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Credible Report Proves McCain Is ‘Full Of It’ and Hurts Vets

thinkprogress.org — John McCain refuses to support the highly popular and necessary New GI Bill for veterans and has proposed a very watered down version, which is strongly opposed by VETERANS. This story details why John McCain is wrong on this issue and wrong for VETERANS. This is one thing McCain needs to FLIP-FLOP on for VETERANS and America.

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  • kdawg1012, on 05/11/2008, -16/+72He uses his military record to help get votes and then he ignores his fellow veterans on every issue that is important to them. How a veteran can do that is beyond me (I served a year in-country Vietnam and am a retired Navy Lieutenant).
    • lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -8/+4Care to be more specific? This particular example is a bit misleading, considering Veterans can already get a free ride through college via the GI bill.
      • PhilLesh69, on 05/11/2008, -2/+6Not exactly. Unless they go to a school that charges tuition based on 1950's rates.
      • JoeVet, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3RTFA next time.
    • wwnexc, on 05/11/2008, -5/+3Why is (and was!) nobody talking about Ron Paul?
    • LukasSmith, on 05/11/2008, -9/+6THis is stupid. McCain is a conservative. Though obviously he thinks war is worth the expense. He does believe in keeping other expenses as low as possible. Knowing the liberals they probably wanted to give the vets a 2 story house, a free car, 50 inch plasma, and a lifetime supply of bennigans coupons. Vets get alot already. My uncle is a vet and I can confirm that they get pretty great care. IIn fact I would venture to guess they get about the best benifits of any job in America. So to offer even more I think would be silly. And I think McCain himself a vet collecting benefits knows where the line for benefits should be drawn.
      • bicyclethief, on 05/11/2008, -2/+6I guess all those homeless vets have blown through the wad of cash America's given them...
      • bicyclethief, on 05/11/2008, -1/+5By the way, Jim Webb, the co-sponsor of the non-watered down GI Bill is a highly decorated Vietnam vet himself. So let's not act like John McCain has cornered the market on knowing what's best for the vets.
      • JoeVet, on 05/11/2008, -1/+6As an active duty officer, I can say with complete confidence that you know absolutely nothing about the military or how America treats its veterans. I'm betting your uncle never had to use VA services and was not likely injured in combat. You are the atypical chickenhawk republican speaking of something you know nothing about. Come back when you've left mommy and daddy's house and experience the military yourself.
      • LukasSmith, on 05/11/2008, -2/+3Yes America treats veterans soo bad. Ungrateful dog. Why bother serving for our country if you believe that? I know my Uncle would kick your ass because you have shown here you don't have respect for the country you serve. Thus you deserve none for yourself. The military is a fine place for people to improve their lives. I guess the main point would be to serve your country. But obviously your there just to squeeze what you can out of benefits. Like all your buddies hiding up in Canada who are upset because they just signed up for the bonus and free ride through college not to actually have to fight in a war. I highly doubt your an officer. You have no respect for the USA. Just quit the military buddy. There are illegal aliens who will be more proud to serve then you and far far more worthy of respect. Come back when you grow up into your uniform. Nobody said the best of the best people joined the military. And I believe it. They must really be reaching down into the gutter.
        • bicyclethief, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1Ever heard of the Walter Reed scandal? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic ...

          You sound ignorant as hell.
        • LukasSmith, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2Have you ever heard of the Walter Reed scandal? Yeah it happened and was dealt with. Thats the magic of the word Veteran. You say veterans are suffering Politicians come running like flies. Say 1,000's of people are dying in Burma. Who gives a *****. Hell not everything can be perfect. But a veteran has a better shot of getting our governments attention then anyone else.
          • bicyclethief, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1Nobody's saying the people of Burma don't deserve help either. But just because help to them is inadequate doesn't justify shortchanging the vets. Your logic is a bit screwy there.

            "Not everything is perfect." So because perfection is unattainable, we shouldn't even try to make things better?

            "But a veteran has a better shot of getting our governments attention then anyone else." You seem to begrudge even the attention vets get. But don't they deserve it for the service to their country, and indirectly, to you? Believe me when I say I am not at all the patriotic type. Also I've vehemently disagreed with the military's missions abroad. But even I think the people who serve honorably deserve honorable treatment afterwards.
    • Cyrus042, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1Every issue? I think that's an exaggeration. There have been some issues that McCain has historically been reserved on, particularly psychological disorders for Vets. Ultimately, he has supported them when given the facts.

      Anything in particular besides this bill?
    • paigeinphilly, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1Jim Webb(VA-D) is really trying to push the new bill through, and he has a military record that matches & SURPASSES McSame's! i hope that Obama gets this guy on the ticket!

