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- aussiejan, on 07/12/2009, -33/+548I am sick to the back teeth of these idiots denigrating the Canadian health care system. That system looked after me for the first 35 years of my life (until I moved to Australia) and my family and friends. I have never known anybody in Canada to be denied care or go bankrupt because of health care or worry that they couldn't get health care because of a pre-existing condition. I understand all of those problems are common in the States.
- jezsik, on 07/12/2009, -23/+380The truth is that you DO have to wait for heath care in Canada. The alternative, as proposed by the American insurance companies, is to reduce wait times by kicking poor people out of line. When it comes right down to it, I want a health care industry that's concerned about my health, not making money.
- catchbigd22, on 07/12/2009, -24/+314Kucinich is one of the most respectable politicians in America. He fights for the people and the fact that he was shunned throughout his campaign for president by the media is a shame. His wife is also gorgeous.
- RogerStrong, on 07/12/2009, -8/+162Emergency care here in Canada is just as fast as in the U.S.
But like the U.S., there are wait times for non-emergencies. In my case, the wait time for sleep apnea testing was up to two years. So I went to a private clinic and had that testing done right away, and got treatment at another private clinic.
The insurance I get through work paid for it. Insurance that costs far less than in the U.S., because of what the public system pays for. - sb66, on 07/13/2009, -14/+165My God what a ***** prick that 'witness' was. Kucinich totally owned him.
- shupy, on 07/12/2009, -8/+155In the US you can easily be denied any test because your health insurance can deny it.
That is what the right wingers don't seem to get. Insurance companies tell you where you must go and what doctors you can use. They also dictate what treatments are available, what prescrition drugs are available and still, at any time they can cancel your insurance for any reason.
I know two people dying from cancer that were cancelled by their insurance company. No reason, just that they had become expensive.
That is criminal. - the_rev, on 07/13/2009, -6/+149As a Canadian, I do enjoy my universal healthcare. As a child I was diagnosed with Leukemia and spent better part of three years in and out of the hospital. Never was there a worry about huge medical bills, no pre-existing conditions clauses. You get sick, you get care. If you can't afford to contribute to the system because you do not make enough, you do not pay. It is a simple scale based on income.
Now I have been diagnosed with a brain tumor and just finished treatment. I went through the BC Cancer Agency that has top notch equipment, physicians, and facilities. All covered (excluding some prescription drugs). After my initial seizures, I had an MRI and surgery all within a few days. It is all based off of priority.
Gotta say it is a pretty good system. One that should be a basic human right. - moogoogourami, on 07/12/2009, -16/+154If I were confronted with the choice of a long wait time to be seen by a health care professional versus not being seen at all because I couldn't afford it, the choice would be obvious to me.
It's all a crapload of lies because of the globs of money med/ins/pharma corporations would lose, but hey, they'd save a ton from not having to pay so much to undermine Canada's system, right? - relaxeder, on 07/13/2009, -9/+136The "there will be healthcare rationing" line is stupid. America has that already.
Its a disgusting and immoral system that opponents of healthcare reform are trying to preserve, the market has proven that it is incapable of keeping insurance affordable and accessible without a basic public option as a counterweight to reign it in. I'm all for the free market and for pharmacy and medical science and practition as profitable enterprise, but health insurance should not be one. - CosmicSurfer, on 07/12/2009, -15/+137I note they don't scream much about France who not only pays healthcare birth through death but all Legal fees as well-
Then we have Norway, UK, Switzerland and other 1st worlders...I guess they can argue that we no longer belong to the 1st world club. The corporatists and their neo-con cohorts with conservative shills have seen to that..We are becoming 2nd worlders...soon to be 3rd worlders - spriggig, on 07/13/2009, -11/+117I should have voted for Dennis.
- eadint, on 07/13/2009, -14/+109you are a ***** idiot. anything would be better than the disaster we are in right now. I supposedly have great private healthcare and im fighting with the insurance companies all the time. stupid ***** like you are the problem. america is the only stage 5 economy wit-ought public healthcare. the patients the doctors and everyone in-between are getting screwed. the only people who are winning are the pharmaceutical companies and the insurance companies. do this country a favor, leave, idiots like you are the problem.
- sb66, on 07/13/2009, -9/+103I don't know one person unhappy with our health care system; but I've only experienced the Canadian health care system for 40 years; so wtf do I know right? Keep on believing the ***** propaganda you're being fed by schills from the corporations. It's sickening really. The richest country in the world cannot even provide basic health care for its citizens. How pathetic can you get...
- DaleMCourtney, on 07/13/2009, -10/+102Dugg for Dennis
- GorfTron, on 07/13/2009, -5/+97We can fight multiple wars on multiple continents but universal health coverage for our citizens is just too much.
- Amadeus2490, on 07/13/2009, -13/+103I know i'll get dugg down for this, but I think Dennis Kucinich would make a better president than Ron Paul would. Don't get me wrong, though; I'd love to see Paul in his cabinet, or as an advisor.
- SQLserver, on 07/13/2009, -18/+101The Republicans in congress have no idea what they are raving about anymore.
