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- inactive, on 08/24/2008, -5/+239Can we have our country back now?
Folks, if Corporations are counting the votes and citizens aren't, you don't have a viable Democracy (or Republic) no matter how much flag-waving and how many "God Bless America" speeches are made. - Berkana, on 08/24/2008, -4/+174That's not "coming clean"; coming clean would be to admit Diebold ties to the Republican party and to admit how these were leveraged to corrupt the vote.
- kemp34, on 08/24/2008, -1/+132The designers of Diebold's faulty software and the executives of the company ought to be tried for treason.
- inactive, on 08/24/2008, -5/+132You cannot beat paper ballot and a pencil/ink marker.
Yes it does take much longer to count the votes, but at least all votes are counted! - laaabaseball, on 08/24/2008, -7/+131Step 1: Uninstall Antivirus software. It's a friggin voting machine.
- sorrow, on 08/24/2008, -0/+116Close, but...
Step 1: Have a secure infrastructure that prevents the machines from ANY contact with outside people or computers who could possibly introduce malicious software. - justiceape, on 08/24/2008, -1/+85They're not "coming clean," give me a break. This is more disinformation. "Well, we fraudulently on accident helped fabricate election results on accident by accident, but now we won't be doing that." So believable, that.
- MJG2007, on 08/24/2008, -2/+84This is really very simple.
1. Have each machine print out a filled out ballot after the choices have been made and require people look at the paper to ensure their choices were accurate.
2. Place the ballot in a sealed box.
3. Allow the machine count to be preliminary "instant results".
4. Require all paper ballots to be counted to certify the election.
Problem solved. - GlassAgate, on 08/24/2008, -0/+80Hanging chad.....
Half-filled bubble....
vs.
Virus found!
100% of data lost. - SuperMoses, on 08/24/2008, -0/+73Wait.. the Diebold spokeperson's name is "Rigall".. RIG ALL? too funny.
- LeeSoong, on 08/24/2008, -5/+76Step 1: Burn the machines,
Step 2:
Return the US to democracy - real paper, real votes, multiple people counting and verifying.
No it's not quick and it's not easy.
What is worthwhile usually is not. - inactive, on 08/24/2008, -0/+66What hack programmers do they have working there, you ask?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_Election_Solu ...
"Jeff Dean, Senior Vice-President and Senior Programmer at Global Election Systems (GES), the company purchased by Diebold in 2002 which became Diebold Election Systems, was convicted of 23 counts of felony theft for planting back doors in software he created for ATMs using, according to court documents, a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of two years"
If you ask me, it doesn't get much more specific than that.... they also have hired "a number of other convicted felons in senior positions, including a fraudulent securities trader and a drug trafficker" - inactive, on 08/24/2008, -29/+93............................................________
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..................................., - KnightWhoSaysNi, on 08/24/2008, -1/+65A customized OS would have been the obvious choice for anyone with half a brain.
But we're talking about Diebold here. - cbown75, on 08/24/2008, -1/+52Hmmm, so are they saying what a lot of people have known for a long time, that their machines don't work?? Just waiting for the lawsuit to be filed now. What hack programmers do they have working there? Good Q/A people they have as well.
- inactive, on 08/24/2008, -0/+49Question about the antivirus, these things run windows? And no I'm not making some windows is buggy joke, I just thought these were running a custom OS or something.
- inactive, on 08/24/2008, -0/+44So they're taking them out of active usage ... right? *smirk*
- PabloMac, on 08/24/2008, -2/+45Well, except for that one election. And that other election...
- inactive, on 08/24/2008, -0/+38Hopw do you screw up a program that counts how many people pressed the blue, red or green button? I could write that in about 20 lines of BASIC!
- iancgi, on 08/24/2008, -2/+40Well that's nice, after how many elections now, how many deaths caused by those elected by the machines, how many civil rights butchered by the men elected by these machines?
Why is this company still in business? - btschul, on 08/24/2008, -2/+35Watch me write a ***** program to tally votes. It's really not that hard.
int main()
{
int obama = 0;
int mccain = 0;
int paul = 0;
int barr = 0;
char vote;
while (vote!='e'){
printf("Please place your vote. o for Obama, m for McCain, p for Paul, b for Barr, e to end ");
scanf("%c", &vote);
if (vote == 'o'){
obama = obama + 1;
}
if (vote == 'm'){
mccain = mccain + 1;
}
if (vote == 'p'){
paul = paul + 1;
}
if (vote == 'b'){
barr = barr +1;
}
}
printf("Obama - %d", obama);
printf("McCain - %d", mccain);
printf("Paul ----- %d", paul);
printf("Barr ----- %d", Barr);
return 0;
}
How do they manage to ***** that up? It took me 3 minutes. - seltaeb4, on 08/24/2008, -0/+33Believe me, these guys at Diebold knew *exactly* what they were doing when they chose Windows... the most easily hackable and bug-ridden nightmare of an OS ever created. They could have named Fred Flintstone the winner, and there would have been no way to disprove their results, because there was NO paper trail.
