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DISGUSTING: Corrupt Democrats Cheat To Give Illegal Aliens Welfare
youtube.com — Absolutely despicable piece of video - now we all know that most of Congress works for La Raza, and doesn't give a damn about America. Our taxes are going to the welfare of people who have broken the law, and our paid representatives care not for Justice. Money is their motive.
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- hoorayformegan, on 11/10/2007, -19/+64wtf.
- rebrad, on 11/10/2007, -11/+28What a buch of losers. The only thing this Congress will be known for is that they delivered record Pork. No wonder their approval rate is in the single digits. This has to be the worst and most corrupt Congress in modern times.
- Tilon, on 10/10/2007, -8/+19Yeah, they're not too hot, but to call them the 'worst Congress ever' right off the back of the last one is an incredibly disingenous and retarded statement.
The last 6 years were the WORST governing in American history. PERIOD.- shawnbttu, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7There is Illegal Immigration and "Illegal Immigration". They are not the same. The below is a 100% true story of a very good friend of mine
He is here illegally
He has a good job
He overpays his taxes and he never files a return (so he pays the govt. more then he should)
He has his own insurance bothe health and vehicular
He pays tax on all his consumer products
His only crime is he does not want to go back to his home country that is a poor third world nation with no future and no jobs. He wants his children and his family to have a better life here. Would you throw him out?
As I said, there is illegal immigration and "Illegal Immigration" and they are NOT the same. For every lazy welfare illegals out there, there is a hard working illegal who simply wants something better.- brad3378, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1Why doesn't he become a legal citizen so he can vote?
- cmapes2, on 10/16/2007, -0/+0Sorry but I live in a town with a lot of immigrants and I strongly disagree with your statement that "For every lazy welfare illegals out there, there is a hard working illegal who simply wants something better."
In concept it sure does sound nice, but in my experience that has most definately NOT been the case. Since we are talking about personal experiences, one woman that lives down the street is an illegal immigrant. She doesn't have a job, she drives her old early 90's chevrolet recklessly and I have seen her run lights and disobey traffic laws all the time, undoubtedly has no insurance, and has this attitude that she doesn't need to obey the law because the owes the state nothing.
She isn't the first I have seen around here with that mentality.
Sadly, if every immigrant had the hard working mentality then there wouldn't be an issue against immigration in the first place.
Oh, and next time you don't need to refer to yourself as a "very good friend of mine".
- shawnbttu, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7There is Illegal Immigration and "Illegal Immigration". They are not the same. The below is a 100% true story of a very good friend of mine
- glasnostic, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Floor summary: DEBATE - The House proceeded with 10 minutes of debate on the Lewis(CA) motion to recommit with instructions. The instructions contained in the motion seek to report the same back to the House promptly with an amendment that prohibits any funds in the Act(including grant funds) from being used to employ an alien who is not authorized to be employed in the United States and prohibit any funds in the Act for rental housing assistance programs to provide assistance to an alien not authorized to receive such assistance pursuant to 213A of the Immigration and Nationality Act.
what was actually defeated
- Tilon, on 10/10/2007, -8/+19Yeah, they're not too hot, but to call them the 'worst Congress ever' right off the back of the last one is an incredibly disingenous and retarded statement.
- Terr01, on 10/10/2007, -4/+6Not the first time this kind of thing has happened. Can't we just properly automate the voting system to make the total blind until the end?
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/07/09/MNGQC7IV231.DTL- missinglink, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Not the same. A vote in the House is live until the gavel falls, closing it. There are minimum times (i.e. 15 minute vote) under which a vote cannot close in order to give members time to get to the chamber to cast their vote, but there is no maximum time so conceivably a vote can stay open indefinitely. But voting after the clock stopped - after the gavel fell - is way out of bounds. It's like scoring a touchdown after the clock runs out to win a football game.
- Terr01, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Well, some argue the gavel fell too early, but note the votes afterwards were people moving against the amendment.
I'd just argue there may be merit to voting "blind". That is, no voters know the total until it's done. Whether or not that will result in better results, I'm not sure--but it would certainly remove a certain level of post-vote spin manipulation. ("I didn't vote for that! See? I didn't!)
- Terr01, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Well, some argue the gavel fell too early, but note the votes afterwards were people moving against the amendment.
- missinglink, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Not the same. A vote in the House is live until the gavel falls, closing it. There are minimum times (i.e. 15 minute vote) under which a vote cannot close in order to give members time to get to the chamber to cast their vote, but there is no maximum time so conceivably a vote can stay open indefinitely. But voting after the clock stopped - after the gavel fell - is way out of bounds. It's like scoring a touchdown after the clock runs out to win a football game.
- insanebrain, on 10/10/2007, -13/+3!ftw
- DavidBGie, on 11/10/2007, -8/+32I'm stunned that a submission that had something negative to say about Democrats made it to the main page of Digg. I bet some heads will roll for this! Recount the Diggs!
- Pfhreak, on 11/10/2007, -9/+9Subscribing to a particular political ideology shouldn't mean you give the politicians of the same ideology a free pass. That's the main problem with the Bush apologists, they don't ever take an honest, rational look at what he says and does just because he's "on the same team". Which makes them blind to the building anti-conservative backlash that he's helping generate. Not that they're the only ones prone to this (consider cramtod below, who gives examples of Republicans pulling this stunt in the past, as if that makes it OK for the Democrats to do it now).
- Compared2What, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Unlike the Democrats eh little DiggBott?
- Pfhreak, on 11/10/2007, -9/+9Subscribing to a particular political ideology shouldn't mean you give the politicians of the same ideology a free pass. That's the main problem with the Bush apologists, they don't ever take an honest, rational look at what he says and does just because he's "on the same team". Which makes them blind to the building anti-conservative backlash that he's helping generate. Not that they're the only ones prone to this (consider cramtod below, who gives examples of Republicans pulling this stunt in the past, as if that makes it OK for the Democrats to do it now).
- cramtod, on 10/10/2007, -12/+11"There are people in this town that are willing to break the rules and do extraordinary maneuvers just so that illegal aliens can get benefits".
- Rep Brian Bilbray, R-CA
November 22, 2003
Republican Leadership holds open the vote on H.R. 1, the Prescription Drug Conference report for 3 hours to change the vote.
October 5, 2005
Republican Leadership holds open the vote on HR 3893, the Gasoline for America's Security Act, to change the vote.- rebrad, on 11/10/2007, -1/+9So just because you can show abuses in the past they justify new abuses by the other side? When does this insanity stop? I'm sorry, this revenge psychology has gone too far and has accomplished nothing but to show the world how not to get things done.
- cramtod, on 11/10/2007, -4/+7I'm not defending the democrats actions, just pointing out the republican hypocrisy.
- rebrad, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Granted, let's vote all the hypocrites out (both Republican and Democrat). Not one of them has earned their paychecks.
- cramtod, on 11/10/2007, -4/+7I'm not defending the democrats actions, just pointing out the republican hypocrisy.
- techmonkey4u, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8aye, party A or party B, politicians are politicians, illegal conduct is illegal conduct. This nation is run by children who lie, cheat, steal, and bully to get money/power/their way.
- rebrad, on 11/10/2007, -1/+9So just because you can show abuses in the past they justify new abuses by the other side? When does this insanity stop? I'm sorry, this revenge psychology has gone too far and has accomplished nothing but to show the world how not to get things done.
- cloudyprison, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2what do you mean, wtf? It's painfully obvious. by using a capitalized heading you get more diggs.
EXQUISITE: Chocolate cake takes New York City by storm! - glasnostic, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3Floor summary: DEBATE - The House proceeded with 10 minutes of debate on the Lewis(CA) motion to recommit with instructions. The instructions contained in the motion seek to report the same back to the House promptly with an amendment that prohibits any funds in the Act(including grant funds) from being used to employ an alien who is not authorized to be employed in the United States and prohibit any funds in the Act for rental housing assistance programs to provide assistance to an alien not authorized to receive such assistance pursuant to 213A of the Immigration and Nationality Act.
what was actually defeated - glasnostic, on 10/10/2007, -7/+3This has nothing to do with whether or not illegals get welfare and everything to do with whether or not farms that employ illegals can get government aid.
If you like fresh vegetables, you should be happy with this vote.- rebrad, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Those who employ illegals should get time in prison. The price of vegetables be damned. We are raising the cost of vegetables by demanding alcohol as a replacement for gasoline. I'm tired of hearing that lame argument to justify criminal practices.
- wishninja, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2If you are not happy about illegals then don't support them. Grow your own garden, buy from only illegal free local farmers. The free market can take care of this we do not need the help of the government. Like the organic produce, like the G.M. free produce start supporting your local farmer that has 100% illegal free produce, beef...ect only. If enough people ask for it a nitch market will develop and free market capitalism will win. With know jobs the illegals will go home.
- rebrad, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Those who employ illegals should get time in prison. The price of vegetables be damned. We are raising the cost of vegetables by demanding alcohol as a replacement for gasoline. I'm tired of hearing that lame argument to justify criminal practices.
- rebrad, on 11/10/2007, -11/+28What a buch of losers. The only thing this Congress will be known for is that they delivered record Pork. No wonder their approval rate is in the single digits. This has to be the worst and most corrupt Congress in modern times.
- fezzen, on 10/11/2007, -75/+14Yes, follow the money!
...wait...
I think you're an idiot. "Money is their motive"? A bold and completely unfounded statement. And a bit hypocritical considering how a certain other major political party behaves.
I didn't watch the video (at work) but your description pissed me off.- Akaji, on 10/10/2007, -9/+32WTFV before you comment, genius.
- rebrad, on 10/10/2007, -7/+14Tightly shuts eyes
Plugs ears with fingers
Cries "Wah, Wah, Wah" at the top of their lungs
You can't make me see, hear or believe it no matter what you do.
- rebrad, on 10/10/2007, -7/+14Tightly shuts eyes
- cusoman, on 10/10/2007, -5/+33So you're blindly accusing the poster of making a bold and unfounded statement based on the summary of the story? That's like reading just the back cover of a book and going to write a review about it.
Like the person above me said, watch the video before you comment. - DiggsOnlyNeoCon, on 10/10/2007, -9/+22An unfounded statement???? I guess "Rudy Guliani's Daughter Supports Barack Obama" based on Facebook data is completely founded. So is "Dick Cheney in DC Madam's Black Book" based on speculation only. Welcome to Digg.
