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- elshanero, on 07/08/2009, -26/+712If only the American people would read before voting, then maybe most of these douchebags wouldn't be in office.
- yocouchdigga, on 07/08/2009, -32/+718“I think if the framers of our Constitution ever saw an entire legislative body vote on a 1,500-page bill that no one had read, they would shudder--if not go into fits of apoplexy.”
I have a feeling the founders would ***** some ***** up, even if all they had were muskets. It's a spit in the face to everything our country was founded on. - PeanutCheeseBar, on 07/08/2009, -111/+474Change we can believe in.
- smacksaw, on 07/09/2009, -91/+340As someone who is neither a Democrat nor a Republican, how is this any different or worse than all of the Republicans who didn't read...oh, I don't know...the Patriot Act or authorised Bush's war in Iraq?
Seems to me like a bit of hypocrisy. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. This has nothing to do with him being a Democrat and everything to do with him being a dumbass, which seems to cross party lines. The real story is that we should not be passing 1,500 page-long laws.
And what in the hell is CNS News? It's like an opposite, but somehow lamer version of HuffPo. Can I say "Buried for CNS News Spam" or will that sort of turnabout make the hypocrites mad? - Shwaavay, on 07/09/2009, -29/+276FTA:
“I’m laughing because a) I don’t know how long this bill is going to be, but it’s going to be a very long bill,” he said.
Boo ***** who. You have to read, I'm so sorry this injustice has been thrust upon you. READ or GTFO - lindenwold, on 07/09/2009, -22/+213uh-oh - front page of digg
here comes the some ***** spewed about the patriot act.
THIS ISN"T ABOUT DEMS OR REPS, IT'S ABOUT CONGRESS AS A WHOLE . . and btw, if this article were about a republican, it'd have 3000 diggs by now - papashawn, on 07/09/2009, -7/+188RTFB
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███████████▓░...........░▓▓▓█▓░.░░.................████████████ - Abatrour, on 07/09/2009, -9/+169It's starting to look obvious that hardly anyone with any kind of power in the USA gives a flying ***** about their citizens.
I think it is about time you Americans riot. Get your pitch forks, you guys should have an old fashioned hanging. - NSResponder, on 07/08/2009, -49/+205Steny Hoyer: always a scumbag, now even more blatant about it. Film at 11.
-jcr - Fhwqhgads, on 07/09/2009, -5/+1321. Who gave us the most money and what bills do they want passed for their benefit?
2. Approved.
Next bill please. - MattB123, on 07/09/2009, -15/+139This isn't change, it's business as usual. But I agree it sucks.
- inactive, on 07/09/2009, -3/+114Stop writing such convoluted bills then you ***** pieces of *****.
- brbeaird, on 07/09/2009, -27/+138What a douche. Congress is out of control.
- inactive, on 07/09/2009, -11/+114"The country would grind to a standstill if Congressmen spent all their time reading bills instead of writing bills, voting and attending their committees."
No, the country would not grind to a standstill.
The GOVERNMENT would slow down and maybe, just maybe, THINK before it passes laws and that is ALWAYS a good thing. In fact, it would be a GREAT thing. - JPHR, on 07/09/2009, -3/+92If you need a bill of 1500 pages for this subject you might have a more fundamental problem with your legislative process...
- Doubledown, on 07/09/2009, -3/+88I do not think people should digg you down... You are right. we should not be passing 1500 page bills.
However, if we do pass them, don't you think we should have the time to read them over and not have amendments submitted in the middle of the night only to vote the next day on it.
As for CNS news... does it really matter who reports it if it actually happened? - twiztidsinz, on 07/09/2009, -3/+83Not to exclude them from blame, but in all fairness...
It's not the Democrat Leader, or the Democrats, it's EVERYONE. - Shwaavay, on 07/09/2009, -9/+84"Taxpayers pay big bucks so our lawmakers can have staff who will read the bills for them."
Then what the hell do we pay our Representatives for?!?! Just have the damn staffers vote! At least they know what they are voting on! - OuijaCat, on 07/09/2009, -13/+86These guys are "lawmakers"? - Even a lawyer knows you should always read a contract before you sign it !
- bardo, on 07/09/2009, -3/+74Every bill should be available to the public to read for 72 hours before being voted on.. No last minute 500 pages of amendments that nobody has read... If the bill is going to be in effect for years, 3 days of public inspection and comment is not asking too much. To laugh at such a common sense suggestion is a sign of just how out of touch our politians are.