      Obama/ Webb 08
    • DSPoh, on 05/13/2008, -0/+3I am a Veteran voting for Obama and I know I'm hijacking this comment a bit, but unfortunately I am fairly new on Digg and am having a hard time spreading the word about an important Veteran issue; the New GI Bill. John McCain is the only Presidential candidate who has not signed off on it. That's right, the only Presidential candidate whom is also a Veteran has not signed off on a bill that would tremendously help our troops.

      A vote is finally going to be made on this issue, but it will be extremely close, so Digg, the troops need your help.

      Please Digg: http://tinyurl.com/5h4exx

      The troops really need help! Please help spread the word.This is how you can really support the troops! That, and voting for Obama of course =).
    • DSPoh, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2I am a Veteran voting for Obama and I know I'm hijacking this comment a bit, but unfortunately I am fairly new on Digg and am having a hard time spreading the word about an important Veteran issue; the New GI Bill. John McCain is the only Presidential candidate who has not signed off on it. That's right, the only Presidential candidate whom is also a Veteran has not signed off on a bill that would tremendously help our troops.

      A vote is finally going to be made on this issue, but it will be extremely close, so Digg, the troops need your help.

      Please Digg: http://tinyurl.com/5h4exx

      The troops really need help! Please help spread the word.This is how you can really support the troops! That, and voting for Obama of course =).
  • IdigObama, on 05/11/2008, -16/+17Well he's lost his bearing's,what do you expect?
    He's lost his bearing's a looooooong time ago.
    • PabloMac, on 05/11/2008, -1/+6Bearing's? Can a bearing possess something?
    • sassip, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1His bearings are malfunctioning in today's world because he comes from a long family-tradition of military service. (Read on, I was in the Vietnam draft) In past wars, excepting Vietnam, it was necessary. What scares me about McCain is that he thinks that being at war is a natural state of affairs. It is not the last line, with him and his mind-set, it is the first... If the draft were reinstated many, many more would think twice about sending darlings, Missy and Tad More.
  • CptAmerica, on 05/11/2008, -40/+15Credible? Looks like just another left wing site trying to promote Obama and Clinton.
    • swrostmore, on 05/11/2008, -6/+27The Congressional Budget Office is a left wing site trying to promote Obama and Clinton? Who knew..
    • lhbaker, on 05/11/2008, -2/+13They only read the descriptions.
    • SaperKain, on 05/11/2008, -3/+9
      Why do you hate veterans? They were fighting for this country. People like you disgust me.
      • taradisiac, on 05/11/2008, -9/+0They were doing their job, big ***** deal
    • Tenlow, on 05/11/2008, -4/+5Reality has a liberal bias.
  • saxreturns, on 05/11/2008, -5/+29Sorry, which group of people does this affect again? The description was rather ambiguous.
    • Charlesbian, on 05/11/2008, -2/+8seriously, an intelligent article doesn't need caps to get its message to intelligent people. (the description at least)
      • Gorgamel, on 05/11/2008, -3/+2Ah, thats where your logic strays. Thinkprogress.org != intelligent article
  • unpolloloco, on 05/11/2008, -14/+21How does this affect veterans??? Also, I automatically distrust any article I see on Digg with the word "credible" in its title.
    • mark076h, on 05/11/2008, -1/+12because the GI bill now does not cover the full cost of college
    • Gorgamel, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2And coming from a website called thinkprogress.org
  • orangefly, on 05/11/2008, -8/+20come on....lets give the republicans one more chance....what could happen....???....
    • zeusthemoose, on 05/11/2008, -4/+8Fulfilling their false prophecy?
    • PhilLesh69, on 05/11/2008, -2/+12According to Fox News, we will either achieve utopia through more wars, or we will enjoy the full glory of the rapture through more wars.

      Either way, as long as we have more wars, we'll be alright.
      • sassip, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2Sad, but true...
      • brycelb, on 05/11/2008, -2/+2Um.. when did they say this? My guess is never. More likely you have been listening to your buddies here on digg and have fabricated this grand delusion.
        • zeusthemoose, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2Oh really, then why are republicans (including fox news) so gun ho about the war in Iraq and possibly invading Iran?
    • TheRealToma, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3GAME OVER.
      Insert Coin.
  • kelly, on 05/11/2008, -25/+11At least McCain knows that we have 50 states in this country unlike another presidential candidate I know.
    http://digg.com/politics/Obama_Thinks_there_are_Ov ...
    • kelly, on 05/11/2008, -13/+3try this link instead
      http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0508/ ...
      • Magillicutti, on 05/11/2008, -4/+3So he meant to say 47. If he's not going to Alaska and Hawaii as he said, and he has one left to go, well.. I suppose you McCain supporters can compute simple mathematics.. but just in case, that would make 47.

        Also, don't act like McCain has never misspoke, do you not remember when he called himself a liberal?

        And speaking of John McCain and numbers and what not.. how about the number of years he wants to keep spending your money to benefit war profiteers?