- Coven, on 10/10/2007, -4/+10Actually, Giuliani's daughter joining a group called "One Million Strong For Barack Obama" is pretty definitive evidence of her support for BO. There's also the fact that she listed her political view as "Liberal". But none of that matters since its on Facebook, right?
- hmmmok, on 11/10/2007, -1/+7A Manhattan liberal? Stop the presses...
- JAVandiver, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Guliani is just a Democrat pretending to be a Republican. If one looks at his record, he is just about as much of a Pinko as they come.
- hmmmok, on 11/10/2007, -1/+7A Manhattan liberal? Stop the presses...
- Malakym, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1A lot of liberal people join strongly conservative groups on facebook just so they can piss and argue. Does that mean they all support conservative causes just because they're part of those groups?
- JAVandiver, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1That really shows the maturity of most Lefties, does it not? And is not sinister just another word for Left?
- JAVandiver, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1That really shows the maturity of most Lefties, does it not? And is not sinister just another word for Left?
- Coven, on 10/10/2007, -4/+10Actually, Giuliani's daughter joining a group called "One Million Strong For Barack Obama" is pretty definitive evidence of her support for BO. There's also the fact that she listed her political view as "Liberal". But none of that matters since its on Facebook, right?
- Tiak, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2Oh, come on, Mexican immigrants are obviously the rich power players controlling our government with bribes whilst they sit in their mansions smoking their cigars... Just follow the money!
- Akaji, on 10/10/2007, -9/+32WTFV before you comment, genius.
- thepuma77, on 10/11/2007, -112/+25DISGUSTING: Corrupt Digger Diggs Racist Story
- nofrak1, on 10/11/2007, -12/+83Why is not rewarding illegal entry into the United States with all the material benefits of taxpaying citizenship racist? I fail to see your logic.
- nedzeve, on 10/10/2007, -7/+1Undocumented immigrants DO pay taxes. They are building this country.
- CiXeL, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1yeah like all the lazy cubans down in miami driving the rest of the americans out by making them do all the work while they sit on the job and do nothing. i just switched my bank to BofA and setup all my bill pay electronically.
KISS MY ASS MIAMI! I am ready to move out along with the rest of the americans and move back to america where ***** works.
The post office doesnt work here, the electricity is unreliable, no one speaks english, etc.
cant wait to get out of this ***** place.
its yours cubans ALLL YOURS.
you guys dont want us americans here so we're leaving. ALL OF US. - dan.stryker, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3nedzeve, That is total BULL *****. They build subdivisions and that's it. Wire transfer the money to Mexico and say FU to our laws. Illegal means ILLEGAL!
- CiXeL, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1yeah like all the lazy cubans down in miami driving the rest of the americans out by making them do all the work while they sit on the job and do nothing. i just switched my bank to BofA and setup all my bill pay electronically.
- nedzeve, on 10/10/2007, -7/+1Undocumented immigrants DO pay taxes. They are building this country.
- jcm267, on 11/10/2007, -11/+81racist? are you ***** kidding me? It's not racist to be against intitlements for people who broke our country's laws and came here illegally.
- phmfthacim, on 10/10/2007, -16/+3If something is disabling you from being able to see the story straight, it's gotta be racism:
http://www.aztlan.net/taxing_undocumented_immigrants.htm- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6What does that have to do with anything?
- specialK16, on 10/10/2007, -10/+3Well, it's certainly racist to assume EVERY Hispanic comes illegally and to brake laws.
- jcm267, on 11/10/2007, -0/+11And just who made this assumption?
- phmfthacim, on 10/10/2007, -16/+3If something is disabling you from being able to see the story straight, it's gotta be racism:
- mjduell, on 11/10/2007, -10/+58How exactly is this a "Racist Story". Why should we pay for welfare for non-citizens? I hate when you uneducated, ill-informed PC types start shouting racism. It doesn't say Mexicans! It say's illegal aliens, be it they are from Europe, China, Mexico or where ever. The bottom line is we should not be footing the bill for people who are in this country illegally and are not contributing to our economy with their tax dollars. The democrats did use underhanded methods to get what they wanted to gain ground for the upcoming elections, which is all they did. They could care less about you. Go bleed your liberal ***** elsewhere.
- mattyG, on 10/11/2007, -18/+7Mexican isn't a race either! It's a nationality! My XBOX live name is No Mexicans.
- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -8/+5I thought it was a pretty unique race... a hybrid of African slaves, native Americans, and Spanish colonists...
- norman619, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5You forgot there is also a smidge of Portuguese and a few others which I can't remember off the top of my head. Anyways, if you count Mexican as a race then you must also count Amrican as a race. I'd love to see how you explain that. You don't seem to understand nationality ref's to what country you are from not your ethnicity or race.
- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2point taken. But I was thnking that while Mexicans can be seen as a unique people just based on their physical appearance, Americans are more diverse. Would you consider Asian Indian to be a race or a nationality?
- phmfthacim, on 10/10/2007, -13/+7you don't understand what race is. race is socially constructed, and they way you are treating the people of mexico is racist.
- Malakym, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3"My XBOX live name is No Mexicans."
Aren't you special?
- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -8/+5I thought it was a pretty unique race... a hybrid of African slaves, native Americans, and Spanish colonists...
- phmfthacim, on 10/11/2007, -14/+4that's not true, undocumented immigrants pay billions of dollars in taxes each year
- norman619, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11For arguments sake let's say that's true. They are still illegal and as such are not entitled to *****.
- Monk22, on 11/10/2007, -0/+6and they cost us 3 times as many billions as they "contribute to the system"
aka. net loss for everyone- Tiak, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1... But of course so would any completely legitimate citizen in their income bracket.... The point of these programs are to provide for those who can't afford these things themselves... Those who can't afford these things themselves are by definition costing more than they're putting in.
- mattyG, on 10/11/2007, -18/+7Mexican isn't a race either! It's a nationality! My XBOX live name is No Mexicans.
- DaveV, on 10/10/2007, -15/+34Looks like you are a racists to me. Tell me are a member of La Raza, which translates into "The Race"?
- ngmcs8203, on 10/11/2007, -25/+10I'm not part of The Raza and do not support illegals getting unfair advantages, but if they come to this country, get a taxpayers id and pay their taxes and debts just like any other American... why are they not eligible for the same government assistance that every other citizen has? If your so against illegals getting government assistance, tell me what you will do with 12+ million people... How much do you think it would cost us to export that many people? I can almost guarantee it would not be cheap, and definitely not easy. For those illegals that just happened to come here illegally but in are law abiding and paying taxes... what makes them any different than you and I except for their citizenship status? Criminals are criminals whether they are illegal or citizens, but not all illegals are criminals.
- DaveV, on 11/10/2007, -4/+28If they are illegal aliens, then they are breaking the law. That makes them criminals.
They are not getting a taxpayer ID, and they are not paying their fair share. They should stay in whatever country they are coming from and make it better, rather than coming to the U.S., breaking U.S. law, and trashing the U.S.- geometry, on 10/10/2007, -9/+7You are wrong to a degree. First from what I understand this legislation was for a bill that would stop children of illegal immigrants from receiving health care not something like trying to give them welfare money or something like that. I was like you before, I thought illegal aliens were good for nothing losers that sucked the life out of this country. After growing up a little and looking into the real facts it turns out that the vast majority do pay taxes, all be it with somebody else's social security number. They pay taxes all year and if they were here legally they'd likely get most of what they put in back, since most work for very low wages and fall on the very low end of the tax bracket. So they actually contribute more to taxes than somebody here legally doing the same job.
And about trashing the US, thats just an ignorant comment. I can take you to any white trash trailer park and show you that good old Americans can trash this country as much as any illegal immigrant. - Tiak, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
- geometry, on 10/10/2007, -9/+7You are wrong to a degree. First from what I understand this legislation was for a bill that would stop children of illegal immigrants from receiving health care not something like trying to give them welfare money or something like that. I was like you before, I thought illegal aliens were good for nothing losers that sucked the life out of this country. After growing up a little and looking into the real facts it turns out that the vast majority do pay taxes, all be it with somebody else's social security number. They pay taxes all year and if they were here legally they'd likely get most of what they put in back, since most work for very low wages and fall on the very low end of the tax bracket. So they actually contribute more to taxes than somebody here legally doing the same job.
- Eivo, on 11/10/2007, -4/+13What should we do with the 12+ million illegals? Oh, I dunno, deport them! Your right, criminals are criminals, and these criminals need to face the punishment set in place for breaking the law they did. That is the law. You can't steal, it's against the law. You can't murder, it's against the law. And you can't come into America illegally, it's the law. I don't care what your race is, or where you're from. Period.
- specialK16, on 10/10/2007, -10/+3THIS IS THE ***** PROBLEM WITH YOU PEOPLE!!!
Being in the US illegally makes them criminals? Do all of them kill, rape and steal? Trying to earn a living because our government basically stepped on them is a crime? Trying to earn a living is a crime???
You know, your logic (a crime is a crime no matter what it is) is in fact a fallacy. You think in black and white. I feel pity for you and everyone who thinks like you.
Go ahead, digg him up for being insensitive to other people's lives, and digg me down for saying the truth.- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5They broke a law to enter the country. Why don't they earn their living in Mexico? And just why does Mexico bother enforcing its southern border? You know, what did all those people who want to illegally immigrate to mexico do wrong?
- CourtesyFlush, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Criminal activities are not limited to a handful of simplistic concepts or subject to individual interpretations based on the severity of the crime committed or the social standing of the defendant..
Breaking the law is criminal activity that should lead to arrest, conviction and punishment regardless of how underprivileged the poor, poor law breaker is.
I'm sure most here believe that the rich should not be let off due to status. Well, I happen to believe that the opposite is true as well.
I don't give a ***** where you come from, how much money you have or the extent to which your skin is pigmented. No free ride.
Follow the law or get the hell out. - Tiak, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1@jcm267
THINK before you type!
"Why don't they earn their living in Mexico?"... Are you kidding me?... Would you leave your family and friends in favor of a backbreaking job that most US citizens aren't willing to do when you could make a good living over there?... these people certainly wouldn't... - jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2It was a tongue and cheek comment. Yes, I was kidding. But even then... Mexico IS a developed country if you go by the HDI.
Is Mexico so corrupt that you can't possibly buy a piece of land to start a small farm on? Exactly how hard is it to find jobs in factories that have been and are being built because of NAFTA?