Remember how in 2003 the CEO of Diebold, Walden O'Dell, was *also* the head of... the Ohio Republican Party? He's mainly notable now for boasting how he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the President next year [2004]."
This was in a letter for a Republican fundraising dinner at which seats went for $10,000 each... *and* his company got to count the votes, as well.
Pretty sweet deal, eh? Love those Republicans—eternal friend of the common man. - spyderveloce, on 08/24/2008, -3/+35As an electronics engineer this is really starting to concern me. More extreme important and mission-critical systems are being assembled with cheap off-the-shelf components tied together with consumer-grade operating systems and software. It seems custom designing single-purpose circuits has become a dying art. What a shame!
oh, and by the way.... ***** THE RIAA! - noogymmij, on 08/24/2008, -5/+36WTF? Digg is full of retards. I'm really sorry that you're being downmodded and "you want a hella closed source" is being up modded.
Closed, protected, proprietary code is what got Diebold into this controversy in the first place. If you have open source code that can be reviewed by anyone and has a clear, secure chain of resulting, then you have a perfect system. - pintomp3, on 08/24/2008, -11/+42Step 1: make it open source.
- eddy23170, on 08/24/2008, -3/+34does it really matter who is "The President??"
Perhaps, I am being insensitive and unrealistic...
however, it is US that truly has the power. I just don't think we realize it yet.
People have said "I can't afford to quit my job and protest and boycott....well.....damn near EVERYTHING and the way the world is headed."
Allow me to speak for myself: I am willing to starve myself, stand in the cold, go to bed hungry, get rained on, get man-handled by the police, spend a few nights in jail. Am I alone?? I hope not. I am not afraid to stand up for freedom. They want us to be afraid. Revolutions, either small or large, are inherently difficult. People might die. But is living under borderline fascist conditions..is this living?
Sorry to rant...but I am tired of hearing diggers say that I want a "comfortable revolution" .
The police have to eat too. Imagine them having to abandon their posts because their food supply isn't reaching market either... - AmazingSteve, on 08/24/2008, -0/+31It's called a pencil and a paper ballot. Try it sometime. Then again, I guess that makes elections too hard to rig for the unelectable.
- Decimit, on 08/24/2008, -2/+32You don't really expect our government to actually use common sense like this do you?
- JinnRikki, on 08/24/2008, -5/+33I can haz new pretzeldent now?
- heartsblood, on 08/24/2008, -2/+30I normally dig these things down but this one is painfully appropriate.
- btschul, on 08/24/2008, -1/+27Watch me write a ***** program to tally votes. It's really not that hard.
int main()
{
int obama = 0;
int mccain = 0;
int paul = 0;
int barr = 0;
char vote;
while (vote!='e'){
printf("Please place your vote. o for Obama, m for McCain, p for Paul, b for Barr, e to end ");
scanf("%c", &vote);
if (vote == 'o'){
obama = obama + 1;
}
if (vote == 'm'){
mccain = mccain + 1;
}
if (vote == 'p'){
paul = paul + 1;
}
if (vote == 'b'){
barr = barr +1;
}
}
printf("Obama - %d", obama);
printf("McCain - %d", mccain);
printf("Paul ----- %d", paul);
printf("Barr ----- %d", Barr);
return 0;
}
How do they manage to screw that up? It took me 3 minutes. - nirvanix, on 08/24/2008, -0/+26Well, could you take 2 more minutes to add a module that allows me to adjust the tally? I'll pay you for your troubles, I assure you.
- heartsblood, on 08/24/2008, -3/+28you what? ***** Flordia dude.
- DeFex, on 08/24/2008, -1/+25evoting 2.0 must be almost ready.
the machine just scans your brain and tell you who you "want" to vote for.
/tinfoil - rowjimmy, on 08/24/2008, -1/+25to those asking for proof, it's public record:
"For years, O'Dell has given generously to Republican candidates. Last September, he held a packed $1,000-per-head GOP fundraiser at his 10,800-square-foot mansion. He has been feted as a guest at President Bush's Texas ranch, joining a cadre of "Pioneers and Rangers" who have pledged to raise more than $100,000 for the Bush reelection campaign. Most memorably, O'Dell last fall penned a letter pledging his commitment "to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the President."