        BTW, I'll cast a vote for Obama over McCain, but I in no way support him.
    • SaperKain, on 05/11/2008, -3/+7That was weak. You republican ***** need better arguments than that.
  • kolinkoolface2, on 05/11/2008, -21/+16hhahahahaha wait wait:
    "credible report says john mccain is full of it?"
    hahaha what the ***** is that suppose to mean?
    -The mans jaw is broken for a reason not to mention his son is in iraq.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/us/politics/06mc ...
    • kelly, on 05/11/2008, -6/+3.
      • PhilLesh69, on 05/11/2008, -6/+3Well said. A neocon that keeps his mouth shut is a good neocon.
    • apophenic, on 05/11/2008, -2/+9Neither of those add to his credibility, actually.
      • masterm1nd, on 05/11/2008, -6/+4To you they take away, actually.
        • apophenic, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2That's a pretty nifty assumption, there.
        • masterm1nd, on 05/11/2008, -2/+1Ok I'll take it back but you're wrong, being in the military does give you credibility. Ask UFO sightings and courts of law.
  • apophenic, on 05/11/2008, -3/+15VETERANS
  • Khast, on 05/11/2008, -8/+10Credible? I don't know about anyone else, but I have lost faith in the US presidential elections this year. Not a single candidate is going to make any serious changes. Oh yeah, it's either universal health care, or keep the war going for eternity. Yay. All of the candidates have either been caught lying, flip flopping, or saying things they shouldn't have.

    I don't know what the democratic party was thinking....wow people are tired of the republicans, so we will put our eggs in the basket with Hillary and Obama. (Either one would be a first in the oval office.)
    • JoeVet, on 05/11/2008, -1/+3How can anyone have a problem with providing health care to all Americans? Isn't that an honorable goal?
      • Khast, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2Health care would be great for the American people, but the plans that Hillary and Obama have come up with are, just as, if not more expensive than we have already.

        We should look at how other countries are doing it. France, for example... regarded as having the best nationalized health care, and dollar for dollar, costs the French people 1/4 what it costs Americans.

        First off, all other countries do not allow non-citizens to partake of the "free" healthcare. Those patients are charged as normal. Most health plans of other countries work in other countries. Canadians can come to the US for treatment, and it is covered by Health Canada.

        As I said, it isn't the Healthcare that I am complaining about, it is how they propose to do it.

        (As I side note, I am more impressed with Canadian Car insurance, it may be more expensive, but dollar for dollar, they receive 10x more coverage. None of the insurance companies can screw you, because there is only ONE insurance company, and often times both vehicles are repaired. And the part I am most impressed with, it is completely visible, you buy 3 months of insurance, you get tabs for your license plate. $1200-$1500/ year gets you $2million worth of coverage in Canada. Whereas $500-900/yr in the US gets you maybe $50,000.)
  • lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -14/+22You have to be pretty gullible to believe that a man who spent 5 years in a Vietnamese prison camp doesn't care about Veterans.
    • MadKennyP, on 05/11/2008, -5/+10But you'd be right.
      • xchino, on 05/11/2008, -7/+4you confuse right with stupid.
        • JoeVet, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2You confuse veterans with a career politician. You have no right to talk about stupid.
        • mizlane, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1Just maybe......... McCain needs a psychological evaluation?.....
    • sobay72, on 05/11/2008, -3/+6I can see your point, but the almighty dollar has a way of distorting your moral compass a little bit. I'm an active duty soldier and my buddy's and I are not on his band wagon.
      • lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -5/+5Well sure, but the author of this article is suggesting that he doesn't care about Veterans because he opposed increasing their educational funding. This is a bit misleading, considering Veterans can already get a free ride through college under the GI bill.
        • PhilLesh69, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2Um, no, they cannot. The GI Bill was originally designed to give that "free ride", but considering that tuition has increased enormously in the subsequent years since the GI bill was last updated, it no longer provides a "free ride". At best, it provides a modest subsidy towards the total cost of a college education.

          Consider that even at a state school, paying in-state tuition, 4 years could cost at least $40,000.

          The GI Bill provides a flat sum of $9,600 a year. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/artic ...

          The University of Virginia's in state tuition is $11,193 for 2 semesters. That means a soldier who was told by his recruiter that "college is taken care of" will have to shell out $1593 a year, on top of his living expenses and the cost of books, labs and other materials, to get his "free ride".