I mean, seriously. Look at Republican comments from 4 years ago, and compare them to today.
The party's running scared, and their radical and often loony side is showing more and more. - magus_melchior, on 07/13/2009, -5/+87When confronted by a Congressman who doesn't believe you, you have a few options:
1. Answer patiently when the Congressman actually waits for you.
2. Try to talk over him like Bill O'Reilly.
3. Refuse to answer like a big baby.
Not surprisingly, this corporate shill chose options 2 and 3. - RogerStrong, on 07/13/2009, -10/+92>> Really? We have one of the
>> best levels of healthcare
>> in the world.
Unless of course, you're not rich. - novenator, on 07/12/2009, -16/+95Wingnuts are the spokesmen for the insurance industry, who doesn't care that 50 million don't have basic health care.
- novenator, on 07/12/2009, -7/+84The point of health care should be to heal people and prevent conditions from developing in the first place, not to make money. This is why a fully socialized system based on the Scandinavian model is where we should be going. Single payer would be OK, but not great, but we are not even going to get that. A public option is the most courageous the politicians can muster in the face of an unprecedented propaganda campaign by a well fueled insurance industry who rakes in billions annually from screwing people.
- ChileanGoD, on 07/13/2009, -7/+79The land of the free... to die.
- poprocksandsoda, on 07/12/2009, -14/+83As a Repub I'm all for Universal Health Care for American Citizens (no illegals). I think it should extend into dental and eye coverage as well along with preventative health care such as offsetting the cost of gym/exercise facilities. I also think that abortions should be funded as well through the federal government. I think both solutions would lead to less unhealthy people in our country.
- strangewill, on 07/13/2009, -8/+75>> Really? We have one of the
>> best levels of healthcare
>> in the world.
Tell that to the WHO, or anyone else that does actual studies based on facts and numbers, and not "if you don't agree we are the best, you're unamerican". - shupy, on 07/12/2009, -10/+71When it comes to healthcare for the average american, we are already in the third world.
- stuffradio, on 07/13/2009, -3/+55As a Canadian, and a Canadian Conservative voter, this is one thing I can definitely condemn the Republicans on (there are a few other issues as well, but not talking about them in here :) )
I'm tired of the US politicians ragging on us Canadians as some excuse for what does and does not work when they're ignorant. For example, that show on Fox news I think it was that was aired at 2 or 3 in the morning talking about how Canadians were 'taking vacation from the war'.
I get mad at my dad every time I see him watching Fox or CNN (although I do go to CNN sometimes for big events that happen in America) - yocouchdigga, on 07/13/2009, -1/+52everyone should have.
- brsox2445, on 07/13/2009, -4/+55I really didnt see how Kucinich was rude, he asked him a question and he wouldnt/couldnt answer it.
- S1ngular1ty1, on 07/13/2009, -3/+53In the US health care is rationed by who has the most money instead of who actually needs it first.
- sb66, on 07/13/2009, -7/+54- Who the ***** goes bankrupt over dental bills and eyeglasses? Also welfare pays for dental for the really poor.
- waiting times at walk in clinics are an hour max typically. I can also make an appointment in a day or two at the family practice of a local hospital.
- die waiting for immigration? Wow its amazing the canadian media has never mentioned this is going on. Because its not.
Nice try though. Did you earn your check from the insurance companies? - inhaler, on 07/13/2009, -1/+46I'm glad that your surgery went so well. I could only hope here, stateside, if I ever find myself in a similar situation that I am treated within a reasonable amount of time without bankrupting me.
I live in a city with one of the best hospitals in the world (Cleveland) and I can't get a simple barium swallow done (dysphagia) because it'll cost me too much. My roommate (a physician from South Korea) can't understand why it'll cost me several hundred dollars for a test that costs less than $50 overseas.
FYI: I'm a poor college student. - HimThatSpeaks, on 07/13/2009, -3/+48I am calling ***** on this post. My son needed to see a specialist for an ear infection. Here in the states. He had it for three weeks. I had Blue Shield. Our medical group said no, he could not see a specialist. ***** health care in the states. I will take a government program and I have Blue Shield. My provider will never do anything that I really need done. With full insurance they tried to charge us the full price for a delivery. If medical insurance worked the way it was suppose to... but with the ***** we have now...
- ImperialSoren, on 07/13/2009, -3/+45dead on except for the part where Dennis is a logical, honorable, intelligent man who has a firm grasp on the issues and Palin is a drowning bimbo.
- BasalCellBossk, on 07/13/2009, -23/+64Barney the Dinosaur would make a better president than Ron Paul.
- JITerraza, on 07/13/2009, -1/+41[citation needed]
- gottadiggit, on 07/13/2009, -1/+39if we only had a congress full of dennis k's and ron p's we would be so much better off. obviously they do not agree on everything but they both have integrity and concern for the common citizen. everything would work itself out and we would not be where we are right now! .
- Hillsfar, on 07/13/2009, -2/+40No matter which side of the debate you are on, you gotta admit that, to the 47 million uninsured in America, the Canadian health care system looks pretty good. They'd rather have some "rationing" than no rations at all.