Do I blame these people for wanting a better life in America? No, I blame American businesses and individuals (the people who hire illegal workers at, say, home depot) who give these people jobs and thus a reason to be here. That being said, just because they don't have it as good in Mexico doesn't mean that we should be welcoming each and every migrant who wades across the Rio Grande. Why not take in the world's truly needy from Haiti and Africa? Compared to America Mexico might suck, but in the grand scheme of things Mexico isn't that bad of a place to be.
- specialK16, on 10/10/2007, -10/+3THIS IS THE ***** PROBLEM WITH YOU PEOPLE!!!
- DaveV, on 11/10/2007, -4/+28If they are illegal aliens, then they are breaking the law. That makes them criminals.
- LordSalisbury, on 11/10/2007, -0/+4I'm racist for not wanting to give my money to illegal immigrants?
- nofrak1, on 10/11/2007, -12/+83Why is not rewarding illegal entry into the United States with all the material benefits of taxpaying citizenship racist? I fail to see your logic.
- omnithought, on 10/10/2007, -20/+187There is no "better party" They're both corrupt.
- ScrewedThePooch, on 10/10/2007, -7/+15Looks like voting proved to be a waste of time and an absentee ballot stamp.
- neoblaque, on 10/10/2007, -3/+25As a former Democrat, I'm disgusted that they used this tactic, and that they even want to pay these entitlements to law breakers.
That is why I now think that both parties are corrupt, and they should all be shot into space with all of their backers too. - Gryffydd, on 10/10/2007, -19/+14I guess that's why we need Ron Paul :)
- inboxnews, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Ron Paul's Immigration Voting Record & Report Card on the NumbersUSA website:
(1) Paul consistently voted every year since 1999 against putting the military on the border:
2006: H. Amdt. 206 to H.R. 1815
2004: Goode Amendment to H.R. 4200
2003: Goode Amendment to H.R. 1588
2002: H. Amdt. 479 to H.R. 4546
2001: Traficant amendment to HR 2586
2000: Traficant amendment to H.R.4205
1999: Trafficant Amendment to H.R. 1401.
(2) Paul voted in 1997, 2001( H.R. 1885) and 2002 (H RES 365) to grant, extend or continue Section 245-i amnesties for illegal aliens.
(3) Paul voted NO on extending the voluntary Basic Pilot Workplace Verification Program (H.R. 2359),
(4) Paul voted NO on the border fence in 2005 (Hunter Amendment to HR 4437 - "Enforcement Only" Bill).
(5) Paul voted YES to increase H2-B (HR 763 in 2005) and H-1B visas (HR 3736 in 1998). In 1998, he voted to allow US firms to lay off Americans to replace them with foreigners.- bumb1ebee, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1There are many reasons why Ron Paul votes against certain bills, even if he agrees with the overall message, he may not agree with the pork spending is attached to it or if the method used to accomplish the provisions are unconstitutional. I'm really sick of people misrepresenting his immigration policies. Stop assuming that all bills are clean and great just because you agree with the basic idea. Ron Paul opposes amnesty and open borders:
"Border Security and Immigration Reform The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:
Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals. Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas. No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws. No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services. End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong. Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods. "
- bumb1ebee, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1There are many reasons why Ron Paul votes against certain bills, even if he agrees with the overall message, he may not agree with the pork spending is attached to it or if the method used to accomplish the provisions are unconstitutional. I'm really sick of people misrepresenting his immigration policies. Stop assuming that all bills are clean and great just because you agree with the basic idea. Ron Paul opposes amnesty and open borders:
- inboxnews, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Ron Paul's Immigration Voting Record & Report Card on the NumbersUSA website:
- cramtod, on 10/10/2007, -19/+9No "better party"?
A democrat would not have appointed Alito or Roberts to the supreme court. Men who both understand the constitution but have contempt for the document.
A democrat would not have appointed Ascroft or Gonzalez as Attorney General. Both have no concept of civil liberties.
Are the democrats a good party? Far from it. However they _are_ the "better party". But compared to the republicans, that's not saying much. We should ask, no demand, better of our representatives.- IdevInull, on 10/10/2007, -7/+10Wasn't it a Democrat who appointed Janet Reno who burned alive a bunch of innocent children?
- ubuwalker31, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4Well, there is evidence that the Branch Davidians set the fire themselves. But it certainly wasn't done on purpose.
- mal1964, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2"We should ask, no demand" if you change your mind on a phrase you can just back space it away..
"demand" I just did, it works great.
- IdevInull, on 10/10/2007, -7/+10Wasn't it a Democrat who appointed Janet Reno who burned alive a bunch of innocent children?
- norman619, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8These parties suck. I'm waiting for the after party. I hear there is not party like it.
- StudsTurkel, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3I am waiting for the hotel lobby.
- berb, on 10/10/2007, -4/+17The sick part is that people side themselves completely with Democrats or Republicans, and subscribe 100% to that group's beliefs.
- mal1964, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Veto
- mal1964, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8Demopublicans or Repubocrats, flip a coin heads you lose or tails you lose.
- JettaMan, on 10/10/2007, -7/+10Democrats have always worked against the will of the people but usually they were a little more smooth about it, which is easier when you have the full complicity of the liberal media. Usually they aren't this clumsy about going against the will of the people. This just shows that they will ram something through that poll after poll (as Lue Dobbs mentions) shows that Americans do not want to support illegal immigrants - they don't even want illegals here in the first place!
- PixelVision, on 10/10/2007, -10/+4dugg down for using the term "liberal media". You may be right about illegal immigration, but don't use idiotic phrases as it will hurt your credibility.
- cnot3, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1thank you
- Kewlduderules, on 11/10/2007, -18/+177Ok, I just watched the entire video and as a person of Latino background, I have to say (as much as I hate to) the Repuglicans are correct. The Democrats did an illegal revote after the gavel went down. Once the gavel goes down that is it and you cannot change your vote. Period!
This should send a message to everyone in this country that all of them are equally deceiving and corrupt.
This country is in desperate need of a third party that looks out for the needs of all Americans.- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -11/+14Are you saying that you're in favor of entitlements for illegals just not the tactic the Democrats used?
- Kewlduderules, on 11/10/2007, -8/+36As for the entitlements, I am against them. I think we should create every incentive for any illegal immigrant regardless if they are from Asia, Latin America, or Europe to go back to their country of origin. That means denying them services here including welfare, employment, housing, education, and in most cases health care (the only exceptions emergency room care and vaccinations against disease).
- cawpin, on 11/10/2007, -6/+22I'm glad to see a person of Latin decent voice such an opinion. I live in Arizona right now and it pisses me off to no end when all the illegals scream about us not wanting Mexicans to come in to the US. I don't care where you come from or why you're coming in. The only thing that matters to me is that you do it the way you are supposed to. Just because you came from a country of corrupt police and breaking the law was commonplace doesn't mean it is ok here. Also, learn to speak ***** English. If I went to middle Mexico I'm sure I wouldn't get by not speaking Spanish.
- phaed, on 10/10/2007, -11/+7Yes you could get by speaking English. Most of the locals would still not understand what you're saying and will want you out of their country. Call you an idiot for not being able to learn fluent Spanish in the three years you've been living there, and wish you weren't living in their country. oops. My mistake, Thats what they do in the United States.
- joe7845, on 10/10/2007, -8/+1Because you're already in the US and you really could care less if others get to enter, right?
- Tiak, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1I find it a bit strange how libertarians cry about how certain laws are unjust left and right, shout civil disobedience every now and them, claim that there is nothing wrong with marijuana, then, the second a law works to their advantage, claim that it's wrong to not do things "the right way" according to the law...
I hate to break this to you, but federal restriction of immigration isn't mentioned once in the constitution unless you do some rather obvious bending of the words to suit your purposes.
- Kewlduderules, on 11/10/2007, -8/+36As for the entitlements, I am against them. I think we should create every incentive for any illegal immigrant regardless if they are from Asia, Latin America, or Europe to go back to their country of origin. That means denying them services here including welfare, employment, housing, education, and in most cases health care (the only exceptions emergency room care and vaccinations against disease).
- macaddct1984, on 10/10/2007, -27/+11I think it's sad that these imaginary boarders create such an uncaring attitude toward fellow human beings.
- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -9/+11This isn't going to work. We are one of the most caring countries in the world, but illegals are just taking too much.
Come back when you devote every last cent you have that doesn't go towards keeping you from dying to the poor. Eat Raman when you have to, but please try to stick to foraging and dumpster diving for food and clothes.- macaddct1984, on 10/10/2007, -5/+9Well, I do help out with a movement called Food Not Bombs. We get donations from grocery stores that throw out tons and tons of food every day and bring it to communities who actually need it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_Not_Bombs- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -9/+9ooooh. an anarchist grassroots organization!
But the question is.. Do ever eat more than you have to? Have you ever bought anything you didn't need? Do you spend 100% of your free time helping out those in need? I'd guess no, since you're here on digg complaining about how little everyone else cares about the world.
Honestly, with the problems we see in Haiti and Africa today, you'd have to be a pretty uncaring person to waste your time bitching on digg rather than actually doing something. You're obviously using more resources than you need to, and all I know about you is that you use a computer! I can imagine how much more wasteful you are. Do you own a car, take a bus, or (the sensible solution) walk? Do you buy your clothes new, or used? Do you have a garden? Do you have a TV set? Do you have a mattress? Do you eat at restaurants at all? You know, there's usually some food in the dumpsters with food in them out back....
If you expect us to provide for illegals you are basically expecting us to provide for anyone and everyone, which is just insane. So honestly, you'd better put your lifestyle where your mouth is. - Eivo, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2Hello Pot, meet Kettle.
- macaddct1984, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Well, my full time job is a social worker, helping the developmentally disabled with whatever it is they need or help them find services that they need. And for my free time, I'm currently working towards becoming a volunteer EMT, because I have a lot of free time that I feel I'm wasting away...
- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1http://digg.com/offbeat_news/No_such_thing_as_a_free_lunch_Meet_the_freegans
I saw this and thought of you
- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -9/+9ooooh. an anarchist grassroots organization!
- macaddct1984, on 10/10/2007, -5/+9Well, I do help out with a movement called Food Not Bombs. We get donations from grocery stores that throw out tons and tons of food every day and bring it to communities who actually need it.
- Kewlduderules, on 11/10/2007, -5/+15I do sympathize with illegal immigrants and my heart really does pour out to them, seriously! The problem is that people view the United States as a country with infinite resources. We don't! Moreover, the United States is not and should never be in a position to act like the 'Salvation Army' for the rest of the world. It is unrealistic and it hurts everyone else other than the elite.
