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- BlackBloke, on 09/28/2008, -0/+325The term "martial law" when the speaking about congressional rules, means something different than the common usage of the term.
For example, from July 28th of 2006: http://www.cbpp.org/7-28-06bud-stmt.htm
"The Leadership apparently intends to use a process known as “martial law” to allow these bills to be brought to the floor very shortly after negotiations are completed, with the result that Members of the House are likely to have virtually no time to examine and consider the details of the legislation before they will be required to vote on it." - inactive, on 09/29/2008, -2/+183As explained below by BlackBloke "martial law" refers to a House rule where Representatives are forced to vote without having time to study a bill, I still think this is a very important statement. Shouldn't the full Congress have adequate time to study a bill that allocates $700 billion at a single stroke? Pelosi sucks!
- JATCA69, on 09/28/2008, -27/+177Please tell me I'm wrong...tell me I'm an idiot and that is not what he said or that he is talking about the house of congress and not the American people...right?
- Minarchian, on 09/28/2008, -8/+157The guy was bemoaning the fact that House Republicans, himself included, are being excluded from the talks of the Socialist bailout by saying the Speaker of the House declared "martial law".
- borisimo, on 09/28/2008, -3/+99IT IS A COMMITTEE RULE. WE ARE NOT UNDER MARTIAL LAW.
H. Res. ___ -- Waiving a requirement of clause 6(a) of rule XIII with respect to the consideration of certain resolutions reported from the Committee on Rules
September 27, 2008
H.Res. ___ – Waiving a requirement of clause 6(a) of rule XIII with respect to consideration of certain resolutions reported from the Committee on Rules
Managers: Slaughter / Dreier
BLANKET MARTIAL LAW RULE THROUGH
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 29TH
http://rules-republicans.house.gov/ShortTopics/Rea ... - rv361162, on 09/28/2008, -2/+94Martial law in this instance means that they are forced to vote on this even if they haven't been able to read the bill.
- hugolp, on 09/29/2008, -0/+81No, the Congress should not have time to study a 700 billion bill, because then the US would be similar to a democracy.
- inactive, on 09/28/2008, -0/+75It means the bill gets pushed through without time for review.
- hautediggity, on 09/28/2008, -4/+73the only clarification i found is that congress, & not the country as a whole, is under martial law:
HOUSE LEADERSHIP INVOKES “MARTIAL LAW,” FORCING MEMBERS TO VOTE ON KEY BILLS WITHOUT FULL KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THEY ARE VOTING ON: MOVE REPRESENTS EROSION OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS
The House Republican Leadership has announced its intention to have the House vote, before adjourning on Friday or Saturday More.., on several major pieces of legislation that are not yet available to House members in final form because behind-closed-door negotiations on the proposals are still going on. The Leadership apparently intends to use a process known as “martial law” to allow these bills to be brought to the floor very shortly after negotiations are completed, with the result that Members of the House are likely to have virtually no time to examine and consider the details of the legislation before they will be required to vote on it.
Among the matters the House may be asked to vote on under martial law are a major conference report on pension legislation, a costly bill that would permanently reduce the estate tax and extend certain expiring tax provisions, and a bill that could combine a controversial health insurance proposal with an increase in the minimum wage (there also are reports that the estate tax, minimum wage, and expiring tax provisions may be combined into a single bill). The House Rules Committee on Thursday afternoon reported a resolution that would provide martial law authority in relation to all of these bills. - kemp34, on 09/28/2008, -31/+100These lunatics at the top are trying to assert their will against the clear wishes of the American people. They better be careful with how they proceed. TRUE patriots must stand up NOW and re-assert the Constitution.
- inactive, on 09/28/2008, -9/+74You misunderstood it.
- lolupissed, on 09/28/2008, -11/+70Vote out any official that votes in favor of this bill
Any official that votes in favor of this bill needs to be tried and executed for treason. - voterp, on 09/29/2008, -1/+58term used in congress..not actual martial law
- 15charmaxwtf, on 09/28/2008, -2/+49Yea I think you're wrong, sounds like just congress -- what it means in that context I have no idea.
- tjoiner, on 09/28/2008, -39/+84You guys are idiots. And frankly calling you that is an insult to idiots.
