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- dotlizard, on 05/21/2008, -11/+83hmm i wonder if the transcription of that quote is a bit off. anyway what he MEANT and i am sure of it is, "if you don't want to vote for him because he's black, then I don't want your vote".
and that's exactly the stand that the Clintons should be taking rather than running around saying how electable she is b/c the white people love her so much. ugh. - blackbeardtron, on 05/21/2008, -10/+56Obama doesn't go around bragging about his "working class black" voting base, and being critical of Hillary for not being able to secure those votes. Therein lies the difference, my friend.
- MotherGinSling, on 05/21/2008, -4/+35I'm not aware of any black people saying they would never vote for a white person, yet many voters in West Virginia and Kentucky said they would never vote for a black man.
- geneikillua, on 05/21/2008, -9/+35A substantial portion of the Democratic black community feels as if it's a betrayal to their race if you don't vote for Obama, and a substantial portion of the Democratic female community feels as if it's sexist not to vote for Clinton. These viewpoints in and of themselves are racist and sexist. I don't think Clinton or Obama has to apologize for sexist or racist voters who voted for them unless of course they specifically targeted that vote. However, what shouldn't be pussy-footed around is the fact that both sexism for and against women, and racism both for and against blacks, is being a major factor in the Democratic primaries.
- ed3839, on 05/21/2008, -2/+28Edwards said during one of the debates, "If you won't vote for him because he is black, or for her because she is a woman, than I don't want your vote." But then, he has a lot more class than Hilary, and isn't willing to do anything to get elected.
- dotlizard, on 05/21/2008, -10/+30no, you DON'T hear Obama talking about how popular he is amongst African Americans. but you DO hear Hillary talking about how popular she is amongst whites. you DO hear Hillary implying this white popularity makes her more electable in the general election.
it's a pretty huge difference there. if Obama was claiming to be more electable and the better nominee choice because of his popularity with African Americans, would you as a white person vote for him? can you blame African Americans (whose support for him was initially very low) for not wanting to vote for someone who equates popularity amongst whites with electability? really. - centerblack, on 05/21/2008, -3/+23Not all white people voting for a white candidate are racist.
Not all black people voting for a black candidate are racist.
Not all men voting for a male are sexist.
Not all women voting for a female are sexist. - TheThirdLevel, on 05/21/2008, -2/+17Is his pastor now his campaign manager or something?
- Eezyville, on 05/21/2008, -2/+14I didn't know his pastor was running for president?
- mnemy, on 05/21/2008, -6/+17I guess taking the high road might help her a little now, but it's really too late. We all know she'd just be saying that for political reasons. The truth is, you just can't trust anything she says to be the way she actually thinks.
- dotlizard, on 05/21/2008, -6/+16well, it's ok, not everybody "gets it". i'll try to 'splain to you -- Hillary has been running her campaign with the very prominent message that she is electable because she is popular amongst whites. is Obama going around saying, "i'm electable because chicks dig me?" no, no he is not.
the whole point is there ARE people out there voting against Obama because he is black, because they think he's a Muslim, because they think he's not American in some way. this is just the truth.
All we're talking about here, is Clinton taking the high road rather than making her case that white people like her.
And as for the large margin of blacks voting FOR Obama? seriously, think of the situation reversed. If Obama were running around saying how important it was for him to be popular amongst blacks, would you as a white person want to vote for him? i'm guessing no. So Hillary should step up and take the race thing out of this. - MotherGinSling, on 05/21/2008, -4/+14I'm not aware of any black person saying they would never vote for a white person, yet ,any voters in West Virginia and Kentucky said they would never vote for a black person.
- PhoenixAvatar2, on 05/21/2008, -6/+15So you think Obama was lying through his teeth when he said he denounced everything Wright said? You can be friends with a jackass without being the jackass.
- petebot, on 05/21/2008, -2/+11Way to change the subject Stryker.
- Strungout, on 05/21/2008, -1/+9This shouldn't even be a issue, since we've had presidents with little to no experience before. FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson are the ones off the top of my head.
- Jebra, on 05/21/2008, -2/+10What irks me is that Obama is half black, yet apparently that one half lumps him solely with one group. What happened to his white half hmm?
