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- mrharvey518, on 10/12/2007, -8/+79@ Littlebylittle
I know that we have and most likely seen eye to eye on political issues, but I truly respect your view that the bury button has far too much emphasis on the sites that hit the front page.
It is shameful and cowardly to immediately bury stories that conflict with your own political view. I have only buried three stories in my entire digg history, but sadly there are diggers out there that immediately bury stories from sites that they do not like.
If you do not agree with a story, don't digg it and post a comment stating why. Don't be a coward. - Prysorra, on 10/12/2007, -6/+64"but stop spam"
When it's against your political beliefs, and you call it spam, that's called "rationalization". - gord, on 10/12/2007, -5/+52Absolutely. Too much burying goes on, of comments as well as stories. It stifles what is otherwise a really good site.
- CarpeFishem, on 10/12/2007, -1/+43I think burying/digging comments is all right, because a comment, no matter how buried, is still there to see without having to intentionally search for it.
Stories, though, yeah. No buries. - littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -11/+42Could not agree more.
- littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31"We digg users aren't trying to quiet others but stop spam."
Why not just leave Spam at 1 Digg and call it spam in the comments? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31 littlebylittle, while I disagree with you on almost everything -- you're absolutely right about this issue. Liberals, Conservatives, and Libertarians can see eye-to-eye on somethings.
We really should have a 'Who Buried This' button? Folks would consider twice before burying knowing that they were no longer anonymous.
Also, shouldn't a 'bury' count (-1) just as much as a 'digg' counts (+1)? - ryland2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28@ mohammedaldura
I am almost never in the political sections, yet I completely agree with your point. It seems that 1 bury is worth 10 diggs now, things get buried for no good reason recently... - littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -4/+31Well whatever the case, this post has been buried, 2 hours after being posted.
I tried. - littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -8/+27I'm with ya all the way on that. Post this link in an LGF thread. I'm pretty sure the Lizards would agree with me on this one.
http://www.digg.com/politics/Dear_Kevin_Rose_Please_Create_a_Who_Buried_This_Tab - 5N00PY, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20I think the "bury" button should be eliminated. Let "lack of votes" take care of the problems of spam, lame, etc.., and if Diggers want to point out "dup" or "wrong topic," they can do it in the comments (they usually do, anyway).
BTW, is it my imagination, or are there literally gangs of diggers who are creating accounts just for the sake of burying and trolling? It seems like I see so many Digg ID's with no submissions, and few Diggs - but lots of (negative) comments. - tredglx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Burying stories is a cowardly attempt to beat down opposition to your own beliefs. If you don't like the story - ignore it. Others may want to decide for themselves if they want to read it or not.
We're all bigger than this, regardless of which side of the issue you're on. Play fair or don't play at all. - RuffRidr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19I'm all for it. However, I think there may be some unintended consequences that need to be thought about.
Is the transparency going to actually reduce digging down or increase it? I think probably the latter. Why? Because you'll start to see people look up who Digged down their stories, and get back at them by Digging down all of theirs.
Will this reduce or increase the animosity between groups on Digg (liveral vs. conservative, Apple vs. MS, PS vs. Wii)? Again I think this is just going to make it worse. Finally, you'll be able to see what's happening behind the scenes.
The reason I'm for it, is because it will finally expose the players who make it their job to Digg down certain stories right before or after they make it to the front page. I'm convinced that it is a concerted effort going on. It will be nice to know who needs to be tracked down and reported. - heidikrist, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20The only people who should fear transparency here are those who spend all their time trying to stifle debate--and one has to acknowledge that most of those folks are lefties burying stories submitted by anyone else. I do not bury stories that conflict with my point of view: instead, I IGNORE them and focus on Digging those with which I agree (the name of the site is Digg, after all, not Bury).
- appleann1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Little,
I totally agree with you on this one. I also agree with Ruff and think it would make the problem worse.
The solution would be to just eliminate the bury option. A story would make it based on the number of diggs it received. Many good stories go unnoticed because of the site it came from. - littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -8/+22"Stories, though, yeah. No buries."
Or at least Transparency.
Making My #1 ....... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14OK, littlebylittle, I've answered you over in the Terrorists_trying_to_take_over_the_World.
- StarBroker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Gee I just found that you can bury items by username. Blackolive I found all your posts are SPAM so guess what??
- Keach, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12http://digg.com/politics/Dear_Kevin_Rose_Please_Create_a_Who_Buried_This_Tab
- littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Now Now PRC, this is a Bipartisan concern. We're being nice to each other on this thread.
- Keach, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Since this post is buried, there's only one thing to do for those of us who REALLY feel strongly about this.
Mark as my #1 -- And staying that way.
No disrespect to you Digg. We all obviously like Digg a lot. - Keach, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Diggers like Digg "records." I think we should set a new Digg record for the most Diggs ever after a story has already been buried.
Don't forget about this issue with the 24 Hour News Cycle Political Diggers. If it's important to you spread the word and keep Digging it up. - littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15I don't know who does it most and I don't care. Ruff said it very well: "The reason I'm for it, is because it will finally expose the players who make it their job to Digg down certain stories right before or after they make it to the front page. I'm convinced that it is a concerted effort going on. It will be nice to know who needs to be tracked down and reported." It happens the most with Political Stories for sure, left and right.
I can't imagine who would have buried this post so quickly. - NoamSayin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10The "bury" button must go. What Digg is, is an excellent online representation of the free marketplace of ideas - the core of freedom of speech. Having an ability to limit someone's freedom of speech with just the click of a button just doesn't make sense, and provides only for the "exclusive" their speech and not the "inclusive" our speech.