          • lead2thehead, on 05/12/2008, -1/+0Well yes... I will concede that if you go to the most expensive school in VA, it is not technically a free ride, as only 90 PERCENT of your tuition is paid.
        • Acewrap, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2Oh, so now benefits soldiers earn are a "free ride?" You disgust me.
        • JoeVet, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2Another chickenhawk talking like he knows something about being a soldier.
    • SaperKain, on 05/11/2008, -4/+6
      Yeah. Republicans banking on that people are too stupid to find that out. John McCain hates our troops. Everybody who pays attention knows it.
      • lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -6/+3So what exactly are you basing that on?
        • SaperKain, on 05/11/2008, -2/+5Come on. You are just a troll. Remeber? You guys don't care about facts.
        • lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -5/+2No, I'm quite serious actually. Because if I had to guess, I'd say you were basing that solely on the fact that he's a Republican and you don't like Republicans. That sort of thing is very common on Digg. So if you're going to claim that a former POW does hates our troops, you had damn well better be able to back it up with something better than.... "uhhh... because you're a troll".
        • mizlane, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1Does MCCAIN even know or care where the troops are...
    • logicet, on 05/11/2008, -3/+2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFM1xqqTX_g

      http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/
    • Wartyboskfapped, on 05/11/2008, -2/+8Well then, why, when we look at McCain's actual voting record and legislative activity, does a marked disregard for the needs of veterans seem like a running thread throughout? Where is the evidence that McCain has regard for veterans? Actions speak louder than words.
      • lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -6/+2References or it didn't happen.
        • Wartyboskfapped, on 05/11/2008, -1/+6I think there's a character limit to these comment boxes, so I couldn't really list all the cites for McCain's inaction or mendacity on these issues. Meanwhile, you're in the same position, seeing as you're just making a bare-ass claim of your own that since he was a POW that he would be compassionate to other veterans. It's quite possible that he's not, his own experience doesn't automatically make him on their side, he could equally be incredibly resentful. The human mind is complex, who is to say what he came out like after that ordeal. In addition, guy is from a military mucky-muck family, elite and privileged. How is a guy like that able to empathize with the average joe?
        • lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -4/+1Oh yes, there are soooo many. Do you think you could manage to fit ONE reference in the comment box? Maybe two? Because right now you have exactly zero references, which means your claim is completely baseless. Sure, he _could_ hate veterans. But only a bigot would automatically assume that with no evidence.

          And I think that spending 5 years as a POW makes him able to empathize with the average veteran. Call me crazy.
      • knumbknuts, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2Specifics?
    • PhilLesh69, on 05/11/2008, -2/+12That is way too simplistic logic, to conclude that because he was a POW, that he would always stand up for veterans, even when it is not politically expedient for him.

      He was a POW 40 years ago. For the last 28 years, he has been a politician. Besides, he was read the riot act by the neocons after he stood up against them about the war in Iraq. Now, he will do what they say if he wants to continue with his political career.

      Your logic is silly. To say that a former POW is intrinsically and magically aligned with veterans' interests once he becomes a senator is like saying that a former line worker in a factory will always care about line workers once he moves up into a management position.
      • lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -3/+1I would say that the former line worker would be much more understanding than the entitled college kid who went straight to the management job, having never worked a day in his life.
    • JoeVet, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2You have to be even more gullible to believe a politician does care about veterans. McCain has shown that he no longer cares about veterans as much as he does about continuing Bush's crusades in the middle east.
      • lead2thehead, on 05/12/2008, -1/+1For the hundredth time, HOW has he shown that? Give me just ONE example.
        • mizlane, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1yada! yada yada HEY ARE YOU BRAIN DEAD OR WHAT!! DID YOU EVEN READ ARTICLE? I am a grandmother from WV & I get the drift!? John McCain is the only Presidential candidate who has not signed off on it. That's right, the only Presidential candidate whom is also a Veteran has not signed off on a bill that would help our troops. WHY DON'T YOU ENLIST & SERVE OUR COUNTRY, THEN you can find out for yourself firsthand EXACTLY what our troops go thru 24-7 then apply for benefits, if you survive!
  • patpl22391, on 05/11/2008, -7/+19So, let me get this straight, John McCain is supporting one Bill that just spends less than the more popular Bill here. Republicans are in trouble because they have become irresponsible with our money. The truth is we need to cut spending in all sectors, and stop giving into these groups that claim that we are destroying certain jobs or certain people if we don't spend as much money as we possibly can. Who can tell me which presidential candidate has brought home $0 in pork? Answer: Not Obama and certainly not Clinton!
    • SaperKain, on 05/11/2008, -5/+7Certainly not McCain.
      • Cyrus042, on 05/11/2008, -0/+5While McCain has supported projects in his home state, he hasn't done so through the pork process. He hasn't added his own projects on to pork bills like just about every other person in senate.
      • userperson, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1Nope, but not Clinton or Obama either.
    • Wartyboskfapped, on 05/11/2008, -4/+8Keating Five.
      • PhilLesh69, on 05/11/2008, -3/+6Yep. McCain is good friends with Charles Keating.

        But, fortunately, most Americans don't have the capacity to remember the S&L crisis of the 80's, so McCain gets a pass on that one.
      • Cyrus042, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2He gets a pass because he was hardly involved at all. Bob Bennett who served as a special investigator during that time and was investigating McCain came to the conclusion that McCain had done nothing wrong at all. McCain ultimately only received a reprimand for the issue and was not charged with anything. Plus, if we're going to be partisan, as this issue has clearly become, the other 4 senators were Democrats. Bob Bennett himself is a Democrat, and represented Bill Clinton as well.

