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- understudy, on 11/10/2007, -0/+49I refuse to support ATT at all. So, I have no iPhone and I pay about twice as much for internet service, but I'm completely OK with that.
It's a matter of principle. I hope others are doing the same.
_ - inactive, on 11/09/2007, -0/+35So making deals with the NSA is how Ma Bell got her groove back.
- DangerCollie, on 11/10/2007, -1/+27These companies have been dealing with wiretap issues for decades. They knew what they were doing wasn't even marginally legal and shows, beyond a reasonable doubt, that telecom executives would cooperate with any administration trying to undermine the Constitution. Not only do they not deserve immunity, if there was justice in this country we'd stand them all in front of a wall and execute them on prime time news.
- LargeTrout, on 11/09/2007, -0/+19Although this was on Digg yesterday it's still an important story and one that needs to be heard by as many Americans as possible.
- buckrogers1965, on 11/09/2007, -0/+19For all the people that say, "Hey, if all this were some kind of conspiracy, then someone would have come forward." Points at the AT&T technician that actually did the wiring up of the spying.
- wetard57, on 11/09/2007, -0/+18"feels like i was hooking up big brother"
- jggr, on 11/10/2007, -2/+13Agreed. And unfortunately, I don't think that this problem can be solved through normal consumer purchasing power. (Well, unless everyone dropped their communication connection, but that's not really an option in today's world.)
I'm not even sure that this can be solved by voted those responsible out of office.... I think it's actually well beyond that point now. But I hope I'm wrong, 'cause the alternative sure isn't something I want to happen. - growlbear, on 11/09/2007, -0/+11I'm with you! I wouldn't give them a penny! Sony either for the root kit fiasco! I've had it with these big companies acting as if their empires aren't built on the backs of their customers, and that the rules of law and standards of ethics don't apply!
- weebit, on 11/09/2007, -1/+12I switched ISPs I don't even have one of the major ISP's anymore I have a local
- adml_shake, on 11/09/2007, -0/+7Won't be to long before thats not even an option.
- wvdavis, on 11/10/2007, -1/+8Ma Bell is the new AT&T :(
But I really can't say anything against AT&T... they'll cut my service. Crap - Did I say that out loud? - williamdyer, on 11/10/2007, -1/+8If AT&T were driven out of business for being government spying lickspittles, it WOULD tell they others they are next.
Better still, the management of AT&T shoudl be driven out of their jobs, out of their communities, and into poverty. These people are criminals. They must be crushed. - MacintoshSauce, on 11/09/2007, -1/+8I absolutely refuse to get an iPhone while Apple has it tethered to AT&T, and I even sent an e-mail to Steve Jobs to let him know my displeasure. There are certain principles to follow in life and this is one of them.
- bobdoler, on 11/09/2007, -1/+7I guarantee that your "local isp" goes through one of the big guys on the way to the world. They have to get their connection from someone. They are local for a reason, they can't compete with AT&T, XO, LEVEL3, TimeWarner, or the other huge telecoms.
- Tippis, on 11/09/2007, -0/+6As has been pointed out numerous times, both in TFA, here and elsewhere, if the wiretap is installed legally, then the telco *already has* immunity -- the fact that they now seemingly needs to be granted one after the fact means that the wiretaps in question must have been illegal, and that everyone involved knew this from the get go.
- bratpack8, on 11/10/2007, -0/+6Email Apple and tell them you don't plan to buy an iPhone because of AT&T's illegal deal with the NSA. I did.
- bowens44, on 11/09/2007, -0/+5No, it doesn't. I am always amazed how so many are so willing to give up their basic freedoms if big government promises to protect them from the big bad terrorists. Bush has your number. He keeps you frightened and you offer up the bill of rights on a silver platter.
So much for 'Give me liberty or give me death'. If everyone had been like you in 1776 , we'd still be kneeling down to the queen and having tea and crumpets. - williamdyer, on 11/09/2007, -1/+5Our president is a criminal. NOBODY should respect his word.
- damienhunter, on 11/10/2007, -0/+4For some reason it doesn't surprise me that the US Government may be monitoring all domestic and international internet traffic. I'm sure they probably monitor all domestic and international phone traffic too.
I'm only glad that someone who has, position, evidence and information has decided to give us more transparency into the delusional paranoia which is our current government. What Mark Klein has done in true patriotism.
I for one would live a more dangerous life if the trade-off were to live it freely.
God bless America (the values and the People, not the State). - Sprung, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3Right the ***** on. I'd be willing to contribute *quite* a bit to a fund to expatriate morons like this to some banana republic where they can lick all the jackboot they want.
- JasonCox, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3"I refuse to support ATT at all. So, I have no iPhone and I pay about twice as much for internet service, but I'm completely OK with that."
I dont know where you live but in my area AT&T has one of the worst broadband rates out of all the telcos and cable companies. - realunderdog, on 11/12/2007, -7/+10False logic.
The NSA has the exact same operation at every major telephone company including YOURS.
The retired technician who is speaking out just happened to work for ATT. It could have just as easily be sprint, Verizon, ETC.
"It's a matter of principle. I hope others are doing the same."
You are doing nothing. - wvdavis, on 11/09/2007, -1/+4Who do you think runs the "backbones" that your local ISP connects to?
- Randinn, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3They don't, if they want it they buy it by lobbying, money to campaign funds and offering job to relatives of the government officials...