Noam sayin? - ryland2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Wow, this story is doing extremely well, digg it, #1 it, and spread the word!
- littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Oh and I love to write and I love satire. Probably like most of you, left or right.
And I like puppies and kitties and ...... jk. - littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"And Oh, it is not even logical to not show who is burying what. What is the reason behind that?"
I think it would cause people to police themselves better regarding burying. - deesine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11The "Bury" button has got to be one of the worst features of this site. It just begs to be abused.
Is management unaware of this abuse? If they are, then the only I see to help correct the problem is to make it worse. Start burying any post from thinkprogress.org/dailykos/etc.
This isn't a moral issue. If Mr. Rose & staff are aware of the problem, but feel that in spite of it, they are still catering to their users, then let's all use the "feature". Hey, that's what the button's there for, right?!
I just buried two stories from thinkprogress.org - littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14mohammedaldura, As long as we're having a very rare "Lovefest" around the burying issue, take a look at the position I took today. It was a pretty big concession for me but I truly mean it. Pardon my French in the comment:
Terrorists trying to take over the World?
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Terrorists_trying_to_take_over_the_World
[Caption] Terrorists ultimate aim is to establish "a caliphate covering a region from Spain, across North Africa, through the Middle East and South Asia, all the way to Indonesia -and it wouldn't stop there," the US Vice-President, Dick Cheney, warned yesterday. [End Caption]
by littlebylittle 4 hours ago
"OK. If Cheney thinks he's right on this, then here's what he should do: Phucking tell us what it is "You know that we don't," straight up. Then if we're convinced, put the entire effing country's resources behind the effort, the draft and all! Anything less is unacceptable." - littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"Like I said I'm not in this for the money or to make sure my employer gets elected."
For the record, neither am I. Politics and religion have been favorite topics of mine my entire life. What a combo huh?
As far as the blog thing, sometimes I want to discuss an issue, like this one, but have no other way to do it except to post my thoughts from my simple little blog. I have no ads on my little Digg Blog and I never will. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10a set number of "burials" per person, in a 24 hour day, might work. lately I am more in the habit of thumbs up, or just let it be.
- pierrelegrand, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8One man's propaganda is another man's news story...why not let the story fly and if it doesnt get positive votes it dies?
- NoamSayin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Littlebylittle, are you getting any traction with this story in the front-office? I'm curious to know if anyone in charge has responded.
- OggVorbis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I suggested this on a different thread, but here it is again: If you don't want to completely eliminate the story bury button, ration burys to x per day per account. That'll keep the self-appointed police from burying indiscriminately.
- RadicalRon, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Your suggestion, a very good one by the way, runs contrary to Moonbat Theology. It is only *their* "debate" that counts. Anything that runs counter to their hallucinations is the product of Nazis, fascists, or the Bushchimphitler-littlegreenfootballs-Joooish cabal.
- littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10LOL. Good Humor. I'll Digg up the next LGF story I see because of that.
- littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Not sure who you're referring to, but if me, no. I'm no superior being. I generate plenty of wealth for myself. Digg is where I express passions unencumbered by economics or having to be PC. Digg is one therapy for me.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Interesting story from Sept. 2006:
http://bokardo.com/archives/diggs-design-dilemma/ - RadicalRon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9That shouldn't be hard to do.
It seems that a lot of news items from littlegreenfootballs get buried. Just select one of those and Digg hell out of it. - Misesean, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Talking about the "bury" "feature" for articles, not the red/green thumb buttons for comments.
- NomadOfNorad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Hmmmmmmmm......
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Mob_Rule_at_Digg
Hmmmmmmmm...... - 5N00PY, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Have you e-mailed this to feedback@digg.com?
I did.
Maybe if enough people do that, it'll get someone's attention...who knows? - BottledSunshine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Amen, I agree whole heartedly
- Highrise1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I agree with not burying stories..but I do agree with burying comments.
And Oh, it is not even logical to not show who is burying what. What is the reason behind that? - littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I think the more Diggs this post gets, the more traction it will have. I'd like to see it back out on the homepage, but I doubt Digg does that.
I'm sure Digg is interested in User Opinion. We all really like Digg, or we wouldn't even bother.
Of course it is Digg's site. Obviously it's their call.
Noam Sane? ;) - RadicalRon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Good on ya!
- ryland2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Oh, thought you were implying that there was a story in regards to the 24 hour cycle... Thanks for clearing it up.
- Keach, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Hmm. Is it possible to Digg a buried story out of burial on Digg?
- NomadOfNorad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I'm all for placing a daily per-user limit on the number of Buries, and would welcome having a Who Burried This tab as standard.
- HectorsRevenge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"Personally I find myself burying stories more frequently than I did before for the simple matter that the headline, the comment line, or the story (or too often all three) are so distorted they are no longer factual but merely serve as an excuse to hurl insults and denigrate certain people, races, or religions."
Bhima, that's a fairly large umbrella you're sporting. I sincerely doubt that your value judgments are as accommodating as most, and that being the case you are probably not being equitable. Using your criteria I could bury any story that didn't suit my ideological tastes and pose the exercise as a legitimately practical necessity. I see your 'open-mindedness' as being very close-minded.
Perhaps an alternative to mindsets such as Bhima's is for someone to take the initiative to construct a competing site that approaches information filtering with an entirely different paradigm... -
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