- joe7845, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3The US spends like it has infinite resources. Just look at Iraq.
- Tiak, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2You somehow got dugg down, despite the fact that we are indeed spending like we have limitless resources... Our debt has increased 17.5% each year Bush has been in office... Thanks to the nature of exponential growth this means if we got 8 more years of someone like him, the amount of debt to be paid back each year would exceed our GDP.
- BlackBob, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Does the fact that our leaders are going against the will of the people and wasting unlimited resources in Iraq mean that they should also go against the will of the people and provide unlimited resources to take care of people who are here illegally?
- joe7845, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3The US spends like it has infinite resources. Just look at Iraq.
- norman619, on 11/10/2007, -2/+9If Mexico wants us to provide welfare to their people then they should at least have the decency to become part of the US. I mean if we are going to support them why not go all the way? They have loads of natural resources we could put to better use than they have. Apply for statehood.
- joe7845, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I have not heard anything about the Mexican government asking for welfare. In fact, is there even a big movement among illegal immigrants in regards to welfare benefits?
- norman619, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3What do you call sending their peopel overhere with maps? We support the Mexican government. If we were able to stop illegal immigration from Mexico they would collapse. If you don't belive me look into the numbers. It's easily available online for you to see. This is the reason the Mexican government does not want us to fix this problem. For them is a huge financial crutch they can not do without.
- joe7845, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I have not heard anything about the Mexican government asking for welfare. In fact, is there even a big movement among illegal immigrants in regards to welfare benefits?
- maggiesue0303, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0You say we need a "third party to look out for the need of all americans". Well, I agree but that isn't possible when we are in a position like we were right before the civil war. On almost EVERY issue our country is split 50/50. I wish we could just create a third party, but even in that one there would be factions and subgroups. No one can agree. This country is going to split 50/50 soon if we don't do something though.
- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -9/+11This isn't going to work. We are one of the most caring countries in the world, but illegals are just taking too much.
- Terr01, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11What's sad is that nobody seems to be looking at what kind of generic age-old Congressional slop is behind this, namely changing votes at the last minute to avoid issues with appearances later. Everyone should really just vote "blind" and the total is only shown at the end.
http://public.cq.com/docs/cqt/news110-000002566387.html
And why isn't this in the video section?- omarciddo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Because there's no political section in the video section. The video section it seems was made purely for lols.
- luskin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7The thing is, there's no way to get a party that all Americans can get behind. What we need to do is to hold our own representatives more accountable for these despicable actions.
- omarciddo, on 11/10/2007, -3/+26Finally, another Latino who shares my opinion. I'd like to say this. My sister works for the Department of Social Services in downtown LA and to me the whole notion that illegals should get the same welfare opportunites as citizens is BS to me. Every day she'll tell us about how illegals will tell her flat out that they don't have papers or otherwise lie between their teeth about their status and conditions. What's worse is she's *not allowed* to use that in determining welfare qualification. On top of that, she's been reprimanded for *not giving enough* welfare!
One time, a woman came in saying "oh, I'm homeless, I don't have papers, I need money for school". When my sister called back about two weeks later to approve her request, the answering machine said "Oh, Hi...I'm sorry I'm vacationing in Miami right now I'll be back in a couple of weeks!". It's ridiculous how illegals are getting money that should be given to Americans first. To be honest, I'm against welfare altogether, but as long as it's there, priority should be given to citizens.- SkaGoblin, on 11/10/2007, -6/+1Wait, if she was homeless, what number did call her at?
- omarciddo, on 11/10/2007, -1/+5Cell phone. My point is she lied right between her teeth.
- SkaGoblin, on 11/10/2007, -2/+2But why wouldn't she take her cell phone with her.
Don't think I'm calling you a liar, it's just this seems too perfect, like if someone wanted to create a story which highlights the worst welfare cheats have done, this would be it.
Maybe I'm just bored at work, but something just doesn't seem right here- Suspected, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Not sure why Skagoblin was voted down. He brings a good point. I'm not too keen on the idea of welfare for illegal immigrants (I would rather they get food stamps), but statistics show that the vast majority on welfare don't stay on welfare; also, in many (if not all) states, there is a time limit for how long one may stay on welfare. The welfare system often works, and it's not fair to just use the few example of when it does not work.
- SkaGoblin, on 11/10/2007, -6/+1Wait, if she was homeless, what number did call her at?
- pictureDIGGER, on 11/10/2007, -4/+7It is too late, We need a Revolution.
- waynetheman, on 11/10/2007, -9/+4The American experiment has failed. Time to end it and start over with 50 smaller republics. And of the 50, either New Hampshire or Wyoming seem to be the best bets. SECESSION NOW!
- PixelVision, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4The country should be like that without any changes to the states. The federal government is out of control and should be downsized immensely. Give the states the control that they should have. Repeal all federal laws and allow the states to make the laws if the population wishes. In a land of 300million, democracy needs to be regionalized to give its best results.
- sotopheavy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3You are a moron.
- mal1964, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7The Latino vote is up for sale Rep tried to buy it two months ago. now the Dem are placing their bid. who ever wins that vote will be in the white house for a while.
- mal1964, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1But remember they work hard and are very smart, they will organize a powerful force. They will sell their vote for maybe ten to twenty years but sooner than you think they will use their vote wisely.
- netant, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2It looked to me like there was a level of confusion in tallying votes when the gavel went down (and changing of votes seconds afterwards). The Democrats claim the guy erroneously gavelled the vote closed too early. More important, they also offered to hold a revote on the bill. Makes sense, if the vote tally appears to be totally FUBAR. Its sad that the Republicans prefer to be drama queens rather than rectify an apparently chaotic vote session.
- glasnostic, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Floor summary: DEBATE - The House proceeded with 10 minutes of debate on the Lewis(CA) motion to recommit with instructions. The instructions contained in the motion seek to report the same back to the House promptly with an amendment that prohibits any funds in the Act(including grant funds) from being used to employ an alien who is not authorized to be employed in the United States and prohibit any funds in the Act for rental housing assistance programs to provide assistance to an alien not authorized to receive such assistance pursuant to 213A of the Immigration and Nationality Act.
what was actually defeated
- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -11/+14Are you saying that you're in favor of entitlements for illegals just not the tactic the Democrats used?
- jtb4, on 10/10/2007, -42/+16Play the Digg Board Game!
Rules:
Roll 2 dice and add up their number to get your score. Do this for at least 3 hours every day.
If you rolled a "1" then you just read a political article with no mention of Ron Paul. Congrats!!! Ding Ding Ding You just won 5,000,000 Points. Take the day off. Buy yourself a frozen coffee drink and go to your favorite place for lunch. (remember: 2 dice must be used. no cheating)
Anything else:
"2" You just read another article about the World's Craziest Named Cities, or one of the other articles that make front page more than once monthly. -100 Points
"3" You just got hit with a Conspiracy Theory that points to an official document that basically says nothing important. -250 Points.
"4" Oops! Prominent mention of "Web 2.0". -500 Points. Throw up a little in your mouth.
"5" Site is down due to Digg effect after 25 Diggs. And so is the Digg mirror. -1,000 Points.
"6" *****. Another iPhone has been hacked to run Space Invaders article. -1,000,000 Points. Scream in your head at your desk for a minute.
"7" Lookie here- a decent sounding article with a cool list of, oh wait, damn it's on Forbes, or Engadet, or Cracked or some site that will make you cycle through ads and endless pages to see the full list. -2,500 Points. Go stare at the wall for a minute until the buzzing in your brain stops.
"8" Snorg girl getting replaced by cold dry business ads. -2,000,000 Points. Go to the bathroom and fondly remember her for 15 minutes.
"9" Innocent article incites huge anti-Israel, anti-Immigration, or anti-Gay comment backlash. Enjoy this for its' waste of time potential. Milk those minutes by reading every buried comment and respond fearlessly with things your mother would cry if she knew you said. Gain: 100 Points
"10" Cat eating in China. -500 Points
"11" You just landed on Boytaurs. You sick *****. Minus a million points.
"12"New comment system. Go bang head against wall for remainder of game. -50 Points.
"13" If you just scored a 13 by rolling 2 dice then 500 Points. You found a pretty or funny picture, or list that is cool. Too bad it shows up on the front page every other week, but Digg it anyway.- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -8/+12shut up
- jtb4, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1did you really digg an article called Ron Paul Loves Shrimp?
Dude a shutup from you Ru Paulers is like a pat on the back from the rest of the Digg nation
- jtb4, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1did you really digg an article called Ron Paul Loves Shrimp?
- DiggsOnlyNeoCon, on 10/10/2007, -6/+15Trying Too Hard Alert.
- jtb4, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I can't believe I got such a negative reaction to this. Is it for the Ru Paul comment? I was just having fun. I have just been pissed about all of the crap on Digg lately. This morning I swear there was a front page article that was a photo of a stop sign in a neighborhood.
- DiggsOnlyNeoCon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Honestly, no one probably even read it.
- specialK16, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Not that it is a lie anyways.
- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -8/+12shut up
- ScrewedThePooch, on 10/10/2007, -30/+110I am ashamed for having voted Democrat thinking they would have made a positive difference in our country. All they've done since being elected is throw around idle threats of impeachment and try to put ***** like this into law. Who even recommended that this be voted on? Why was this even brought up as an issue. There is no reason for taxpayers to be giving welfare checks to illegals. The illegals will then go on to have 12 legal children to fatten their welfare checks and put more Americans below the poverty line from taxes. The welfare system is abused badly enough by our own citizen. We don't need any more. Impeach Bush, Cheney, Gonzo, and the whole Democratic congress. This country is going to hell so fast.
- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -7/+18I helped to vote in the Democrats knowing they'd be horrible.
- Monk22, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3as you look over and see Mr. Burns, tapping his fingers together "Excellent"
using their own incompetence against them, genius!- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5That wasn't the plan when I voted against the corruption, pork spending, and incompetence of the Republicans in Congress but it sure is working out that way isn't it? Even the Iraq war is starting (key word: starting) to look positive.
These guys might be in for a big loss in 2008, and it's their own stupid fault. - ScrewedThePooch, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2Just curious. What part of the Iraq war is starting to look positive? The only part I can see that looks positive is some politicians talking about troop withdrawal. But just as is the case with everything else, I wouldn't count on it happening given their ***** track record.
- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5That wasn't the plan when I voted against the corruption, pork spending, and incompetence of the Republicans in Congress but it sure is working out that way isn't it? Even the Iraq war is starting (key word: starting) to look positive.