- zephyear, on 05/21/2008, -6/+13finally someone points out that this whole -ism debate is a double edged sword
- conmulligan, on 05/21/2008, -1/+8I think Hillary Clinton should speak out against any racist support, simply because she chose to address the perceived sexism against her campaign. If you're going to denounce bigotry it should be absolute. I doubt it would even harm her support; if someone is vehemently opposed to a black candidate a repudiation by Clinton is unlikely to dent their views, and she would look much more level-headed than she does now.
- GroundhogBoy, on 05/21/2008, -3/+10You're right, black people have never voted for white people before.
- 4bit, on 05/21/2008, -2/+8So, he's winning, against the Clinton Political Machine, has the inevitable candidate on the ropes, and people keep claiming he's having trouble landing the nomination?
Seriously, he's ahead of the other candidate, if he's doing poorly, she's doing worse. - cupofjoe88, on 05/21/2008, -3/+8Right... I'm so sure he's gonna say that. Get real.
- 5seconds, on 05/21/2008, -2/+8Obama has more elected experience than Clinton. He has served longer as an elected official than she has.
- Stormwern, on 05/21/2008, -0/+5And the reason Hillary is having alot more dificulty? Wait, let me guess..conspiracy!
- pardonmedoug, on 05/21/2008, -5/+10So if I support members of my ethnic group, that means I have to tolerate people who are bigoted against me?
Think harder. - pkulak, on 05/21/2008, -1/+6Maybe because all her damn campaign signs have only "Hillary" splashed across them in huge font?
- Tenlow, on 05/21/2008, -2/+7I think the important thing here to remember is that Wright is not Obama. If we're going to talk about this again, lets also talk about Hagee and McCain.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story ...
Wright said 9/11 was caused by American foreign policy. And it was. There is no way you can misconstrue that statement to be false. Hagee said Katrina happened because of gays, Hitler was right because he killed Jews, and is generally ***** insane. I don't think he's any more or less insane than Wright, but he's just as relevant. Either both are an issue, or neither.
Personally I don't think someone should be held accountable for the words of someone they were once affiliated with. If we're going to hold everyone accountable for the actions of others outside of their control, you know by the transitive properties of thin air that George W. Bush is every bad thing that has ever happened in the history of man. - conmulligan, on 05/21/2008, -3/+8Former adviser to Bill Clinton and a pundit on CNN. He's known Hillary for years, so he's not just another talking head.
- RX9735, on 05/21/2008, -3/+8Is Obama going do the same and say "if you are voting for me because I am black, I don't want your vote."? Seems only fair since racism runs both ways.
- pintomp3, on 05/21/2008, -2/+7my supporters are racist. that's a qualification that obama simply cannot match.
- cupofjoe88, on 05/21/2008, -5/+9I saw this on CNN, and you know.... I completely agree. She should denounce racist voting... especially with how hard she has supposedly worked on equality issues in her line of work.
- inactive, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4Come on man, would you really make the argument that none of the black votes for Obama are because he's black? That's not even KIND of realistic. Ignorance must be bliss
- petebot, on 05/21/2008, -3/+7YEAH! They should have just had white guys running for president! I can't believe those dumbocrats!
- Strungout, on 05/21/2008, -1/+5I was commenting on the main argument against Obama seems to be "lack of experience"
- baldr, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4because that is her political strategy to make herself more likable and differentiate herself from bill. Go look at her website for proof that it is what she wants to be called.
- bignerd, on 05/22/2008, -6/+10So for the last 200 year I guess all white people are racist b/c 100% of the voting whites have voted for a white president.... Wah?... Yeah, sounds silly doesn't it? Did 90% of the black population vote for Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton? Hell No. Maybe a big majority see a strong viable black candidate with whom they care, somewhat, relate to. Many whites do the same when they vote for a candidate... i.e., vote for someone with whom they feel a connection. Sure some blacks are racist but your statement is outrageous.
- poxonyou, on 05/21/2008, -3/+7CLINTON HAD MOST OF THE BLACK VOTE IN THE BEGINNING!
They lost it after the race baiting they did in South Carolina.They've continued to do it ever since then. Not to mention the lady on Fox News, among others, who keeps saying it's racism and sexism against Hillary. Do you expect blacks to keep supporting Clinton when she, her husband, and campaign surrogates do that? Believe it or not, people can change their mind no matter what their skin color or ethnic background is. Even still, Clinton still has some prominent black supporters, like the head of the BET network.