- GothAlice, on 11/09/2007, -1/+4Buy the iPhone directly from Apple and unlock it for use with another provider. AT&T will see $0.
- Slungsolow, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3This is at least different than yesterday's content. We actually get to hear the words instead of reading the same article from the WashPost. I'm with you on it's importance though.
I've corresponded with both of my Senators over my objections to telecomm immunity (Sens Warner & Webb). Warner didn't seem to understand my concern (his reply was nothing but a rehash of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and the Protect America Act), but Webb (or at least his staffer) seemed to at least understand my concerns over violations of my civil rights and vowed to support a reformed FISA that brings "accountability to the Administration's surveillance procedures, and [protects] the privacy rights of all Americans."
The moral of this post... contact your representatives NOW and let them know how you feel.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/ ... - tamckissick, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3Please move to a totalitarian controlled country ASAP. You'll be happier and the rest of us will have a better chance of living under the law that our country was defined under. This is not meant as a sarcastic remark. I'm deadly serious. I do not want you or anyone with your attitude anywhere near me, my family or my friends.
Let me know if you can't afford the move because I'm sure I can raise the funds in a heartbeat! - uptown, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2"If they don't have immunity, they'll be pardoned."
The data that travelled through the room included both voice & data traffic .... so yes, they're already doing it. - Slungsolow, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2I've said this earlier in a nested comment... but it's worth it to say again:
Contact your congressional representation NOW. It's the only way they'll be able to hear your outrage.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/ ...
http://www.house.gov/house/MemStateSearch.shtml - realunderdog, on 11/10/2007, -0/+2"Better still, the management of AT&T shoudl be driven out of their jobs"
I agree, I was pointing out that ATT is not unique when it comes to black ops. - BlacklabelSAR, on 11/10/2007, -0/+2But (edit) we're (end edit) marching to Bastille Day
La guillotine will claim her bloody prize
Free the dungeons of the innocent
The king will kneel and let his kingdom rise - VitriolAndAngst, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2I have BellSouth -- which is AT&T.
I can spend $80 more each month to attempt to pretend to have integrity, but I can't have DSL without BellSouth or AT&T. - VitriolAndAngst, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2The Tap allowed the NSA to get a COMPLETE copy of EVERYTHING that went across AT&T's wire.
Beyond just finding out data that could be used to, perhaps make a certain politician vote the correct way,.. you could imagine how nice a package this data would be for friendly businesses. Say you wanted to start a fascist government, and you had a few companies that supported you. Well, those that supported you could know about patents, business deals, emailed passwords -- just about everything digital that a company has transferred.
Just imagine if you had access to all of the digital information of anyone -- you could own them. The least of the issues would be, being able to destroy their credit, or set them up as a patsy. User your imagination.
To Quote George Bush; "Al Qaeda never stops thinking of things that they can do to harm America and neither do we."
Hey, AT&T and the rest of the enablers -- I don't care WHAT this government passes as indemnity. You will always be the enemies of Democracy in my book. Of course, you probably still owe the Republicans for letting you get all those good deals in Chile. - BlacklabelSAR, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2You couldn't be more wrong or more ignorant about the principles that this country was founded on. Maybe something you do makes me feel unsafe, therefore you should be prevented from doing it?
- VitriolAndAngst, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2Figure out which communications company is getting a raw deal from the government -- that will be your clue who didn't "Play ball."
There is no downside as far as AT&T is concerned -- and we as citizens need to change that paradigm quickly. - Slungsolow, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/ ... ... is the actual senate link... it got trimmed because I edited the text... DAMN IT DIGG
- inactive, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2As much as I hate Sprint, I'm cancelling my cell account with AT&T and going with Sprint. ***** AT&T. Granted, Sprint is probably doing it too but hasn't been caught yet.
- BlacklabelSAR, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2Instead of prefacing your comment with "Although in no way does this make it right", why not just preface it with "My comment has no actual value or point"?
- weebit, on 11/14/2007, -0/+1Nope they don't go through the major carriers. They own their own blocks. :)
- BlacklabelSAR, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1From a sociological perspective, I can't believe that the complicit AT&T CEO's have not been executed yet.
- bratpack8, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1I sent an email to Apple as well.
- bonmot5, on 04/08/2009, -1/+2'Those who are willing to give up a little freedom to get a little security shall soon have neither." Benjamin Franklin
You sir are an Imbecile. - inactive, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Yeah but isn't some functionality crippled on it if you do it this way?
- weebit, on 11/14/2007, -0/+1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There it is! ^^ Ha ha! - realunderdog, on 11/10/2007, -0/+1I concur with understudy in part.
I was just pointing out that ATT is not unique.
The real solution is voting out the scum & calling for Bush & Vader's impeachment. - bonmot5, on 04/08/2009, -0/+1I was told to call the Senate Judiciary Committee last week, I called all the members, yet today when looking at their web page I haven't been able to find out how the vote went. Is it over or what?
- uptown, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1If they don't have immunity, they'll be pardoned.
- notque, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Another principal is not wasting your money on another gadget you don't need.
- ronaldst, on 11/10/2007, -2/+2Keep voting for big governments people!
- VitriolAndAngst, on 11/09/2007, -1/+1Yes, these are all 10-year-olds, these Billion $ organizations with thousands of lawyers -- we can understand that they don't know the law.
You and me, however, would be buried UNDER the prison if we tried something like this without CorpGov approval.
I think we can all claim ignorance of the law, and do things at least once. -
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