- Monk22, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3as you look over and see Mr. Burns, tapping his fingers together "Excellent"
- alpinweiss88, on 11/10/2007, -11/+3"I am ashamed for having voted Democrat thinking they would have made a positive difference in our country. All they've done since being elected is throw around idle threats of impeachment" So you seem to be pro-impeachment, since you comment on "idle" threats...so which party would you rather have voted in then? I'm not saying Dems are better than Reps, they both have their issues. Who knows what the state of affairs would be if Kerry was in office. But I voted for him because he WASN'T Bush... and I stand by that vote. I also voted for Gore. Not sure how he would have done, that was a toss-up really. Of course, you could have voted for someone other than a Dem or Rep, and then you get to bitch constantly that both parties are corrupt and candidate X would have fixed everything.
- bigturns, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3You are ashamed for having voted Democrat because of a manipulation of a voting procedure? Have some resolve man - I'll take what I can get when the only other option is the rubber stamp republicans who run block while W and his administration trample all that is sacred (our Constitutional freedoms).
As for this issue - The plurality of posters here on Digg come from families who were once immigrants. A little compassion for our fellow man, I would think, is in order. Before you label me a bleeding heart, know that I do not advocate putting illegals on the 'public dole' permanently. Given the attention this issue has received it is my guess that we will be debating over-riding legislation, regarding immigration, once the House and Senate are back in session.- ScrewedThePooch, on 11/10/2007, -1/+4I'm not against immigrants or even illegals so much. After all, who else is going to pick lettuce all day? What I AM against is giving WELFARE to illegals, a system that they don't even put any money into. Why should I pay for them to sit around and have kids? My family was once immigrants, too, but they did not have welfare at the taxpayers' expense.
- bacon_skoda, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2Illegals do pay taxes dude. there are 15-20% of the treasury right now being left unclaimed because illegals use fake ssn, employers have to pay the taxes assuming it's real and illegals can't claim on the retirement. we can undo the 20% and sink SS if you want.
- ScrewedThePooch, on 11/10/2007, -1/+4I'm not against immigrants or even illegals so much. After all, who else is going to pick lettuce all day? What I AM against is giving WELFARE to illegals, a system that they don't even put any money into. Why should I pay for them to sit around and have kids? My family was once immigrants, too, but they did not have welfare at the taxpayers' expense.
- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -7/+18I helped to vote in the Democrats knowing they'd be horrible.
- greytoupe, on 11/10/2007, -24/+7if lou dobbs showed any candor whatsoever his show would be good. but he's such a smug a-hole and it's so obvious it's more important to him to editorialize than to tell the truth
- chillmandan, on 11/10/2007, -12/+3Yeah you're not kidding. The man has definitely lost journalism cred ability.
- Kewlduderules, on 11/10/2007, -3/+6What is the truth about this story then?
- chillmandan, on 11/10/2007, -2/+1I'm not saying he's not telling the truth, but the man interejects his opinions into every story so much its ridiculous. It's like if Dick Vitale was doing the news.
- Kewlduderules, on 11/10/2007, -3/+6What is the truth about this story then?
- neoblaque, on 11/10/2007, -3/+7He is telling more truth and candor than anybody on TV except for Jon Stewart, who are you listening to Oprah?
- chillmandan, on 11/10/2007, -12/+3Yeah you're not kidding. The man has definitely lost journalism cred ability.
- TheCaterpillar, on 11/10/2007, -20/+104Hmmm... if Digg has taught me anything, then this, somehow, must be Bush's fault.
- LANopticx, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Yea, really, Digg is good for that!
- Compared2What, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Figured it out did you. . .
- maklershed, on 10/10/2007, -8/+14And if Republicans taught me anything, this is somehow Clinton's fault.
- SocialPoison, on 10/10/2007, -1/+21Sure... lemme give it a crack...
DAMN BUSH! IF HE'D JUST APPROVE THE IMMIGRATION BILL AND GIVE AMNESTY TO ILLEGALS THIS CRAP WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED!!!11!eleven!!
...how'd I do? :)- Shawn4168, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7You did great! For a second there, I was convinced that you were just another average Digg member!
- mal1964, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1His own party left him like a whore in Church.
- luther70, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Actually isn't immigration the only thing that the Dems and Bush agree on?
- Btzarro, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0If republicans have taught me anything its go 'give *****' to brown skinned people, aint that right you small minded hick?
- Newportbeachguy, on 11/10/2007, -21/+38I hate La Raza
- HYPEractive, on 11/10/2007, -8/+12What does "la raza" have to do with the immigration bill? Immigrants can be Latino, Asian, Black, and yes... even white!!!
- merreborn, on 10/10/2007, -8/+6Sure, they *can* be, but let's be honest here. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are South American.
- HYPEractive, on 11/10/2007, -7/+9South American? You mean like Brazilian? Ecuadorian? Nicaraguan? ... or are you trying to say Mexico? Which isn't in South America.
Trips me out how people FORGOT how illegal Chinese immigrants built the railroads and Irish stow-aways worked the factories. This new movement is just another wave that makes this country so great. IT IS THE REASON WHY AMERICA IS AMERICA.- Monk22, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2well if the nagasaki thread was any indication. i belive it goes something like, two wrongs dont make a right. just because there were illigeals before doesnt make it okay that more can come.
side note:maybe its just me but how did we set up "homeland security" and not secure the border. thats like security rule #1. lock the doors.
- Monk22, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2well if the nagasaki thread was any indication. i belive it goes something like, two wrongs dont make a right. just because there were illigeals before doesnt make it okay that more can come.
- joe7845, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Most immigrants to the US are North American. A good chunk are probably Central American.
Nicaragua, BTW, is in Central America.
- HYPEractive, on 11/10/2007, -7/+9South American? You mean like Brazilian? Ecuadorian? Nicaraguan? ... or are you trying to say Mexico? Which isn't in South America.
- merreborn, on 10/10/2007, -8/+6Sure, they *can* be, but let's be honest here. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are South American.
- MrZaiko, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Hey do me a tiny favor, go to east LA and yell that with all your heart, im sure you'll get a positive response =)
- OG1502, on 10/10/2007, -5/+6You're blind to see that they do help. Do they not pay sales tax? If they rent don't they pay their landlords so THEY can pay the property tax? If they own a home don't they HAVE to pay property tax? If they don't contribute to social security they don't receive it, that's it. Did I miss a tax? Maybe if you gave them a chance to be "legal" in your eyes then wouldn't they have to abide by your laws? Time for you to stop complaining and help someone.
- Not a blind citizen- Smurph0404, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Yeah you missed income tax. That's the one that takes hundreds of dollars out of my pay check every 2 weeks. If they want to abide by my laws, they can start by comng to this country legally.
- gimpbully, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1then let them pay taxes! that's the point! don't slip your xenophobia behind a guise of inequality. The fact is, you don't want them here and your argument is self-defeating.
- Smurph0404, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You're wrong. We can't just "let them pay taxes," that would require the government to grant them automatic amnesty for the crime of illegal immigration. We can't take their money and say "thanks, but you still shouldn't be here." What they did was against the law. That is not my opinion, that is a fact. It is not xenophobic to expect my government, which takes plenty of my money, to enforce their own laws. I have no problem with immigrants of any origin, but I have a problem with people acting like the law does not apply to them because of their status as a minority.
- Smurph0404, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Yeah you missed income tax. That's the one that takes hundreds of dollars out of my pay check every 2 weeks. If they want to abide by my laws, they can start by comng to this country legally.
- OG1502, on 10/10/2007, -5/+6You're blind to see that they do help. Do they not pay sales tax? If they rent don't they pay their landlords so THEY can pay the property tax? If they own a home don't they HAVE to pay property tax? If they don't contribute to social security they don't receive it, that's it. Did I miss a tax? Maybe if you gave them a chance to be "legal" in your eyes then wouldn't they have to abide by your laws? Time for you to stop complaining and help someone.
- pcore, on 11/10/2007, -5/+3Proves you're racist. All you ***** just hide behind "hating illegal immigrants" but in reality you hate latinos in general. Im from East LA and I bet you that it would only take me to beat the ***** out of you for being such an ignorant *****. What pisses me off the most though is that you're actually being dugg up. Digg has A LOT of racist. And hey you think I'm just being defensive because I am latino? Well I'm against illegal immigration too but you don't see me saying "I hate La Raza".
I wish I met every single one of you racist punks in person.- Nicko9y, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Orale!
- sfatoo, on 11/10/2007, -0/+3I'm assuming you're referring to the political advocacy group (National Council of La Raza: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Council_of_La_Raza), which is commonly referred to as "La Raza" and not the general usage which refers to Latinos. Considering the largest section on the Wikipedia entry is "Criticism", it appears a lot of people agree with you.
- HYPEractive, on 11/10/2007, -8/+12What does "la raza" have to do with the immigration bill? Immigrants can be Latino, Asian, Black, and yes... even white!!!
- esbern1, on 10/11/2007, -29/+13the Ron Paul assholes haven't commented yet? odd....
- bigpeeler, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14They don't have to.
- bigj480, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12 True, people know where Paul would stands on this issue. Both sides are corrupt and Paul isn't really a member of either party. A vote for "the lesser of two evils" is still a vote for evil, pick your poison.
- rationalist, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Check his actual voting record on the issue, posted upthread.
It is the exact opposite of what you imply.- bigj480, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul269.html
Go to numbersusa.com and click on "2008 prez candidates" on the right side of your screen, then click on "republican" and then "page 2".He gets a B. You also have to remember that one may agree or disagree with the stated goal of a bill but have to vote the opposite because they don't like the methods or there were things tacked on that they disagree with. In other words, a vote for or against a bill doesn't nessisarily indicate a stance. However, I will look into those votes.
- bigj480, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul269.html
- rationalist, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Check his actual voting record on the issue, posted upthread.
- bigj480, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12 True, people know where Paul would stands on this issue. Both sides are corrupt and Paul isn't really a member of either party. A vote for "the lesser of two evils" is still a vote for evil, pick your poison.
- pictureDIGGER, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5nope, but the anti ron paul spammers have... twice.
- bigpeeler, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14They don't have to.
- PRlME, on 10/10/2007, -17/+11U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!
- TKn00b, on 10/10/2007, -8/+4you must be an illegal alien.
- arcooke, on 10/10/2007, -2/+32"and our paid representatives care not for Justice. Money is their motive."