        Bob Bennett now defends McCain against accusations of corruption regarding the Keating Five. What does that say about McCain if the person investigating him now represents him?

        Those are the facts. Also, let me add. Trying to bring down McCain, particularly in an illegitimate fashion, does nothing for Obama. This is a tired method both in argument and politics. It doesn't make Obama a better person and it is something that Obama is trying to avoid in his campaign.
    • pintomp3, on 05/11/2008, -3/+8it's hard to cut spending if you want to keep the biggest pork project running, the iraq war. somehow he doesn't mind handing over billions of tax payer dollars to the military industrial complex and war profiteers, but helping veterans get an education is too much.
    • rexblade, on 05/11/2008, -5/+2Ron Paul.
    • JoeVet, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2How can anyone complain about a few dollars spent on veterans when we are hemorrhaging billions on the crusades in the middle east?
    • Cyrus042, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1I haven't followed the issue much at all, mostly because it doesn't get much coverage, however I do know some things about it. Mostly the issue revolves around the distinction between individuals who are career military individuals and those who join up for 2 or 4 years. From what I know about the alternative GI Bill is that many Republicans want to extend greater benefits to those who make a career out of the military service as opposed to 2 years in the military.

      From my personal perspective, in peace time, I think it wouldn't be prudent to give an individual serving 2-4 year in the military a lifetime of benefits. However, I think that any individual who serves and is deployed in any major military conflict is entitled to the best of the state.
  • anselm83, on 05/11/2008, -2/+7No seriously, VETERANS.
  • shiftclick, on 05/11/2008, -10/+13Ouch, I stubbed my toe on the SPAM. Huff, thinkprog, etc. They're as bad as Russian spam dealers!
  • kelly, on 05/11/2008, -16/+11Obama Thinks there are Over 57 States in the US
    http://digg.com/politics/Obama_Thinks_there_are_Ov ...
    • Magillicutti, on 05/11/2008, -4/+2So he meant to say 47. If he's not going to Alaska and Hawaii as he said, and he has one left to go, well.. I suppose you McCain supporters can compute simple mathematics.. but just in case, that would make 47.

      Also, don't act like McCain has never misspoke, do you not remember when he called himself a liberal?

      And speaking of John McCain and numbers and what not.. how about the number of years he wants to keep spending your money to benefit war profiteers?

      BTW, I'll cast a vote for Obama over McCain, but I in no way support him.
      • kelly, on 05/11/2008, -4/+3Believe me, I'm no McCain supporter but I believe he is the lesser of all 3 evils..

        If Ron Paul didn't adhere to his policy of not aiding Israel, I would regard him and his policies 100% solid and he would be the premiere ideal candidate in every way.
        • Magillicutti, on 05/11/2008, -2/+2You can't just say he's the lesser of three evils and not explain why. He's not fiscally conservative in any way shape or form. He's socially conservative and fiscally liberal. He's a god damn statist, neocon, and a war mongerer. If I'm going to be tax and spent to death, I'd rather know that money is being spent on issues here rather than fighting more pointless wars. If only McCain had kept his word about committing suicide if the Dems took the Senate. To think, we wouldn't have to have this conversation

          And yea, okay, so you love all of Ron Paul fiscal conservative and Constitutionalist views except for his views on Israel?
          Before I thought you were just a troll and a bigot. Now I'm convinced your full on 100% ***** retarded.
        • PhilLesh69, on 05/11/2008, -1/+3That is sad that you would judge an American presidential candidate on his support for Israel.

          That is unamerican. Don't confuse your religion for a national interest. Jews and Zionism are not one in the same thing.

          I'm a catholic, and I could imagine you would not like it if catholics supported a foreign policy that favored the Vatican in its oppression of Italians (hypothetically speaking). Especially if the Vatican's oppression of Italians was causing turmoil and hatred towards the United States.
    • SaperKain, on 05/11/2008, -4/+4Kelly is a republican. Yes I meant that as a insult.
      • kelly, on 05/11/2008, -4/+2The fact that the insult is coming from a mere liberal, makes it that much less painful
      • PhilLesh69, on 05/11/2008, -3/+5Don't consider all republicans to be narrow minded, hateful and war mongering zionists. We rational republicans call them neocons, and we do not like that they have hijacked the Republican party.
        • Magillicutti, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1But don't worry either, something big's going on ;)
    • omnithought, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1...and?
  • jagermeistr, on 05/11/2008, -10/+9Let the swiftboating begin
    • logicet, on 05/11/2008, -0/+4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFM1xqqTX_g

      http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/
    • SaperKain, on 05/11/2008, -1/+3Yes, it was funny when they did it to Kerry. So funny. Still laughing about it. It is so funny I want to cry.
    • PhilLesh69, on 05/11/2008, -1/+4The same group will be playing ads at some point where they claim McCain was called "songbird" by fellow POWs, because he was willing to tell his captors anything they wanted to know about military planning, strategy, etc. and that his tales of being tortured are false, that he was given special treatment because his father was commander of the Pacific Fleet.

