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- fantasmacanino, on 10/12/2007, -16/+55Everybody who speaks against Israel is antisemitic, haven't you heard? Don't you dare criticize them. They can do as they please after the Jewish Holocaust. They're pardoned for whatever they do because of that event. Tongue in cheek.
- micemb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18The wierd thing is that Bush is WAY more popular among Americans than Olmert is among Israelis. Olmert's current favorable poll numbers are 3% (+/- 3%). Bush's are around 30%, with the same margin of error.
- NearlyHuman, on 10/12/2007, -9/+25This country needs to seriously re-think our alliances. I'm not saying that countries like Russia and Israel should be enemies, but we need to acknowledge that these world powers are heading very much in the wrong direction.
We seem to be allying ourselves only with countries that won't talk about America heading in the wrong direction as well. - tokyostory, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Olmert just needs to master African tribal dance. Then, their hearts will be won!
- pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+113% +/- 3%? that could be 0%!
- Billiam627, on 10/12/2007, -17/+27Careful now guys If you don't say "Israeli" with the proper tone of reverence you are anti-semitic.
- shakin, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17@EntropyMan
What you say may be true within Israel , but in most Western nations public figures risk being labeled anti-semitic if they say anything against Israel. In the US it's safer to call for the genocide of Muslims than it is to question why Israel bombed a Palestinian hospital. Israel has definitely used this to their advantage on the international political stage. - scandar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Gee...post 9/11 US foreign policy is very much like Israel's the past 40 years.
No *****!
I've been saying this for the past three years.
Defending oneself by being ridiculously on the offensive to the point that it doesn't make any diplomatic sense. - Mutton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I lol'd at the "Olmert Report." I thought it was weird that the audience didn't get it.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13The same ***** designed the Lebanon war as designed the Iraq war. They are both in furtherance of the Clean Break plan. This is all openly published information. No "conspiracy." Now that everything has gone to *****, we ought to just cut our losses and get out.
The only impediment is that some neocons believe that the Clean Break plan is a "last best hope" for Israel. And some others are just cynical profiteering ***** that want to keep the surveillance state growing. - micemb, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11The wierd thing is that Bush is WAY more popular among Americans than Olmert is among Israelis. Olmert's current favorable poll numbers are 3% (+/- 3%).
- rpfsc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10@xTRUMANx - And there were Jews in Israel well before Islam was a religion. I don't exactly get your point... It doesn't matter anyway, that was the past. Today, we have to deal with the political realities on the ground. There will be Arabs, there will be Jews. They need to live together one way or another in peace.
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Power is a hell of a drug.
- petunia77, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Well..even though the US no longer has the gravitas to pull together a peace settlement between Israel adn Palestine (see Iraq)...its clear that Olmert is never going to be the guy who can pull that off anyway. The US needs to be a better friend to Israel, because in my world, you tell your friends when they are doing something stupid. They shouldn't have our unilateral support for everything they do.
- doronster195, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I think we can all agree that both the US and Israel have ***** Presidents/PMs.
- barry253, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Wow, you're spot on. The world was ever so cheery and wonderful up until 1945.
Actually, the world was completely disintegrating. The UN has gotten a lot of things wrong, but I wouldn't blame the creation of the UN and the State of Israel as catalysts for the biggest wars of the century, would you? I think that credit goes to a whole bunch of other countries and megalomaniacs.
And as to your snide comment about how we shouldn't be "pumping billions" into Israel because we need to spend it on "more important things back home," the same weak argument could be made for any sort of foreign aid, trade, and the space program. There's always work to be done at home, but that doesn't mean we forgo aid to countries that need it, especially the only democracy in the middle east. - chicoer2001, on 10/12/2007, -10/+15There are now more in common with Israel and the US
- EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -10/+15@retardojesus,
You're incorrect. Arabs who are Israeli citizens have full rights and serve in Parliament just as anyone else. The vast majority of Israelis are extremely tolerant and only want peace. There are certainly a number of bigots though, and remarkably coincident with religious fundamentalism, just like here.