In this sense, "martial law" is a legislative term meaning we're gonna vote on this bill immediately, it's urgent, you probably won't have time to read it all, and no, you can't leave. It has nothing to do with military martial law, which would be declared by the President, not frikkin Nancy Pelosi, god help us.
I hope to high heaven none of you show up at the polls and pretend to be informed citizens. - inactive, on 09/28/2008, -13/+56It means, HEY AMERICA....... ***** YOU!!
- voterp, on 09/29/2008, -3/+44It is a term used in congress when they are trying to pass a bill too quickly.
- reland1, on 09/28/2008, -24/+63We have been under Martial Law since March 9, 1933. The War Powers Act was passed by Congress and never rescinded. In 1973, it was in fact strengthened.
- FreeTalkLIve, on 09/29/2008, -0/+38Kind of like the Patriot Act?
That turned out well. - 0Xonox0, on 09/29/2008, -2/+33WE ARE -NOT- UNDER MARTIAL LAW
When he says "We are under martial law as declared by the speaker..." What he means by WE is the house of representatives, and he's describing the situation in the government right now regarding the bailout. The whole speech is directed to the house, not the American people. The speaker of the house cannot declare martial law, (I believe) only the president has that power. You people are far too paranoid these days. - hautediggity, on 09/28/2008, -68/+99i'm speechless. & you misunderstood nothing -- he did in fact say: "i understand we are under martial law as declared by the speaker last night."
spread this video far & wide. - Lawofnations, on 09/28/2008, -30/+59We've been under martial law since March 9, 1933 (see: Senate Report 93-549).
- bradspangler, on 09/28/2008, -1/+30Thanks. I was not aware of previous usage of this sort.
- axelmattias, on 09/29/2008, -2/+25Nah we're not: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Report_93-549
Limit of two years for each emergency. - tjoiner, on 09/28/2008, -7/+30Actually they were, until McCain hand carried their proposal into that meeting everybody said was a waste of time.
And the meeting last night? The one Pelosi called them "unpatriotic" for not attending? Um, they weren't invited to that one, either. Chris Dodd admitted it on NBC. "We forgot to tell them." - bradspangler, on 09/28/2008, -2/+23Legislative slang would be more accurate. It's not like this has been a commonly accepted definition that any PoliSci major could clue you in on. It's just the way the various degenerate elements of the political class are referring to this particular instance of Pelosi ramrodding this stuff through without adequate debate. This is sort of like the Capitol Hill policy geek version of calling people a "retard" because they don't know which Star Trek episode was the one in which Leonard Nimoy yada, yada, yada...
- Godwhacker, on 09/29/2008, -2/+20You're not wrong and you're not an idiot -- but I think the congressman was referring to an internal state of affairs within the congress, and not to the traditional meaning of 'martial law'. That said, an Army brigade is being deployed within our boarders to 'quell domestic unrest'. If they act against U.S. citizens, that would really be martial law.
- inactive, on 09/28/2008, -0/+17Good work black Bloke!
- xadhominemx, on 09/29/2008, -5/+21It's funny- usually in societies under martial law, you can't constantly bemoan the fact that you're under martial law.
- swrostmore, on 09/29/2008, -9/+25Deja vu - in 2003, the GOP was introducing world-changing bills in the dead of night, and the Democrats were whining ineffectually about it. Now, the situation is reversed.
Even worse, I can't honestly say those scumbag ***** House Republicans are wrong in opposing this bill. But I can say whoever submitted this video under this title is a moron. - Myrth, on 09/29/2008, -0/+15As opposed to dictatorship. Doh :)
- rypic7, on 09/29/2008, -1/+16thank you! this guy is obviously a tool, but it is clear that he meant martial law in a figurative sense as it applies to the house. i know it would be fun to pretend that the house of representatives declared national martial law last night so all of us liberals could go on with our rants about how terrible the government is, but that's not whats happening. chill.
- bradspangler, on 09/29/2008, -4/+19@tjoiner re: "First, any PoliSci major, or high school graduate for that matter, does knows that the President declares martial law, not the speaker of the house."
Showing off for all the kinfolk back in Kentucky there, Jethro? That doesn't address my point and it's dishonest of you to pretend otherwise. - gab00n, on 09/29/2008, -0/+14Which translates to, somebody gonna get hurt real bad...in the ass. American tax payers I'm talking about you, all your money are belong to them.
