positive and seven negative. Notably, the negative ones include such mature terms of political discourse as "sex toy", "spooge", "anus hole", and of course yours, "fellating."
Who are the nuts? - joeyjojo, on 10/11/2007, -12/+35"Odd quotes to come from an atheist, don't you think?"
No, not at all. If you know anything about Einstein, you'd completely understand the context of those quotes. - zyl0x, on 10/11/2007, -1/+24Unfortunately the general public doesn't give a ***** about official documents. Most of them are too lazy to even bother to look into it.
- CannedMango, on 10/11/2007, -1/+23@pepegsay
I don't think anyone is saying that 9/11 was an "appropriate" response. Ron Paul said it himself in the debate that Reagan even pulled out of the middle east because he underestimated how illogical some of their doctrines were. It still stands though that you can't go into other countries, kill their civilians, support guerilla groups to overthrow their governments and expect them to just forgive and forget. It doesn't happen. So when something like 9/11 happens... it's definitely an evil act and it must be denounced as such, but it must also be understood for why it actually happened. The innocent people of New York did not deserve it. However, to start saying things like "they hate our freedom" and "they're simply evil" is a child's view of reality. The difficult truth is that had America not done the things it has done in the past through their foreign policies, there wouldn't be people around the world who feel it is their mission in life to kill Americans. It's not a 1 to 1 link to 9/11... but the seeds of hatred are there. Until Americans are willing to accept that, it will be impossible for the world to heal and forgive.
If you are serious about learning more about this subject and aren't just venting some frustration... read this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Hegemony-Survival-Americas-Dominance-American/dp/0805076883/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-4752542-6962208?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1179427674&sr=8-1
The book details many specific acts that the American government has committed over the past 40 years or so. A very insightful read. - edrift101, on 10/11/2007, -0/+19Rudy Giuliani will never get my vote for anything. He is part of the problem.
- totorototoro, on 10/11/2007, -5/+24I can think of three of the Republican candidates from the first debate who meet that criteria, hands down (up).
- piccard, on 10/11/2007, -4/+23we need to flood talk radio with ron paul, the michigan RNC has started a petition to ban ron paul from debates.
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You really are ignorant eh? Voting for Colbert may be wishful thinking, but it is not throwing one's vote away. It is using one's vote to make a statement of choice. If you don't vote at all you are throwing your vote away. - bIuebonics, on 10/11/2007, -4/+21Einstein was not religious in the sense that he followed or believed in any kind of organized religion. From his quotes, he was closest to being a Pantheist ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism ). He has also been quoted as saying "If there is any religion that would cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism.” Frankly, I'm slightly annoyed whenever someone uses the term "God" that every Christian instantly assumes the person is referring to their concept of God and the person is defaulted as being Christian. I have no problem with anyone believing anything they want (given they don't try to force it upon me or kill me over it), however, when I refer to God, don't think for one moment that I'm referring to the Christian God in any way, unless otherwise noted.
- Chebyshev, on 10/11/2007, -4/+21don't let the door hit you on the way out
- Neem, on 10/11/2007, -8/+24@therightside
If you hate digg please leave, we dont want you here. - Pfhreak, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17"Liberals are terrified of Giuliani because they are afraid he will beat the Democrat candidate."
...and then complete the raping of the Constitution in the interest of "security" started by George W. Bush et al. (What would he make us "secure" from? If the Islamic terrorist really had the power to conquer the US like so many like to claim, THEY'D HAVE ALREADY WIPED ISRAEL OFF THE MAP.)
Giuliani's all about the "post 9/11" mentality (paranoia, in other words), but he, like Bush, insists on using World War and Cold War strategies to deal with terrorists. Those strategies only work if you're dealing with another nation (like Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union), not a bunch of decentralized terrorist cells who have no standing armies, permanent bases, or associate infrastructure to destroy. As Pete Ashdown put it during his speech at the alternate BYU commencement: "We can no more fight teenagers using bombs and cell-phones with multibillion-dollar-aircraft-carriers and the latest jets than we can kill mosquitoes with a shotgun." - SocialPoison, on 10/11/2007, -14/+28(bury, digg went screwy on me, sorry)
- eggo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15@Cannedmango:
I took your advice, this is what I said;
Dear Mr. Gravel and Mr. Paul,
I have been following the 2008 presidential race closely, and I must say that I'm torn. I like what both of you have to say, and your willingness to put aside partisan politics is inspiring. Either of you would make a great president. Therein lies my conundrum, While a Ron Paul vs Mike Gravel election would be a win-win for the country, the other candidates in your parties have too much money to let that happen.
I would like to share with you an idea that has been on my mind these last few weeks; A Ron Paul/Mike Gravel (or vice versa) ticket in '08. I can think of nothing that would do more to unite the country than a Republican and a Democrat running on the same ticket. You both have similar ideas, similar stance on many issues, a strong love for the constitution, and a large following among those who are unsatisfied with the prevailing political climate.
Such an alliance could change the face of politics in the United States, bringing the two warring factions together. Anyone who follows US politics could tell you that most Americans reside in the middle of the political spectrum, and that is where elections are won. After years of being torn apart by the policies of the Bush administration, people are longing to feel like one country again. You can give them that. Bring our country together by breaking down party lines, put an end to this divisiveness and help America move forward.
As for who's name comes first, I'll leave that up to you. Paul/Gravel or Gravel/Paul, I don't care--flip a coin. America needs you, I'm sure you can make peace with your egos long enough to answer the call.