And you just now figured this out? Welcome to America.- Lukas2000, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4As much as I agree that our representatives are only motiviated by money, I find it ironic that most of the people on this page are only complaining about how their tax dollars are going to non-citizens. It just goes to show that 99% of you wouldn't be much better than the people we have in office right now.
- bigj480, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2No, there is a difference. The health of our economy and the survival of the middle class is dependent on this issue. Most people on this site are in the middle class and they have reason to worry. The politicians are worried about making more money, even thought they are rich, we are worried about making enough to live. Should we just allow all of our tax money to go to illegals? Do you not realize that this amounts to theft by government? Should we increase taxes and give the illegals more money? How about "free" health care? You must love for the politicians to take your money by force and give it to illegals. By your logic, we shouldn't have a problem giving all of our money away to illegals. After all, if we do we are just like the corrupt politicians who sell us out. Your point is illogical. Our tax dollars are to be spent on things that we want to fund and it is our RIGHT to disagree with those in power.
- Lukas2000, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You're taking an extreme scenario and trying to prove your point with it. Of course it wouldn't be reasonable for the government to give all of our tax money to illegals or any other singular cause. However, it doesn't make sense for people to complain about such a small percentage of their tax dollars that is going toward something that may in fact be helping people (granted a sub-human form of people referred to as "illegals") when most of your money is going toward funding wars and corrupt foreign regimes.
If you're giving a dollar in taxes and 50 cents of it goes toward a war while about half a cent goes toward helping your neighbor who may have committed the minor crime of dreaming he and his family could have a better life in this country, then you really have to be morally destitute to complain about the half a cent.- bigj480, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1 I would do away with both. I don't agree with the war or the stealing of my "half a cent". It's about principle. Theft is theft, no mater how small. What if I took a cent from everyones bank account? That is only one cent, 50 cents of your taxes go towards the war. Would it be wrong of me to do that? I would be extremely rich and it wouldn't hurt you much. No, it's wrong and illegal for an individual to do but people don't feel the same way if the government does it.
- Lukas2000, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You're taking an extreme scenario and trying to prove your point with it. Of course it wouldn't be reasonable for the government to give all of our tax money to illegals or any other singular cause. However, it doesn't make sense for people to complain about such a small percentage of their tax dollars that is going toward something that may in fact be helping people (granted a sub-human form of people referred to as "illegals") when most of your money is going toward funding wars and corrupt foreign regimes.
- bigj480, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2No, there is a difference. The health of our economy and the survival of the middle class is dependent on this issue. Most people on this site are in the middle class and they have reason to worry. The politicians are worried about making more money, even thought they are rich, we are worried about making enough to live. Should we just allow all of our tax money to go to illegals? Do you not realize that this amounts to theft by government? Should we increase taxes and give the illegals more money? How about "free" health care? You must love for the politicians to take your money by force and give it to illegals. By your logic, we shouldn't have a problem giving all of our money away to illegals. After all, if we do we are just like the corrupt politicians who sell us out. Your point is illogical. Our tax dollars are to be spent on things that we want to fund and it is our RIGHT to disagree with those in power.
- Lukas2000, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4As much as I agree that our representatives are only motiviated by money, I find it ironic that most of the people on this page are only complaining about how their tax dollars are going to non-citizens. It just goes to show that 99% of you wouldn't be much better than the people we have in office right now.
- str3ama, on 10/11/2007, -32/+11you whine about jobs being taken away, but how many legal Americans would really be willingly to do all the gutteral jobs that illegal immigrants do?
All I'm saying is that illegal immigrants help us do the jobs that no one wants or is willing to do in the first place. Let them stay here and do those jobs - but don't let them take jobs that can be filled by legal citizens. So construction work, etc should be discouraged against illegal immigrants, but jobs like farming, janitorial, etc should be left available for them. If an illegal immigrant shows an effort of contributing, then make the a legal citizen - let them have job security, and hell earn taxes from that job. There's no need for deportation of some of these migrants, who are readily willingly to work and are doing so not out of spite for the Americans, but because of economic problems in their homeland.- joe90210, on 10/10/2007, -4/+19why would americans not be willing to do those jobs? illegals get work not because they do jobs that americans aren't willing to do, but because they're willing to do them at a unfairly low wage that average americans can't live on.
- sodade, on 10/10/2007, -8/+3so NOW you want to support minimum wage laws because it helps your arguement?
- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5He didn't say that. A free market would do that, too. The only problem is that illegals are willing to pack into apartments like sardines, share beds with many others (taking shifts sleeping several at a time), and get by on whatever they can get. In my area, that means they wear work uniforms and the free shirts given to them every few months from my place of work, and eat ungodly amounts of food at the company's free buffet.
I still can't believe it seeing groups of thin, short Chinese people with a plate stacked high with rice, another one with a huge stack of tomato slices and a pile of sweet potatoes, a salad bowl with 5 or so oranges in it, a bowl of "congee soup", a salad (which they douse with hot water, oddly), and another plate stacked high with a variety of meats and veggies.... and usually eat it all (or close to it) in their one hour sitting.
These people have a different standard of living from the rest of us.
Americans would refuse to work for the wages a lot of illegals are getting, regardless of any minimum wage laws.
- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5He didn't say that. A free market would do that, too. The only problem is that illegals are willing to pack into apartments like sardines, share beds with many others (taking shifts sleeping several at a time), and get by on whatever they can get. In my area, that means they wear work uniforms and the free shirts given to them every few months from my place of work, and eat ungodly amounts of food at the company's free buffet.
- thebaron2, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6MW laws don't affect people working illegally. They get paid cash, under the table.
Either that or they're using someone else's identity and SS# to be payed "legitimately." - HYPEractive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1It just shows you how resourceful this new batch of immigrants are... squeezing meals out of pennies to feed a family.
- joe7845, on 10/10/2007, -3/+0Why is that American's can't live on those wages but immigrants can? I get it. They are beneath you.
- mike17032, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Are you willing to live like they are? Do you want everyone to live that way? How about you try it out first *****.
- mike17032, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Are you willing to live like they are? Do you want everyone to live that way? How about you try it out first *****.
- sodade, on 10/10/2007, -8/+3so NOW you want to support minimum wage laws because it helps your arguement?
- leogodin217, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12You are incorrect. You should be saying "illegal immigrants help us to do the jobs that no one wants or is willing to do for very low pay" All of these jobs were being done by Americans before illegal aliens came in and started doing them for much less money. American's will do almost any job when fairly compensated.
- Monk22, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2except the glaring fact the unemployment rates for low skilled (read high school educated) workers have gone up while the other segments have gone down. now what has happened that could cause low skilled workers not to be able to find work. hmmmm. maybe a flood of illegals taking their jobs and working for half as much?
- RedHerringHack, on 11/10/2007, -0/+19You gotta be joking. Illegal immigration is driving down pay, driving up insurance and taxes and closing hospitals. If I had to feed my family, I would any old crappy job, but I can't because the illegals have taken them all and the employers are in collusion with them. Enforce the fracking laws. The "does jobs no one else would do" argument is BS.
With your plan there would be "second class" citizens here. Thats not america. - OG1502, on 10/10/2007, -11/+3I'm a citizen on the US and I completely agree with you. Immigrants are hard working people who deserve the right to work, even if man's laws do make them "Illegal".
- santiago1, on 11/10/2007, -3/+11Make the Welfare and Food Stamp program a maximum of 1 month to help get back on the feet, then no more. Once they (lazy Americans) realize they can no longer leach off the government for their cigarettes, booze, and lottery tickets, they may actually be more inclined to go for those jobs that everyone says no one wants to do. If you're hungry enough, you won't mind mopping the floor and cleaning the toilets if you know it puts dinner on the table, especially if there are children depending on you...
- DreKor, on 11/10/2007, -5/+7Capitalism sure is a bitch sometimes. It is not an employer's job to see that their employees are fairly compensated, it is their job to get the best return on their investment. Employees have the same responsibility to themselves. They should be looking for the most money for their time and skills. These desires are inherently incompatible. Of course companies are going to hire illegals to do jobs for less than Americans.
- sj200, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Oh blow it out your shorts. Why would anyone hire a legal American when there are so many illegals running around willing to work for very little and zero benefits. Been to a home depot lately?
- Kewlduderules, on 11/10/2007, -0/+10Your statement is incorrect. Are you aware that there is growing hostility toward Mexicans from the African American community? Do you know why?
If not, I will tell you. They are taking their jobs and they are angry. Look at what is happening in Los Angeles. Americans do want the jobs. It is just that corporate interests want cheap labor and want to make a bigger profit.- Monk22, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1as i mentioned above the unemployment rate for high school educated/low skill jobs has risen while the other segments have fallen.
- bigj480, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Oh yeah, "the jobs that Americans wont do"™. The idea that no Americans will do the jobs that illegals do is ignorant. Who did those jobs before them? The truth is that we wont do them for slave wages and companies actively seek illegals while dismissing citizens. This is why there are law firms that specialize in complying with the law just enough to allow companies to hire immigrants. Even if they were the only ones who would do the jobs, that wouldn't excuse them from following the law. Are you really ready to allow laws to be broken for economic gain? I'm sure that you are the same type of person that complains about corporate crimes. Hypocrisy at it's best.
- antisthenex, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4We aren't whining about illegal immigrants. We're whining about illegal immigrants getting welfare. I agree with you, but you're missing the point of the post.
- joe90210, on 10/10/2007, -4/+19why would americans not be willing to do those jobs? illegals get work not because they do jobs that americans aren't willing to do, but because they're willing to do them at a unfairly low wage that average americans can't live on.
- rowlodge, on 10/10/2007, -7/+8mexico just seems asleep over there, they need something to wake up everybody.i'm pretty sure it would be another iraq in our backyard, if they were'nt right next to us.
- gimpbully, on 10/10/2007, -8/+4xenowhat?
- Kewlduderules, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Actually, the world bank and the IMF are partly responsible for this mess with Mexico by giving them huge loans that they were obviously going to default on. Because of this, arrangements were made for international industry to come in and exploit the country's resources. And American business too went into Mexico and drove out domestic industry- source of cheap labor. Mexican businesses could not compete. So now you have a lot of international business, little domestic industry, little corporate taxation (if any) in Mexico, meanwhile, a large portion of the country's income is paid to service the loans from the IMF and World Bank.
- Monk22, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5it doesn't help much when V. Fox was handing out fliers showing the best routes to get across the Rio Grande.