- Jerky1312, on 09/29/2008, -2/+16Our education system would rather let digg do all the educating.
- Rodalli, on 09/29/2008, -6/+20Overreaction. Inaccurate.
The country is not under martial law, it's a metaphor. Jesus. - inactive, on 09/29/2008, -3/+16Yup, this is when the Trading with the Enemies Act of 1915 was amended to include American citizens also, good ol FDR really took care of us. Same piece of legislation made the hoarding of gold illegal, meaning you could not have more than your wedding ring or you will be sent to prison for 5 years or a fine of $10,000.00. The American gold was handed over to the Federal Reserve (private bankers), gold standard was drop and the price of Gold doubled in one year, imagine that.
Our gold was stolen and moved into private hands, we became the enemy, and the military industrial complex has been building up around us and will eventually turn on the people. You can not sleep any more, if you value the thought of your child having a future it is time to act. Nothing violent is due, just 300 million people take to the street and say enough, it is really that simple. You only miss one day off work and we have our country back. - algaeturd, on 09/29/2008, -5/+17Look here...I would suggest voting out ANY and EVERY representative and senator who voted for this thing, And that's what should be done. But we're up against dumb and dumber right now. Whoever you vote in will undoubtedly and most likely be as useless as the person you just voted out. This country may not be under Martial law right now but make no mistake: You are being held hostage by a congress that, for the most part, neither cares nor asks what you think about ANYTHING that comes across their desks. They act alone and they are swayed by the leaders, the lobbyists and their special interests.
Say what you will.. this is a runaway government at this point...the administration works as it sees fit with NO regard for the American public or 'we, the people.' Strike that from the preamble..it is no longer accurate in any way, shape or form. And now you belong to the government more than ever, people are being born into huge debt, they may own your house and your property. It's ludicrous. Simply ludicrous to ever think we'd sink this far.
And all the 'conspiracy theorists' were laughed at for suggesting this would happen as far back as 10 years ago. Still just a series of 'mishaps' and 'accidents' or a serious, huge grab at power where the people of wealth control the people in poverty...which we'll see here sometime soon that MOST americans will fall into that 'poverty' side. - Nintendesert, on 09/29/2008, -2/+14You really think that if the USA goes under Martial Law, the first you'll hear about it is on some YouTube video on Digg? Lay off the kool-aid kids.
- Uberplanet, on 09/29/2008, -1/+12why am i just learning about this now?
you'd think this would be at least mentioned in passing somewhere. - FolkTheory, on 09/29/2008, -0/+11yes
- inactive, on 09/29/2008, -1/+12Exactly. The term is the same, but it applies specifically to Congress.
- AlbionEikon, on 09/29/2008, -2/+13Ummm... when are you finally going to realize that the group of terrorists that hurt the American people the most is the American government itself? ; )
- FolkTheory, on 09/29/2008, -2/+13http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Report_93-549
we're not in martial law. at least not since that time. - ericdano, on 09/29/2008, -2/+12Congress needs to be sacked. The Senate needs to be sacked. *****.
- rv361162, on 09/29/2008, -0/+10Can we go ahead and plan on civil disobedience if this ***** passes?
http://www.700billiondollarparkinglot.com - suzycarpenter, on 09/29/2008, -3/+13Anyone read the latest issue of the 'Army Times'? Check it out.
http://digg.com/world_news/Army_brigade_homeland_t ... - xedd, on 09/29/2008, -0/+10Socialism?
It's socialism FOR THE RICH, which is then NOT really socialism but FASCISM.
Jesus H. Christ on a stick. Borrow a freakin' brain from someone. - Infidelephant, on 09/29/2008, -0/+10It's definition changes depending on who is using it. Like:
"Theory" to a scientist
"Football" to a European"
or
"Rape" at a frat-house - inactive, on 09/29/2008, -0/+10Exactly 2bsbc, it goes to show how ***** up that bill was. All the ***** up bills are passed really quickly by the congress, not even letting the CONGRESSMEN review it, which is like hitting a new bottom.
Kudos to the Republicans that didn't stand up for it. Shame on the democrats. But is just another example of how the "bipartisan" system is *****, no one really stand up for you. -
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