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- philosophyzombi, on 03/30/2009, -1/+53FTA
The loss of Democratic interest in a special prosecutor suggests that the signers made the recommendation last year knowing that Mukasey would ignore it but thinking that the letter would appease the Democratic “base,” which was calling for accountability on Bush’s war crimes.
Sadly, that sounds about right. - homercles337, on 03/30/2009, -0/+44FTA: ...the focus has shifted to the economy and that pressure for a special prosecutor to bring criminal charges over the Bush administration’s past actions could become a distraction to that focus.
So these asshats are *completely* incapable of doing more than one thing at a time? Can they walk and chew gum at the same time, or is that too distracting? - JoeParanoid, on 03/30/2009, -1/+43Naw, they just said what the public wanted to hear until the election was over. The Dems know we have nowhere else to turn and pooh-pooh third parties specifically for that reason. Because, underneath, it's all about the status quo.
- RiotHeart, on 04/01/2009, -3/+26
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /s <<<<<<<<<<<<<< - fyngyrz, on 04/01/2009, -2/+24> Dems Won't Renew Calls Made in 08 For Criminal Probe of Bush
...that's because they don't take their oath to defend the constitution any more seriously than Bush jr. did. Huge surprise. Not.
Torture? Fine. Searches without warrants? Oh, fine. Suppression of free speech? Go right ahead. Commerce clause? Turned on its head, and that's perfectly ok. Ex post facto laws? You bet. Bills of attainder? Sure. All in a day's work for the general run of utter scum you'll find making laws for the rest of us.
But hey, smoke some pot, and you're going to jail. Do it three times, and in some places, you'll go for life. Obama approves of this state of affairs, as he showed by LAUGHING at you when you made legalizing it the top issue on his Internet forum.
Double standards, anyone? You betcha. - GeographyJoe, on 03/30/2009, -0/+20PROSECUTE. Where is Holder? Why do we need congress to call for a criminal probe? Who in the Hell would want to probe bush or cheney anyway?
- jhails, on 04/01/2009, -1/+16Lots of no change here.
- Phylter, on 03/30/2009, -0/+15KABUKI !!! All of it!
- CosmicSurfer, on 03/31/2009, -6/+20With all of the posturing by the Democrats, they STILL will not listen. The war will still be on - American Exceptionalists vs the Universe.
Those who believe they are bigger, better, brighter, and blessed by the holiest of holys - allowing them free pass on everything from murder to mayhem STILL get by with anything they want without a care for the destruction they leave in their wake.
Constitution? Applies to them only - everyone else be damned; Laws apply to the unwashed masses; Ethics - who cares for they are always right
But anyone confronts the hubris; anyone crosses their path; anyone objects to their behavior then he./she is painted to be evil, an enemy of the state; terrorist; unpatriotic; animal and the scum of the earth.
GW and his puppet masters appear to be sliding into the history books with a free pass and they will be back, bigger and worse than ever. Every time that cabal gets back in to office, they commit more heinous crimes - this time a war and torture, kidnapping and murder....
What will it take before the American people rise up and make this stop?
We voted in Obama with a promise of change...I was willing to give him a month pr two to get grounded but one CANNOT ignore the illegal and immoral acts that blatantly went before to "move towards the future".
If Obama chooses not to do anything, he is complicit every bit as much as Gonzales, Rice, and Mukasey.
Cheney is STILL causing trouble - running through the world spreading vicious and dangerous lies about the plans Obama has for foreign policy. Obama's response? Just a few snide remarks; a few wise cracks in a TV interview...That IS Obama's response?
Oh, yeah, the one or two memos released for public consumption to try to appear he is outraged by the whole mess.
I gave my 60 days for honeymoon....Honeymoon's over...Time to get the cuffs...
These ***** need to be frog-marched in front of a grand jury, charged with murder in the first, crimes against humanity and Torture....
FOR THOSE who insist on vomiting the talking points of the PNAC, Cheney and the rest of the Neo-Con sympathizers, revisionists and Renfields promoting the CRAP that Torture is not and was not illegal because there is no law, it was not on US soil, etc, etc:
US Code Title 18 Part I Chapter 113C Sec 2340A Definitions As
used in this chapter -
(1) "torture" means an act committed by a person acting under
the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical
or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering
incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his
custody or physical control;
(2) "severe mental pain or suffering" means the prolonged
mental harm caused by or resulting from -
(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of
severe physical pain or suffering;
(B) the administration or application, or threatened
administration or application, of mind-altering substances or
other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or
the personality;
(C) the threat of imminent death; or
(D) the threat that another person will imminently be
subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the
administration or application of mind-altering substances or
other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or
personality; and
(3) "United States" means the several States of the United
States, the District of Columbia, and the commonwealths,
territories, and possessions of the United States.