- CullerClassic, on 10/21/2007, -21/+20If you don't know, don't care to understand the whole of the situation that occurred then don't post this video with a tag line you know will just get it dugg. Digg is not about getting attention for yourself. On the one hand, I'm glad this got posted... just sad on HOW it got posted. Do a little research and figure out that he was told an incorrect vote before he brought down the gavel. Because of that, they recounted... and then suddenly a lot more people were voting against the measure. Bother to know your story before you post!
- antisthenex, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9Generally when bragging about the research you've done and how everyone is ignorant, you should take the 2 seconds necessary to copy and paste a source.
- joe7845, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2They did mention that on the video towards the end.
- ScottooMc, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1It seems to me that there is always someone who makes a condescending post about how the title is incorrect and that the submitter needs to get the facts straight. CullerClassics, it doesn't get anymore straight forward than this article. When you make a conceited ignorant comment as such you will get dugg down even by your fellow liberal diggers. Do us all a favor and STFU!!!!
- daggah, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0It's not an article in the link. It's a video. And you're a tool.
- ScottooMc, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Your a childish *****. Correction video. I guess when you have no argument you find just about anything to comment on. Way to show your true intellect pal!!!!
- daggah, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0It's not an article in the link. It's a video. And you're a tool.
- an0nymous, on 10/10/2007, -13/+21Unacceptable. Unforgiveable.
Goddamn them.- RollFizzlebeef, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3lol @ "Goddamn them". You moron.
- xtraa, on 10/10/2007, -29/+17Lol,
interesting how people here fear to spend approx. 0.2 cent a month for some welfare - and at the same time ignoring the $ 150 they pay every month for the sh1t that GWB is responsible for.
Funny world. Dumb people.- MeauxToo, on 10/10/2007, -5/+12There is, of course, the other category that want to stop spending the 0.2 cents for welfare AND the $150 for the GWB sh1t. One penny of tax dollars going to people who are braking the law is wrong. It undermines the rule of law in the same manner as lying about intelligence, outing a NOC, warrentless wiretaps, and the modification of this vote. Tell me how the rule of law is a dumb notion?
One other point -- we don't fear these immigration policies. We are simply enraged by them.- sodade, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3When the law is not ***** pragmatic - that's when the rule of law becomes a "dumb notion."
Why do you people whine with such vigor over that .02 cents?
Personally, I am all for giving the lower tier of our society a ***** handout if it keeps them fat, happy and not brining down my castle because they have nothing to lose.
Pragmatism FTW!- bigj480, on 11/10/2007, -1/+4People like you, who feel that giving hand outs to those who are "disenfranchised" will motivate them to get out of their situation, should be allowed to gave as much as you would like to them. People like me, who realize that giving handouts to people takes away from their drive to improve their situation should not be FORCED to give our money to them. That would be forced charity, otherwise known as theft. Giving handouts to people only creates people who depend on your handouts. What else would you expect?
- xtraa, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Good point but what about giving the money but only under additional requirements. No one would like to waste a cent for people who are not willing to work. But that is not the case if there are restrictions. More money means more consumption and investments, means more income and jobs. If you don't have money to spend, then this chain will never happen.
- MeauxToo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2If a law is not pragmatic, you change it, but you follow it until that time. You do not disregard it. Your position is identical to the justification used by the Bush administration to illegally wiretap US citizens without a warrant -- FISA failed to recognize modern technology and meet pragmatic efforts to fight terrorism, so we disregarded it. The rule of law is not an abstract notion -- it is the bedrock of our society. Without it, you don't need the lower tier of society to bring down your castle. It can simply be taken from you because it no longer belongs to you.
- bigj480, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1 Every time I try to reply to xtraa's post I get a message stating "Your session has expired, please refresh the page before commenting." even though I can reply to everyone else. Anyway, I'll reply here. It would be fine to give your money to a charity that puts restrictions on it's recipients, but not for the government to make you give to such a charity. Again, that is theft. It also does not boost the economy. A dollar is a dollar no matter who spends it and I can spend my money just fine, thank you.
- bigj480, on 11/10/2007, -1/+4People like you, who feel that giving hand outs to those who are "disenfranchised" will motivate them to get out of their situation, should be allowed to gave as much as you would like to them. People like me, who realize that giving handouts to people takes away from their drive to improve their situation should not be FORCED to give our money to them. That would be forced charity, otherwise known as theft. Giving handouts to people only creates people who depend on your handouts. What else would you expect?
- sodade, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3When the law is not ***** pragmatic - that's when the rule of law becomes a "dumb notion."
- sodade, on 10/10/2007, -10/+8why do you ***** morons digg this down? Compared to the other issues we face, welfare isn't even worth discussing. Why do you dickwads get so worked up about welfare?
- LANopticx, on 11/10/2007, -2/+10It's the fact that they are ILLEGAL ALIENS. Wake up.
- sodade, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2*****. It is the same people whining about illegal aliens that are whining about welfare. Ironically, these are the same people who support a free market and are anti-abortion.
- jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2So you oppose capitalism... please tell me you're not an American
- sodade, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2*****. It is the same people whining about illegal aliens that are whining about welfare. Ironically, these are the same people who support a free market and are anti-abortion.
- shadowhander, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4agreed. what the hell is so ***** hard to understand about the issue? they broke and are still breaking the laws of this country, so we should reward them? what planet are you from?
- Monk22, on 11/10/2007, -0/+5becuase im sick of working so some lazy piece of ***** can sit around all day on his/her fat ass.
- xtraa, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1If you want to push the economy then give them something to start up, to build their own business and to make more money and jobs. I don't know your picture of capitalism or lets say 'free market economy' instead, but it seems to be pretty clear here.
- LANopticx, on 11/10/2007, -2/+10It's the fact that they are ILLEGAL ALIENS. Wake up.
- antisthenex, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8We're not ignoring the Iraq "war". There's a ton of posts everyday trashing the war in every way. This just happens to be a post about a different issue, and yes, we're still pissed that our money is being wasted. It doesn't matter how much, money wasted is money wasted.
Quit being narrow-minded and get off your high horse.- sodade, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2"get off your high horse"
pot...kettle...black
- sodade, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2"get off your high horse"
- pitlord, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Digging this down because you are an idiot. We spend more federal tax dollars on social services and entitlements than any other category including our military.
Check out this graph:
http://www.federalbudget.com/
We spent $1.3 TRILLION dollars on Social Security and Health and Human Services, the two biggest entitlement programs in the world. WE SPEND MORE ON THESE WELFARE PROGRAMS THAN WE DO TO PAY THE DEBT AND RUN OUR WHOLE MILITARY!
So, if we stayed with your example, it'd more accurate to say we spend 0.02 cents per month on welfare and 0.01 cents, "they pay every month for the sh1t that GWB is responsible for."
That is why you are being dugg down.
X^P- xtraa, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1pitlord,
then something must went wrong because you do not even have an expensive federal healthcare system. Interesting. Must be an error in the system somehere. Maybe it's because it is so expensive to pay all the people that are going to jail, > because they get criminal due to the lack of income?
Or maybe it's because you can't push the economy with the expenditures of poor people, because they simply have nothing that they could spend, or invest or something to start their own business from.
- xtraa, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1pitlord,
- MeauxToo, on 10/10/2007, -5/+12There is, of course, the other category that want to stop spending the 0.2 cents for welfare AND the $150 for the GWB sh1t. One penny of tax dollars going to people who are braking the law is wrong. It undermines the rule of law in the same manner as lying about intelligence, outing a NOC, warrentless wiretaps, and the modification of this vote. Tell me how the rule of law is a dumb notion?
- vSuperLuminal, on 10/10/2007, -27/+38***** corrupt Democrats or "NeoCrats" as I like to call them. Now that people are tired of the corrupt Republicans, I guess it is time to go back to the corrupt Democrats. I would much rather have the Republicans in power because, although they are corrupt, at least they allow citizens to keep a larger share of their hard-earned money and they are for smaller goverment. Smaller government means that there are fewer corrupt politicians. Why don't people get this? Oh, right, some idiots actually believe that the NeoCrats are altruistic. *****' idiots...
- lpmiller, on 10/10/2007, -2/+24Being for smaller government, and actually giving us a smaller government, are two separate things. The republicans have never actually made government smaller. They only make the parts they don't like smaller, while increasing things like corporate welfare. Both parties suck.
- Smiths, on 10/10/2007, -3/+16Do you think The Department of Homeland Security is a great example of smaller government working for you?
- BobMysterioso, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7You're being dugg down, but thats just silly. The DHS is an umbrella organization that is the largest government entity in the history of our government. The sheer amount of letterhead that had to be redone is staggering due to all the rearranged the DHS has forced down on smaller entities. Smaller government is not a Republican ideal (at least for the current Administration) any longer. The government is large and getting larger, in both size and power over you. Your 4th amendment rights have been removed if you have overseas contacts.
- LadyAmerica, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2WRONG re 4th amendment rights removed for overseas contacts. That's only if you have TERRORISTS as your overseas contacts!
- Monk22, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2your right smaller gov isn't an ideal of the current administration and it pisses me off. for as much as you guys bitch about bush, apart from the war his policies are incredibly liberal. huge gov spending, amnesty for illegals, and so on.
- Shawn4168, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4No, but I think it's a great example of me not getting killed by some nutjob with exploding shoes.
- sodade, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5I feel sorry for you to be cowering in fear all the time.
- BobMysterioso, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7You're being dugg down, but thats just silly. The DHS is an umbrella organization that is the largest government entity in the history of our government. The sheer amount of letterhead that had to be redone is staggering due to all the rearranged the DHS has forced down on smaller entities. Smaller government is not a Republican ideal (at least for the current Administration) any longer. The government is large and getting larger, in both size and power over you. Your 4th amendment rights have been removed if you have overseas contacts.
- torrange, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9I have to say that I am neither a democrat or a republican. I like to think for myself, study the issues, then make an informed choice - what a concept.
I am not sure what smaller government you are speaking of? If you mean adding numerous agencies and programs for our protection like the republicans did, you need to get your facts straight. oh yea, Bush did reduce the size of the military presence in Iraq by giving Billions of dollars in contract to private contractors. Great move, let's support our troops by taking maintenance and food service from the military and giving it to private civilians. - LANopticx, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4The previous posters completely overlooked "allow citizens to keep a larger share of their hard-earned money". Is it because they can't refute this? Or is it because they are too busy giving their money to illegal aliens and talk about how that isn't really the issue anyway, bush bush bush.
- torrange, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I think about keeping my hard-earned money every time I go to the gas pump.