...
Since 1991 the Timken [member of Diebold's board] Company and members of the Timken family have contributed more than a million dollars to the Republican Party and to GOP presidential candidates such as George W. Bush. Between 2000 and 2002 alone, Timken's Canton-based bearing and steel company gave more than $350,000 to Republican causes, while Timken himself gave more than $120,000. This year, he is one of George W. Bush's campaign Pioneers, and has already pulled in more than $350,000 for the president's reelection bid. " (http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004 ...
O'Dell later "vowed to lower his political profile lest his personal actions harm the company." - this being before he resigned "following reports that the company was facing securities fraud litigation surrounding charges of insider trading" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold) - SSUK, on 08/24/2008, -0/+23Is it really bad that I realised it wouldn't compile because you spelt the variable "barr" as "Barr" 4 lines from the end?
Perhaps it's time to go outside... - heartsblood, on 08/24/2008, -0/+23Until the voting machines are made so that audits and security checks can be done by regular civilians, this problem will never go away. The companies that make and supply these machines will continue to hide behind the wall of "trade secretes" and prosecute those who find faults with their products.
This isn't Microsoft, we're not talking about some useless office application, we're talking about the leaders of our ***** country I want to see how my vote is counted and make damn sure that is counted, but I can't without legal consequences. It's sick and there's nothing any of us can do about it. - BlacklabelSAR, on 08/24/2008, -0/+21Corporatism. Get to know the term.
We have corporations that have more influence on "our" government than even the largest states.
Much like Orwell's Newspeak definition of sanity and Double-Think. We are expected to ignore the fact that we are being lied to. We are expected to forget that we have heard these lies all our lives, and maintain a bright shiny submissive attitude.
We are expected to submit. - inactive, on 08/24/2008, -0/+20So it was all just a conspiracy theory, eh, you right wing douchebags?
- billsprestonIU, on 08/24/2008, -0/+19Wow this company sounds super shady!! Figures.
- dimension128, on 08/24/2008, -2/+21OMFG, are we really still having this debate? If open source were sooo vulnerable to teh 1337 haxorz who can see the code, then why do we have the biggest set of computer systems with the most private and open data IN THE WORLD, the inter-freaken-net, running mainly on Apache?
If I can see the code, and you can see the code, then we both know where exploits are. And we can both fix it. And nobody is going to allow the code to be used, until EVERYONE says its ok.
If you cant see the code and I can, you just have to trust me. I can sell the exploits to the highest bidder, and your screwed.
If you don't want to pay me what I'm charging, but you have some money, and you have a shady motive, like... I dunno... putting someone in the humble position of, "President of the United States", you can reverse engineer the binary. Need proof that this kind of thing is possible? Have a look at just about any torrent tracker site, and do a search for "insert-name-of-any-program-here crack". - secrity, on 08/24/2008, -0/+19Oh, its OK, they changed their name -- Diebold ***** up, this is a brand new company.
/s - Blandyman, on 08/24/2008, -2/+20Godwin. Thread over.
- hugolp, on 08/24/2008, -1/+18@longbow486 True, its much more better a propietary system like the one Diebold has now... oh wait!
And you forget the most important part, with a open source system you can be sure Diebold and the goverment employees that are handeling the machines dont have a way to cheat. Cause even if its propietary Diebold has the source and they could cheat, giving them a lot of power. If its Open source no. - inactive, on 08/24/2008, -5/+21"It's easier to fake with paper. "
That does not make sense to me; can someone please explain? - btschul, on 08/24/2008, -0/+16Between the Diebold machines and the electoral collage, is there any chance of your vote counting?
- seltaeb4, on 08/24/2008, -4/+20Windows-based systems can't be relied upon to run a lemonade stand, let alone voting machines.
- Blandyman, on 08/24/2008, -0/+15It makes absolutely no sense to ever program something so intrinsically important and use Windows on it. It makes no ***** sense.
No, it shouldn't use Mac or Linux either.
This is obviously a horrible mistake on their part that can only be corrected by preventing Diebold from ever creating voting machines again. It's ridiculous that these things are allowed to happen! - inactive, on 08/24/2008, -0/+15Another indication that we are being played off of each other as Left / Right.
No matter what you think of the "other" this is an important issue that a/effects us all IMO - ZenMojo, on 08/24/2008, -0/+15Now if only the MSM would cover this.
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