If the Clinton's didn't blow it in SC or after, the argument would be, if Obama was winning say, white voters in Kentucky, that something must be WRONG with Obama if white voters like him but black voters don't. After all, he looks black, so if blacks don't support him, it means he'll be unelectable in the main election. That's exactly what was being said before when most blacks supported Hillary. - kalvinb, on 05/21/2008, -5/+9According to CNN exit polls:
Obama won the male vote in 23 races. Hillary won it in 9. They split 50/50 in one.
Obama won the female vote in 13 races. Hillary won it in 20
Obama won more than 70% of the black vote 22 times. Hillary never did.
Obama won more tha 70% of the white vote 2 times. Hillary got more than 70% of the vote 6 times.
Why isn't Obama speaking out against men who vote for him because he's a man and blacks who vote for him because he's black?
Why is the media obsessed with the women's vote when the male vote is siding much more with Barack than the female vote is siding with Hillary?
He's won the - winmywii, on 05/21/2008, -1/+4I thought I blocked you Gay4Obama. Why am I still seeing these comments.
- winmywii, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3Uninformed people have to use something to make a decision. I support Obama, but I heard someone say they would never vote for Hillary because she's ugly and I wanted to punch then in the freaking face. People don't vote based on real issues, this is why we are int he situation we are in. Average Americans are completely ignorant to politics. I don't know anywhere near enough about it and I know 90% more than a majority of voters.
- orion846, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3actually CNN exit polls from kentucky showed that 1 in 5 people admitted race was an important factor in their decision, and 9 in 10 (of those 1 in 5) voted hillary. if you believe CNN (this was said verbatum on their primary coverage last night) then it's not a matter of he-said-she-said, it's people admitting they made their vote based on race.
you also have to figure that if 20% of the voter-base admits it, more likely at least 10% more are the same way, but just smart enough to deny it. - astronomical, on 05/21/2008, -3/+6That's irrelevant because they both got racist votes. I don't follow the logic that because Obama allegedly never stated he had 90% of black votes, the votes weren't racist thus not being a double standard.
- kernel16, on 05/22/2008, -2/+5As if black democrats never voted for white candidates before, it just so happens a good black candidate happens to be on the ballet so they vote for him, its a first. Furthermore, they aren't saying that they wouldn't vote for Hillary IF she does become the nominee (fairly). What is different with the 20 or so % of the white people who are voting for Clinton in places like Kentucky is that on exit polls they said that they wouldn't vote for Obama because of his race or so says CNN.
- inactive, on 05/21/2008, -7/+1092% of black men voted for Obama in PA
90 % of blacks for Obama in North Carolina
90% of blacks voted for Obama in Kentucky.
No other race voted for their own race more so that blacks...
That's blatant racism = they should be thrown out right?
Or is racism acceptable because they are black?
Voting and bigoted preachers are exempt I guess. - stix213, on 05/21/2008, -2/+6Because no one, including black voters, thought Obama had a chance back then. Then when the tide turned and it turns out Clinton wasn't invincible and Obama at least had a shot, 90+% of the black vote went along racial lines.
Yeah all of North Carolina just suddenly got to know him... Maybe the 60+% of whites in West Virginia just suddenly got to know Obama too? Which is why they voted against him? Ohhh I forgot.... Whitey is racist and blacks are victims.... my bad - Mejari, on 05/21/2008, -1/+4Yes, because racists really bother to do critical thinking like that figuring out his lineage. White racists see someone w/out pasty white skin, they hate them. They don't put any thought into it more than that. There's a reason racists tend to be uneducated.
- SpinningHead, on 05/22/2008, -1/+4Actually it is when that's the only reason you're voting for them...and I voted for Obama. However, blacks have clearly shown they're willing to vote for white candidates. The hills of Appalachia have yet to show they can do the same.
- ramunenke, on 05/21/2008, -2/+5she is not her husband. Black people always thought Bill and Monica made a better couple because she would do something strange for a piece of change. Many black people did not support Obama at first, just like people of other races, they changed over to him grudgingly not because he was black but because he seemed more like a change due to his rhetoric and his youth.
- inactive, on 05/21/2008, -8/+10The Clintons used to be champions of civil rights. It's sad that they are now running on the redneck vote.
- kreneskyp, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3just cause we post anti clinton or anti-mccain things doesn't mean we think obama is perfect. In fact i know he is not perfect, because noone is.
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