      I'm not saying it is true, I'm just saying this will be a swiftboat veterans for truth ad campaign attacking him.
      • Cyrus042, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1And no one will believe them because unlike Kerry, McCain's military history if very well documented. McCain has plenty of fellow POWs at Hanoi who represent him. In addition, if I remember correctly, these veterans (against McCain) weren't even captors at Hanoi, they were simply involved in Vietnam through some means.
  • TrentDeux, on 05/11/2008, -2/+8Love the title. Yes it sounds very credible...
  • davideparker, on 05/11/2008, -2/+6Buried for SOME REASON
  • chambana, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1Webb needs to be VP.
  • alx1507, on 05/11/2008, -6/+6The only credible political websites on digg are :
    - huffingtonpost.com
    - thinkprogress.org
    - rawstory.com

    and yes I'm an Obama supporter, this stuff just gets old sometimes. However, this bill should be supported by McCain, but he is busy pushing his own bill (which is a very much watered down version of this bill.) I believe he is trying to get points with the fiscal conservatives with a bill that costs less.
    • boonesfarm, on 05/11/2008, -2/+6You're are f#cked beyond words if you think those are "the only credible political websites"
      • brycelb, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1I think this person is ***** beyond word if they they actually think any of those sites are "credible political websites" let alone the only ones.
  • johnnyfistfight, on 05/11/2008, -13/+13Obama Thinks there are Over 57 States in the US. Watch how Obama's bitches bury this.
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0508/ ...
    • Magillicutti, on 05/11/2008, -2/+8So he meant to say 47. If he's not going to Alaska and Hawaii as he said, and he has one left to go, well.. I suppose you McCain supporters can compute simple mathematics.. but just in case, that would make 47.

      Also, don't act like McCain has never misspoke, do you not remember when he called himself a liberal?

      And speaking of John McCain and numbers and what not.. how about the number of years he wants to keep spending your money to benefit war profiteers?

      BTW, I'll cast a vote for Obama over McCain, but I in no way support him.
      • kelly, on 05/11/2008, -7/+4I don't see how a capable presidential nominee could possibly make a mistake this bad though.
        • Magillicutti, on 05/11/2008, -0/+7Are you kidding me? A "mistake this bad" is saying 57 instead of 47. That's what you sticks out when you think about stupid things presidential nominees have done?
        • eir574, on 05/11/2008, -0/+6Yeah, I know. It's way worse than confusing Sunni and Shia and saying that Iran is training members of al Qaeda. /sarcasm.
        • omnithought, on 05/11/2008, -0/+6Yeah, what a horrible mistake. He's so unelectable now.Saying a wrong number is so much worse than false sniper stories and ***** up war policies.
          Shut up.
      • Cyrus042, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3Honest slip-up because of all the traveling and speaking. Campaigning is incredibly difficult and candidates get little rest. However, let's be fair. This is the same case for McCain. These slip ups are not because of dementia but because when you get a few hours of sleep, and spend every day in a new state, or in McCain's case with the Shia/Sunni comments, in a new country, you tend to make mistakes.
    • Typhoon2009, on 05/11/2008, -2/+6Of all the things to bitch about, pick something a bit better. I'm not being an "Obama bitch" but come on, at least use something a bit more substantive than a slip-up in his speech. Let's see ya think completely 110% straight after touring around the country giving speeches for months.
      • kelly, on 05/11/2008, -4/+1Ya, the REAL issue here is that soldiers from all 49 states need to come home dammit!
    • HotSaucePanCake, on 05/11/2008, -5/+2Hahaha i like how he paused to think about the # 57... poor campaigning bastards probably get 4 hours of sleep a night. I wonder if he meant territories + states... but that doesn't make any sense since they can't vote. Or at least puerto rico can't
    • rexblade, on 05/11/2008, -1/+4Wait a sec.. McCain has supporters? Now thats news! Hard to believe news even.
    • JoeVet, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1Wow! You got him on a slip of the tongue. Great! That's just amazing video! He's sure to be sunk now! All we need now is some video of Obama mispronouncing nuclear and the GOP will be in the White house again. /s
  • iamnotrich, on 05/11/2008, -3/+9I guess hillary is not digg's #1 enemy anymore. poor McCain
    • kelly, on 05/11/2008, -5/+7Too bad they have to make mountains out of mole hills to do it.
    • HotSaucePanCake, on 05/11/2008, -2/+3I think you will find there is plenty of support for McCain, even on Digg...
      • brycelb, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3If you ever see a pro McCain article hit the front page you need to take a screen shot because it will be the only one you see. There are too many 13-18 year olds on digg for that to happen. If we are talking about the real world, then yes he has plenty of supporters. Digg is just a demented microcosm.
  • gtluke, on 05/11/2008, -13/+13you are talking about a guy who spent 5.5 years in a tiger cage in hanoi, he COULD have been let out early when they found out his father was an admiral, but he refused to to take the privilege until every soldier who entered before him was set free also.
    don't mess with mccain's honerability, he's got it in droves.
    • INTERNETMASTER, on 05/11/2008, -1/+13so he can never do anything wrong ever now because of what happened in the past? that kind of blind hero worship will just get us 4 more years of failed bush policies.
      • userperson, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1Blind hero worship like this is what the other side is using as well. Politicians are 10ft tall geniuses who know how to run our lives and use our money better than we do.
    • taradisiac, on 05/11/2008, -2/+0I'm gonna cry man!
    • Wartyboskfapped, on 05/11/2008, -2/+10Talk to the guys who were in the Hanoi Hilton with McCain and get back to us. They hated his guts.
    • PhilLesh69, on 05/11/2008, -1/+10Do you really believe that story? I know, it sounds really noble, to refuse to be released, and all that.