Palestinians are the ones who are truly ***** on, and not only by Israelis -- even in the countries around Israel, where they live in virtual concentration camps. And I agree it's wrong. But it's on par with how we treat Native Americans in this country. We're hardly ones to judge. - 15charmaxwtf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5On BBC24 today they reported and he had got a 0% rating rating at one time.
- EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Neocon here means American Imperialist. Yes, it's not exactly the same. But I think the term translates well and is easy for Americans to understand. I define it as : reactionary, hawkish, unwilling to compromise, believing that whatever they do is right, not listening to better informed opinions, plunging the country into war at any cost.
There are some big differences in terms of left/right economic policy. But those are irrelevant to the point I'm making. The people in charge are anti-democratic thugs. Why else won't Olmert step down? - rpfsc, on 10/12/2007, -12/+16Why wouldn't we support Israel? With the exception of Iraq now, it is the only democracy in the middle east, the only place where Arabs truly have a right to vote for representation, and is a hot bed of technological innovation and western, liberal ideas. For example, Israel is the only place in the middle east where homosexuality is actually allowed... Politics are complicated, but why attack Israel directly by questioning their alliance with the US?
- EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4And they're having at least as much trouble getting rid of him. The only difference: Olmert has 3% approval rating, meaning 97% of Israelis have a clue as to what's happening in their government, whereas only 72% of Americans do.
I'm not sure which of us is worse off at this point, but I think they'll dump Olmert long before we dump Bush.
Not only that, but they actually created a detailed report about their ill-conceived invasion of Lebanon and released to the public. I'm still waiting for the unvarnished version of the run-up to Iraq. I have to watch Bill Moyers for that. - stepnw1f, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Those that support Olmert are the same type of personalities that support Bush. Fanatical bigots who believe in authoritarianism.
- Zanwar000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Why wouldn't you be friends with the only democracy in the Middle East?
I mean why aren't there other democracies over there? Maybe if the CIA hadn't deposed of a popularly elected Prime Minister in Iran and replaced him with a brutal dictator for oil we wouldn't have a crazy theocracy down there bent on the destruction of Israel and the US. Maybe if wouldn't prop up brutal governments like UAE, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia? Maybe if we hadn't sided with Pakistan during the Indo-Pakistan Wars because we didn't like India's friendship with the Soviets. Or maybe if we would stop ignoring genocides in Armenia, Bangladesh, Myanmar, and Darfur and then complain about them being uncivilized. - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7@Truman, you don't know what you're talking about. There are many Arab Israelis. To nitpick further, "Palestinian" isn't even the same as "Arab," technically. It's not about the language, but the geography.
But even still, anyone living in Israel in 1948 who didn't run away was given citizenship and is Israeli, including Christians, Muslims, and Jews. - endustry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm not sure there's anything "eerie" about two trigger-happy cowboy leaders ignoring what everyone else has to say and blowing the crap out of people. It seems like perfectly consistent behavior to me.
- EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9I totally agree. The really sad thing is, most Palestinians probably do or did too. They had Arafat getting rich off their backs for years and refusing to settle the core issues (not the only one, but it only takes one side to block progress). And on the Israeli side, every time a hawkish Prime minister was converted to the path to peace, he got subverted by radicals or shot. It's all extremely depressing, and infinitely more so if I lived there.
And, btw, watch the quiet bigots going around digging everything remotely rational down. It's fascinating to watch. - DeathonWheels, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Thank god for the international language of dance. Explains everything to everyone.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+14"the only place where Arabs truly have a right to vote for representation"
I guess that makes up for the Arabs are treated like ***** in Israel? - Jaymo89, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sid0: Khomeini is dead mate.
- sid0, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7"Nobody in possession of a nuclear weaponry (i.e. the U.S.) has the right to hassle other countries trying to develop their own nuclear technology."
That's the flaw in your argument. It is fallacious to compare a country run by a crackpot commie and one run by crazy mullahs (yes, the mullahs and Ayatollah Khomeini have the final say in Iran) to any of the other countries Al-Jazeera mentioned -- even Russia. - erbalot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2hey wait i thought success would involve bringing democracy to Iraq.
- EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6The problem is, it's the same the Neocons in Israel as the US, sometimes even the same individual ones. They're running the show for now. There's no way they'll be critical of Israel. And I don't think Israel would have invaded Lebanon this time around if Bush hadn't been in power here. Monkey see, monkey do.
- lateralus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You got it the other way around.
- ucbrave92, on 10/12/2007, -11/+12is it just me but looking at the big picture, every since we helped CREATE the UN in 45 and Israel in 48 everything has been downhill at an ever increasing pace. someone please tell me why we pump billions into that country when we could be spending it on much more important things back home. oh, that's right our govt is a bunch of sick bastards. honestly can you imagine what we could have here? hell, most of us are too young to remember it but state universities used to be FREE if you were from the state and made the grades. now all they are is another way to milk every last cent out of your pocket.
- oddmanout, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9I can't seem to find the source anywhere, but supposedly America will always be Israel's ally as long as its a democracy. And no matter what the cause of the conflict, it will support Israel on the sole basis that its a democracy in the Middle East.
- poindej, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8It's the best.
- sid0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I meant the new one, Ali Khameini.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei - Zanwar000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Criticizing Israel doesn't make you anti-Semitic. Arabs hate Israel because they see it as an unfair nation built on lands that were taken away from them. Of course in the Middle East this does tend to divulge into Antisemitism as Israel is built as a "homeland for the Jews", so for them it is logical to equate Israel with Jews in general.
- xTRUMANx, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7Israelis are not arabs. There are arabs in Israel but they are the people who've been there for generations before Israel's occupation.
- Shmoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Can I make a request that from now on we link to "The Daily Show" clips from ifilm? It has an embedded flash player, they release the clips sooner, and it is more convenient than crooksandliars.
- oddmanout, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4"Why wouldn't we support Israel? With the exception of Iraq now, it is the only democracy in the middle east, the only place where Arabs truly have a right to vote for representation, and is a hot bed of technological innovation and western, liberal ideas. For example, Israel is the only place in the middle east where homosexuality is actually allowed... Politics are complicated, but why attack Israel directly by questioning their alliance with the US?"
No, my point is that regardless of how a problem starts, America has the side of Israel.. Hasn't seemed to be too big of a problem, but i just worry about the "no matter what" aspect of the alliance. - erbalot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0damn, sorry...too many tabs.
- xTRUMANx, on 10/12/2007, -8/+7@Sid0
I really don't see the difference. Nobody in possession of a nuclear weaponry (i.e. the U.S.) has the right to hassle other countries trying to develop their own nuclear technology. How can you deny others the same defenses you have? Is it that you don't trust them with it? Like anyone has trusts the U.S. which by the way is the only nation in the world who has ever used nuclear weapons in a conflict. Seems to me the U.S. is the one country that shouldn't be trusted with nuclear weapons. - petersms, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Capt. Obvious? Ric Romero? Where am I?
- rpfsc, on 10/12/2007, -8/+7@retardojesus - guess you've never talked to Arabs in Israel. Ask them if they would prefer the Olmert gov't or a Hamas led Palestinian gov't. You'll have your answer....
@EntropyMan - Palestinians have a very tough life, no doubt. I think they would be better off if their gov't denounces terrorism and accepts Israel as their neighbor. If they can live in peace with the Israelis, their lifestyle will dramatically improve. - robisfunky, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Like I've always said... The best Offense is a good Asskickin.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1American imperialists? I suppose an oil empire was to be America's prize in the Clean Break cracker jack box. But who is really a serious imperialist in America anymore?
Nope, sorry, the real story is that America got dragged into this war because it was supposed to help Israel. Now it's not helping anyone, and it is time to end it.
Oh, and "neocon" also means "divided loyalties." Americans are right to chafe about Michael Certoff bringing an Israel-style surveillance state to the U.S. No thank you. Israel can have that is they like. And they can have Chertoff, too. There should be no exceptions to the rule about dual citizenship in U.S. government positions. - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Yeah, that's what I thought. Instead of finding any examples, you digg me down. Anyone who claims that they've been attacked as anti-semitic for attacking Israel is clearly lying.
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