- daggah, on 10/10/2007, -3/+0Yeah, your average citizen gets a few bucks more on his tax refund check. WOOOT! Now, pay no mind to the debt that the Republican government is running up...
Isn't it the most basic of financial skills: don't spend what you don't have?
- bwdigg, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5"at least they allow citizens to keep a larger share of their hard-earned money..."
Huh??? Do you have ANY IDEA of how much debt the current administration has run up in YOUR NAME? That will have to get paid, and by YOU. The only way taxes were lowered was by not paying debts that were being rung up. There was certainly no reduction in spending during the Republican reign.
The Democrats are "Tax and Spend" but the Republicans are "Spend like Crazy and Charge it all to the Grandchildren". - mepol, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2oooohh... How creative. Neocrats! You are a moron! Or is that neo-ron?
- daggah, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Lot of good that "small government" philosophy is doing us now. What's the cost of the illegal Iraq war up to again? I lost track.
- NikoKun, on 10/10/2007, -35/+14Oh yeah... heaven forbid we help people in need, regardless of whether they're officially citizens or not... -_-
This digg poster is a greedy racist *****...- 2612, on 10/10/2007, -5/+18This is not about "helping people" its about obeying the rules and cheating when things don't go your way. Or do the ends justify the means?
- popstop785, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10Yeah forbid I get mad at illegals getting free welfare when they do not have to sign up for selective service or jury duty. Forbid I get mad at helping someone theat does not help back. I hate moochers.
- RDRP, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9They're like torrent users that don't seed
- OG1502, on 10/10/2007, -5/+5You're blind to see that they do help. Do they not pay sales tax? If they rent don't they pay their landlords so THEY can pay the property tax? If they own a home don't they HAVE to pay property tax? If they don't contribute to social security they don't receive it, that's it. Did I miss a tax? Maybe if you gave them a chance to be "legal" in your eyes then wouldn't they have to abide by your laws? Time for you to stop complaining and help someone.
- Not a blind citizen
- joe7845, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1To me, the level of illegality in undocumented immigration is similar to the level of ilegality in driving over the speed limit. When you drive over the speed limit you could even kill someone.
- popstop785, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10Yeah forbid I get mad at illegals getting free welfare when they do not have to sign up for selective service or jury duty. Forbid I get mad at helping someone theat does not help back. I hate moochers.
- cawpin, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10No, he's a law abiding CITIZEN of the US. You are an idiot. I'm not against helping people when they need it. What I am against is peddling to the lazy assholes who refuse to get a job and keep pumping out babies. People that are here illegally also don't deserve anything from us for free.
- antisthenex, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8It's about contributing to the money pot.
Illegal immigrants getting welfare is like the douchebag in a group working on a project that didn't do any work but still got an A. Illegal immigrants don't contribute to welfare at all, and if they stay illegal, they never will. They're literally just taking free money.- phmfthacim, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/llr/vol9/lipman.php
shut the ***** up you piece of ***** - joe7845, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0But they do. If they pay taxes, as a group, why would they not be entitled to the benefits taxes provide?
- phmfthacim, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/llr/vol9/lipman.php
- Wosat, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7There's no law against giving your own money away. So how much do you give? Hypocrite.
And if I sneak into Mexico, can I be legally employed? Do I get free medical care? Benefits? Can I even own land? No? Well I guess it's Mexicans who are a bunch of greedy racist assholes! - faskippy, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7Buuulllllssshhhiiiittttt!!!! What in the ***** makes you think that I, as a legal citizen who pays taxes, should be forced to have that money go to a ***** criminal illegal alien, against my will? You dumb, whimpering piece of *****! Why don't you go to Mexico and help them get their ***** together? Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
- Kewlduderules, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9I'm amazed how people run to the racism argument when they cannot argue the facts.
- phmfthacim, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5I can argue the facts and argue racism. undocumented immigrants contribute billions of dollars in taxes each year, don't receive social security or free health care, and still ***** digg libertarians sit here and act all colorblind and ***** dumb:
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/llr/vol9/lipman.php
- phmfthacim, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5I can argue the facts and argue racism. undocumented immigrants contribute billions of dollars in taxes each year, don't receive social security or free health care, and still ***** digg libertarians sit here and act all colorblind and ***** dumb:
- sean65, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7If the digg poster is a racist *****, then you're an idiot. The US should not provide welfare to people who illegally break in to the country. The analogy is: someone breaks in to your house. They won't leave. You're now responsible for buying them food and providing shelter.
- Smurph0404, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Don't forget: you're also not allowed to try to do anything about it because that would be racist.
- LANopticx, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Everyone above me just Owned you. How could anyone support giving taxpayers money to illegal aliens? Without choice!? Stop using the racist card, no one buys it.
- Monk22, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4the only greedy assholes i see are the ones that dont feel they should have to follow the rules or work for their own money.
- NikoKun, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1If our government would stop fighting political wars, like this war on terrorism... and end the Costly war on drugs... ALL that extra money could go to helping the people of America in a direct way...
But no, out country would rather spend money fighting and jailing people, than helping its own people... or even a few illegals here and there
Once again Everyone seems to have proved my point here too... even if I got dugg down.- Monk22, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2all that extra money could be back in my pocket. and i will never ever help an illegal by choice. i help enough when they show up at a hospital emergency room becuase they have no insurance, use our schools with out paying the taxes to fund it. you can donate your pay if you want to help them so bad. dont ask for mine.
- 2612, on 10/10/2007, -5/+18This is not about "helping people" its about obeying the rules and cheating when things don't go your way. Or do the ends justify the means?
- in2deep, on 10/10/2007, -27/+2Democrats are only hope my friend!
- CBRoberts, on 10/10/2007, -11/+34"Most of Congress works for La Raza." Yes, I'm sure that's an accurate statement. Our government is at the mercy of illegal immigrants. Because poor people who can't vote are the ones who are really pulling the strings and they're the source of all our problems. I just wish Americans would stay focused on illegal immigrants, and not let themselves be distracted by arguments that the rich and powerful are the ones pulling the strings.
- sj200, on 10/10/2007, -5/+5who says illegals don't vote?
- OG1502, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3They dont. If you're naive enough to believe so, now I know why the US is so messed up.
- OG1502, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4And to those who say they steal, you're blind to see that they do help. Do they not pay sales tax? If they rent don't they pay their landlords so THEY can pay the property tax? If they own a home don't they HAVE to pay property tax? If they don't contribute to social security they don't receive it, that's it. Did I miss a tax? Maybe if you gave them a chance to be "legal" in your eyes then wouldn't they have to abide by your laws? Time for you to stop complaining and help someone.
- Not a blind citizen- Monk22, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1help yourself, not my problem
- BufordT, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Correction, they can't vote YET. That is the whole point of these ***** handouts, because if they get amnesty and become citizens they will be able to vote. And who keeps the free welfare cash coming? DEMOCRATS.
Amnesty + Welfare = Votes for Democrats
- sj200, on 10/10/2007, -5/+5who says illegals don't vote?
- xxenclavexx, on 10/10/2007, -8/+18This is not disgusting, this is morally reprehensible. However I know the Republican Party is by no means innocent as well.
- giantdouche, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I'd support a senseless war before using taxpayer money to subsidize the lifestyles of INVADERS TO THIS COUNTRY.
- Yeago, on 10/10/2007, -16/+7Who do they think they are, Robin Hood?! Scoundrels!
- BandarBush, on 11/10/2007, -33/+14Lou Dobbs is a renown racist and xenophobe. Bury hatred.
- neoblaque, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10You are a moron and an imbecile, nice work doing both at the same time. BTW, nobody is believing the illegal immigrants rant about racism anyway, so put away that old dog and get a real argument. Oh, I forgot, there isn't one, because they are criminals.
- sj200, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Oh *****!
He is married to a Mexican woman, so how can he be a racist. Sounds like you don't WTF you are talking about. - mtekk, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Personal attacks are not valid arguments for discrediting a person's argument.
BTW: race has nothing to do with this, grow up. - Kewlduderules, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11Yeah, are you aware his wife is Mexican. Yup, he must be a racist for that.
- faskippy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Oh, just shut up, you idiot. Don't like him? Fine. Point is, he didn't lie. The story is true. You are eat up with the dumbass. Shoot the messenger, eh?
- edstate, on 10/10/2007, -4/+15But... our economy's used to it! It doesn't matter if these people and businesses have cheated for years, breaking the laws for savings they didn't pass on to the consumers... What will happen to our 99¢ value menus! Think of the middle class who will have to clean their own pools!
Oh wait. That's racist.
/ el sarcasm - Calann, on 11/10/2007, -10/+13This is disgusting. I'm a democrat but i hate when they use unfair tactics. It's a shame that there is no viable alternative to voting democrat. Republicans have shown they cannot be trusted control the government, we cannot afford anymore of their blundering disasters.
- cawpin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4GOPA of 1986 was the same thing.
- LANopticx, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2And the dems cry about cheats in the votes!! LOL
- Shawn4168, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You know, there's more than 2 parties out there...
- Calann, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yes, there are more than 2 parties out there, but unfortunately in our current system, there are only 2 viable parties. I used to vote 3rd party until my vote in the 2000 election went to a 3rd party candidate instead of to Al Gore, and we ended up with the son of a Bush in the White House.
- datdamonfoo, on 10/10/2007, -16/+12Let me be the first to say that Illegal Aliens are not people.
- krnldmp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3They're people. They're just not immigrants.
- datdamonfoo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Let me be the first to say that immigrants are more people-like than illegal aliens.
- tehdago, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0you have got to be kidding me.
- krnldmp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3They're people. They're just not immigrants.
- iamorlando, on 10/10/2007, -25/+14While I agree that the U.S. government is corrupt in more ways than one, I fail to see how a humane act such as this is disgusting. Unfair, yes... But disgusting? To let an immigrant die on the hospital steps is disgusting, not this.
Also, you should know that illegal immigrants in the U.S. break the law and enter the U.S. because the law effectively bars them from entering the country legally. To go into the U.S. looking for work is itself a reason for denial of entry, as is poverty or lack of property in one's own country. When your fathers entered this country, they did so looking for a better life. People in need of a better life can no longer hope to enter the U.S. legally, so think about that before you call it disgusting to give them welfare.- sean65, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Don't like it here because you can't make a living? Go home. The US accepts immigrants every year, but you have to get in line and do it lawfully. If an immigrant does not want to follow the rules on the way in, then how can they be expected to follow the rules once they are here?