- Opiate, on 07/09/2009, -20/+89Congress, the only terrorists who actually have an affect on you...
- tuka, on 07/09/2009, -2/+68There's only one change needed.
Open Source EVERY ***** BILL. Put it on the internet with a mandatory 2 weeks display time before voting. If you ***** in congress won't do your jobs we'll do it for you. Then hold their feet to the flames.
Unfortunately we're all too ***** stupid to focus on basic freedoms and rights, but rather we'd bicker endlessly about meaningless petty ***** in the grand scheme of things. Focus on why we spend so much more money than any other country on every single service, yet our quality of life is worst than most.
Leave this ***** behind and focus on what makes a real difference:
"ohh but jesus....."
"gays should...."
There's no way a healthcare bill needs to be 1500 pages. - duncan202, on 07/09/2009, -5/+70If the bills are too long for the actual legistlators to read, then the bills should be required to be shorter. I propose a 100 page limit. This whole "staffers read the bills" line is *****, and anyone who is ok with that is missing the point... The bill is 1500 PAGES LONG. That's longer than a Stephen King novel. How is this not a problem?
- inactive, on 07/09/2009, -1/+66That would mean education would be a pre-requisite. Common sense would also be mandatory. BLASPHEMY!
- ericdano, on 07/09/2009, -4/+67Isn't that their job? To read and vote on legislation?
This is BS. These "politicians" need to be ousted. They are the problem. - Doubledown, on 07/08/2009, -15/+78I certainly hope you forgot the /s at the end of that statement
- GrodyChamp, on 07/09/2009, -16/+78I love all the comments justifying what this ***** is saying by mentioning bills the GOP put through. So since someone else ***** up before, it's cool if these jokers ***** up now? Seriously? You people are scum.
- discoltk, on 07/09/2009, -8/+69And all software users should pledge to read every EULA they click on.
What we need is a constitutional amendment requiring bills submitted to votes by legislative bodies be required to be readable by non-lawyers. - astinus12, on 07/09/2009, -6/+63As a Democrat from MD, I won't be voting for Hoyer. This is just ridiculous. If he doesn't want to do his job, maybe he should be working in fast food or something.
- Dereliction, on 07/09/2009, -2/+53@Abatrour
We Americans have become too fat and lazy and apathetic to our own situation to actually do something like that. Yes, the American experiment is over. Now it languishes in corruption and greed and ignorance, waiting for its inevitable slide into the oblivion of history to be compared and analyzed by future scholars and school children as the Rome of its day, incapable of rising above its own malfeasance in order to save itself.
@Suzilla
Our laws? Armed insurrection was the very birth pangs of the country. Overthrow of the government was the law. As Thomas Jefferson once said:
"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion ... If [the public] remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. And what country can preserve its liberties if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.
The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
What more need be said? Our politicians ARE tyrants but where is resistance to be found? Why have the American people not abandoned the facade of modern American politics, wholesale, and demand--with a real threat of insurrection--that the government reform itself to their interest or be forcibly dismantled? Seriously, why is there even one person in the whole of the nation who would proudly call themselves a Democrat or a Republican? Ignorance, insanity, and cowardliness, that is why.
Meanwhile, the tree of liberty withers and no one so much as lifts a finger in her plight. - Apocrypha, on 07/09/2009, -7/+57How much more broken can the system be? Seriously, how much more?
- tasine, on 07/09/2009, -5/+54There is no difference WHO does it! It is wrong, wrong, wrong for these well paid congress persons to be so negligent as to vote for ANY bill it has not only read, but also digested possible ramifications of same.
But they don't have time for that. They're too busy dilly-dallying, campaigning, raising cash (legal or illegal), taking world tours on my pitiful dollar to be bothered to read a monstrosity of a bill. Any bill longer than the US Constitution is TOO LONG. Congress is the biggest problem America has. - dahatecatalyst, on 07/09/2009, -9/+57Senators are in place to do a simple jobs.
1) Read and understand bills
2) Vote on those bills in representation of the people
Cliffnotes were never part of this. Thats like a Doctor prescribing medication without ever seeing a patient or reviewing their dossier.
Coup d'estat
They wanted an awful lot of accountability the last 8 years and now they wanna be unaccountable. I've said it a number of times - with 2 parties our country's lawmaking ability has restorted to complete twits. - lostarchitect, on 07/09/2009, -2/+47You're right, but I don't think anyone is pretending that this is a partisan issue. They all do it, and everyone knows it.