Choke on it - inactive, on 04/01/2009, -0/+12It's only abuse when the OTHER ***** is doing it.
- buckrogers1965, on 04/01/2009, -1/+12This is it. Time to elect in the libertarian party so we can actually get justice and smaller government.
The good news is that these criminal ***** are going to be tried and convicted in jurisdictions around the world in the years to come. - Barackalypse, on 04/01/2009, -2/+13November fools! You thought you were voting for change and repudiation of the Bush policies, instead you got continuation and capitulation. But, look on the bright side, I'm sure the Republicans will do just as little to Obama for whatever unConstitutional crap he pulls.
- Barackalypse, on 04/01/2009, -1/+11So, now that you've seen that the Democrats can't be trusted with power anymore than the Republicans, can we set about the task of removing all these unprincipled usurpers from power and restore a Constitutionally limited Government please? I'd recommend we give them a military tribunal and then rendition them to Turkey for interrogation using the methods they refuse to hold anyone else accountable for using.
- govsucks, on 04/01/2009, -0/+10Um, we just said that so you would elect us. Thanks. -DNC
- kurttrail, on 04/01/2009, -0/+10Dems living up to their reputation of being ball-less wonders yet again! What is to stop some future Administration, if those that approved torture get away with it?
This is a hell of a lot more important than lying about a blow job. This is about whether we are a nation that believes in the rule of law or not.
Why should any individual citizen follow the law, if the gov't doesn't?
This is a sad day indeed! - Captj, on 04/01/2009, -2/+11...April fools! ...Right? :( Come on guys...right??
- shoxwave, on 04/01/2009, -2/+11Dems wont recall because they themselves are wrecking havoc in the obamish government.
- 3nder99, on 04/01/2009, -0/+8Here is the reason the Democrats will never even consider taking this further. This is just the tip of the iceberg, to go down this road would bring the Democratic Party to its knees.
"In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.
Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic ... - Barackalypse, on 04/01/2009, -0/+8"except the laws don't apply to the people that make them".
- brickbat, on 04/01/2009, -0/+8"We are a nation of laws."
Well ***** you. - dayal911, on 04/01/2009, -0/+8Obviously the Democrats don't want themselves investigated either.
Stop blindly following parties. - Timetheos, on 04/01/2009, -0/+7Pisses me off. Why the hell don't they simply appoint an indepedent investigator (a real one, not a sham like Ken Starr) to look into it and let them determine if anything should be prosecuted? If so, let the courts handle it.
My guess is some of the Dems on the intelligence committee saw what was going on and didn't do anything. If Bush gets nailed, he'll try to pull them down with him. - 3nder99, on 04/01/2009, -1/+8Hard to charge Bush with something Congress signed off on. But hey, the Democrats can still use it politically.
"In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.
Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic ... - Rothbardosaurus, on 04/01/2009, -0/+7The whole 2008 campaign is going to turn out to be a four-year-long April Fool's joke.
- SuperVepr308, on 04/01/2009, -0/+6Suprise! You all got duped!
- Wargala, on 04/01/2009, -7/+13What do you expect? I've told you all along that Democrats were spineless and weak, and you all dugg me down. Well now I'm proven right YET AGAIN. Doesn't that get old to you guys when I get to tell you "I told you so"?
- AlterLite, on 04/01/2009, -2/+8April Fools Day actually occurred on November 4th 2008. That was the day the whole country was fooled into thinking that there was going to be change in this country.
- novenator, on 03/31/2009, -4/+10yeah, *that's* it.
How's the kool aid tasting? - founderofpork, on 04/01/2009, -0/+6I care. Because I'd go to jail for torturing people.
Every day Bush & Cheney aren't on trial is a day that "law" has no meaning in the USA. - Naieve, on 04/01/2009, -0/+6Shh, the Democrats are the good guys, stop bothering us with these pesky facts.
Pelosi just didn't understand the definition of torture when she was given a detailed explanation of what we were going to do. - inactive, on 04/01/2009, -2/+8Bush is part of the special secret club. Because he is a member, he's untouchable.
- novenator, on 03/31/2009, -1/+6oops. Been arguing with wingnuts for too long, it's hard to distinguish sometimes. Apologies.
- nofreedom4theUS, on 04/01/2009, -0/+4They are all puppets. The puppeteers just protect all of their past puppets.
- jjmelch, on 04/01/2009, -0/+4WTF? There is already enough to try Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi for treason. Maybe they are worried about karma. You stupid ***** voted for what you are getting. I think McCain is an incompetent fool but he is far better than what you libs have unleashed on this country. Other countries used to hate the US now they just laugh. Later on when you realize what these people have done to a once wonderful country please find the testicular fortitude to admit you ***** UP ROYALLY!