      But come on, use your brain a bit here and think it through. Do you really think that the North Vietnamese are going to say "okay, if you don't want to be released, we will bow to your wishes, and allow you to stay". Seriously. If the North Vietnamese wished to release him, they wouldn't take his opinion into account, they would just stick him on a commercial flight to Paris or some other country, and would be done with him.

      I can think of no situation where a jailor has ever asked a prisoner if he wished to be released or would rather remain in prison. And even if some prisoner somewhere said "Nah, I'd rather stay here", I doubt the jailor would say "okay, even though it is in our best interest to release you, because you want to stay, we won't let you go."

      • Cyrus042, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1That's interesting. Any proof of your own interpretation? There are several survivors of Hanoi, in particular, Bud Day who can vouch for what happened there. (Some trivia : Bud Day also had his bones broken and re-casted in the wrong position, but McCain re-set Day's bones while in prison, and recasted it so it would heal correctly) You're right, they didn't just say "Okay", they tortured him some more and put him in solitary confinement where he attempted to kill himself.

        The North Vietnamese had to appear gracious. Releasing a POW against his will, who would not submit to the likely press release along with his release does not score any political points. If you don't, they punish you, which is exactly what happened. They hadn't broken McCain's will just yet.

        There are plenty of witnessed what happened in Hanoi. Reinterpreting history because of a likely political agenda does not give your own story any merit. The fact of the matter is that McCain was / is an honorable man, who stood by his brothers in arms. He was broken in body and spirit, and tried to kill himself on numerous accounts. Also, for the record, McCain did ultimately "break". He eventually participated with his captors and publicly admitted that he was a criminal (or something to that degree).
    • mikelist, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3i'm pretty sure he was worth more to the vietnamese as a captive, especially since his dad was an admiral.
      so you are telling me he deliberately resisted early release? or are you claiming that the 'admiral's kid' option wasn't pursued?
    • JoeVet, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2He had it in droves. He's a typical politician now and politicians spare no expense on war but pinch pennies on those who fight their wars.
  • INTERNETMASTER, on 05/11/2008, -2/+7LOL hillary is not even on the radar screen anymore. everyone has moved on to the obama vs. mccain battle.
  • taradisiac, on 05/11/2008, -2/+11Not supporting a bill doesn't mean you hate the people it would benefit. Maybe he has a good reason not to do so?
    • iamnotrich, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2you ruined the fun by putting some logical or Common sense
    • WoollyMittens, on 05/11/2008, -0/+4So, I can screw you over royally, but still claim to care for you?
      • PhilLesh69, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1Why not? Politicians do it every day, and these apologists take all the abuse and get mad at anyone who dares point out how much they are being screwed.
    • PhilLesh69, on 05/11/2008, -0/+5It doesn't serve the interests of his political career, because he knows who butters his bread (and it aint veterans or voters)
    • omnithought, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1Look at his record regarding bills that would help veterans. It's not just because of this. He's been ***** them over for a long time now.
  • knumbknuts, on 05/11/2008, -1/+6Careful, this is perilously close to a policy debate based on voting records. Digg might asplode, a crisis only averted in this case by a shoddy bit o' journalism ("full of it?") being linked to.

    What's Obama's position?
  • boonesfarm, on 05/11/2008, -4/+2The CBO report didn't supply the "full of it" remark. That was courtesy of a Democratic Senator. Engaging in partisan politics only "proves" that someone cared to report on his ***** little opinion. Par for the course for *****.
  • DigitAl56K, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2McCain reminds me of Godfrey from Dads Army.