- DigDugDigger, on 07/09/2009, -4/+49We all have parts of our jobs that suck. If you don't feel like reading bills, maybe some other career path is right for you.
A lot of these guys aren't even present for votes too. If I'm not present at my job I'm fired.
***** needs to *change*. - duerra, on 07/09/2009, -3/+48Downsize DC has been pushing their "Read the Bills Act" for years, which is an attempt to make legislators read the entirety of any bill they vote on before the vote is held.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read_the_Bills_Act
I wrote one of my congress critters about it a couple years ago and I was replied to with a "I have never heard of this bill" generic response, otherwise not indicating any interest in the actual proposal itself. - mollydog12, on 07/09/2009, -23/+65angel.
no problem with executives staffing out the grunt work. but that's not what's happening here. these bills are being passed without the staffs given the chance to sift thru them and develop informed options for our representatives to choose from. weren't 300 pages of amendments to the climate control bill dumped on the table early in the morning of the vote ? it wasn't the first time this administration which, campaigned on a platform of transparency, pulled that little trick.
the bammo MO is to talk sh*t and then slip the knife in when no one is looking and make sure, whatever the issue, that the base is paid off. the real dupes are the taxpayers who voted for him expecting better. the welfare class, public and private unions, and bureaucracy always know to vote the biggest payout of other peoples money. they're pragmatists who vote their self interest, everyone else who voted for this cunning blowhard is a fool.
- TheShad0w, on 07/09/2009, -12/+50Hey, this isn't just Dems. Republicans did the same thing. Its the same crap just a different chapter. I'm sick of all of them personally. I wish we could just kick them all out of office. They are obviously all incompetent.
- censormagnet, on 07/09/2009, -1/+39he really does have a point doesnt he ;)
when is america going to stop voting for color coded political parties? - MatlasK, on 07/09/2009, -5/+43"House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said Tuesday 'tl;dr."
- BlackOculus, on 07/09/2009, -7/+42They would read the bills if they were written in blow on a hookers ***.
- tasine, on 07/09/2009, -16/+50I don't know about you, AngelaQ, but I voted for senators and representatives, not their staff whom I don't know. The good senators would have time if they didn't waste so much of it traveling, campaigning, fundraising, and goodness knows what else, you know, like hanky-panky at local motels. Not only that, as far as I know, nothing they vote on except war is of an emergency nature. If we relied on Congress for emergency things, we'd all be dead.
- JK1150, on 07/09/2009, -12/+44Time to add a provision on one of the back pages of an environmental bill to impeach Steny Hoyer
- Suzilla, on 07/09/2009, -8/+40Our laws take a rather dim (and very specific) view regarding the advocacy of armed insurrection and/or overthrow of the government.
Riot? Hell, we're too f*cking LAZY to bother reading the balloting circulars that go around listing who's running and for what office. If people just did that, and took note of who the incumbents are, and then voted for anyone BUT those incumbents, we'd have a far more vital and viable government. As it is, we're too fat, too stupid, too illiterate, and too sated to be bothered so much as going to the polls. We're all about raising forks to stuff pseudo-food into our maws -- most of us wouldn't know a piitchfork from a pitch pipe. - Striker101, on 07/09/2009, -17/+47We need a march on D.C., lock the doors of congress whether they're in or out matters not. We really ought to have done that months ago.
- duncan202, on 07/09/2009, -4/+34Umm... as far as I know the vote for the Patriot Act was almost 100% yeas from both sides of the aisle.
- scoot2006, on 07/09/2009, -3/+33Reading about the candidates wont help when it doesn't matter which one is elected because they'll vote on whatever bill their campaign contributors and lobbyists tell them to. The entire system is broke.
- WhiskeyLemur, on 07/09/2009, -1/+31lukeatron, the human languages are incredibly powerful and flexible tools. If lawyers can make the "wherefores" and "lessors/lessees" and "let it thus be resolveds" loophole-proof, then they can also do it using other verbiage. If anything, the legalese makes it *easier* to misinterpret it, which I guarantee is the whole point.
- AnotherDiggGuy, on 07/09/2009, -8/+37Any politician who does not read in full what they are voting on should not be able to vote. If they vote without reading, they should be immediatly be forced to resign.
Politicians shape America. They shouldn't be treating America like high school kids that wing exams without studying (which incidentally government education lets those kids get C's just to pump them through the liberal education system ASAP) -
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