- freedomjoe, on 03/31/2009, -4/+8Even Bill O'Rielly admits this is nothing like a socialist state, so please consider reading up on socialism before it loses any meaning at all here. The GOP just keeps rinsing and repeating various forms of red scares....it never changes and this is no different. Just remember what happened to McCarthy. He didn't come through that very well -- and Bachmann et al will not look good in history.
Social democracies are great places to live and score much higher on quality of life tests. - mystcnurse, on 04/01/2009, -0/+4Because Citizens go to jail if they don't, government officials, not so much.
- treehugger87, on 04/01/2009, -0/+3Yeah, we should take that attitude with all murderers and thieves, it would save us a lot of money on incarceration costs.
- stix213, on 04/01/2009, -0/+3Of course they did. They only wanted to prosecute Bush because they thought the morons of America would vote for them if they lied to you like that. Turns out they were 100% correct.
- Kangalanatolian, on 04/01/2009, -0/+3Maybe we should focus on the next election already. I could see a use for statewide petitions to eliminate total dependency on programmable vote counting machines. If that is done in conjunction with clamping down on felon voters, etc, EVERYONE should sign it.
IRV voting is also a great way to avoid throwing away your vote. Instant Recount Voting allows the most popular candidate to win, minimizing the media role in deciding who that candidate is. Google it for a complete explanation.
IRV can be accomplished AND checked by real live people. We don't have to trust a computer program about who we voted for. - jjmelch, on 04/01/2009, -0/+3There is a change in case you didn't notice. Increased taxes, government seizing private companies, control of every aspect of your life. Hell, how could things get any better?
- Infowarsdotcom, on 04/01/2009, -8/+10But Democrats are the saviors and they aren't Bush so that means everything is perfect and all we have to do is believe in Change and Obama will save us all...
Bush was the worst president we've ever had and Obama is quickly trying to out *****-up him. Either way, Democrats and Republicans are the worst political parties to ever happen to this country. They're both selling out the people who put them in power and they both need to suck a sweaty ball sack.
Get involved with your local government if you want to see change... - w1cked1, on 04/01/2009, -1/+3Yes we.... change you can... aaaaawww, *****. He dun gots white palms after all, must share a cookie jar.
These systems are based on power and greed, and the greed of power. They're designed curropted, ***** from the ground up, destined to fail when the illusion does. Obama is a cool dude and inspirational and all that, even though after the drab that bush was, *****, even palin was insp.irational.
Voting and allowing it to continue while expecting and hoping for change is the dumbest sham going other than 911, war on drugs and war on terrah. Elections (unless stolen) are just turkey shoots, you're going to end up with another ***** turkey regardless and have to pay the same ***** farmer either way.
This is equivalent to Wallstreet *****, all that matters is that you keep believing in it and the wheels will keep turning no matter how bad they ***** you over. You expect them to "self govern"?? Police themselves??? How about trickle down politics/freedom???
It's entirely ***** up to see how far things have fallen in just the last decade, violates all I've ever been taught, and it's just business as usual.... "save us limbaugh".
I've said it before but considering the kind of treason bush and his pigs pulled off, third world countries are far more advanced, they'd have tried him for treason, putting his greed ahead of the good of the country, put him in front of a firing squad and ***** shot him. Oooh but you're not barbarians that way, you're more advanced than a third world country..... you don't torture..... you have rights............
"I know the pieces fit, cause I watched them fall apart" - CaptOblivious, on 04/01/2009, -6/+8God dammit I want every ***** person that approved of torture or knew of it and did nothing to prevent or stop it tried in a court and punished.
If it means jailing every goddamn politician in the ***** country so be it. - mrcoderga, on 04/02/2009, -0/+2prosecute torture.
- moduc, on 04/01/2009, -0/+2It's something else than not capable of doing more than 1 thing at a time:
<a class="user" href="http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/04/01/ ... rel="nofollow">http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/04/01/ ...</a>
Ho-hum. Another Obama nominee doesn’t pay taxes</a>
<a class="user" href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/01/stevens.cas ... rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/01/stevens.cas ...</a>
The Justice Department asked a federal court Wednesday to "set aside the verdict and dismiss the indictment" in the corruption case against former Sen. Ted Stevens of Alaska, court documents show.</a>
What's going on? Bush era repeats again? - jjmelch, on 04/01/2009, -1/+2You probably think that Pelosi, Dodd, Frank and Reid are saints. Politicians are all the same.
- gigamugged, on 04/01/2009, -1/+2Is anyone going to do something about this? It is tax time, conveniently... tax protest is the only way "we the people" will get our voices heard these days (and it instantly makes whatever we decide to protest an economic issue).
- jjmelch, on 04/01/2009, -0/+1From what I heard Cheny is hung! On the other hand I would love to see the folks in current administration hanged.
- bixel, on 04/02/2009, -0/+1so. What are you gonna do about it?
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