    If you have never seen it I recommend Google'ing it, or searching for it on YouTube. You will soon see the resemblance.
  • WoollyMittens, on 05/11/2008, -0/+7Since veterans don't have a purpose for the military industrial complex, I see very little hope they will receive their due respect from those in power.
  • HotSaucePanCake, on 05/11/2008, -7/+4I'm going to say he opposes it simply because he knows there is a better way to fix problems than to just throw money at it or form some sort of new organization.

    McCain understands the military more than any one us ever could.
    • rexblade, on 05/11/2008, -0/+8Is that why he said the soldiers are saying "let us win"? When what they really are saying is "let us come home."
    • PhilLesh69, on 05/11/2008, -0/+7So, it is just throwing money at it? Giving every war veteran a fully paid college education is just throwing money?

      It seemed to do wonders not only for the WWII veterans, but for the country as a whole back in the late 40's and early 50's.
  • mal1964, on 05/11/2008, -6/+3"thinkprogress.org" Get use to it.
  • rexblade, on 05/11/2008, -0/+5This could just as well be from a conservative source. Many conservatives hate McCain too.
    • PhilLesh69, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2Hell yes. Well, true conservatives, at least.

      Many republicans hate neocons. I know I do.
  • HappyScrappy, on 05/11/2008, -2/+4Flipper McCain
  • mal1964, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1These stories do work, Look at what happen to Hillary. This time the goal is even higher, 2 votes 1 more than we gained from Hillary."Yes We Can"
  • leubstop, on 05/11/2008, -4/+3If you have to say "credible" in your title, then you believe people will think or know otherwise. Let the words speak for themselves.. buried.
  • masterm1nd, on 05/11/2008, -5/+5"Credible Report Proves McCain Is ‘Full Of It’ and Hurts Vets"

    ***** title proves article is 'full of *****' and hurts truth.
  • MyDiggIsBig, on 05/11/2008, -1/+3and heeeeeere we goooo... now that hillary is basically out of the way they have started on McCain. let the hate begin.
  • JasonCox, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2Can we stop worrying about McCain for now and just concentrate on getting Hillary to drop out and *not* pick up the VP nod?
  • methos75, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2Crap like this is why I cannot stand this election year, Us military members are screwed no matter who we vote for. Mccain is wishy washy about our benefits, and the damn libs love taking away our Benefits, we are still reeling from everything Clinton took from the Military. no matter who wins this year, the Military suffers.
  • amightywind, on 05/11/2008, -4/+4Somehow I thing that a liberal sewer like thingprogress.org will have a HARD TIME painting a man who spent 5 YEARS in a VC POW camp as ANTI-VETERAN.
    • JoeVet, on 05/11/2008, -2/+5Just like the GOP sewer did to Max Cleland or John Kerry? The Republicans even bashed McCain in 2000 suggesting he lacked morals. So before you go bashing the 'liberals' for such behavior, perhaps you should look at yourself and your neo-con idols. If there is a moral sewer here it is with you Republican right wing extremists.
      • amightywind, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2The left is behind most perversions and moral outrages amok in the country - abortion, euthanasia, gay marriage, early parole of violent offenders. The term moral sewer fits.
        • JoeVet, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2The right is behind all moral outrages and most perversions amok in the country - subversion of public school science, public rest room sex, invasion of personal medical decisions between a husband and wife, invasion of personal privacy, religious crusades in the middle east and here at home, illegal wiretaps, torture, forced sexual perversion of prisoners, gross lies about the reasons for Iraq war, lying about the cost of the war, and did I mention TORTURE. The term moral sewer fits.
  • veersite, on 05/11/2008, -2/+1Lol... has to use the word "credible" in title to differentiate this from the majority of Huff-N-Puff / Thinkdumbass "news" stories....

    Laff Riot
  • scotticus, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1Normal human beings should never use the phrase: "...why [Politician] is wrong on this issue and wrong for [Group of people]."

    As much as I may agree, it's a meaningless statement and reduces the political dialog to name calling. And if you need to use all caps to make your point, you're probably a *****.
  • Axias, on 05/11/2008, -0/+4Wow, thats like McCain voting to legalize torture after being tortured, uhm, whoops?
  • Lamadave222, on 05/11/2008, -2/+0thinkprogress....think Communist. And by the way, telling the truth about that ragsite doesn't make me a McCarthyite 'cause I'm not from the leftist wing of the Republican party, I'm from the Trotskyite wing.
  • Chrispyc1211, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2While McCain is still a crazy old bastard, there is some merit to the argument; Maintaining 16% of the troops is different than getting 16% more new ones; it pays to keep your experienced troops for the sake of effectiveness under fire and in training the new ones.
    ...the fact that more-qualified applicants would be brought in, though, essentially negates this.
  • SoyJames, on 05/12/2008, -1/+1Dugg just because it pisses off the paid shill digg right wingers so much.
  • bhod, on 05/12/2008, -1/+1mccain sucks.. GObama baby!
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