I admire you both for having the courage to say what you believe and not back down from it, and for standing up for the rest of us. Rest assured that one of you will receive my vote next year, but I would very much like to give it to both of you.
Sincerely,
[my name]
I'm curious how many others feel the same way, if you do, let both campaigns know about it. - CannedMango, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16You, like others miss the point. It's not about Ron Paul...it's about being honest and not playing to the audiences prejudices. If there were other candidates who spoke as openly as Ron Paul then there would be a lot less support of Paul and more support for others. The problem is that only one candidate out of 10 is willing to break the rhetoric and say things that are common sense.
- blaze4metal, on 10/11/2007, -4/+18@NikoKun
I agree. Rudy is just another status quo candidate. He will help those who lobbied for him and then eventually leave office without one mess cleaned up. - Vicissidude, on 10/11/2007, -24/+38As a Democrat, I love these snipes Republicans have against each other. I just write down what's said now and pull it out in a year.
- c0y0t3, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Rudy is like the favorite uncle that endears himself to the kids by taking them to the movies when they are young, but later on you grow up and realize he was a pervert and a drunk. Grow up.
This ass clown is only popular because he showed "courage" under pressure after the 9/11 attacks that so traumatized our public. Seems now like it was more ignorance than courage. When he tried to spin Ron Paul's accurate description of the cause of 9/11 into some kind of childish "you take that back" exchange, I hope he lost all credibility. It was an emotional response that showed his complete ignorance regarding foreign policy, and his lack of ability to mount or understand an intelligent argument regarding domestic security. The audience applause response to his words of aggression were chilling and troubling, but then I remembered this is South Carolina where they still want to fly the confederate flag and drag homosexuals down the street behind pick up trucks to "teach em a lesson".
Fox News ought to move their home office there. "Yeeeeee haw! Go Rudy, you tell that damn hippie Ron Paul where to git off!" - RobN, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14"What a crock?...What the hell are you talking about? Our fault?"
It's reasonably-well established that CIA involvement in Iran in the 70s led to the government that's been in control ever since the 80s. Thus, it's largely our fault that those in power today got that power in the first place, and have used it to manipulate the people for a generation.
Remember, more books are translated into spanish in one year than have been translated into arabic for all time (United Nations' 2003 "Arab Human Development Report"). We're talking about isolated, largely illiterate people who are constantly told that the US is the source of everything bad that's ever happened to them. It's a classic trick of dictators -- give people an enemy to rage against, and they won't notice it's really your fault their lives suck. The US is the fall guy for an entire region, and nothing we say or do can really change that. We can't pretend they'd all love us if we just let them alone, either -- that's what the peaceniks want us to believe, but it's a steaming pile that you really don't want to step in. - SocialPoison, on 10/11/2007, -8/+20@malloc
I didn't say he was a man of faith (though I do think he was a spiritual man in his own way). My comment inferred that he wasn't an atheist, which by your quotes, is shown to be true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic
Subtle, but very important intellectual difference.
"As long as I can remember, I have resented mass indocrination. I do not believe in the fear of life, in the fear of death, in blind faith."
You'd actually be very surprised how many Christians agree with this. Most (reasonable) Christians aren't happy with the way religion has been used as a tool for power. That's not its purpose (in spite of what you and others may think). The Bible says that when a church becomes involved with the world (read: government) it is no longer a church of God, but a church of the world. There's a lot of interesting stuff that "Christians" in power like to ignore in the Bible's teachings.
Sorry for kinda ranting a bit... I know I'm in the minority on this one (faith, that is). I just want digg to know that there are Christians out there who aren't going to try and cram their faith down your throat. Talk about it? Sure. Debate it? absolutely. Start a virtual inquisition? No thanks. - eggo, on 10/11/2007, -4/+16I'm hoping for a Ron Paul/Mike Gravel '08 ticket. I would SO vote for a dual-party team right now if those two ran together. Problem is, who gets to be Prez, and who is VP? Probably will never happen, but I can dream, right? Sadly, the divisiveness will likely continue...
- JD52, on 10/11/2007, -15/+27I hate pointing out the blatantly obvious however, the ignorant are all we have to choose from.
- vap0r, on 10/11/2007, -6/+17http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Sign_the_Petition_to_Support_Ron_Paul_s_Inclusion_in_Future_Debates
Some Republicans are maneuvering to exclude Paul from future debates. Please show your support for fair election procedures by signing the petition.
This story needs to get to the front page - laserblazer, on 10/11/2007, -7/+18So you're a virtual jizz-mopper? Egads.
- dorshorst, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12@blaze4metal- there is nothing wrong with throwing your vote away. It says you think your choices suck and you would rather completely waste the effort of going to vote than have any support for them recorded. As opposed to not voting, which says you are lazy and apathetic.
Heck, if it actually gets cambrown99 out of his house and to the polls, then I'm all for it. - jrayfitz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12There is a good possibility that the applause was a sound-track. I have read this on a couple of sites submitted by TV audio engineeres
- CannedMango, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14Why care about truth when you can applaud your own country for being "totally awesome"?
- dondara, on 10/11/2007, -8/+19@mauiwowi
"The flock of sheep aren't interested in truth."
The most intelligent comment on this page. WTF are you doing on Digg? - zeebusboy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10America can't survive another idiot in the White House.
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