- timpoke8, on 07/13/2009, -6/+43I was believing you about being a Republican until the abortion part...
- chunkybeefstu, on 07/13/2009, -2/+39>> Really? We have one of the
>> best levels of healthcare
>> in the world.
Hey, I think I've seen this report. Published by Pfizer, right? - Khast, on 07/13/2009, -2/+39I know it would never happen. But health "insurance" is a scam. What the government should do is legislate that insurance companies must:
1) Disclose ALL cases where the insurance claim will be denied up front. No surprises, no hidden "Sorry that's not covered"
2) Limit the amount of profit insurance companies are allowed to claim for "administrative costs" With some insurance companies only 35 cents out of every dollar goes towards benefits...IT SHOULD BE NO LESS THAN 90c/$1.00 (This would fix our insurance problem once and for all.)
Insurance companies aren't there to "help" you when you need it. They are there to make a profit. Get the profit out of the health insurance, and the US healthcare problem will be solved. - inactive, on 07/13/2009, -2/+39No, all of the companies are striking it rich now by treating cancer w/out curing it. If they cure it, they can't keep selling drugs. The motivation for saving thousands of lives ought to be saving thousands of lives.
- RogerStrong, on 07/13/2009, -2/+38The American system already rationing in a big way - they simply don't call it that. And it's not just organ transplants.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story ... - FmyLife, on 07/13/2009, -3/+37He is my congressman! Such a cool guy, back when I was in highschool and we'd do an anti-war protest he actually came and made sure the cops didn't ***** with us. He did this more than once.
- RogerStrong, on 07/13/2009, -3/+36>> People can go bankrupt
>> from health costs in Canada
Many Canadians - like myself - have insurance through work. Insurance that's far cheaper because of what the public system covers.
>> Average wait in triage at
>> most hospitals: 4-6 hours.
Whoa there. That figure - from the Ontario government site that tracks it - is the TOTAL time spent in emergency, including waiting for test results, and for treatment.
For example I went in with cheat pains, and was triaged by a doctor within five minutes. A more thorough check-out came a few minutes later. Then I had blood tests, EKG and X-Rays. Then I waited for the results. Total time in Emergency: 3 hours.
In other word, while I was checked out by a doctor WITHIN FIVE MINUTES, it's considered 3 hours by the standard you quote. A reasonable time for testing and for results to come back.
>> Average wait for specialists: 1-3 months.
That's where private insurance comes in. Faced with a long wait for sleep apnea testing, I went to a private clinic instead and was seen immedietly. Then I went to another private clinic for treatment. (CPAP machine.) My private insurance through work covered it. Again, insurance that costs far less because of what the public system covers.
>> the very few private clinics that exist
Most walk-in clinics, doctors' practices and hospitals are privately owned. Nothing stops specialized private clinics like the one I went to for sleep apnea treatment from opening up.
>> A lot of doctors trained in Canada
>> cross the border to practice in the
>> US, where the pay is much better.
The Canadian system pays for a much larger percentage of tuition and other student costs. Medical students in Canada graduate in much less debt. American wages for new medical workers reflects the higher debt of American graduates. Some Canadian student take advantage of both - lower canadian costs, then higher American wages.
Not so much any more though, because American malpractice insurance costs are swallowing the difference. The Canadian system makes for much lower malpractice suits, makeing malpractice insurance much cheaper in Canada. (An American doctor's mistake can render a patient uninsurable for life. The NEXT medical problem he has could send his family to the poor house. So the doctor must pay to fix the mistake AND any future medical bills. In Canada the system covers fixing the mistake, and the patient will never be denied insurance because of it.)
>> certification [...] painfully complex
Those higher standards are why the American system recruits heavily within Canada. Canadian taxpayers effectively subsidize the American system by training medical workers for it.
>> Thus massive shortages of
>> both family doctors and
>> specialists with no hope in sight.
In rural areas, JUST LIKE in the U.S.
We're pretty much equal with the U.S. both in rural areas and in cities.
>> It's not a perfect system.
Americans pay far more in *taxes* for their health care system - even those Americans who are denied health care anyway because they can't afford the additional out-of-pocket expense. For me the ideal would be the Canadian system with the American level of tax funding. - RiperSnifle, on 07/13/2009, -16/+49Born and raised in Canada. Trust me, it's better here.
- Kaegro, on 07/13/2009, -7/+40So, the guy getting slammed was upset at Kucicnich because he could answer his simple questions so he stopped. What a fag, I hope he gets fired from his job. big time.
I would have loved to watch the rest of it. - inactive, on 07/13/2009, -2/+33Your friend died from cancer because he ***** had cancer. It sucks but sometimes, and I know this is hard to believe, there is no cure for cancer.
- MWeather, on 07/13/2009, -1/+32"We have one of the best levels of healthcare in the world. "
What good does that do anyone if they can't access it? - ace429k, on 07/13/2009, -2/+33no Troll. you go back to your cage!
- yocouchdigga, on 07/13/2009, -1/+31Hopefully he runs again.
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